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Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:03 PM

Do we actually know who killed those cops

It's very neat and convenient - they appear to have been shot by a marksman - two minority cops shot in the head at the same time reforms are demanded and the killer came all the way from Baltimore and just happened to write a farewell note that includes a threat to cops.

This really looks too neat.
I want more info - yes it's horrible for their families and I grieve for them regardless of who committed this awful act.

I'm skeptical about everything these days.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:05 PM

1. why don't you just say who you think did it? n/t

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:06 PM

2. This dude was wanted in Baltimore for shooting a woman.

I honestly believe he was a guy with a very sick twisted mind that wanted to die.

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Response to Raine1967 (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:09 PM

3. agreed.

 

He wanted notoriety as well. He pretty much said so in his postings.

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Response to Raine1967 (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:12 PM

7. Why did he have to assassinate 2 policemen to die?

 

Reports are that he killed himself. He should have done that firs!

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Response to elias49 (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:13 PM

8. He was making a point.

 

Which he was very clear to explain on Instragram. He wanted to go out in a blaze of glory.

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Response to elias49 (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 11:02 PM

38. I can't get into the mind of a dead murderer.

Something was wrong in his head. HE did kill himself. HE shot his girlfriend in Baltimore and made it to Brooklyn to assassinate two cops.


These are the actions of a mind gone wrong. Did he have to?

We will never know. He's dead.

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Response to elias49 (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:39 AM

55. Maybe someone put the idea in his head?

He was clearly crazy. And has nothing to do with the peaceful protesters. So why is he being used against them? Who is orchestrating this campaign to try to shut down these protests?

The NYPD is so thoroughly corrupt that nothing I might learn about them would surprise me.

And if the police are going to lie about any connection between him and the legitimate protests against the murder of unarmed African Americans, then we are free to speculate about EVERYTHING that comes from them.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #55)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:42 AM

57. OH MY GOOD GOD

 

THERE IS NOT ENOUGH TINFOIL IN THE WORLD FOR THIS PRISONPLANET SHIT

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Response to Post removed (Reply #59)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:23 AM

66. Sorry, maybe I'm tired, but I'm not following you. Michael Brown is not really the issue

though his death was a tragedy and imo, murder.

We know that witnesses lied to the GJ, the prosecutor, McCullough has now admitted that AND that he knew they were lying. Those two are the 'witnesses' used to try to discredit all the other witnesses.

But that is just the tip of the iceberg regarding this problem. Brown was just one more African American teenager gunned down in the street by a police officer. I guess his death was the tipping point for something that has gone on for so long with no justice.

If I am misunderstanding you, I'm sorry.

But the NYPD is not a Civilian PD anymore.

They have been caught lying and deceiving and engaging in corruption and prejudice over an over again.

They have declared themselves to be above the law. That is not acceptable in a Democracy.

Now they are using this tragedy to try to stop the protests against their own law breaking. That is reprehensible.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #66)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:29 AM

78. This

Now they are using this tragedy to try to stop the protests against their own law breaking. That is reprehensible.


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Response to malaise (Reply #78)

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 08:40 AM

366. I'm only 50% with your conclusion, but ALL your questions are good and logical. And this IS the...

NYPD after all.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #66)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:36 PM

224. Don't mind him, he is back on the naughty stool.

 

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Response to Rex (Reply #224)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 10:46 AM

340. you are correct, ignore that, and let the tinfoil flow!

 

Don't use it all though I need several square feet to cover the ham and turkey goodness after I get done cooking on Thursday

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Response to snooper2 (Reply #340)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:27 PM

345. Awww...did one of your buddies get a time out and now your gots a madz?

 

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Response to Rex (Reply #345)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:59 PM

351. Who is that? Oh, I'm never mad-

 

and it-s got a mad, not madz-


If you are going to type in tween at least do a little research first!

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #57)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:08 AM

63. Why am I not surprised? So you support the police shootings of innocent

unarmed African Americans by the Police. Thanks, I like to know where people stand on the issues.

They are undermining Mayor De Blasio because he spoke up for the victims of Police Brutality.

I guess you agree with them that he was wrong to do that also.

Oh My Good God! On DU of all places.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #63)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:50 AM

81. +1

 

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #57)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:06 AM

91. Gotta say...

Sometimes taking a hide is just worth it.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #91)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:07 PM

99. You aprove of NuclearDem's nastiness?

 

Is that what you're referring to when you say that "sometimes is worth to take a hide"??

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #99)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:19 PM

103. That's what I said.

Take your finger-wagging elsewhere.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #103)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:30 PM

106. Not surprised at all with your stance. nt.

 

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #106)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:46 PM

115. Don't care. nt

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Response to Post removed (Reply #116)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:56 PM

119. Wait, you left something out.



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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #119)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:59 PM

120. Who or what are you "clapping your hands" for?

 

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Response to Post removed (Reply #116)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:11 PM

220. I hate the censorship here

 

Posts like that let you know who someone really is and should be left to speak for themselves.

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Response to Boreal (Reply #220)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:57 PM

234. I agree, though I do like the system we have now as opposed to

when they were deleted and no one could see them. Now we get to see them, which is a lot better imo.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #234)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:51 PM

255. Really?

 

Where can you see what was hidden? I didn't know that.

I had a post hidden and it was all because the person who alerted lied to the board and told them I used was used was racist. The word was "Ukie", short for Ukrainian and is not a racial slur, AT ALL. The alerter wanted the facts of my post hidden and used the lie to get it done.

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Response to Boreal (Reply #255)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 12:45 AM

274. Sorry about that, it happens occasionally, but overall I prefer the jury system

over the mod system. True, there are people who try to abuse it, but most people are fair I believe.

You can see a hidden post if you click on it. That is what I like about it also. While the community may hide it, it is still accessible. The old system just deleted posts so you never knew why something was hidden.

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Response to Boreal (Reply #220)

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 09:04 AM

367. Its not censorship of ideas, its censorship of intent. Last night there was a concerted effort to...

censor the rest of us by drowning out by shouting us all down. Disruption may be free speech but it isn't protected speech and specifically it isn't tolerated here. Some of this big group of disruptors made up to 50 posts yesterday. I don't know how many juries were raised but I bet it was a near record.

When I see a "message removed/name removed" I kinda know what the reason was even if I don't get the specifics. And I am sure at least 90% of the time I'd agree 100% with that erasure. When you are actually here for a while you'll understand. Stated in a way that contains no direct insult to a member or clearly racist, sexist, ageist (etc) reference to others, one can at least say pretty much anything.

Its not so much what they said, its the intent and how they said it that got them removed.

If you like that kind of thing, almost total freedom to be insulting, rude, angry etc, you might want to take a look at a site that the creators of this site put up about six or eight months ago called the discussionist. Its a free for all sometimes and people feel free to say almost anything, including some fairly racist stuff.

Personally, I'll take some censorship to keep the OPs on track and semiclose to topic.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #116)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:06 PM

238. The poster who made that vile comment was lying. The post

was an outright lie. And if you want to say something to me don't use someone else's words, use your own.

I did not alert on that post, I'm fine with letting people see these vile attacks on DUers here who have spent their lives standing up against police brutality especially against minorities.

I got used to these kinds of attacks on those of us who for years, have spoken out against these cops. But I have to say, I never encountered it on a Democratic Forum until recently.

Mayor De Blasio is learning how dangerous it is to speak the truth about this issue.

He will need the support of every decent citizen in this state right now. I imagine he too will be the target of the same kind of anger just seen here.



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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #238)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:30 PM

246. Why am I not surprised? So you support the shooting of

Police officers by armed psychos.
Thanks, I like to know where people stand on the issues.

Oh My Good God! On DU of all places.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5987254

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #115)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:36 PM

162. well thank you

for doing your part to drag the coversation into the sewer.

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Response to G_j (Reply #162)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:06 PM

185. Sorry

Last edited Sun Dec 21, 2014, 04:28 PM - Edit history (1)

Not a member of the fan club.

I'll favor the direct approach over the backhanded snide any day.


ETA: No, THIS is where it went into the sewer:

"So you support the police shootings of innocent
unarmed African Americans by the Police. Thanks, I like to know where people stand on the issues."

Snide, disingenuous, and thoroughly disgusting.

Get it now?

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #185)

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 09:18 AM

370. That definately was the sewer grate.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #91)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:29 PM

105. Gotta agree,

that post was taken completely out of context by the other poster.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #91)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:31 PM

108. Why are you clapping?

He seems to have attacked the wrong person.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #108)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 04:58 PM

212. No she didn't.

Last edited Sun Dec 21, 2014, 05:37 PM - Edit history (1)

I'm clapping in agreement with the hidden poster, because the post she was responding to was one of the most dishonest, disgusting posts I've seen around here in some time.

I cannot stand people who pull this snide, dishonest crap.

So you support the police shootings of innocent
unarmed African Americans by the Police.


What the fuck??

Hope that clears it up for you.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #212)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 05:44 PM

214. Not too clear, but it's not worth clarifying.

Probably another case in which I find the nesting of comments hard to follow.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #212)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 06:36 PM

217. Yes but not a shock coming from that poster.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #217)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:59 PM

236. Which poster? The hidden post? If so, I agree.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #91)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:13 PM

125. +1...nt

Sid

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #91)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:49 PM

168. Yup.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #91)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 06:31 PM

216. I AGREE

ABSOLUTELY

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #91)

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 09:11 AM

368. Maybe personally you might, but what was proven with a post almost nobody saw and.....

not being able to post on that OP anymore? He could have made the statement in an acceptable way and that would have reached the audience he wanted to be heard by.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #57)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:04 PM

98. Its called freedom of expression and freedom of thought..

 

OP has the right to ask questions, or be skeptical. You on the other hand chose to be condescending and associate the OP with "tinfoil hats". Which is fine, your right ( we are a free country) but don't forget she just asked a legitimate question, and didn't point the finger to x or y.
Which is far from needing "tinfoil" anything.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #98)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:17 PM

102. It amazes me how if you question a situation

someone like the hidden "jewel" above goes ballistic, because there have never been any conspiracies involving cops EVAR.

