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kpete

(71,985 posts)
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 09:57 AM Dec 2014

Obama is Finally Free


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“Obama’s turnaround in recent weeks – he’s seized the offensive with a series of controversial executive actions and challenges to leaders in his own party on the budget — can be attributed to a fundamental change in his political mindset, according to current and former aides. He’s gone from thinking of himself as a sitting (lame) duck, they tell me, to a president diving headlong into what amounts to a final campaign – this one to preserve his legacy, add policy points to the scoreboard, and – last but definitely not least – to inflict the same kind of punishment on his newly empowered Republican enemies, who delighted in tormenting him when he was on top.”


http://politicalwire.com/2014/12/20/obama-is-finally-free/
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Obama is Finally Free (Original Post) kpete Dec 2014 OP
He's doing very well so far. nt BootinUp Dec 2014 #1
I just don't get why he waited so long woolldog Dec 2014 #2
Perhaps he already planned out what he can do and when BootinUp Dec 2014 #3
I have a pretty good idea why DFW Dec 2014 #25
Spot on DFW Applan Dec 2014 #27
I've had the privilege of spending some time with him DFW Dec 2014 #33
That's the impression I've had. WhiteAndNerdy Dec 2014 #47
don't forget certainot Dec 2014 #38
That, too, of course DFW Dec 2014 #39
i think of it as the lie turd pie under fox's visual icing certainot Dec 2014 #42
Sounds like an excellent analysis, DFW. Hekate Dec 2014 #46
Thanks, Hekate, and all the best to you and yours as well! DFW Dec 2014 #48
Making and sharing live music is one of my favorite things. Lucky you! Hekate Dec 2014 #49
Been doing it forever DFW Dec 2014 #50
Well said. DCBob Dec 2014 #52
Only President in history who has never had a budget passed. joshcryer Dec 2014 #56
!!! BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2014 #58
+1 uponit7771 Dec 2014 #59
In addition, he's a community organizer. cilla4progress Dec 2014 #61
Good analysis. I very much agree! nt MADem Dec 2014 #65
Could be alot of reasons why but I suspect cstanleytech Dec 2014 #54
Torment the bastards Mr. President madokie Dec 2014 #4
"Free" to bury the Torture report and the CRomnibus sellout? Cosmic Kitten Dec 2014 #5
Thats the best out of your 360 posts BootinUp Dec 2014 #6
360! Already? ;~) Cosmic Kitten Dec 2014 #8
I was being sarcastic though BootinUp Dec 2014 #9
Doh! Didn't you sleep well last night? Cosmic Kitten Dec 2014 #11
I not play the game properly? lol. BootinUp Dec 2014 #12
Hey, want to derail this thread.... Cosmic Kitten Dec 2014 #13
10-4! BootinUp Dec 2014 #14
Exactly jalan48 Dec 2014 #7
Reid used the "nuclear option" to pass CRomnibus... Cosmic Kitten Dec 2014 #10
Americans have been sold on the idea jalan48 Dec 2014 #17
I love these false naratives, lets consider another alternate history BootinUp Dec 2014 #20
What's false about it? nt LiberalElite Dec 2014 #21
Whats right about it? BootinUp Dec 2014 #23
So how did things get so screwed up? jalan48 Dec 2014 #22
Money, power, greed, and stupidity. BootinUp Dec 2014 #24
Sounds good! Now let's go after those Wall St. crooks! That's a start. jalan48 Dec 2014 #28
the left ignored rw radio certainot Dec 2014 #40
You have a point. maddiemom Dec 2014 #44
They actually had 60+ votes to end debate on the budget bill, no nuclear option was needed PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #51
don't forget TPP. Free to sell out sovereignty to United Corporations of the Globe magical thyme Dec 2014 #16
Yup. FiveGoodMen Dec 2014 #63
Whaaaaaaaaa, Darb Dec 2014 #30
seems to be inflicting as much or more pain on dems as on repukes Doctor_J Dec 2014 #41
May be he'll finally get those SS cuts he's been angling for too. Broward Dec 2014 #62
Learn from Clinton edhopper Dec 2014 #15
Ok, now I need to make some popcorn, lol. BootinUp Dec 2014 #19
I wish - OhZone Dec 2014 #26
For a smart guy edhopper Dec 2014 #31
Yep-Obama as the innocent, naive politician seems a bit much jalan48 Dec 2014 #32
I don't recall Clinton "fighting them." joshcryer Dec 2014 #57
There were 2 government shutdowns over budget fights during Clinton's terms. PoliticAverse Dec 2014 #60
I love his attitude. To the Republicans he can say Fuck U. sammy750 Dec 2014 #18
The past SIX years. maddiemom Dec 2014 #45
I do not agree that Obama is seeking to torment back the folks that tormented him for 6 years. Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #29
That's kind of harsh DFW Dec 2014 #35
“Hope” and “Change We Can Believe In” ? SmittynMo Dec 2014 #34
Free with the power of the veto pen, executive orders and the bully pulpit. jwirr Dec 2014 #36
They are about to get the The Wizard Dec 2014 #37
"challenges to leaders in his own party on the budget". Bailing out the corrupt grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #43
Just wait til January!!! 11-dimensional chess finally pays off... blkmusclmachine Dec 2014 #53
Where was the new attack dog Obama.. sendero Dec 2014 #55
Your lack of Pom Poms is showing Deny and Shred Dec 2014 #64
recommended nt arely staircase Dec 2014 #66

