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Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:38 AM

Slip of an Officer’s Tongue Suggests Police Are Monitoring #BlackLivesMatter Protesters’ Cell Phones


from In These Times:


Slip of an Officer’s Tongue Suggests Police Are Monitoring #BlackLivesMatter Protesters’ Cell Phones
Are Chicago police using ‘stingrays’ against activists?

BY JOEL HANDLEY


“We Surveil and Protect” is an ongoing investigation into the techniques and technology that the Chicago Police Department employs to spy on activists, unions and heavily policed communities of color.


A police officer’s blunder appears to have shed a thin ray of light on one of the Chicago Police Department’s most closely held secrets.

During a Black Friday Boycott march, one of many Ferguson-related demonstrations held that week, a Chicago police officer radioed the city’s “fusion center,” where the city police collaborate with the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security, among many other agencies.

Officer: “Yeah, one of the girls, she's kind of an organizer here, she’s been on her phone a lot. You guys picking up any information, uh, where they’re going, possibly?”

Crime Prevention and Information Center (CPIC): “Yeah, we’re keeping an eye on it. We’ll let you know if we hear anything.”


A member of an online subculture of police scanner enthusiasts caught the call as it came in on Chicago Citywide 6—the police band used for special events—and paraphrased it on Twitter. Protesters seized upon the information, widely sharing it online. Later that week, Anonymous published a video of the call and transcript, dramatized with music and voiceover assurances from President Obama that the government is not listening to citizens’ phone calls. ................(more)

The complete piece is at: http://inthesetimes.com/article/17476/a_slip_of_an_officers_tongue_suggests_police_are_monitoring_ferguson_protes



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Reply Slip of an Officer’s Tongue Suggests Police Are Monitoring #BlackLivesMatter Protesters’ Cell Phones (Original post)
marmar Dec 2014 OP
Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #1
GreatGazoo Dec 2014 #2
Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #3
localroger Dec 2014 #4
okaawhatever Dec 2014 #24
localroger Dec 2014 #30
okaawhatever Dec 2014 #33
Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #37
Demit Dec 2014 #8
Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #18
L0oniX Dec 2014 #5
barbtries Dec 2014 #6
Brigid Dec 2014 #19
barbtries Dec 2014 #21
Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #7
Live and Learn Dec 2014 #9
daredtowork Dec 2014 #15
Live and Learn Dec 2014 #16
daredtowork Dec 2014 #17
jwirr Dec 2014 #25
Brigid Dec 2014 #22
pnwmom Dec 2014 #10
Live and Learn Dec 2014 #20
pnwmom Dec 2014 #26
Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #34
Javaman Dec 2014 #11
azmom Dec 2014 #27
mopinko Dec 2014 #12
PumpkinAle Dec 2014 #13
daredtowork Dec 2014 #14
jwirr Dec 2014 #23
demigoddess Dec 2014 #28
JEB Dec 2014 #29
Jim Beard Dec 2014 #31
JonLP24 Dec 2014 #32
Sparhawk60 Dec 2014 #36
countryjake Dec 2014 #35
Jesus Malverde Dec 2014 #38
xchrom Dec 2014 #39

Response to marmar (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:47 AM

1. Juicy





Shout out to the overweight brothers and sisters at the fusions centers around the world.

10-4

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 10:57 AM

2. so if the call was monitored DURING a "Black Friday Boycott march" is it possible that

the caller was within earshot of others? For example if she is part of the March and the march is infiltrated then someone can hear her calls without any fancy wiretapping.

The phrase "she's on her phone a lot" suggests someone watching her visually, not electronically. If she was monitored electroically they may have been inclined to say something more like "she is calling news organizations" or whoever. Also the phrase "we'll keep an eye on it" suggests visual monitoring.

Not saying that it doesn't fit at all with a phone tap just that it is unclear and there is no expectation of privacy when making calls from the middle of a public march with 100s of people around you.

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Response to GreatGazoo (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:01 AM

3. stingray wiretaps

suck up all the phones in an area whether they are being actively used or not. They imitate a cell phone companies tower. If ya want to make mischief leave the phone at home, if you use it assume someone is listening.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/10/stingrays-biggest-unknown-technological-threat-cell-phone-privacy

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Response to GreatGazoo (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:05 AM

4. The implication is pretty clear

"She's on her phone a lot" is obviously someone observing visually. This person asking a second, specifically because she's on her phone a lot, for more information. The only reason to make such a request is if the second person specifically has access to some kind of information connected to her use of the phone. It really makes no sense at all unless the first person knows the second person has the phone tapped.