You have to be mighty ignorant and very immature and naive to imagine there is no such thing as corruption, set-ups blackmail etc.

I'm not saying it's the case here but there certainly have been known conspiracies among cops.

How sad that the hidden poster is so convinced that "cops are just the most wonderful people on the planet and they would NEVER lie or do anything sinister,' that they feel they have to get so personal and ugly with someone who isn't convinced.



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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #102)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:40 PM

111. +1000

 

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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #102)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:54 PM

118. Wrong

The "hidden poster" took issue with an individual. Ascribing an exaggerated stance, " cops are just the most wonderful people on the planet and they would NEVER lie or do anything sinister." to ND is just ridiculous beyond belief.


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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #118)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:03 PM

121. You backed ND and his hidden post

 

NuclearDem insulted the OP, malaise ( a respected DUr) in a very nasty way. He cursed her out, and you said that " sometimes it's worth taking a hide", in respect to his hidden post.
You approved of that nastiness.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #121)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:07 PM

122. That comment was NOT directed

to malaise.

You seem confused.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #122)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:11 PM

123. You backed NuclearDem who cursed the OP, malaise.

 

His post was deservedly hidden, but you approved of it saying that " sometimes it's worth taking a hide).

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #123)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:15 PM

126. You're talking in circles now

Done here.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #126)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:19 PM

130. No I am not. Im poiting out what you did ( you admitted of backing NuclearDem when i asked you

 

.. if that was the case. )
You alfoved of breaking the TOS and community standards, albeit, which were done by another member.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #123)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:18 PM

128. You need to re-read the comments,

ND's post was directed at sabrina 1, not the OP.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #128)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:21 PM

132. Sabrina supported the OP

 

Did she not?

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #132)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:23 PM

134. So?

ND's response was still directed at the aforementioned person.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #134)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:32 PM

137. NuclearDem violated the TOS and community standards and got his posts hidden

 

And this poster approved of those violations.

Do you see nothing wrong with that??

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #137)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:39 PM

139. No, I do not.

ND probably knew that the post would be hidden, but felt it was worth it.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #139)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:40 PM

140. Really??

 

Response to post #139 by GGJohn:
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:39 PM
GGJohn
139. No, I do not.
ND probably knew that the post would be hidden, but felt it was worth it.


You aprove of a poster telling another to go "fuck themselves"??

This is NuclearDem's post you stand behind:

NuclearDem This message was hidden by Jury decision. Hide
64. ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME
FUCK OFF YOU PSYCHO PIECE OF TROLL SHIT

FUCK OFF WHATEVER DRUGS YOU'RE ON YOU MISERABLE WASTE OF OXYGEN

YOU NEVER GIVE A SHIT ABOUT UNARMED BLACK KIDS UNTIL IT GIVES YOU AN EXCUSE TO PEDDLE YOUR DELUSIONAL PSYCHO CONSPIRACY BULLSHIT

FUCK YOURSELF



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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #140)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:41 PM

141. Yes, really.

Did I stutter?

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #141)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:43 PM

143. Fine. And in case you delete:

 

GGJohn
141. Yes, really.
Did I stutter?

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #143)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:46 PM

146. Why would I delete?

It's not a violation of the TOS, so, I won't delete.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #146)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:48 PM

147. Correct.

 

But you do support a post literally cursing another DUer.


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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #147)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:00 PM

149. Different strokes for different folks.

Anyway, thanks for keeping it a decent converse.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #149)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:19 PM

155. amazing...you support abuse of another poster

but want to be treated with kid gloves yourself.

I smell something....

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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #155)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:22 PM

157. I said I wanted to be treated with kids gloves?

I'm guessing that you can provide a link?

Ha, I spent over 40 years in the Army, I have an extremely thick skin, so, fire away, it won't offend me.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #157)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:39 PM

164. Aren't you just awesome

you thanked the poster for being ever so gentle with you, so I assume that you appreciate that but only if the gentle discourse is directed toward you or someone who agrees with you.
Otherwise you support being abusive toward others.

Got it.

I know a lot of them IRL who have this double standard like you and others on this thread. Except they all watch FOX news and rub their guns against their crotches and hate anyone not pasty as a tortilla.

I'd hate to think DU would ever get infested with people like that, but you never know...




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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #164)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:50 PM

170. Boy, did you ever read that wrong!!!!


I thanked her for a decent conversation, if you can't see that, then it's on you, not me.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #170)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:56 PM

174. while supporting someone who was far from decent? Uhuh....

Like I said, double standard from HELL.

You guys don't fool anyone; I hope you realize that. Oldtimers here can smell you through our laptops.

PHEWIE!!!!!







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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #174)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:13 PM

189. Happy Holidays.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #189)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:15 PM

191. If I can get the smell out of this room

maybe.


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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #191)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:17 PM

194. Now you're doing the same thing you accused me of?

Does the word hypocrite come to mind?

That's ok though, have a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #194)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:21 PM

196. So you don't like it when people online are mean?

or you don't like it when people online are mean to YOU?

Because you stated that you were fine with another troll (we all know it) poster abusing a DUer.

YOU SUPPORTED THE ABUSE.

Now you don't like when someone is mean?

Awwww....Poor baby....those double standards ALWAYS out you guys. ALWAYS.

If you could just try not to be so hypocritical yourselves, maybe we wouldn't catch on to you so soon.





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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #196)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:27 PM

199. I could care less if your mean to me,

you seem to forget, I spent 40+ years in the Army, you're nothing compared to to some of my commanding officers.

All I was doing was point out your hypocrisy.
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #196)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:30 PM

204. Who are "you guys"?

People who aren't insulting?

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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #191)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:19 PM

241. Not everybody at DU has the ideology we would expect at DU...

Be very careful around here...

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Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #241)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:37 PM

249. Welcome to DU!

We'll be sure to take your advice.

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Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #241)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:39 PM

271. So we all have to walk in lockstep around here?

I thought that's what the republicans did, I was under the impression that the Democratic Party was a big tent.
Was I wrong to have that impression?

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Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #241)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:16 AM

289. You're absolutely right. But the majority of DUers still do.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #289)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:32 PM

347. There are so many plants around here it would take a lake to water them all

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Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #347)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 08:53 PM

362. lol

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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #174)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:45 PM

230. Why anyone takes the usual suspect serously is a mystery to me.

 

They all pretend to be here with good intentions, until they don't - and then just laugh it off. You are right, oldtimers ain't fooled by their narrative one bit.

Thanks for pointing it out. The double standard and ignoring facts are so obvious it is sad/painful to watch.

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Response to Rex (Reply #230)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:40 AM

295. You're right, old timers are not fooled at all.

We never were.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #295)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 04:13 AM

333. Well questioning absolutely nothing makes a person stick out like a sorethumb.

 

Did back on DU1 still does on DU3. Like on DU1 those that would defend Bush and never criticize a thing he or Cheney did. Same shit, different year.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #157)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:04 AM

285. I have a thick skin too and I didn't spend any time in the army.

I didn't alert on that post just so people know, but not surprised someone did. There are rules here, which being in the army I'm sure you learned to respect. The admins of this site do not want it to look like the comment section of Utube and for the most part people are decent enough to respect that.

I've been on forums where there are no rules, and have no problem with them. But this is not that kind of forum and people generally respect that.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #285)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:19 AM

290. Ha, you want to see a forum with no rules?

Go visit Discussionist, that place is wide open no holds barred.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #290)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:28 AM

291. I like Discussionist. And I've never seen a post filled with the kind of vitriol

in the one you approved there. I disagree with many of the people there, but haven't had any problem doing so.

Discussionist is mild compared to some of the forums I started out on. The post you liked here was mild compared to some of them. Though even on those forums, the dialogue was of a slightly higher caliber, bad as they were.

Discussionist has the same jury system as this one. And it seems to be working fine wrt to posts that are filled with nothing but personal attacks. As does this one.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #128)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 01:02 AM

275. She has it right. The OP was being attacked by someone who has

a habit of attacking other DUers here. But when someone responds to them, they go ballistic. All they have to do is to treat other people here with respect and they will be treated the same way. That hidden post should surprise no one, and it is that type of attack, which people are becoming pretty familiar with and pretty sick of, that elicited my response.

Malaise has a right to question and so do I. Both she and I were attacked for doing so.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #275)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 01:42 AM

280. No she wasn't.

And "It's very neat and convenient - they appear to have been shot by a marksman - two minority cops shot in the head at the same time reforms are demanded and the killer came all the way from Baltimore and just happened to write a farewell note that includes a threat to cops." Is well beyond a question.
Try again.

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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #102)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:57 PM

175. This is not a question.

"It's very neat and convenient - they appear to have been shot by a marksman - two minority cops shot in the head at the same time reforms are demanded and the killer came all the way from Baltimore and just happened to write a farewell note that includes a threat to cops."

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Response to zappaman (Reply #175)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:02 PM

182. Do you repeat yourself often? But no, it was an observation.

It was not a statement, but a followup to explain the question.

Nowhere does the OP state any belief one way or the other. In fact, she closes by saying she is skeptical of everything.

In this day and age, NOT being skeptical is the real fool's game. You have to be sort of thick headed or naive to not question EVERYTHING.

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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #182)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:04 PM

184. An observation?

So the OP was at the scene?

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Response to zappaman (Reply #184)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:11 PM

188. You poor dear

I am so sorry that you don't know what an observation is.

