Obama now officially my pick for greatest president of my lifetime (born in 1968)

[arely staircase]

Immigration, Cuba, healthcare (imperfect as it is) LGBT rights put him in first..

Cuba sealed it.

[flamingdem]

1. Viva Obama! Viva Cuba!

[True Blue Door]

2. Absolutely. If 1968 is the starting year, there's no question Obama is greatest.

There's a reasonable case that he's better than LBJ, and a plausible case that he's better than JFK would have been had he lived.

He achieves parity with Eisenhower and Truman, in my opinion.

It's impossible to judge another great President against FDR because of the unique circumstances of that time, but I say at least that FDR would have approved of him.

I believe Lincoln would also approve of this President, but as with FDR that's just speculation.

[bigtree]

3. pretty hard to fathom, with so many problems and issues still endemic and basic to many Americans

... still unresolved, and in many cases, further aggravated or escalated.

What does it say about America when a legacy of 'accomplishment' is disconnected from the needs of so many citizens?

Nearly 5.5 million more Americans were living in poverty last year than before he took office
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/Factcheck_Obamas_numbers_October_2014_update.html#4wTMXkgyLboaJ6uc.99 …

The poverty rate dropped 0.5 percent in 2013, but remained 1.3 percent higher than in 2008.
http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/data/historical/hstpov2.xls …


Some legacies of U.S. presidents are more enduring than others...

10,000 troops to remain in Afghanistan past the end of this year; 1500 more troops heading to Iraq, 1700 there now. DoD says present U.S. military effort could last as long as three years.

Over 1000 more troops killed in Afghanistan under Obama defending Karzai than Bush sacrificed avenging 9-11

Obama prosecuted more than double the # of whistleblowers under the Espionage Act than all prior presidents combined - link

Pres. Obama actually expanded the Bush-era surveillance state; roving wiretaps, renewed Patriot Act, extended FISA

[pnwmom]

4. Who do you propose as a better President? n/t

[bigtree]

8. I don't see where I'm making that argument

...if any of these issues actually affect or concern you, it's a likely bet you wouldn't be focusing on a contest between presidents.

Let's try and place principle over politics and personality. As I said, some legacies are more enduring than others.

[pnwmom]

10. You were responding to an OP about the best President.

So I assumed you had an interest in that topic, not hijacking the thread.

[bigtree]

12. it should depend on what standard you use

legislatively, I'd choose Johnson with Civil Rights, Voting Rights, Equal Employment Opportunity Act...

See how that works? Those issues are important to me, personally. They might not be as important to someone who was waiting for their parent to return from Vietnam.

[rhett o rick]

35. I agree with you. This is a pure Obama adulation thread and those that don't agree

should stay out. Oh, wait! This is GD. Never mind.

[5X]

7. These sound more important than those of the op. n/t

[bigtree]

11. I'd also take issue with regarding his immigration policies favorably

2 million-plus deportations -

Not all bad, though... deferred deportation and work permits for nearly 600,000 immigrants.

It remains to be seen if, at some future date, he can balance out that deportation record with an equal number retained in the U.S....

[pnwmom]

5. You left out the fact

that his policies helped dig us out of the Great Recession. A not-so-minor achievement since he was opposed at every turn by the Rethugs.

[JaneyVee]

6. Best prez of my lifetime so far. (Born 1981)

[Spider Jerusalem]

9. 1968? LBJ > Obama (Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act, Medicare, etc).

[arely staircase]

27. and Vietnam.

And all those good things were before 68. But that is getting overly technical.

[Spider Jerusalem]

30. Sure, he was still president when you were born.

And Obama has drones and fracking. Vietnam was a mistake, but even so the positive achievements of LBJ's presidency make him second only to FDR among Democratic presidents.

[arely staircase]

31. despite vietnam

LBJ was a great Pres. I totally agree.

[Vattel]

13. Clinton and Carter were better.

Obama has done much worse than Clinton and Carter in terms of killing innocent people in war without much to show for it. He has also been an executive power extremist and so has extended Bush's legacy there. He also failed to amend the War Crimes Act and the Torture Act to make waterboarding and other harsh interrogation techniques unambiguously criminal. He has also been much worse than Clinton and Carter on education issues. And he has deported way more people than either Carter or Clinton. Clinton did more for the poor than Obama by expanding the EITC although Obamacare also did a lot for the poor.