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Response to localroger (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:53 PM

24. Not necessarily. . During the protests in NYC they had plain clothes officers walking with the crowd

trying to identify leaders and listen to the directions they were giving fellow marchers. The police were trying to figure out which direction the marchers were headed so they could kettle them. It sounds more like a uniformed police officer on the sidelines calling command to see if an undercover was around this woman listening to her calls. Remember in Oakland how the crowd identified the two undercover cops walking with them? The marchers were told of the police tactics and what to look out for.

The goal of the NYC police was to try and figure out the route the protesters were taking so they could cut them off. One of the things the protesters did really well was continually change course to avoid being trapped.

While the police may have been listening to phone calls, it doesn't make sense that they would use the stingray because there was too much phone traffic to weed through. Unless they had the specific telephone numbers of the leaders it would take too much time and manpower to sift through all the random calls produced when thousands of people are gathered. Especially when there wasn't much that was secret. The leaders and marchers were posting everything on Twitter

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Response to okaawhatever (Reply #24)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 05:56 PM

30. Still makes no sense

"Using her phone a lot" is the pretext for the request. The first person isn't interested in general intelligence, he is interested in something about her phone. You would not say it that way if you wanted something overheard in the crowd.

I'm sure they did have her phone number and that it was tapped.

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Response to localroger (Reply #30)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 06:11 PM

33. How would they get her phone number? That is exactly why the undercover guys were in the

crowd trying to overhear the comments. The protest leaders were very smart about their methods. They had forward observers watching the police to see where they were gathering so the protesters could avoid them, among other things.

If they were tapping the phone why would he ask if there "were eyes" on her?

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Response to okaawhatever (Reply #33)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 09:31 AM

37. The machine scoops up the numbers of everyone in a particular area,

But your like all technical as evidenced on comments on the NK hack, so you knew that.



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Response to GreatGazoo (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:30 AM

8. Well, what good would a second cop visually monitoring her do?

 

They could only observe her being on the phone a lot, too, same as the first guy.

I think it's quite clear that the first cop is giving a heads up to someone with more ability than he has to determine the content of the phone conversations.

And "we'll keep an eye on it" is generally understood by most people to be a metaphor.

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Response to GreatGazoo (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:27 PM

18. I didn't read it that way.

I think the initial question was from someone observing the crowd (e.g. from a squad car), and that observer is asking the electronic monitor about any messages being intercepted.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:09 AM

5. Thanks Obama. n/t

 

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:26 AM

6. one thing that really bugs me about this

is realizing that the ptb does not want organization on the left. i suppose this is nothing new but it bothers me tremendously because it is so anti american. the ferocious protection of an unjust status quo.
according to my son, when our "leaders" show up in uniform we will officially be a fascist state. we are too close for my comfort. in the meantime i guess we should be enjoying and thankful for the oligarchy.

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Response to barbtries (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:30 PM

19. TPTB not wanting organization on the left?

You are right -- that is nothing new. But it is quite American. This country has a long history of panic over "communists," "anarchists," and the like.

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Response to Brigid (Reply #19)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:33 PM

21. you're right of course.

i was thinking about that even while writing the post. the examples are so many. but it does violate what america was supposed to be about. for instance freedom.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:29 AM

7. Of course they are monitoring cell phone calls, the cheap and effective tecnnology cries out to be used

just as much as military grade personnel carriers and mine proof APR's cried out and were heard and used.

They point machine guns at the protestors, why would they not point antenna?

Militarized civilian police force armed to the teeth or militarized citizenry, which came first? Demilitarization will be in reverse order.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:38 AM

9. They've done a lot more than just monitor cell phones.

They are actively stalking live streamers and giving out their personal information on social streams. In one case they actually called the steamers boss to inform the boss of the streamers actions.

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Response to Live and Learn (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:18 PM

15. They focused on "disabling the people's technology" in Berkeley, too

They threw some PTSD-suffering guy out of van, roughed him up, and left his emotional support dog in the van with everybody and his/her sibling telling them it was an emotional support dog.

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Response to daredtowork (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:22 PM

16. Yep, I was watching that one live when it happened.

I was so worried that both the guy and the dog might get shot. And he wasn't doing anything. Just parked by the side of the road.