Here is a definition for you:

ob·ser·va·tion
ˌäbzərˈvāSH(ən/
noun
noun: observation; plural noun: observations

1.
the action or process of observing something or someone carefully or in order to gain information.
"she was brought into the hospital for observation"
synonyms: monitoring, watching, scrutiny, examination, inspection, survey, surveillance, consideration, study, review
"the patient has been brought in for observation"
the ability to notice things, especially significant details.
"his powers of observation"
the taking of the altitude of the sun or another celestial body for navigational purposes.
2.
a remark, statement, or comment based on something one has seen, heard, or noticed.
"he made a telling observation about Hugh"
synonyms: remark, comment, statement, utterance, pronouncement, declaration.


Bold mine.

According to the dictionary, you do not need to be present at an event to make an observation about it.


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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #188)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:27 PM

200. I'm fine thanks.

And I stand by my statement.

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Response to NuclearDem (Reply #57)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:09 AM

287. no there isn't

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #55)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:59 AM

97. +1000

 

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #55)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 04:01 PM

353. "Who is orchestrating this campaign to try to shut down these protests? "

 


+100000

If they didn't want us to be suspicious, they might have been a little more humble with their reaction.

They are so obvious, and we are not morons.

And the idea that we are expected to believe whatever the media presents us at this point is completely laughable.

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Response to elias49 (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 08:50 PM

360. Why were 4 Lakewood Police murdered in a Coffee shop?

How about because there are bad, EVIL people on this planet and all some need is a perceived threat or grievance to impel them to act first..

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:10 PM

4. fuck outta here with your loony bullshit

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Response to name not needed (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 11:46 PM

41. It's not loony to question what we're told.

I think it's far more loony that we don't.

And, we don't have a press corps who questions anything authorities tell them, either.

We're a country of drones.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #41)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:15 AM

50. "we don't have a press corps who questions anything authorities tell them"

 

Bingo.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #41)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:38 AM

69. +1000 All this vitriol toward the OP for even *suggesting* that we question

might be a tiny bit less offensive if we didn't already have ample evidence that we live in a deeply corrupt propaganda state operating with with virtually no limits when it comes to morality and manipulating the public.

This guy may very well be a lone nut. However, we also have ample evidence by now that our corrupt government is capable of just about anything in order to dupe Americans into supporting the most malignant aspects of their corporate, war, and police state agenda.

We know we are the target of campaigns of propaganda and smear by our own government, down to discussion boards on the internet. We know that most of the reported "terror plots" that were supposedly interrupted by our government were largely manufactured by it. And that's not even remotely the worst of what we have learned.

If our country will torture, break bones, rape, sodomize, and even murder human beings for the express purpose of extracting false confessions to manufacture American support for war, then people should think twice about attacking those who suggest that it might also respond to nationwide outrage and protests against our militarized police state with an extreme incident to justify its continuation.

At the very least, we should be open to questioning, and outraged that this incident will undoubtedly be used by the PTB to try to render the protests null and void.


U.S. Tortured and Killed Innocent People for the Specific Purpose of Producing False Propaganda
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025938295
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025959095




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Response to woo me with science (Reply #69)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:13 PM

124. +1000

 

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #69)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:31 PM

136. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #69)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:21 PM

156. AMEN x 1,0000000000000000 n/t

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #69)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:28 PM

159. +1 million

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #69)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:30 PM

160. Amen...

woo… There is nothing more to add, but I did down-thread. YOU have said it best.

Jeebus…. WHEN will people start paying attention?

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #69)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:54 PM

172. +100000000.....

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #69)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:58 PM

177. This is not a question

"It's very neat and convenient - they appear to have been shot by a marksman - two minority cops shot in the head at the same time reforms are demanded and the killer came all the way from Baltimore and just happened to write a farewell note that includes a threat to cops."

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #69)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:30 PM

203. +1

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #69)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:49 PM

232. It is always the same small group of self-righteous authoritarians

 

Thankfully 99% of this site just laughs at their extremest views.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #69)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 01:14 AM

277. Good post

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #69)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:42 AM

296. +10,000 n/t

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #41)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:57 PM

176. This is not a question

"It's very neat and convenient - they appear to have been shot by a marksman - two minority cops shot in the head at the same time reforms are demanded and the killer came all the way from Baltimore and just happened to write a farewell note that includes a threat to cops."

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Response to zappaman (Reply #176)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:01 AM

284. OK - so it's a hypothesis.

My point is that we shouldn't call people "looney" if they don't automatically believe what authorities tell them.

It's been proven time and time again that the authorities can and do lie. Maybe not always, but we should reserve judgment.

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Response to Fawke Em (Reply #284)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:46 AM

297. It looks like they were shot by aliens with some sort of otherworldly weapon.

Hey, it's just a hypothesis.

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Response to name not needed (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:17 PM

101. What was loony about what malaise said?

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Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #101)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:25 PM

158. I'll answer that…. NOTHING

How long must it take for people to get their head out of the sand and pay attention to what passes as a mystery unsolved? This particular story as it unfolds is unfolding a little too neatly for me, personally. I have not finished with what I feel was behind this crime. Meanwhile…. I'm getting tired of the tin foil association that some persons throw out with considering all possibilities. Tin foil? I consider that well worn phrase will wear itself out sooner than later.

There are more reasons within our current law enforcement and policy making where it might be reasoned to control a growing number of Americans, mainly, the ones who are more likely to "rise up", albeit peacefully. This would not be the first example in history where setting up a mentally challenged "loon" is worth the price of a few soldiers, as the lie blurs between police and soldiers. How to control disgruntled populations... What tactics could possibly be used to suppress militarization of police? This would not be the first example for me to conclude. However, NOBODY is going to tell me I shouldn't consider it. To cast aspersions on that possibility of this tactic BEING used is one way to shut people up. I've had shit hurled at me by lesser individuals since 2001 for reasoning the possibilities, based on real history. That is what happens when you pay attention to history.

There is nothing wrong with allowing these kinds of opinions, so I'm with you on this one.

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Response to MrMickeysMom (Reply #158)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:46 PM

165. You know I spent an hour looking into the eyes of that little boy who was wrongly executed

seventy years ago - bet it was tinfoil to defend him then, but seventy years later after the racists killed that child, he has now been exonerated from the grave.
I'll remain skeptical - I questioned all the nuns at school and my parents, so I don't care who gets upset when I question the 'very convenient' establishment meme driven by self interest.

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Response to MrMickeysMom (Reply #158)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:51 PM

171. Lol.

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Response to MrMickeysMom (Reply #158)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:49 AM

299. Excellent post, thank you. It sure gets some people very upset when people who

have learned not to trust anything they are told, question authority! All the MORE reason to question imho.

They HAVE been outraged over the protests. They are getting worried that they are not only NOT ending, as they expected, but are growing.

And no way should the protests stop. I heard one of them today stating that the protests should end.

Seems they intend to use this tragedy, for their own purposes.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #299)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:02 AM

303. Lol.

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Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #101)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:59 PM

178. This...

"It's very neat and convenient - they appear to have been shot by a marksman - two minority cops shot in the head at the same time reforms are demanded and the killer came all the way from Baltimore and just happened to write a farewell note that includes a threat to cops."

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:12 PM

6. Hmmm...

 

I'm leaning towards a false flag operation run jointly by the North Koreans, ISIS, and the NYPD

(Eye roll inserted here)

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Response to philosslayer (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:14 PM

10. It's Marco Rubio

trying to distract from the Cuban deal.

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Response to philosslayer (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:53 AM

82. sarcasm is the least efficient form of communication

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Response to GreatGazoo (Reply #82)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 06:08 PM

215. Yes, because Jon Stewart has been such an abject failure.

I see what I did there.

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Response to philosslayer (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:29 PM

222. Heh. You forgot the Zionists! And the Freemasons! nt

 

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Response to branford (Reply #222)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 01:38 AM

279. And, for God's sake, don't forget

the Illuminati!!!

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Response to philosslayer (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:53 AM

300. Did you know that the NYPD, and other so-called 'civilian PDs' send some of their

members to train in Israel and other ME countries? Why are our civilian police being trained in WAR ZONES?? Bahrain is a dictatorship, did you know that? So who knows what training they are receiving? Your little 'joke' isn't that funny when you actually know some of what is going on with our supposed civilian PDs, is it?

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #300)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:17 AM

305. Link?

Or is it just more "facts" like "50 million Americans get their news from RT"?

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:14 PM

9. Try not to overthink it

you're gonna come across as kind of loony.

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Response to sharp_stick (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:17 PM

12. Gonna?

 

too late on "gonna"

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Response to philosslayer (Reply #12)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:50 AM

72. Add "kind of"?

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:15 PM

11. I am surprised it took you this long

 

to post this nonsense, you are usually quicker on the draw with your Conspiracy Theories.....Was everyone at Prison Planet busy today?

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Response to AnalystInParadise (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:17 PM

14. Huh? n/t

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Response to malaise (Reply #14)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 11:48 PM

42. What he means is, take this shit to "InfoWars"

 

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Response to 7962 (Reply #42)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:56 AM

301. He can't answer, he's been given a vacation ... so I guess his snide suggestion

re Infowars, is moot at this point.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #301)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:18 AM

306. How is info wars these days?

You still digging it?

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Response to zappaman (Reply #306)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:33 AM

314. I'm sorry for ignoring you, it wasn't intentional, just too many other

interesting comments to attend to. What was it you wanted again?

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #314)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:36 AM

316. For starters, you could point out where Nuclear Dem said...

He "supports the police shootings of innocent unarmed African Americans by the Police."
I'll wait right here for the link thanks.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #316)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:44 AM

318. I thought you were asking about another web site? Which one was it?

The Cave? How are they doing btw? I think I've met a few of them on Discussionist where they are not so 'outspoken'. The jury system, it does work.

Oh no, it was Infowars! How are THEY doing? I'm always impressed with your knowledge of all these sites.



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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #318)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:46 AM

319. No, but you can answer the question.

Or just dodge since we both know you made it up.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #319)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:49 AM

323. Like I said, and seriously, not trying to hurt your feelings again, fishing isn't your

thing. Just go read the thread if there's anything you don't understand, and a few others also. And my advice? Try another sport!