DFW

(54,356 posts)
25. I have a pretty good idea why
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 11:22 AM
Dec 2014

Obama is by nature one who likes to operate with and within a consensus. He only acted as he did when he had given up all hope that he would ever get to make one step forward without acting on his own. It just flies in the face of how he wanted to get things done. As a constitutional scholar, taking initiatives with Congress, even if it meant painful compromises, was how he saw our form of government operating. It took an abandonment of all hope of Congress being willing to work with him on ANYTHING for him to get to this point.

It is said that hope dies last, but he wasn't going to wait for the funeral. In this, the Republicans miscalculated. They thought he'd remain inactive until his presidency was over, and they could call him the most ineffective president ever. They ignored his record up to now, which, though flawed, can hardly be called ineffective unless all you watch is Fox "News."

Guess what Republicans all watch? THAT'S why they are so bewildered at all he's up to now. They mistook his hope for unlimited patience and weakness, two traits that are indeed attributed to him, but in error.

DFW

(54,356 posts)
33. I've had the privilege of spending some time with him
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 12:27 PM
Dec 2014

He is cautious and measured (even "conservative," but as defined in English, not as in Foxese), but he is not weak, and has not lost sight of his ideals.

WhiteAndNerdy

(365 posts)
47. That's the impression I've had.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 05:31 AM
Dec 2014

He is not an impulsive person. He seems to deliberate very seriously before taking action. Unfortunately, it's easy for the public to misinterpret that. I tend to be the same way, and my caution and deliberation are sometimes interpreted as laziness or just not caring by the people around me, and that's bad enough in the life of a private citizen, but a president is expected to act swiftly and decisively. There are times when caution is necessary in politics, but it doesn't look good sometimes.

DFW

(54,356 posts)
39. That, too, of course
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 01:11 PM
Dec 2014

I call it it cumulatively "National Hate Radio." It has more of an influence on the public than the Republicans in Congress, I think, but it is a factor to be reckoned with, to be sure.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
42. i think of it as the lie turd pie under fox's visual icing
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 01:38 PM
Dec 2014

i agree with your assessment.

it's his nature to cooperate and compromise. unfortunately the left kept ignoring one of the right's most effective weapons and allowed the 1%'s think taanks to create one loony made-to-order constituency after another. because the left and the administration and the dem party ignored their rw radio buzz machine the MSM and pols were was able to portray that alternate reality as conventional wisdom, as if limbaugh and hannity and spawn had their finger on it as opposed to actually creating it.

if the left ever stops ignoring rw radio as a propaganda tool for the CIA, GOP, COC, and ALEC, the media (inc fox) and republican loon reps and their go-along corporate dems will stop feeling that blowhard wind in their sails.

and obama can really do something with the last 2 years, dems can get a lot more liberal, and win everything in 2016.

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
46. Sounds like an excellent analysis, DFW.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 05:22 AM
Dec 2014

I find it gratifying that my assessment of his character, though from afar, seems to be in accord with yours.

Best of holiday wishes to you,

Hekate

DFW

(54,356 posts)
48. Thanks, Hekate, and all the best to you and yours as well!
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 05:56 AM
Dec 2014

Due to how the calendar is set up this year, my schedule is a mess this week, starting in Germany, going through Belgium and France, back to Germany and ending up in South Carolina. But once I'm in Charleston, I promise not to budge for 6 days, which is sort of a glacial age in my job. A guy I know will be there, and it turns out he is the banjo player in a bluegrass band (how was I to know?), so there will be some Flatt & Scruggs resurrections late into the night in the hotel lobby this year!

DFW

(54,356 posts)
50. Been doing it forever
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 07:23 AM
Dec 2014

Even after I took on this crazy job that Jason Bourne would have turned down due to excessive travel and long hours, I never stopped taking time out to play music. I have had the privilege of playing for presidents (Ford and Clinton) and jamming with fellow guitarist Howard Dean late into the night playing Leo Kottke's 12 string guitar tunes. Only amputation at the wrist could ever take that away from me.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
56. Only President in history who has never had a budget passed.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 09:55 AM
Dec 2014

Think about that one. It's always been continuing resolutions.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
58. !!!
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 11:26 AM
Dec 2014

So well said, DFW!

The pukes also can NOT comprehend because hope, decency, The Good of the many, are not part of their makeup.