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Response to Live and Learn (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:24 PM

17. He was sort of a cause celebre

Sometimes the police can be extremely tone deaf when they choose who to target. That's another reason for them to get to know the people in their community. And to remember they are there to protect and serve them - not hassle and bully them.

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Response to daredtowork (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:54 PM

25. I think that is one of the biggest problems. The police are totally out of touch with what is going

on. They think we want their militarized equipment on our streets. They think we want them to enforce idiot crimes like jaywalking, shoplifting, selling loose cigarettes, playing with a toy gun, etc. with a gun. They think we should think ALL these killings without one conviction should be fine with the people.

There are so many things they either do not care or do not know what we think. They have totally turned policing around in the years since the 50s. No longer the hero - now the enemy. And it is their doing. Arrogance is their brand.

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Response to Live and Learn (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:39 PM

22. They are lucky I was not the streamer's boss.

I would have said, "Oh, yeah? Well guess who's getting a raise in the very near future!"

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:43 AM

10. I think it means the opposite. They're asking each other if anyone knows

where the protesters are going -- because all they know is the organizer has been on the phone a lot; they don't know what she's hearing on that phone.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:32 PM

20. Why would someone close enough to the protestor to see she was on

the phone ask someone in a building if they knew what she was up to (or had heard anything).
Come on, use some common sense.

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Response to Live and Learn (Reply #20)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:20 PM

26. Because these guys are all talking to each other,

some of them are down on the ground, and they're trolling for rumors.

If they had been listening over the cell, then they would have answered the question because they would have heard the information.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #26)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 06:26 PM

34. Maybe the fusion center officer knew enough not to talk about it on the radio.

The field officer seems like a dumbass who the let the cat out of the bag.

This is all part of the "parallel construction", whether through informants or intercepts they have evidence they will not use in a legal sense.

Parallel construction is a law enforcement process of building a parallel - or separate - evidentiary basis for a criminal investigation in order to conceal how the investigation began.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:46 AM

11. What surprised me is that people still hold onto the naive thought that they weren't.

of course they were.

If anything this should give rise to the paper note again.

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Response to Javaman (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:59 PM

27. And the use of couriers too.

No technology.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:50 AM

12. common knowledge here in chi.

there were pics of the car with the stingray, and a lot of chatter about it after that protest.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:00 PM

13. Ironic that the ones that use this technology

probably gather in their squad rooms and discuss how lucky they are to live in America the land of the free and not some country like N. Korea where citizens are watched and surveilled in every move they make.

There is a huge disconnect on the right over what is okay when it comes to corporations and ordinary citizens. Corporations can do anything, citizens, especially out-spoken liberal citizens can do nothing.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:15 PM

14. There has been a lot of talk of stingrays

During the Oakland/Berkeley protests, and I believe that just whips up paranoia about police infiltration and it probably increased the hostility of the situation when the CHP officer was outed. (Though that still didn't warrant him waving a gun on a crowd that was apparently half reporters/photographers).

Why is this not a form of warrantless wiretapping? Why are things different when black people want to organize to defend their civil rights than when some white guy wants to do something shifty to avoid paying his taxes?

In any case, the behavior of the cops is once more contributing to the idea of a shady-NSA-sponsored "Police State", which just makes things worse.

I trust everyone knows that Scott Walker has his finger on the Big Red Button to call in the National Guard in Wisconsin.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/18/dontre-hamilton_n_6349872.html

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:45 PM

23. Here we go again. Back to the 60s.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:26 PM

28. It occurred to me that police probably get overtime pay

whenever there is a demonstration/protest. Practically rewarding them for actions with Garner, Rice, Brown etc. What worked in the 60s seemed to be the bus boycott and boycotting of businesses. Perhaps this century we need to boycott the businesses and phone companies, big time.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:19 PM

29. Fascism. Pure and simple.

 

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 06:01 PM

31. Who gains from this being made public?

 

The cops of course. Another form of intimidation.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 06:04 PM

32. It would surprise me if they weren't

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #32)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 09:25 AM

36. I am Shocked!!!

 

Well, actually, like the poster above, I would have been shocked if they didn't monitor. What did we expect to happen? The Government has all this eavesdropping equipment and they are not using it to spy on ANYONE they see as a threat??


/for the record, I, for one, welcome and love our new spying overlords

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 06:02 AM

35. Kickety

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 12:31 PM

38. bump..nt

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 01:41 PM

39. du rec.

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