[modeforjoe]

18. Right you are.

The Bush invasions, the creation of guantanamo, the homeland security nonsense--these were abominable inheritances Obama walked into. But he is an accessory to these crimes--and to the bankster scams--when he prevents an honest revisiting and investigation into criminal activity. I think Obama's presidency has been a case of tragic missed opportunities.

[passiveporcupine]

14. you also forgot the executive order

to give legal status to 5 million illegal immigrants!

[arely staircase]

25. I said "immigration"

Should have been specific.

[passiveporcupine]

36. Ooops sorry

I guess I read it too fast.

[Ykcutnek]

15. I was born in 1988. He's definitely the best of my lifetime. nt

[TBF]

16. Despite Vietnam I'd probably pick LBJ

over Carter or Obama due to the Great Society legislation. I can't name a modern president who hasn't given in to the war machine so I'd have to go with the one who at least tried to help some of our poorest citizens.

(I was born in the mid 60s)

[arely staircase]

24. if not for Vietnam I would say LBJ NT

[Jack Rabbit]

17. I go back a ways

So, I'll go with LBJ, in spite of the Vietnam War.

Kennedy was inspiring, but he didn't have a clue how to get his pet legislation through Congress. It was only after LBJ took the reins that we got the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Medicare passed. Add the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and other War on Poverty measures, that was a record of which a president could really be proud. Those things were big.

And then there was the Vietnam War. I could accept from LBJ and his advisers, if I asked them what I thought they were trying to accomplish in Vietnam, that they were trying to contain Communism. If the Bushies told me they went into Iraq to fight a war on terror, I would tell any one of them to his face that he's lying. Nevertheless, a strategic retreat in Vietnam would have been better than trying to keep the crooked leaders in Saigon propped up. That strategy was doomed from the start.

I can't rate Obama higher than Johnson. While Obama has had a number of successes that are laudable, he has also had a number of failure, most of which come not as overt acts but as omissions. He didn't prosecute banksters, he didn't prosecute war criminals and he didn't end Bush's spy-on-everyone program (his cosmetic changes don't amount to anything worth the mention as far I'm concerned). The trade deals he's pushing may turn out to be the biggest blot on his legacy. He'll have a much better reputation in history if those go down to defeat.

[MrScorpio]

19. I've felt the same even before Cuba

He's always been a transformational president.

[Siwsan]

20. I've had a number of great Presidents, in my lifetime (I'm a 'boomer') Every one a Democrat

Without exception. On the other side, Eisenhower was probably the last really effective Republican, in the Oval Office.

[woo me with science]

21. When do we get the Bill of Rights back?

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The use of the word "Centrism" for THESE policies is Orwellian as hell
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025246398#post11

"Centrism" to me carries a deliberate connotation of being "in the center"..in other words, not extreme in either direction. Ditto for the word "moderate," which is constantly used to describe Third Way politicians whose policies are anything but moderate in the traditional sense of the word.

Austerity and attacks on safety nets in a country that has already devastated its middle class are opposed by over 80 percent of Americans across party lines, yet these Third Way economic positions are nevertheless described as "centrist," as though they fell in the mainstream of American opinion. Policies coming out of our government now routinely bear little resemblance to what people have repeatedly stated in polls that they want, and neoliberal politicians lie their way through campaigns because they realize how unpopular their positions really are...yet we persist in calling them "centrists."

Secret laws, secret courts, "Kill Lists"/indefinite detention without due process, and mass surveillance in the United States of America are extreme violations of our Constitution and should not be considered "moderate" positions in any sense of the word. They are extreme, even fascistic policies, yet the politicians who espouse them are permitted by us to describe themselves as "moderates."

I think we need to start using the words, "corporatist," "extreme," and even "fascist" to describe what is happening in this country under the corporatist/neoconservative/neoliberal/Third Way agenda. We are witnessing a malignant merger of state and corporations and the active dismantling of important Constitutional protections. The corporate state is pouring our tax dollars into propaganda and marketing for their agenda, and IMO the vast majority of Americans, while aware of their own economic pain, have little understanding of the peril facing our democratic institutions and basic Constitutional protections.

