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Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:37 AM

Response by Ferguson Action & #BlackLivesMatter to Murder of NYPD Officers

"We are shocked and saddened by the news of two NYPD officers killed today in Brooklyn. We mourned with the families of Eric Garner and Mike Brown who experienced unspeakable loss, and similarly our hearts go out to the families of these officers who are now experiencing that same grief. They deserve all of our prayers.

"Unfortunately, there have been attempts to draw misleading connections between this movement and today’s tragic events. Millions have stood together in acts of non-violent civil disobedience, one of the cornerstones of our democracy. It is irresponsible to draw connections between this movement and the actions of a troubled man who took the lives of these officers and attempted to take the life of his ex-partner, before ultimately taking his own. Today’s events are a tragedy in their own right. To conflate them with the brave activism of millions of people across the country is nothing short of cheap political punditry.

"Elected officials and law enforcement leaders must not allow this narrative to continue, as it only serves to heighten tensions at a time when the families of those killed are in mourning.

"We stand with the families in mourning, we stand united against senseless killings, and we stand for a justice system that works for all."

http://andystepanian.tumblr.com/post/105748544126/ferguson-action-blacklivesmatter-release

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Reply Response by Ferguson Action & #BlackLivesMatter to Murder of NYPD Officers (Original post)
ellenrr Dec 2014 OP
LiberalElite Dec 2014 #1
ellenrr Dec 2014 #3
giftedgirl77 Dec 2014 #2
99Forever Dec 2014 #4
NoJusticeNoPeace Dec 2014 #5
jwirr Dec 2014 #6
cwydro Dec 2014 #11
blackspade Dec 2014 #7
951-Riverside Dec 2014 #8
cwydro Dec 2014 #12
951-Riverside Dec 2014 #15
840high Dec 2014 #21
951-Riverside Dec 2014 #22
840high Dec 2014 #48
George II Dec 2014 #23
951-Riverside Dec 2014 #27
cwydro Dec 2014 #29
951-Riverside Dec 2014 #31
cwydro Dec 2014 #33
Logical Dec 2014 #32
George II Dec 2014 #16
951-Riverside Dec 2014 #20
George II Dec 2014 #24
951-Riverside Dec 2014 #25
George II Dec 2014 #34
951-Riverside Dec 2014 #36
George II Dec 2014 #37
cwydro Dec 2014 #28
hrmjustin Dec 2014 #26
RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #49
seabeyond Dec 2014 #9
951-Riverside Dec 2014 #10
MissDeeds Dec 2014 #13
seabeyond Dec 2014 #18
Post removed Dec 2014 #35
daleanime Dec 2014 #39
juxtaposed Dec 2014 #40
daleanime Dec 2014 #47
George II Dec 2014 #17
seabeyond Dec 2014 #19
MissDeeds Dec 2014 #14
cwydro Dec 2014 #30
Enthusiast Dec 2014 #38
Wella Dec 2014 #41
ecstatic Dec 2014 #42
Pacifist Patriot Dec 2014 #43
Cha Dec 2014 #44
Maineman Dec 2014 #45
Wella Dec 2014 #46
Thespian2 Dec 2014 #50

Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:39 AM

1. K&R -

I hope this makes it to the MSM.

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Response to LiberalElite (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:40 AM

3. if it does, it'll be a testament to the strength of this movement. nt

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:40 AM

2. K&R

 

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:41 AM

4. Great statement.

Thanks for posting it, Ellen.

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:42 AM

5. The shootings of the officers may have absolutely nothing at all to do with anything going

on, right?

Could it be someone who went nuts over scorned love?

Anything, right?

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:02 PM

6. Wonderful statement. Hope it gets out there.

Last edited Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:47 PM - Edit history (1)

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Response to jwirr (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:41 PM

11. Ditto. Nt

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:07 PM

7. Fuck yes.

Will the M$M drive this point home?
Nope.

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:28 PM

8. It doesnt matter what they say, the NYPD is going to crack down hard on black males and protesters

 

Their reaction to two of their own being cowardly gunned down was to declare "war".

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Response to 951-Riverside (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:44 PM

12. You are one of the most negative posters

I've ever seen on DU.