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #323)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:51 AM

325. So, you put words into his mouth.

Enjoy the dishonesty.
Sucks that he fell for your bait, but hopefully he learned not to take you seriously.
No one else does.
Hope that doesn't hurt your feelings...

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Response to zappaman (Reply #325)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 04:11 AM

332. Are you having a bad night?

Lonely? Sad?







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Response to Post removed (Reply #343)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:42 PM

348. Do you have any interest in political issues at all?

I understand that DUers are fascinating people, but most of them don't come here to talk about each other. That's kind of boring.

Eg, how do you feel about the NYPD claiming that Mayer De Blasio and the Protersters 'have blood on their hands'? Do YOU think that particular CT that it was the Mayor and the Protesters who killed those two cops, holds any water whatsoever?

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #348)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:44 PM

349. Still cheering the deaths of these police officers?

Why am I not surprised?

Thanks, I like to know where people stand on the issues.

Oh My Good God! On DU of all places.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5987254

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Response to zappaman (Reply #349)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:54 PM

350. Not interested in political issues at all, then? That's what I assumed

from your comments which are always all about other DUers. At least all the ones I've seen.

Doesn't that ever get boring?

I'm bored now, so I'll leave you to make stuff up about DUers who stand up for the rights of others.



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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #350)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:59 PM

352. Enjoy your happiness over the deaths of two police officers.

I'm sure you'll be back shortly to make up some more stuff about DUers shortly.

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Response to AnalystInParadise (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:07 AM

45. Was this necessary?

I think not. Hide the thread instead of hurling rude commentary. Take a breath and try and enjoy the rest of your weekend.

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Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #45)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:32 AM

52. Yes

 

because we should be tolerant and inclusive of whack job posts.......And for the record that was me being EXTREMELY polite. If I was impolite, I would probably get in a lot of trouble.

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Response to AnalystInParadise (Reply #52)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:22 AM

65. No, sir, you weren't. As witty as you think you might be with your response, it's

indicative that you need a DU break.
Go outside, get a walk in. Come back, and participate in threads you find are more to your liking. Being rude (and I highly doubt you being "impolite" in your words would be much different) is being rude. People need resets when they can't control their posts as evidenced here.
No one asked you to be inclusive.

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Response to ScreamingMeemie (Reply #65)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:53 PM

233. He/she got a break from DU, just not by choice.

 

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Response to Rex (Reply #233)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:58 AM

302. Yes, a well deserved break!

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Response to AnalystInParadise (Reply #52)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:16 AM

75. Is it really so extreme?

Our government will rape, lie, and torture. Why not kill two minority cops to create "heroes" to distract from police violence.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:17 PM

13. Seriously?

Get over yourself.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:22 PM

15. Wow I have been gone a long time

they are piling on malaise.

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Response to Horse with no Name (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:24 PM

16. and showing themselves what they truly are

just because someone asked a question?

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Response to CatWoman (Reply #16)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:26 PM

19. That's a bit more than

 

just asking a question.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:09 AM

304. I remember when I didn't believe the rumors that the US was torturing people

in Iraq, even though I thought Bush was capable of pretty much anything. That just seemed to me something that would NO ONE would support him on.

That was a long time ago. I was so naive back then. I really thought we were the good guys and Bush was just a temporary aberration.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #304)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:19 AM

308. "Back then"?

If you say so.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #308)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:46 AM

321. Did I ever tell you, I hope it doesn't hurt your feelings, but fishing is not your thing!

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #321)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:49 AM

324. Dodging again.

I don't know any good fiction sites since it's not my thing, but you should find one.
Cuz I've yet to read anything from you that was even remotely true.

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Response to CatWoman (Reply #16)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:32 PM

29. I have to wonder how the question should provoke rage. Completely unexpected.

The fury leads one to recognize something else is at play there!

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Response to Judi Lynn (Reply #29)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 11:32 PM

40. yup

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Response to Judi Lynn (Reply #29)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:58 PM

235. Yeah sounds just like the spoiled rotten police union leaders

 

crying over people DARE question their motives! They are cops! How dare we! The same small group of posters sounds just like the union leaders. How DARE we question authority! The very idea is a CT! Their narrative is getting really old and tired - but when that is all you have...what else ya gonna do?

Start telling the truth? Pay attention? Use common sense?

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Response to CatWoman (Reply #16)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 11:58 PM

43. Certainly not just a question.

 

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Response to CatWoman (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:04 AM

90. It goes like this.

When you ask a question, you have presuppositions. You don't ask questions that you think are insane.

"So, how many tons of chocolate coated shrimp do you think the first lady ate for breakfast today?" To ask it is to be a nutjob.

It's a commonplace to intuit that questions have no "truth value"--they don't have a claim on the truth. They don't assert a claim. "It's just a question."

"So, Mr. President, do you still beat your wife?"

The idea that questions are just harmless questions without some kind of embedded claim is straitjacketed early 20th century logic in which humans were automatons. It shows a fake (or stunning ignorant) understanding of how human brains work. We assume that many kinds of questions suppose relevance, some underlying claim taken to be true. Depending on the question, this claim can be easily denied with a yes/no response or it might need a long-winded one. The two goofball questions I wrote above require longer responses. They're inflammatory because they seem to suppose relevance and there's some claim that listeners assume the asker thinks is true. It takes a sentence or two to peel back to the underlying presupposition, the underlying claim. The very fact that they provoke a certain level of outrage is sufficient to show that it's not "just someone asking a question."

The problem is that in understanding a question with an embedded presupposition the listener must assume the presupposition is true. In studies it's been shown that later the rejection of the presupposition might be remembered. It's also possible for the assumption that the presupposition is true to be remembered. The more you challenge the question, think through to the underlying presupposition and consciously deny it, the less likely that is. Most people don't do that. So in asking the question, you wind up getting a certain percentage of people, a month later, to think that you actually made a claim that, for whatever reason, they believed was true.

It's a great rhetorical technique. It's really good for propaganda and advertising, esp. if you don't let the listener have a chance to think through and deny the presupposition. Politicians love asking that kind of question and then quickly moving on to answer it themselves or changing the subject, denying listeners "think time". It's psychological manipulation at its rawest. It's demagoguery at its vilest.

Neutrally phrased questions with no special intonation like "Is Barack Obama President of the United States?" are closer to being truth-neutral. It's hard to not put non-neutral emphasis on obvious questions.

Welcome to a rudimentary psycholinguistic, research-based, data-driven view of questions.

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Response to Igel (Reply #90)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:31 AM

312. Actually, the OP was pretty up front about the reason why the question is being asked.

It's not that deep. People do not trust the police. They kill nearly 500 Americans every year. France's PD kills 0 of its citizens.

So people are suspicious of American police. They have a reputation for brutality, against unarmed people.

They have been take aback at the growing protests against the killing of unarmed citizens, including children.

They are used to getting away with their crimes. So these protests have scared them, caused great anger among their ranks, we've seen that anger displayed, stupidly, on their web sites.

So when a tragedy like this happens, and THEY immediately claim they are 'going to WAR' and totally blame the NYC Mayor for everything, AND the peaceful protesters, it all seems, ODD to say the least.

A terrible tragedy occurred. Period. But not to them, it is being USED by the Police to try to stop the protests.

Something is fishy about that. So people ARE asking questions. We know they lie, they've been caught lying and cheating so often, it's a given.

So, the OP merely put into words what a whole lot of people are wondering.

Of course no one can say one way or the other.

But fair is fair. THEY are blaming perfectly innocent protesters for the tragic deaths of two police officers.

Now people are 'wondering' out loud if maybe THEY might have something to do with it.

See how that works? When you have bad policing, you create a suspicious, untrusting population.

It's bad all around. Which means, the protests must no stop, the distrust that causes the questions PROVES that we have a very big problem with our PDs.

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Response to CatWoman (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:59 PM

180. This is not a question

"It's very neat and convenient - they appear to have been shot by a marksman - two minority cops shot in the head at the same time reforms are demanded and the killer came all the way from Baltimore and just happened to write a farewell note that includes a threat to cops."

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Response to Horse with no Name (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:25 PM

18. Deservedly so.

This was a silly post.

Come on now.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #18)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:26 PM

20. Yeah like we haven't ever used patsies

It was a legit question...no way we have the entire story in a nice neat package hours after the crime.

Regardless, she didn't deserve the pile on. It was just a question.

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Response to Horse with no Name (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:30 PM

24. Reading is a skill.

Look back.

Maybe three were actual "pile-on" posts.

The rest were disagreements.

I reckon she can handle it.

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Response to Horse with no Name (Reply #20)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:12 AM

74. You mean like --

No one is saying anything about Sandy Hook, they're just asking questions. 'Cuz, you know, like we haven't ever used patsies.



Questions, indeed; just not the one's you're hoping for.

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Response to Horse with no Name (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:27 PM

22. It doesn't take long before they show who they are. Spontaneous, unthinking explosions.

Democrats are not racists, as Democrats know.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Reply #22)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:29 PM

23. You'll have to explain

 

What does racism have to do with it?

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Response to philosslayer (Reply #23)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:31 PM

27. +1

 

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Response to Horse with no Name (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:31 PM

28. Accept everything they say

never question anything.

But it is convenient and I will ask questions. Watch everyone who's crawling out of various holes. Nothing they say changes the video with the murder of Eric Garner -that was not Al Sharpton, the Mayor or the protesters.
They intend to silence the protesters with this.
I'm tough - it's water on a duck's back

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Response to malaise (Reply #28)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:38 PM

31. So "they" intend to silence the protesters.

 

By willfully murdered two police officers. And who is this mysterious "they"? Maybe the NYPD themselves? Got any theories?