We use words that suggest the current neoliberal and neocon policies are business as usual in America...just another flavor of policies that Americans can trust still fall safely within the boundaries of a democratic, constitutional, representative political system. They are "centrist" or "moderate." But they really aren't...and I think we need to adjust our labels to drive home the seriousness of the crisis we face.

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/101654954

Obama seeks longer PATRIOT Act extension than Republicans (December 2013)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x380450

When it comes to civil liberties, apparently Democrats are just as bad as Republicans.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022101960

NSA's Massive New Spy Center to Track Your Emails, Internet Activity, and Phone Calls
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101620852

Obama Quietly Signs Abusive Spy Bill He Once Vowed to Eliminate
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022104861

Obama repeals Magna Carta, asserting powers our forefathers denied to Kings
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101655620

Obama's Memo on Killing Americans Twists 'Imminent Threat' Like Bush
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101654919

Obama no better than Bush when it comes to security vs. civil liberties.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022355307

Obama Admin Seeks Permission TO LIE In Response To FOI Requests - Even To The COURTS
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2185303

NDAA on trial: Obama Administration fights ban on indefinite detention of Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101748688

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http://www.nationofchange.org/president-obama-s-incarcernation-1335274655

Obama, Democrats Push to Make Bush Spying Laws Permanent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022084702

NDAA, signed by Obama, is a direct attack against legitimate protest and dissent
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022064803

NSA Whistleblower: All Americans under constant surveillance, all info. stored, no matter the post
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002193487; http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021935289

Bipartisan Congress Disgracefully Approves the FISA Warrantless Spying Bill for Five More Years
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022087323

While Public & Media Focused on 2nd Amendment, 5th Amendment Quietly Dismantled
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022390581

How the Obama administration justifies extrajudicial killing of Americans,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022318187

Judge Says Under Law Executive Branch Can Commit Acts That Sure Do Seem Unconstitutional
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022122464

Obama Justice Dept. says wiretap lawsuit should not proceed
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014337039

NDAA Lawsuit- Hedges v. Obama, The Last Thin Line of Defense
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022357078

Federal authorities step up efforts to license surveillance drones for law enforcement
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022383596

Big Banks and FBI worked together vs Occupy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022095056]

FBI Investigated 'Occupy' As Possible 'Domestic Terrorism' Threat, Internal Documents Show
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022061578

FBI Documents Reveal Secret Nationwide Occupy Monitoring (Updated the OP)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022057064

Public Buses Across Country Quietly Adding Microphones to Record Passenger Conversations
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021965291

Street artist behind satirical NYPD 'Drone' posters arrested
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021920967

The Obama DOJ urged the Supreme Court's endorsement of strip searches.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002521527

Obama Administration Fights to Allow Warrantless GPS Tracking
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1074474

Anonymous to FBI: hey, dudes, maybe you could take a break from...investigating activists....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022145621

Half a billion dollars for drones to spy on Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021876414

From Bradley Manning to Aaron Swartz -- The Government's Inhumane Persecution of Brave Truth Tellers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022276941

The sight of Army helicopters and the sound of gunfire...on Houston's south side
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022276742

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022275570

Can the DEA Hide a Surveillance Camera on Your Property?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022237059

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021888029

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014312823

CIA Behind Bizarre Censorship Incident At Alleged 9/11 Plotters’ Gitmo Trial
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022280285

“I Am Wearing My Conviction As A Badge Of Honor.”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022275128

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/12525281

How Secrecy Corrodes Democracy
http://election.democraticunderground.com/101655009

Obama Quietly Issues Ruling Saying It's Legal For The FBI To Break The Law
http://election.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7545687

US Pulls Plug on Iran Cable News (Press TV)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014394770

DHS Watchdog OKs 'Suspicionless' Seizure of Electronic Devices Along Border
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022339091

One Of The NSA's Original Whistleblowers Says The Goal Is 'Total Population Control'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025225549

Petition Calls On Obama Stop Intimidation Of Journalists And Whistleblowers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025509395

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024488178

Obama Promises, Including Whistleblower Protections, Disappear
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014549454

President Obama on Whistleblowers: Then and Now -
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x536574

Obama's unprecedented war on whistleblowers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101613051

James Risen: Obama Is 'Greatest Enemy To Press Freedom In A .
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025401662

An Assault from Obama's Escalating War on Journalism
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025030391

Obama administration to reveal legal justification for killing Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014808253