It seems to me that you thrive on bad news.

Sad.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #12)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:11 PM

15. If you choose to live in your little suburban bubble and not face reality you're on the wrong site.

 

If you can't deal with reality then maybe you should not be on the internet and maybe you should turn off the TV while you're at it.


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Response to 951-Riverside (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:41 PM

21. I think you

 

like stirring shit.

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Response to 840high (Reply #21)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:45 PM

22. Maybe

 

"840high" If you'd flush your shit every once in a while there wouldn't be any to stir.

Roger that?

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Response to 951-Riverside (Reply #22)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 12:11 AM

48. Wishing you joyous holidays.

 

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Response to 951-Riverside (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:28 PM

23. Seems that's where you get your impression of the NYPD

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Response to George II (Reply #23)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:38 PM

27. No, this is where I get my impression of the NYPD

 











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Response to 951-Riverside (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:43 PM

29. You know nothing about me.

I know that YOU are a very negative human.

That saddens me.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #29)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:48 PM

31. Re: "I know that YOU are a very negative human."

 



Why?

Because I posted a statement from the NYPD Union saying that they are now at war and equating legitimate protests against police brutality with the actions of a coward thug who gunned down three people before taking his own life?

These things happened but if you can't deal maybe you should unplug from the internet.



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Response to 951-Riverside (Reply #31)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 04:12 PM

33. I've seen many negative posts from you.

The op posted a wonderful statement.

There were many positive responses.

Yours was a nasty attempt to cause trouble on a great op.

I don't put anyone on ignore. So I'll see you again. But I will not be a part of this silly sub thread anymore.

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Response to cwydro (Reply #12)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 04:06 PM

32. Seems like you live in a make believe world. No difference. nt

 

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Response to 951-Riverside (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:21 PM

16. Let's hope they don't have your attitude.

Do you know anything about the rank and file NYPD at all?

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Response to George II (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:37 PM

20. Yes. I know them well.

 

The New York Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, the NYPD's union, has issued this statement following the deaths of two police officers in an ambush:

"Starting IMMEDIATELY: At least two units are to respond to EVERY call, no matter the condition or severity, no matter what type of job is pending, or what the opinion of the patrol supervisor happens to be.

“IN ADDITION: Absolutely NO enforcement action in the form of arrests and or summonses is to be taken unless absolutely necessary and an individual MUST be placed under arrest.

“These are precautions that were taken in the 1970's when police officers were ambushed and executed on a regular basis.

“The mayor’s hands are literally dripping with our blood because of his words actions and policies and we have, for the first time in a number of years, become a ‘wartime’ police department. We will act accordingly.”


Taken from: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5986768

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Response to 951-Riverside (Reply #20)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:29 PM

24. I'll repeat, do you know anything about the RANK AND FILE NYPD? First hand??

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Response to George II (Reply #24)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:32 PM

25. I answered your question, is there a point you're trying to make?

 

Or are you just going to keep repeating that question like a broken record?

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Response to 951-Riverside (Reply #25)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 04:15 PM

34. You're making sweeping assumptions (and accusations) about a police force that is....

...about 35,000 men and women. I'm just trying to find out if that's based on FACT or an anti-police bias from you.

Don't bother now, I think we know the answer to the question.

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Response to George II (Reply #34)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 04:24 PM

36. No, I'm not. They made those statements about declaring "war", it was published by the NYTimes

 

and I have not heard any of those 35,000 men and women say they don't stand by it.

Again, I don't get the point you're trying to make here.

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Response to 951-Riverside (Reply #36)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 05:03 PM

37. That statement by the PBA indicates that they will be taking more precautions, nowhere did I see...

....them "declaring war".

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Response to George II (Reply #24)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:41 PM

28. No, he doesn't.

He enjoys bad news and trouble.

I would hate to wake up everyday and view the world that way.

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Response to 951-Riverside (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:34 PM

26. That was the union head who is a jerk.

 

The police and city are in mourning now for these men.

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Response to 951-Riverside (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 07:54 AM

49. Typical

 

Their old villains are their new villains: Blacks and Hippies.
I know, back in the 60s and 70s I was a hippie in a black neighborhood.