They operate solely by the rule of the jungle...might makes right; flatter the strong, use and destroy the weak.

cilla4progress

(24,726 posts)
61. In addition, he's a community organizer.
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 03:20 PM
Dec 2014

I was a community organizer in my 20s, in the VISTA program. How they work is to mobilize communities. They don't do FOR, they do WITH. That is the only way progress is sustainable: motivating the community itself. The proverbial hand up, not hand out.

cstanleytech

(26,283 posts)
54. Could be alot of reasons why but I suspect
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 09:46 AM
Dec 2014

he was being advised to try not to rock the boat to much in order to try and keep the democrats as the majority in atleast the senate but now that isnt a concern anymore he is free to tell the republicans to shove it up their ass.

jalan48

(13,859 posts)
7. Exactly
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:25 AM
Dec 2014

Let's try and keep President Obama in balance. He's a moderate Democrat. He does not share Warren and Sander's view of Wall St. I don't believe anyone elected President can go against the surveillance state. They, along with the big financial interests are the folks really running the country.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
10. Reid used the "nuclear option" to pass CRomnibus...
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:29 AM
Dec 2014

but couldn't do that for Health Care Reform.

And McConnell has threatened he will go full nukes
when he assumes control of the Senate!
Great work, Reid!

jalan48

(13,859 posts)
17. Americans have been sold on the idea
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 11:03 AM
Dec 2014

that centrist Democrats are somehow "liberals". This skews the political spectrum to the right making people like Romney and Bush lll look center of the road as well. Progressives are left with voting for the lesser of two evils, which has been the case since the 70's. McGovern was probably the last true liberal to get the party nomination.

BootinUp

(47,141 posts)
20. I love these false naratives, lets consider another alternate history
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 11:09 AM
Dec 2014

where Democrats made no effort to appeal to voters concerns and we never had a President Clinton or President Obama. So instead we had Bush 1 for 2 terms, then Dole, then Romney. Additionally, we had many less House members and Senators. Sounds rosy.

BootinUp

(47,141 posts)
24. Money, power, greed, and stupidity.
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 11:17 AM
Dec 2014

We have to fight the best way we can, and there will be mistakes along the way.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
16. don't forget TPP. Free to sell out sovereignty to United Corporations of the Globe
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:51 AM
Dec 2014

and the New World Order initiated by Bush I way back when.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
63. Yup.
Fri Dec 26, 2014, 06:55 PM
Dec 2014

If he did everything else perfectly, his support of the TPP would still make him a traitor.

And yes, when you deliberately try to put a democratic government under the control of foreign and international powers, you're a traitor.

If he succeeds, the US will never have the final say in anything it does ever again.

edhopper

(33,570 posts)
15. Learn from Clinton
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:42 AM
Dec 2014

the more he fought them, the less he let them have their way, the more popular he was.

OhZone

(3,212 posts)
26. I wish -
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 11:31 AM
Dec 2014

he had done this from the start - or, at least, when most of us realized the GOP would never cooperate. Oh well.

edhopper

(33,570 posts)
31. For a smart guy
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 11:59 AM
Dec 2014

he was a slow learner.

That and i think he just didn't have the same priorities as progressives did.

sammy750

(165 posts)
18. I love his attitude. To the Republicans he can say Fuck U.
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 11:04 AM
Dec 2014

He can take them on and accomplish a lot the next to years. The GOP most likely won't do much, if the past 4 years are any indication.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
45. The past SIX years.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:22 AM
Dec 2014

The concept of the "loyal opposition" grew obsolete with Carter, evolved into open warfare with Clinton, and became unhinged hatred with Obama. Like any cornered, dying animal, the Republican party has turned mindlessly vicious, caring nothing for the good of those they're elected to represent. The few remaining sane minds among them are turned on at showing the least sign of reason. It will take a longer time to return to reasoned government, if not already too late. I'm pushing seventy and can remember when there were many sane and well-meaning Republicans. I'd like to live long enough to see their return. If not, their very deserved demise as a party.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
29. I do not agree that Obama is seeking to torment back the folks that tormented him for 6 years.
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 11:53 AM
Dec 2014

What torments him is bad policy and not having yet been able to make good policy.

When you sign up with the Pope to free Cuba you have to be the kind of person tormented by the lack of compassion of your tormentors.

DFW

(54,356 posts)
35. That's kind of harsh
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 12:34 PM
Dec 2014

This Pope is not like his predecessors.

Besides, what's better? Coordinating a new track with the Pope or a Bay of Pigs invasion?

The Wizard

(12,541 posts)
37. They are about to get the
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 12:58 PM
Dec 2014

Samuel L. Jackson version of Obama. McConnell and Boner are about to get the vapors.

 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
43. "challenges to leaders in his own party on the budget". Bailing out the corrupt
Sat Dec 20, 2014, 05:18 PM
Dec 2014

bankers BEFORE the crash they are about to cause is hardly freedom.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
55. Where was the new attack dog Obama..
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 09:54 AM
Dec 2014

... when the house attached an indefensible rider for the banksters to the Omnibus budget.

Crickets.

I'll believe Obama can be tough when I see it and I haven't seen it yet.

Deny and Shred

(1,061 posts)
64. Your lack of Pom Poms is showing
Sat Dec 27, 2014, 09:39 PM
Dec 2014

Get it straight, this late-in-the-game-when-it-no-longer-matters tough love for Republicans is supposed to overshadow 6 years of non-attack-dog Obama. Now that previous issues have been settled to the detriment of working Americans, you are supposed to lay back and enjoy his newly-found backbone.

This is a pom pom thread - great prez or greatest prez?

TPP? What's that ???

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