Obama's Memo on Killing Americans Twists 'Imminent Threat' Like Bush
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101654919

NSA Phone Snooping Cannot Be Challenged in Court, Feds Say ..
http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/1014542562

Democratic establishment unmasked: prime defenders of NSA bulk collection
http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/10023337088

NSA can store a billion cell phone calls.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023125853

N.S.A. Examines Social Networks of U.S. Citizens (Decision Made In Secret 2010)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014605329

PBS Frontline Exposes (Softly) Bush's and Obama's Authorization and Coverup of NSA Spying
http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/eric-zuesse/55928/pbs-frontline-exposes-softly-bushs-and-obamas-authorization-and-coverup-of-nsa-illegal-surveillance-of-

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...http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025416709

Federal grants drive the militarization of police departments
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025383806

Why Is President Obama Keeping a Journalist in Prison in Yemen
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023300531

James Clapper Calls Journalists "Criminal Accomplices" -
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017174990

Rachel Maddow on David Miranda and the White House
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/19/1232435/-Rachel-Maddow-on-David-Miranda-and-the-White-House

Obama Pentagon Employs Bush-Era Propagandists to Screen Embedding Journalists
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6380567

Obama the Conservative: Little Hope for Change
http://www.obamatheconservative.com/

Obama: After 911, we tortured some folks.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014860709''

Obama and GOPers Worked Together to Kill Bush Torture Probe
http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/12/wikileaks-cable-obama-quashed-torture-investigation

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025339047

Obama Administration: Further Legitimizing Targeted Assassinations by Drones
http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2012/05/02/further-legitimizing-targeted-assassinations-by-drones/

Washington gets explicit: its 'war on terror' is permanent
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/may/17/endless-war-on-terror-obama

President Obama’s Dragnet (New York Times Editorial)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022960012

Obama Justice Dept. declines to pursue allegations that CIA spied on Senate Intelligence Committee
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014843337

Obama DOJ Asks Court to Grant Immunity to George W. Bush For Iraq War
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11781446

NDAA on trial: Obama Administration DOJ fights ban on indefinite detention of Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101748688

DEA and DOJ Struck Deal with Mexico's Most Notorious Drug Cartel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4410768
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-government-and-the-sinaloa-cartel-2014-1#ixzz2qKWem3w8

Chilling Legal Memo From Obama DOJ Justifies Assassination of US Citizens
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101654954

DOJ lied to Supreme Court about domestic surveillance
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140514/06214727229/doj-still-trying-to-hide-fact-it-flat-out-lied-to-supreme-court-about-domestic-surveillance.shtml

The Obama administration/DOJ war on whistleblowers and federal unions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5586389

DOJ Mysteriously Quits Monsanto Antitrust Investigation
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021911441

Holder/Obama administration seeks to legalize lying in response to Freedom of Information requests.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5586380

NSA Phone Spying Cannot Be Challenged in Court, Feds Say ..
http://metamorphosis.democraticunderground.com/1014542562

The Obama DOJ urged the Supreme Court's endorsement of strip searches for minor traffic stops.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5586369
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002521527

Holder overlooks DEA abuse of spying information, construction of false evidence trails against Americans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1168570

DOJ goes all the way to the SC to argue for warrantless GPS tracking on cars
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5586375

Obama/Holder War on Journalism coming to a head (Risen)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101699216
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2014/08/04/obamas-war-journalism-coming-head
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1269998

Obama/Holder more hostile to medical marijuana patients than any president in history
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002650922
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5585204

Feds seek hard prison time for rural Washington pot growers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014801804

Obama DOJ spying on AP reporters, editors re: leaks; other news organizations
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/15/opinion/spying-on-the-associated-press.html
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014487549

Obama/Holder DOJ drags out Tesoro investigation (Refinery Explosion) for 4 years; no criminal charges vs. Big Energy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025407823

Obama DOJ drags feet at accountability on Deepwater Horizon
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2011/04/22/doj-sits-on-its-thumbs/

Obama DOJ Allows Bank of America to Deduct $12 Billion of $17 Billion Settlement
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5427407

Exporting Corruption (Asset Forfeiture), DOJ Looks for Lucrative Overseas Partnerships
http://www.forfeiturereform.com/exporting_corruption_doj_looks_for_lucrative_overseas_partnerships