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Response to philosslayer (Reply #31)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:43 PM

33. Do you know who posted on Instagram?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025986760#post2

I'll take Mediaite over most of you any day of the week.
I'll wait for evidence. I have never been part of the sheeple.

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Response to malaise (Reply #33)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:23 PM

243. Not sure what happened here, but you can be sure that even if it is what it appears to

be it will be used to tell YOU that the problem is NOT cops shooting black people.

count on it

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Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #243)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:57 PM

259. That's the official meme

It's Obama's fault, the Mayor's fault and the 'fault.

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Response to philosslayer (Reply #31)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 04:15 AM

334. They NYPD has murdered innocent unarmed civilians. And they got away with it.

Not all of them of course, but way more than enough.

They have tried to silence protesters, not just those who are protesting the murders by police, but other peaceful protesters also.

People don't trust them. That's THEIR problem.

This is a tragedy, and should be treated as such. For the sake of the families.

However, the NYPD wants to USE it to try to end the protests against THEIR criminal actions.

Why would they want to do that? If they cared about the officers who were killed?

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Response to malaise (Reply #28)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:40 PM

32. That's great. "Water on a duck's back."

I would suggest borrowing it but I might just steal it. I have a favorite, "I'm that pebble in your shoe."

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Response to malaise (Reply #28)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:56 AM

73. "never question anything."

Oh, I having lots of questions.

Probably not the ones you're counting on.

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Response to malaise (Reply #28)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:18 PM

129. That^^^

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Response to malaise (Reply #28)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:03 PM

183. Yeah right.

I assume you were there at the scene?
Cuz otherwise, this statement if yours is full of shit.
"they appear to have been shot by a marksman"

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Response to Horse with no Name (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 04:37 PM

211. Yes you have...

But it's good to see you back (Pssst.. I used to be Walldude)

And yeah Devolution seems to be par for the course here over the past couple years, I drop by every few days to see what some of the old hands are up to, but I don't stay long as it just pisses me off... This thread turned into a mess real quick...

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:24 PM

17. the guy was just a garden-variety gun-humping nutcase

nothing special in America

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Response to Skittles (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:30 PM

25. Got that right. n/t

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Response to Skittles (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:31 PM

26. Exactly. nt

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Response to Skittles (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:38 PM

30. True but give thanks for Mediaite

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025986760

In addition, there have been several unconfirmed reports about a Facebook and Instagram page connected to Brinsley, neither of which include that name.

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Response to malaise (Reply #30)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:43 PM

34. he posted stuff on his girlfriend's instagram account

 

He probably took her phone after shooting her.

Perhaps he posted on her facebook account, too?

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Response to malaise (Reply #30)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:44 PM

36. You are making a fool of yourself here.

Just stop it.

Who do you think killed them? Great conspiracy person that you are? Tell us.

I still remember you and nadin saying that the government had ships of dead folks offshore during a hurricane that did not produce the number of casualties that you would have liked.

Remember that? I do. More utter conspiracy nonsense.

Goodness gracious. Stop it. Or tell us who killed the cops, since you do not believe the official story.

Trashing this thread now.

How sad to be someone who can ignore such a horrid act - instead, using it to make into a story of your own.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #36)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:27 AM

51. WTF?

For real?
I'd love to read that if you have a link.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #51)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 04:42 AM

71. Seconded.

 

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Response to Skittles (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:45 PM

272. +1000. eom

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:26 PM

21. Oh fer fucks sake.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 10:58 PM

37. da fauq?!? *sigh* n/t

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sat Dec 20, 2014, 11:11 PM

39. In the words of the late great Marvin Gaye (out of context):

 

People say believe half of what you see, son
And none of what you hear


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=hajBdDM2qdg

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:05 AM

44. I saw a comment on FB that it's weird that when cops get killed it's always the good ones not

the bad ones. That made me wonder, because I know now that those who want to divide and conquer us will stop at nothing. What better way to fan the flames than to make it look like the good cops are getting killed?

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:09 AM

46. Al Qaeda did it.

That or the CIA!

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:14 AM

47. I'm skeptical also.

The entire situation seems almost designed to discredit any questioning of bad policing.

First appearances can be deceiving.

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Response to 99Forever (Reply #47)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:54 AM

95. I dont know what exactly happened

 

But no shit it looks "designed"!

And it's disgusting that so many are attacking malaise for simply asking a question.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:14 AM

48. k&r....

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:15 AM

49. I knew somebody would peddle this kind of shit here.

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Response to Throd (Reply #49)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 07:45 PM

357. I blame chemtrails.

Although, ironically, promoting that kind of nonsense gets hidden automatically.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:32 AM

53. Double facehoof.

 

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:42 AM

56. ...

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:43 AM

58. Read this..

 

ccording to witnesses, Brinsley walked out of a home with a gun in his hand at 2.47pm, crept up behind the officers' patrol car, and systematically shot both men in the head through the passenger window.

He then walked to the Myrtle/Willoughby G train subway station where he shot himself in the head.

It came two hours after he posted a picture of a gun on Instagram with the chilling message: 'I'm Putting Wings On Pigs Today. They Take 1 Of Ours... Let's Take 2 of Theirs #ShootThePolice #RIPErivGardner (sic) #RIPMikeBrown. This May Be My Final Post. I'm Putting Pigs In A Blanket.'

Tragically, Baltimore police had tried to apprehend Brinsley by alerting the NYPD after his morning shooting - but by the time a wanted flyer was issued, his attack was already under way.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2882105/Two-New-York-police-officers-shot-Brooklyn.html#ixzz3MVKMklyz
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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:58 AM

60. Utterly senseless.

Fucking people think that killing innocents is going to absolve an injustice, not realizing it only makes them so much worse than the perpetrators of the original injustice. Such is terrorism - killing innocent people while stupidly believing that this will somehow right a wrong. Fuck people like this.

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Response to liberalmuse (Reply #60)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:03 AM

62. ...^ that

 

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Response to liberalmuse (Reply #60)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:54 AM

83. Not sure how it makes them worse but I agree it is all bad. nt

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Response to Live and Learn (Reply #83)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:01 PM

237. Turns out the shooter had a history of serious mental issues.

Yet another mentally ill person who was able to access a firearm much more easily (and inexpensively) than obtaining help for his mental issues. THANK YOU, REAGAN! 'Cause, let's face it, when you trace a lot of the preventable and senseless fuckery of the past 40 years, it seems to lead right back to him and the GOP, who don't really give a shit about most people, but they sure like to holler about how it's the liberal's fault when shit they're responsible for eventually hits the fan.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:01 AM

61. America is home to over 300,000,000 people. You're gonna find a few nuts in there.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:10 AM

67. Lone crazed gunman

The PTB have an endless supply of them.

JFK
Malcom X
RFK
MLK
Reagan

And on and on.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:34 AM

68. Hmm.....I don't KNooow....

 

Maybe....

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:48 AM

70. and the NYPD is using it politically.

 

The killing seemed to drive the wedge between Mr. de Blasio and rank-and-file officers even deeper. Video posted online showed dozens of officers turning their backs to the mayor as he walked into anews conference on Saturday night.

“There’s blood on many hands tonight — those that incited violence on the street under the guise of protests, that tried to tear down what New York City police officers did every day," the head of the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association, Patrick Lynch, said outside Woodhull Hospital. He added, “That blood on the hands starts on the steps of City Hall, in the office of the mayor.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/21/nyregion/two-police-officers-shot-in-their-patrol-car-in-brooklyn.html

I agree, it looks very neat.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:16 AM

76. the illuminati???

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:27 AM

77. Ismaaiyl Brinsley

Last known address Georgia.

He shot/wounded an ex girlfriend in Baltimore first.

He used a Taurus firearm (pistol).

He had a long record - and STILL - he had a gun.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:30 AM

79. K&R

for pissing off all the right people!

So entertaining to watch them throw their temper tantrum. The kicking and screaming! The crying and gnashing!

Gold, Malaise! Gold!


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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #79)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:12 PM

239. .

 

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #79)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:27 PM

244. I know, right...I just love watching them go nuts...very entertaining.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:49 AM

80. I think you present a realistic question...

The thoughts arise in many of us, to be suspicious, to question the origin. And no, we definitely do not trust law enforcement. I think healthy discussion is reasonable.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #80)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:50 AM

84. and that realistic question is...

Is the NYPD false flag killing its own officers in order to deflect some of the bad press they've been receiving lately?

Next week on "Reasonable Questions": the Reichstag fire. Could the NYPD have been responsible?

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Response to shaayecanaan (Reply #84)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:18 AM

87. I validate the discussion process.

Analysis is essential in effort to move forward.

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Response to shaayecanaan (Reply #84)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 04:55 AM

337. Another realistic question. Has the NYPD ever murdered any of its citizens

and gotten away with it?

Let's see, why yes, they have. Who would think that in a civilized society the civilian police could rack up all those dead citizens?

Next week on 'Reasonable Questions': The invasion of a sovereign nation, the killing of one million of citizens, torture, ransacking of its natural resources. Could the US be responsible?

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:57 AM

85. Benghazi was behind it.

 

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:57 AM

86. skepticism is to be expected

when we live in such corrupt times. When those who are murdered are considered by some as useless and not worthy of life or their mourners are ridiculed and not allowed to grieve in peace.

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Response to UglyGreed (Reply #86)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:45 PM

114. Exactly. nt

 

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:39 AM

88. A nutjob killed them, who was inspired by all the irresponsible rhetoric saying "all cops are bad"

 

Rhetoric like "all cops are racist pigs" "cops are all guilty because they don't speak up enough" "they are all thugs with badges", etc.

When you foment hate with that extreme rhetoric, you inspire some who are unbalanced to take it too far.

Its the EXACT same thing as the teabaggers after some indictment of terrorism saying "all Muslims are terrorists" "all Muslims are guilty because they don't speak up enough" "all Muslims are evil".