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:32 PM

9. here would be the difference between the people and the cops. people mourn or call out the murder

 

of the two cops. when the cops murder the people, that cops stand behind each other

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:36 PM

10. +1

 

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:56 PM

13. Painting with a broad brush I see

 

Sad

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Response to MissDeeds (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:30 PM

18. no. you do not see at all. on all these murders of black young, without weapon, find me ONE cop,

 

that called it out as wrong, instead of active support of the murder. find me groups within the criminal system that stood with the victim and mourned their death.

where as, here is evidence with senseless murder of cops, people all over the nation mourn or call it out.

consistently

no broad brush but a reality, factual, that you are purposely ignoring and dismissing with your broad brush comment.

in... deed

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Response to Post removed (Reply #35)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 06:34 PM

39. Anyone....

who 'fucks' with us.


Yes, it is scary out there and your helping to make it so.

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Response to daleanime (Reply #39)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 06:42 PM

40. jury duty

 

On Sun Dec 21, 2014, 05:26 PM you sent an alert on the following post:

There are plenty of cops that agree with the protestors
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5988972

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

Scary for anyone who fucks with us, du has blood on our hands?

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sun Dec 21, 2014, 05:35 PM, and voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I was ok with the gist of the post - it's ok to have an alternate, minority opinion, even on DU - until I got to this part: "many here at DU have blood on there hands" << WAY over the top. And then this nonsense: "Scary for us and for anyone who fucks with us." Nah, what's scary is if Taurusny22 is really a cop.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Ever wonder why people are upset, I give you one example. Look in a mirror.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Take a little time to search your soul. I sense something that should not be there.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Yeah, fuck that shit. "DU has blood on its hands?"... This sort of rhetoric is not helpful. Not helpful at all.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Fuck the police-
RandiFan1290

Thank you.

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Response to juxtaposed (Reply #40)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 11:13 PM

47. Thanks....

a little surprising that any one voted to leave it, but every body has their own standards.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:23 PM

17. Totally untrue - got any specifics????

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Response to George II (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:31 PM

19. post 18. bring some facts into it.

 

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:58 PM

14. So beautiful and inspiring

 

Thank you for bringing this to our attention, ellenrr.




K&R

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Response to MissDeeds (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:46 PM

30. Ditto again.

I love the positive comments here.

We can only move forward and hope to work to make things better.

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 06:20 PM

38. K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations!

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 06:45 PM

41. Fergueon Action and #BLM need to get control over this guy in Ferguson:

 

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:18 PM

42. "Elected officials and law enforcement leaders must not allow this narrative to continue"

Agreed, I've yet to see Giuliani & CO challenged on their framing of this tragedy. This idea that protesters are to blame is hurtful and very troubling. FNC, Giuliani, Lynch, Houck, etc. are inciting more anger than anyone else ever could.

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 07:47 PM

43. K&R!

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:40 PM

44. Excellent comment from the Ferguson Action #BlackLivesMatter Activists.. thank you ellenrr

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:47 PM

45. Nicely stated. Related questions:

How many police officers are there in the U.S.? How many get shot in one year? What percentage is that? How does that implied probability compare to the number of citizens who get killed in auto accidents per year? How about compared to airline travelers dying in crashes? I do not know the answers, but I suspect the police need some help with accurate risk assessment. I do not mean to minimize the shooting of police officers which is just as horrible as any other shooting or killing, but I wonder if their perceived risk is in line with the actual risk.

Yes, I know. Certain communities are worse than others. Even so, my questions stand.

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Sun Dec 21, 2014, 08:47 PM

46. Daily Mail saying that the shooter was a protestor of both court verdicts

 

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Response to ellenrr (Original post)

Mon Dec 22, 2014, 10:48 AM

50. Excellent post

Some of the comments are skewed, unfortunately. The comments from the Ferguson groups make perfectly good sense, drawing a clear distinction between the protests begun after police murders and the psychopath who, for his own reasons, murdered two minority police officers. Obviously, to any thinking person (not found on Fux "news" the two problems have no relationship.

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