Obama/Holder Leak Investigations Outrageous and Unprecedented
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/05/obama_s_justice_department_holder_s_leak_investigations_are_outrageous_and.html

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022846735
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/24/us/former-cia-officer-pleads-guilty-in-leak-case.html?_r=0

Too Big to Jail: Letting criminal banks and bankers off the hook
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024906501
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017201343
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025558689
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014571503
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025503531

Obama Justice Department Sues Telecom for Challenging National Security Letter
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014170619

Obama DOJ Argues ‘No Constitutional Right Not to Become an Informant’
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10025309330

Operation Choke Point- The DOJ using banks to shut down industries they don't like
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024880788

Obama/Holder DOJ Looks To Overturn Ruling That Would Apply Fair Sentencing Act Retroactively
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023334909

How Eric Holder Facilitated the Most Unjust Presidential Pardon in American History
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023253563

Holder and Obama Dishonesty On Mandatory Minimums, the Drug War and Mass Incarceration
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023492539

US & NSA Accused of (Holder defends) Criminal Privacy Violations in Dozens of Nations
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023086724

Obama DOJ defends NSA's Associational Tracking Program; No justification even in Patriot Act
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023455121

US declares socialists Freedom Road a terrorist organization
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2010/09/raid-s29.html

ACLU sues as DOJ ignores surveillance transparency law
https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-security/aclu-sues-doj-ignores-surveillance-transparency-law

Obama Justice Department has launched twice as many Espionage Act prosecutions against domestic leakers as all previous administrations combined.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022276941

The only official punished by Obama DOJ for the illegal NSA program was the one who discussed it. The same is now true of torture.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/27/obama-war-on-whistleblowers-purpose

DOJ Drone Memo revealed: Government can overrule 4th amendment
http://www.democraticunderground.com/11784727

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016101952

Justice Department And NSA Memos Proposing Broader Powers For NSA To Collect Data
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023114180

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/22/al-franken-eric-holder_n_2934627.html

Under Obama DOJ, Bradley Birkenfeld, UBS Whistleblower, Finds Himself in Federal Prison
http://www.cnbc.com//id/41257962

Obama/Holder DOJ sided with Rove in politically motivated prosecution of fr. AL governor, Don Siegelman,
Then, the person who handled the paperwork, got onto the Supreme Court.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Elena-Kagan--Willing-Acco-by-Michael-Collins-100622-971.html

[grahamhgreen]

40. +1. Anyone who helped usher in the torture era, is not great.

[mulsh]

22. 1957 - He's the greatest president of my life time too.

He is the only political figure I have seen who I know is a better, smarter and harder working person than I am. I don't care to debate this or compare him to JFK or FDR. I appreciate the fact that he's unique.

[jtuck004]

23. Good for you, but you just gave me another reason to be happy I'm older. n/t

[liberalmuse]

26. Mine, too...

born in '63, a few months before JFK was cut down. I do believe President Obama is the greatest President since FDR, although I'm sure many will disagree. Do I worship him and agree with everything he's done? Hell, no! However, even though his Presidency has been clouded with bigotry and major criticism from people on all sides of the political debate, I stand by my belief.

[arely staircase]

29. +1 nt

[RKP5637]

28. K&R! Definitely!!! n/t

[Historic NY]

32. You know what this means,

Customs won't steal your hidden Cubano cigars, when you come back from a cruise.

[Gman]

33. Bill Clinton hands down

I rate a president on people working. In my lifetime it was never better except during LBJ and JFK.

During my working life, Clinton

[IrishAyes]

34. You'll get no argument from me about it.

The first time I heard about him, for some reason I thought, "There's our Bobby, returned to us."

[colsohlibgal]

37. That Bar Is Not Real High

Social issues mostly good. Economic issues not so good and more than a little very bad. Again, check out the TPP and realize he tried to sneak this by us under dark of night.

He is not unlike Clinton is many respects. Bubba talks a good game but that does not excuse letting the banks play casino again by doing away with Glass-Steagall and giving us NAFTA and other awful trade agreemenets.

[arely staircase]

38. fair assessment

Don't agree with it all. But is fair enough. I think BHO has been considerably more progressive than WJC on social issues but Obama governed in more progressive time on social issues anyway.

[liberal_at_heart]

39. We cannot have social justice without economic justice.

A middle class being slowly destroyed and people being driven into poverty is a social issue.