And we speak out against that kind of blanket hate because it is wrong and, just like in this case, it pushes some unhinged people over the edge to violence.

If you are using against cops the exact same kind of rhetoric you denounce as irresponsible against other groups, you are part of the problem that created this. The same way all those who call all Muslims terrorists bear some blame when some nutjob attacks an innocent Muslim.

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #88)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:33 PM

161. But I haven't heard any protester at all try to foment war

I have heard them demand justice, demand that cops stop murdering people and demand that they stop using miltary tanks and other weapons to combat protesters.

It's NOT the same. And the fact is cops are getting aay with their crimes and with what they do to people. Look at that little toddler who had a flash grenade thrown at him or the 7-year-old child shot in her own bed during a raid.

When people see justice, when they see that the cops who harmed these kids don't get away with it, they have faith in cops.

When cops get away with killing a 12-year-old with a toy gun or choking a man to death over cigarettes and there is no accounting, people very rightly get very angry.

Even of nobody protested; even if nobody said anything publicly, do you think all the people in the US who have been abused, had family members killed, had their money stolen all by cops, do you think those people only feel pain or get angry when protesters point it out?

Do you think maybe a lot of people have been suffering in silence for YEARS out of fear? Do you think if we just sweep all of the cop corruption under the rug, that nobody will be angry with cops? You live in a dream world if you think that.

This man was a nut most likely, who just went out of his head. He wasn't motivated by anything protesters did or said. He was motivated by his own anger and prejudice and inability to cope with either.


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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #161)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:32 PM

205. You did not hear the protesters chanting in NY last week "What do we want? Dead cops! When do

we want them? Now!"?

Here is a link:


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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:42 AM

89. Stochastic terrorism goes both ways, I guess...

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:21 AM

93. Who killed the police officers is an answered question


Why this person killed these police officers will be exploited by persons with extreme views and objectives.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:48 AM

94. It's threads like this that make DU a laughing stock

and mean that, when we say "look at the loony RW conspiracy theorists" for something else, people will say "yeah, well, you post on a board that had 33 recs for a wing-nut conspiracy theory saying the cops were shot by a marksman, and it looked too neat".

33 recs.

Threads like this make DU suck.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #94)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:57 AM

96. Trying to shut people up is what "makes DU suck", not asking a question , or showing doubt.

 

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #96)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:12 PM

100. Igel expresses the reality of 'asking a question' in #90

By doing it, you are suggesting that it could be reality. That the witnesses who saw it are all in on the conspiracy, and that some 'marksman' somewhere did it instead. That the witnesses who saw the guy run into the subway and shoot himself are also all liars in the pay of the unknown people for whom you think that this is 'neat'.

There is such a thing as a dumb question, and the OP is an example.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #100)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:23 PM

104. Niether you nor I were there or know the details of what caused this tragedy

 

But the truth is that freedom of thought and expression ( within the TOS of course ) is not what "makes DU suck".
It is posts which try to shut people up and belittle them, and tell them they need "tinfoil hats", like a poster above, or curse the OP , like another did upthread.

We are different people, with different backgrounds and different life experiences. We should be able to ask questions and pose doubt, within the terms of service and community standards.
I do not know what happened. But the police have lied and forged reports so many times, not just here in the US, but all over the world. Why should they be allowed to forge reality and get away with it, yet, by some here, the OP shouldn't ask any questions 're what happened?
She didn't violate the TOS, or community standards. Yet other DUrs think it's ok to belittle her and even curse her out ( see the hidden post). That is what "makes DU suck"; not expressing doubts about the official story of an event no one here participated in.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #104)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:32 PM

109. it's not about police reports; it's about the news reports, from eye-witnesses

They were there interviewing people. How big a conspiracy do you think it's worth saying "I'm only asking a question" about? Are the people who ask "was it holograms and not airplanes that 'crashed' into the WTC?" "only asking a question"?

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #109)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:38 PM

110. News reports nor eye witnesses know what fueled/caused this.

 

Allow me to respectfully ask you WHY are you tying me ( or the OP) with the WTC conspiracies?? Have either of us posted anything about that? I at least, I have not.
You're trying to establish a pattern, where there is none.

The OP is not what "makes DU suck", this kind of accusations are though, if anything.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #110)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:15 PM

127. Because both are questioning large numbers of eye-witnesses

in favour of some huge conspiracy theory that some group of people want people killed to 'look neat'.

Yes, there is a pattern of paranoid conspiracy theory in the USA. DU is sadly part of that. The OP is an example.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #127)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:28 PM

135. Do eyewitnesses know more beyond what they saw?

 

They do not.
Which gives room for questions and doubt.

Again, it is not true that "DU sucks" because someone asks a question.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #135)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:46 PM

145. That they saw someone shoot them from close range through the window

and not a 'marksman'? That they saw the guy run into the subway? That an armed man with the same description shot himself in the subway?

What's to question? Bullshit about a 'marksman' is on the level of 'hologram'.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #145)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:00 PM

150. A lot is to question and is our right to do so.

 

I am asking you again, what did I or the OP out had to do with WTC ???

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Response to Post removed (Reply #152)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:09 PM

153. No one did that. Who are you quotting there??

 

Certainly not me or the OP.

Quote marks are for quoting, not emphasizing something you want to emphasize.

Please use them accordingly.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #153)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:18 PM

240. They have nothing, so your confusion is warranted.

 

Their hidden posts in this thread speak volumes for how much they hate free speech imo. DU1 and DU2 were great for open expression of ideas...DU3 not even close.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #104)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:45 PM

144. Well said

I always ask questions - I don't care who is upset by them.

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Response to malaise (Reply #144)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:33 PM

248. Rightwingers hate it when you ask questions...I know that from personal experience

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #94)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:46 PM

166. That's very strange...

I'm not laughing about what the OP sets forth at all. What I think some may take more pleasure in THEIR reaction here when reading is how certain internet boards cannibalize each other's discussion.

Your aim is to end discussion because it rates right up there as a laughing stock. But, you have no basis for that. It's your homemade petard in an otherwise discussion. Well, that's okay for you, but… geez...

That didn't work very well, as evidenced by the reasons within this very thread set forth.

You might be into the "recs" = external validation of reality. Well, good luck with that.

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Response to MrMickeysMom (Reply #166)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:45 PM

207. Do you think the Garner family is wondering if it wasn't Brinsley? If Al Sharpton thinks that?

There has been no 'reason' set forth in this thread that gives any decent excuse for putting forth bollocks like "a marksman did it". It's complete rubbish. Everyone, apart from, apparently, 34 (when I last looked) DUers knows who did it. That some marksman killed the officers is as foolish a theory as Bush using HAARP to cause the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami.

"I'm only asking" is a slimy attempt to weasel out of something that is normally derided on DU. If a newbie came up with this crap, they'd run the risk of MIRT banning them as an obvious parody.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #207)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 04:05 PM

209. That shouldn't be the focus of what this is about at all..

What is the point of being moved in this discussion over what the Garner family is wondering, or what an Al Sharpton says?

I look at the probability that a non-marksman -v- a marksman did it, and will find one news source that sides with marksman already here.

To then discuss the "why" in this crime is not a foolish consideration, or do you think it must be? To use logical fallacy to support the foolishness is an even less thoughtful response. "something that is normally derided on DU" by a newbie? I don't recall being derided when I was.

You are clearly moved by how comment invites scorn. Do you actually fear MIRT for linking civil unrest and exacerbation of the tension associated with a police state in this country as a result of these crimes? The day that this is the DU rule is the day I say, "buh-bye".

Your comment, "they'd run the risk of MIRT banning them" seems to motivate your opinion in an otherwise discussion. If MIRT thought my discussion on this board was yelling, "fire!", I think they'll not waste time in saying so.

Meanwhile, I'd recommend a cool grip on logic with fear, as they are meant to be mutually exclusive.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:30 PM

107. It's a little too pat for me, too

It could, of course, be true, stranger things than this have been proven to be true.

However, the package is tied up just a little too neatly for me.

We live in a time when cynicism is vital.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #107)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:42 PM

112. That is exactly what the Sandy Hook truthers say

 

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Response to melman (Reply #112)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:43 PM

113. Well, it's just a little bit different

because the shooter took his own life right in the middle of the carnage he caused.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #107)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:12 PM

154. Shhhhhhhhhhhh

Just ask the war criminal of a Dick

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:52 PM

117. I see no reason to doubt the story as it's come to us, save for a the

 

repeated media description of the shooting as an "execution style" killing. As I understand it, an execution style murder is one where the victim(s) are already under the physical control of the assailant.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:22 PM

133. Huh/NT

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #133)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:34 PM

138. Thanks for the kick. nt

 

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:42 PM

142. if law enforcement uses this one isolated incident to declare war on the citizens of NY,

then yes, it was way to convenient.


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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:57 PM

148. They weren't shot by a marksman. It was point blank.

It's not out of the ordinary for someone to shoot two people in the head when they have both the element of surprise and targets at a short distance.

Plus, the hole in this being a conspiracy of some sort is that the guy killed his girlfriend before he killed the cops. He was obviously crazy and just wanted to go out in style.

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Response to chrisa (Reply #148)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:05 PM

151. You werent there.

 

Just your interpretation of presented "facts".

OP is allowed to ask questions.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #151)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:43 PM

206. The gunman was right up against the police car they were in.

See this article from the NY Post: http://nypost.com/2014/12/20/2-nypd-cops-shot-execution-style-in-brooklyn/

He didn't need to be a good shot at all. Plus, his girlfriend was also killed by him.

It's not that the OP isn't allowed to ask questions. It's that this case is pretty straightforward from the evidence and probably not a conspiracy.

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Response to chrisa (Reply #206)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 05:03 PM

213. His GF isn't dead, he shot her in the stomach,

she's in critical, but stable condition, other than that, you're spot on.

