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CK_John

(10,005 posts)
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:21 PM Dec 2014

IMO, the Hyperloop will be easier to install and better than driverless cars.

Just an old idea expanded from buildings to mass transit, the good old vacuum tube.

Even today our local bank still use the tubes between the main building and their drivein lanes.

They could run the tubes on the interstate system right of way or center lanes to lessen getting new land paths.

Link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/19/hyperloop-10-years_n_6357430.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

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IMO, the Hyperloop will be easier to install and better than driverless cars. (Original Post) CK_John Dec 2014 OP
It's really a great idea that needs funding immediately. Instead, 80% of budget is war. grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #1
It's cheaper to lay track or build monorails Warpy Dec 2014 #2
The loop is faster than trains/planes BC it eliminates the air resistance with scum tubes. grahamhgreen Dec 2014 #4
They're not mutually exclusive ideas Bosonic Dec 2014 #3
Nature abhors a vacuum. Orrex Dec 2014 #5
The Hyperloop is a very bad concept. DetlefK Dec 2014 #6
It isn't actually a vacuum fyi... Agschmid Dec 2014 #7
Try to breathe that: DetlefK Dec 2014 #8
Almost word for word of what they said about the "chunnel". CK_John Dec 2014 #9
The Chunnel isn't a vacuum tube. It's a regular tunnel. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2014 #11
It's not a vacuum, that's innacurate. Agschmid Dec 2014 #12
Then it must work on some kind of pressure differential that isn't a true vacuum. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2014 #14
There is a pressure differential that is correct, the pressure is reduced from atmospheric. Agschmid Dec 2014 #17
If nature abhorred a vacuum it wouldn't have so vastly much of it Fumesucker Dec 2014 #15
"Nature abhorrs vaccum" has an equivalent in thermodynamics. DetlefK Dec 2014 #19
If I was Emperor of the Earth... hunter Dec 2014 #10
Tomorrow you will have more time to think about it. CK_John Dec 2014 #13
Even human powered vehicles can go over 31 mph Fumesucker Dec 2014 #16
I'd make an exception for human powered vehicles and animals, of course. hunter Dec 2014 #18
 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
1. It's really a great idea that needs funding immediately. Instead, 80% of budget is war.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:26 PM
Dec 2014

musk is changing the world.

Warpy

(111,107 posts)
2. It's cheaper to lay track or build monorails
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:28 PM
Dec 2014

and that's more likely what they'll do for intercity transport.

It's what they did here in NM for our high speed rail.

Orrex

(63,157 posts)
5. Nature abhors a vacuum.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:38 PM
Dec 2014

As of 11:38ET on 12/21/2014, this marks the 418th time I've successfully deployed that "joke," with no end in sight.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
6. The Hyperloop is a very bad concept.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 12:38 PM
Dec 2014

1. Vacuum. You know how we make that. Pumps. Pumps that run 24/7. Pumps that will eat a shit-ton of energy if they have to evacuate the huge volume of a transit-tube.

2. What if an accident happens? You will be stuck in a tunnel without air. You can't get out, no matter what. Your pod has a leak? We're all gonna suffocate.

3. The human body (and in a particular a paying customer expecting comfort) can only withstand so much acceleration. That means, the acceleration-phase has to be as short as possible compared to the whole trip. And that's why these high-acceleration modes of transportation are only practical for long distances.
AND THEN we return to the problem with huge tunnels of death.




It would be far more practical and cheaper to simpy overhaul the train-system.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
8. Try to breathe that:
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:02 PM
Dec 2014

I work at an ultra-high-vacuum vessel, so I know a little bit about vacuums.



http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24036-hyperloop-musk-unveils-highspeed-pneumatic-transport.html#.VJb69f8CDA

So we have a pod with 1 bar of pressure and a tunnel 1000 times his volume with a pressure of 0.001 bar. If the pod has a leak: What is the pressure in the pod?

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
9. Almost word for word of what they said about the "chunnel".
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:35 PM
Dec 2014

The Chunnel runs from Folkestone in the south of England, to Calais in northern France.

Tunnels are scary but also have a very good safety record.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,543 posts)
11. The Chunnel isn't a vacuum tube. It's a regular tunnel.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:47 PM
Dec 2014

The problem with the hyperloop isn't that it's a tunnel; it's that it's a vacuum. And, as we all know, vacuums suck. And nature abhors them.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
12. It's not a vacuum, that's innacurate.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:56 PM
Dec 2014

There is a fan and a fan cowl on the front of the vehicle, if it was a true vacumn that wouldn't need to be there.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,543 posts)
14. Then it must work on some kind of pressure differential that isn't a true vacuum.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 02:03 PM
Dec 2014

Be that as it may, the principle is evidently based on sucking.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
17. There is a pressure differential that is correct, the pressure is reduced from atmospheric.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:22 PM
Dec 2014

But the idea that it's a death tube (not what you said I know) is a stretch. Now I actually think by the time it's built it will be outdated...

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
15. If nature abhorred a vacuum it wouldn't have so vastly much of it
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:15 PM
Dec 2014

99.99% or more of the universe is filled with vacuum.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
19. "Nature abhorrs vaccum" has an equivalent in thermodynamics.
Mon Dec 22, 2014, 05:43 PM
Dec 2014

It means going to a state of minimized energy, enthalpy, Free Energy or whatever thermodynamic potential fits to that system.

But not every system is equal: Some gases exist in free space, some gases exist in a deep gravity-well.

hunter

(38,300 posts)
10. If I was Emperor of the Earth...
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 01:46 PM
Dec 2014

... secure in my space fortress, protected by countless EMP laser blaster satellites, I like to joke that I'd knock out any vehicle (other than medical transport) traveling faster than 50 kilometers per hour (31 miles per hour).

World travel would still be possible, you'd simply have to make vacations longer.

So sit back and enjoy the ride.

Hurry hurry hurry is a terrible way to live.

Many people are probably relieved I'm not Emperor of Earth sitting in my space fortress.

But I'm still a very dangerous fellow when I don't know what I'm doing.



Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
16. Even human powered vehicles can go over 31 mph
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 03:19 PM
Dec 2014

Well over double that speed in fact.

http://www.ihpva.org/land.htm

At the first IHPSC in1975, IHPVA founder Chet Kyle’s Teledyne Titan was clocked at a speed of 44.69 mph.

In 1986, Gardner Martin’s Gold Rush (now in the Smithsonian) ridden by “Fast Freddy” Markham won the DuPont prize at a record 65.484 mph.

In 1992, Cheetah, ridden by Chris Huber, broke 68 mph.

In 2008, Sam Whittingham became the World Champion and won the $25,000 .Decimach prize with a speed of 82.33 mph.

hunter

(38,300 posts)
18. I'd make an exception for human powered vehicles and animals, of course.
Sun Dec 21, 2014, 06:06 PM
Dec 2014

I'd leave guys like this alone too:



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