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Response to GGJohn (Reply #213)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:43 PM

228. Yup, you're right - she isn't dead. Sorry

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Response to chrisa (Reply #148)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:23 AM

309. oh they've got that covered, chrisa

someone "talked him into it"

gawd

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Response to Skittles (Reply #309)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:27 AM

310. You called it.


Would be nice if the OP would explain how it appears they were shot by "marksmen".

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Response to zappaman (Reply #310)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:28 AM

311. aw don't you know?

point-blank = expert marksmen

yes INDEED

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Response to Skittles (Reply #311)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:33 AM

315. Here on DU, we have experts in other countries...

who know a murder by "expert marksmen" when they see...er...read about it on the internet.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:37 PM

163. For those of you who don't believe

That Ismaaiyl Brinsley shot and wounded his ex girlfriend and then shot and killed these two officers.

Who did you think did it? If it wasn't him there is a dangerous killer on the loose that needs to be brought to justice.

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Response to wingzeroday (Reply #163)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:48 PM

167. I don't think anyone said anything about what they believe

The OP was just asking questions and speculating out loud.

Lots of things aren't as they first appear.


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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #167)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:56 PM

173. This is not a question.

"It's very neat and convenient - they appear to have been shot by a marksman - two minority cops shot in the head at the same time reforms are demanded and the killer came all the way from Baltimore and just happened to write a farewell note that includes a threat to cops."

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Response to zappaman (Reply #173)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:59 PM

179. No, that was an observation

It was not a statement, but a followup to explain the question.

Nowhere does the OP state any belief one way or the other. In fact, she closes by saying she is skeptical of everything.

In this day and age, NOT being skeptical is the real fool's game. You have to be sort of thick headed or naive to not question EVERYTHING.

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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #179)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:01 PM

181. Uh huh.

Keep trying.
"They appear to have been shot by a marksman"

Says who?
Oh right, the OP, who I assume must have been at the scene to make that particular statement.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #186)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:11 PM

187. No.

I just find ludicrous speculations like the OP or those that think Sandy Hook was a false flag deserve scorn and ridicule.
You can support them all you want.
Poor dear.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #187)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:14 PM

190. Sandy Hook deniers are pigs

nowhere did the OP claim the officers didn't die.

The Sandy Hook denier goons claim no kids were killed at all.

There is a significant difference. if you can't see that, that is your problem.

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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #190)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:24 PM

197. But but

They're just "asking questions" and making "observations".
Maybe you can clarify the difference, sweetie.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #186)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:15 PM

192. ROFL

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Response to malaise (Reply #192)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:17 PM

193. You jest better stop astin' all these hyere questions, Missy!


My god, the trauma you have unleashed today!

I hope Santa brings you EVERYTHING you want.

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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #193)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:27 PM

198. I'd like Santa to continue to guarantee our right to

ask questions .
Hope all your dreams come true

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Response to malaise (Reply #198)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:29 PM

201. This is a question?

"It's very neat and convenient - they appear to have been shot by a marksman - two minority cops shot in the head at the same time reforms are demanded and the killer came all the way from Baltimore and just happened to write a farewell note that includes a threat to cops."

Perhaps you can tell us how you know "they appear to have been shot by a marksman"?
But, don't worry about me since I won't be holding my breath for an answer.

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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #193)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 01:33 AM

278. I agree interesting how some reacted......

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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #167)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:49 PM

208. Indeed

Asking questions is always a good thing.

Which is why I did so.

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Response to wingzeroday (Reply #163)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 04:28 PM

210. Wouldn't surprise me if the NORKs were behind it.

 

Does Kim Jung-Un have an alibi?

I mean why not?

Makes as about much sense and just as plausible as the OP's suggestion.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:20 PM

195. In defense of malaise

 

Not everything is as it appears to be at first sight. This may have been just a case of someone erroneously thinking that their killing innocent officers is justified by officers killing innocents like Michael Brown and Eric Garner. This may have been more. Just because right-wingers like to think every shooting is a false flag operation meant to persuade the people to get rid of their precious guns does not mean there are never any crimes staged for propaganda purposes. It's important to always keep an open mind.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:30 PM

202. Linking the shootings by a nutbag to the protests is wrong.

 

However, linking it to the need for gun control is not.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 06:38 PM

218. "they appear to have been shot by a marksman"

Still waiting to find out how you came to this conclusion.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:21 PM

221. The default setting of a critically thinking person

 

should always be PROVE IT and to question everything.

There is no evidence the accused dead guy did this. There is also no evidence that he shot himself in the head. There is no proof that someone else didn't create those Instigram and Facebook pages.

Who benefits from these cops being shot? The police state. It creates a demand for law and order and bolsters the fiction that cops are innocent heroes sacrificing their lives for our "safety". How do we know that some unknown entities didn't order a hit on some random cops in order to achieve exactly what's happening? We don't.

Did people on DU automatically believe that Mike Brown reached inside that cop car in Ferguson? Why do they automatically believe this story?

Good post, malaise.

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Response to Boreal (Reply #221)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:31 PM

223. But getting off the questioning train before it steams into Crackpot Junction is important.

To suggest that the NYPD is killing its own for political gain is just fucking dumb.

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Response to Throd (Reply #223)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:39 PM

225. "they appear to have been shot by a marksman"

Says the OP who won't tell us how they arrived at this conclusion.

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Response to Throd (Reply #223)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:39 PM

226. I didn't say that

 

so don't put words in my mouth, m'kay?

You aren't going to shut down honest and valid questions by saying they are "crackpot", either. Nice try, though.

Now, PROVE this guy from Georgia shot those cops and then killed himself.

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Response to Boreal (Reply #226)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:48 PM

231. I find this particular question neither honest nor valid.

Let's wait a few days and see where this goes. If these two cops turn out to have been shot by an expert marksman, well, I owe you a Coke

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Response to Boreal (Reply #226)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:47 PM

252. Show me an 'honest and valid question', and you might have a point.

Otherwise?



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Response to X_Digger (Reply #252)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:54 PM

256. Gladly

 

Who shot those cops? Where is the evidence that the accused did it? Where is the evidence he's the one who shot himself? Accusations and assertions are not evidence, btw.

Pretty fundamental and reasonable questions to want answered when three people are dead.

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Response to Boreal (Reply #256)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:58 PM

260. Still waiting. I imagine I will be for a while, if that's what you consider a valid question.

Hint: pick up a fucking paper and read the first hand accounts.

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Response to Throd (Reply #223)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:44 PM

229. He blew past Crackpot Junction, and careened full speed into Asylum Station. nt

 

These unfounded conspiracy posts do not help Democrats.

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Response to Throd (Reply #223)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:21 PM

242. Do we have any evidence of the official story regarding this tragedy? If you have

access to actual evidence, it would be appreciated, thank you.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #242)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 01:44 AM

281. what evidence do YOU have?

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Response to Skittles (Reply #281)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 01:52 AM

283. Absolutely none. Which is why I asked the question.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #283)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:08 AM

286. which is why you're speculating this was some kind of setup?

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Response to Skittles (Reply #286)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:36 AM

293. The tragedy is being used by the NYPD to try to stop the protests against

police brutality. That is reprehensible. It was a terrible tragedy, as was the killing of Michael Brown and all the other African Americans, including even children, killed by cops.

One has nothing to do with the other, so why are they using a tragedy to try to silence legitimate protests against the killing of unarmed citizens?

IF they cared about those two police officers they would definitely not be trying to connect the tragedy to people exercising their constitutional rights.

The very fact that people are questioning the evidence demonstrates how bad the relationship is between the cops and the people. How little the people trust them. That is THEIR fault.

I am asking questions. Which is different to speculating. Speculating would mean providing an alternative to what we have been told.

And maybe if they did not declare WAR on the NYC Mayor and whoever else they are declaring war against, people would not be wondering why they are so cynically using the deaths of two human beings for their own purposes.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #293)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:19 AM

307. yes, certain people are taking adavantage and it is vile

but to suggest they killed their own for this advantage is vile too

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Response to Skittles (Reply #307)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 04:46 AM

335. Using the tragic deaths of their own, to try to silence people who have a legitmate

cause is vile enough. And if they can be that vile, is it any wonder that people are going to question the reasons why?

If they can be vile enough to kill unarmed citizens, to target minorities for harassment, to lie to get convictions of minorities. They allowed Frank Serpico to be shot because he didn't want to participate in their corruption. He was one of their own.

As things appear right now, those cops were murdered by a lunatic.

And unless they stop trying to use that tragedy to silence those who are protesting the murders of other, just as valuable, just as loved, unarmed, citizens, they can expect that people WILL question their motives.

I will not blame anyone who is suspicious of them. They earned that suspicion.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #335)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 04:51 AM

336. "As things appear right now, those cops were murdered by a lunatic."

CORRECT

you accuse others of fanning flames, then do it yourself

NOTHING GETS SOLVED

police brutality is wrong, and peacful protests are right, but blaming this nutcase on the protests is WRONG and blaming the Brooklyn deaths on the police is WRONG

JUST STOP

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Response to Skittles (Reply #336)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 12:41 PM

342. Blaming the Brooklyn deaths on the protesters is vile beyond belief.

And what do you mean by this? 'JUST STOP"! Stop what? You can find cop sites all over the internet. Go sign up and tell THEM to JUST STOP!

I am stating and will continue to do so, that, when the NYPD points at Mayor de Blasio AND the protesters and states that 'there is blood on many hands' THAT IS VILE!

Any reaction they get to that is DESERVED.

And do not issue orders to me. You may do as you please, without any orders from me, and regardless of your orders, so will I.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #342)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 06:29 PM

354. I'm glad to see the families of Mr. Brown and Mr. Garner rise above this crap

yes indeed

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Response to Skittles (Reply #354)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 07:13 PM

355. I'm sorry to see such decent people have their dead loved ones so

diminished and the lying NYPD try to connect to them to two tragic deaths.

We KNOW they are decent people. Not sure why you needed to reiterate what is known. And that is all the more reason why what is being done to them is so contemptible.

It's no hard to rise above the gutter and I am glad to see so many people coming out and supporting them and refusing to fall for the devious, deceptive par for the course actions of the NYPD.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #355)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 08:37 PM

358. done here

this is fucking pointless

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Response to Skittles (Reply #358)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 08:47 PM

359. I'm done here. You came here to lecture people who don't need

any lectures about these issues.

Many have had their own experiences with these cops. And you expect people to do what? 'Just Stop'!! Stop what? Stop reacting to the latest outrage by the NYPD? Their attack on a good Mayor, their disrespect for the office, their egregious attempt to BLAME the people who are victims of their abuse?

I haven't heard any of the 'good cops' speak to their leaders and as them to stop. They are out of line to say the least, and we are supposed to act like sheep? No, they need to hear from people who are not blind to what they are doing.

And what they are doing is despicable, contemptible and vile.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #359)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 10:29 PM

363. Well Thank God

What an insufferable PHONY.

You don't give a rat's ass about these people, not one WHIT. The only thing you seem to care about is playing some kind of bizarre gotcha game up and down this thread. It's almost like some kind of manic behavior. Who the hell do you think you are to tell ANYBODY on this board:

So you support the police shootings of innocent
unarmed African Americans by the Police. Thanks, I like to know where people stand on the issues.


This is just fucking stupid. And I've seen you do this very thing too many times to count, as if it's some kind of brilliant Perry fucking Mason moment. It's not.

I've seen enough of your self-righteous, condescending, phony, game-playing, rambling nonsense. You have the self-awareness of a doorknob, and your sorry ass is finally going straight to ignore the minute I hit POST.

Like I said upthread, I cannot stand your brand of snide dishonesty, and sometimes taking a hide is just worth it. This is one of those times.

Take your putrid faux concern and shove it.

NOW we're done here.

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #363)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 02:34 PM

364. Righteous!!...nt

Sid

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Response to Bobbie Jo (Reply #363)

Tue Dec 23, 2014, 03:56 PM

365. Is there some reason why you are talking to me?

It must be obvious by now, that the people whose opinions matter to me are in the majority here on DU, thankfully.

The rest get all the respect they deserve.

We were 'done' a long time ago.

Read your own post again and consider it addressed to yourself.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:39 PM

227. I think there was a second shooter.

 

He was probably hiding behind a grassy knoll . . .

Prove there wasn't . . .


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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:27 PM

245. Wow! You sure did make some 'liberals' upset with your OP! The foaming at the mouth

 

seems to have caused a few potty mouths to end up flagged for review (tsk tsk).

K&R for indirectly causing some of the worst to now be in time out land!



Can you believe people here claim to be liberal, but hate it that you have the right to free speech?

Ya me either.

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Response to Rex (Reply #245)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:32 PM

247. Since the OP refuses to tell us why this attack looks like it was done by "trained marksmen"

Perhaps you could help her out?

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Response to zappaman (Reply #247)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:39 PM

250. Maybe he believes it, because the papers keep using "execution style" to hype the story?

 

Why did he run into a subway if he was going to kill himself anyway? Why not do it right there after killing the cops? Why make it look like you are attempting to flee? Why even flee?

Yeah...simple questions I know, that horrible free speech stuff.

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Response to Rex (Reply #250)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:44 PM

251. So there is a script he strayed from?

I didn't know there was protocol to be adhered to when killing cops and then offing yourself.

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Response to Throd (Reply #251)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:48 PM

253. Script? Who mentioned that? You never speculate about anything?

 

On DU, we are allowed to discuss issues ranging from speculation to debating facts from different sources.

Free speech seems to cause a lot of ruffled feathers, strange but true.

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Response to Rex (Reply #253)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 10:53 AM

341. Actually Rex, here on DU conspiracy theories are, or WERE, not allowed in GD.

 

And Malaise danced around the edges of suggesting this was a conspiracy. She apparently didn't have the guts to outright suggest what she was thinking.

And in your above post you suggest there is something odd about the guy who executed those cops running into a subway and then offing himself. Otherwise, why question the facts.

This is the leftwing equivalent of the Sandy Hook denier conspiracy kooks.

That's why it has created a reaction amongst us SANE liberals.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #341)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:29 PM

346. Oh go cry me a river, seriously I guess you can't be bothered to use ignore thread.

 

And DU has always had people speculating in GD since it began, seriously nice try. Take it up with the OP, you all crying in fake outrage really are sad/amusing.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #341)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 07:43 PM

356. Actually CTs are still not allowed in GD. The OP was not peddling any theory, she was

asking what many people have been asking. And it's no CT to understand how reviled our Civilian PDs have become which the reason for people questioning anything that emanates from them. Especially when they jump on it and attempt to use for their own benefit.

If they had simply treated this tragedy for what it was, a terrible tragedy, like the killing of Michael Brown was a terrible tragedy no one would be wondering why they jumped on it so quickly and so inappropriately to place the blame for those horrific killings directly on Mayor De Blasio and the Protesters.

Now THAT is a CT. I am sure you will have to agree.

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Response to Rex (Reply #250)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:55 PM

257. Golly, I guess we will never know every single answer

As to what a psycho decided to do.
BTW, "they appear to have been shot by a marksmen" is not a question.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #257)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:02 PM

264. You keep saying that and I am not saying it is not a question.

 

They appear to have been killed by a psycho is as far as I will go. Maybe the OP will respond to you, but you asked me so I just gave you a few easy questions to speculate on.

Why would you ever believe you will know every single answer? We will never know why JFK was assassinated. We will probably never know why 9/11 wasn't prevented. Just the big questions being answered, would be nice for a change.

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Response to Rex (Reply #245)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:51 PM

254. Free protip- there is no 'free speech' on DU. Not in a 1st amendment way.

Skinner could say that the word 'christian' or 'muslim' or 'blue' or 'liberal'- is forbidden, and you'd have no recourse but to live with it, regardless of 'freedom of expression' or 'freedom of speech'.

Now if this were a government owned & ran forum, then you might have a point.

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Response to X_Digger (Reply #254)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:05 PM

267. Okay then, a freedom to express your opinion within TOS guidelines.

 

Which does mean speculation like in the OP, sorry but thems the breaks.

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Response to Rex (Reply #267)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:26 PM

269. Thanks- folks muddy that concept way too much for me to pass it by.

I swear, too many folks have forgotten their 10th grade civics/govt classes.

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Response to X_Digger (Reply #269)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:32 PM

270. Hmmm I will now refer to it as DU free speech

 

And I still stand by my claim that some here loath the idea of others expressing diverse ideas.

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Response to Rex (Reply #245)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 02:12 AM

288. free speech is one thing

getting called out for BS is.....well, FREE SPEECH

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Response to Skittles (Reply #288)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:43 AM

317. Foaming at the mouth over speculation is really stupid.

 

Just like all the idiots that cried about LIHOP and MIHOP, they just couldn't handle some other observation.

I have no more idea what happened to those three people than you do. I could really care less if the OP speculates it was green men from Mars. It really won't change jack shit either way.

AND it is about the LAST thing on DU that makes it suck. There is so much more ahead of speculation imo.

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Response to Rex (Reply #317)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:46 AM

320. some shit I see just makes me shake my head

just because you can doesn't you won't be called out for it

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Response to Skittles (Reply #320)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:48 AM

322. Yeah that is obvious by the replies in this thread.

 

That free speech stuff.

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Response to Rex (Reply #322)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:53 AM

326. It's a privately owned website.

"Free speech" is according to the guy or guys that started it.
Might be time to put that canard to rest.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #326)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:55 AM

327. Hey don't be angry at me.

 

Yeah DU free speech...what you gonna do? Fuming about something never helps.

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Response to Rex (Reply #327)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 03:56 AM

329. I'm not angry at you at all.

Unlike others in this thread, you aren't making shit up.
Just don't think "free speech" applies to this site.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #329)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 04:07 AM

331. Sorry, DU free speech.

 

I have no idea what happened, but getting out of sorts over this won't make any difference. I call it speculation, you call it something else down thread. The OP won't answer you, I see that.

Just no need to get upset, I see skittles getting pissed. I understand, I have no idea what marksmen means here. I would say more like madman with a firearm. However, you know I can speculate on just about anything. So when you ask me, I'll give you all kinds of questions of what if.

As far as facts go, I read he was involved with a prison gang that threatened to kill cops. I didn't notice if that was even brought up to the OP.

We do have some free speech here, thankfully. Otherwise this thread would be all mod deletes like on DU2.



Like I said up thread, I will call it DU free speech.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:55 PM

258. Marksman?

I don't know about that, but until video surfaces with undeniable proof, no we don't actually know who killed them. However, all signs seem to point towards the alleged crim. Currently, the news is suggesting that he bragged to a couple folks right before doing it.

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Response to flvegan (Reply #258)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:58 PM

261. The same one that shot Dale Earnhardt.

Show me the proof it wasn't an accident.

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Response to Throd (Reply #261)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:01 PM

263. Shot Dale Earnhardt?

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Response to flvegan (Reply #263)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:04 PM

266. I figured while we're making up "marksman" theories...

The one that shot Dale was extra skilled, him zooming at 200mph and all.

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Response to Throd (Reply #266)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:16 PM

268. Aha!

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:59 PM

262. What "we" believe

 

That is a very good question, and much less a statement of "fact".

I, myself, believe that we mostly all are free to follow that which we believe to be true. Truth is a tangible yet elusive fact of life. Emotion tends to lead most humans to their acts and beliefs. The ability to accept facts as we understand them can lead to individual bias.

Someone famous once said "the truth will set you free". Truth is a nested routine in honesty.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:02 PM

265. We don't know who shot them. You're not the only one asking this question.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #265)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 09:55 PM