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niyad

(113,253 posts)
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:13 PM Dec 2014

Why Is No One Talking About the NYPD Shooter’s Other Target?

Why Is No One Talking About the NYPD Shooter’s Other Target?




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What’s equally predictable and disappointing is the near-erasure of Shaneka Thompson from the story of Ismaaiyl Brinsley’s shooting spree. Thompson is the 29-year-old ex-girlfriend whose Maryland apartment Brinsley entered before shooting her in the stomach and leaving her to scream for help. “I can’t die like this. Please, please help me,” she is reported to have shouted as she banged on a neighbor’s door. According to news reports, Thompson is a health insurance specialist with the Veterans Administration and an Air Force reservist. Brinsley took her phone with him as he headed north to New York, using it to post self-incriminating rants to Instagram before killing Officers Ramos and Liu and, finally, himself.

Thompson is hospitalized and was, as of Sunday, in critical but stable condition. She is also the latest in a series of women who have been brutalized by men whose violence only became notable when they took on targets deemed more important, more relevant to a national or international debate already in play. On Monday Muna Mire, a former Nation intern, noted on Facebook similarities between Thompson and Noleen Hayson Pal, slain ex-wife of Man Haron Monis. Monis is the gunman behind the sixteen-hour standoff in an Australian café that earlier this month left three people (including him) dead. He had a history of violence against women and at the time of the café attack was out on bail on charges including dozens of counts of sexual assault. He had also been charged with being an accessory to the murder of his ex-wife, with whom he had a custody dispute. He allegedly conspired with a girlfriend, who then set Pal on fire and stabbed her eighteen times. To frame that hostage crisis as one simply driven by religious fanaticism leaves out a key element: Monis seems to have been quite sick and is alleged to have used women’s bodies as a place to target that sickness. Monis had been charged with these crimes recently, but he wasn’t due back in court until February. This past weekend, Baltimore police started tracking Shaneka Thompson’s phone, which Brinsley had in his possession, around 6:30 am, less than an hour after she was shot. According to The New York Times, they knew Brinsley’s whereabouts, but didn’t contact New York police until after noon. They faxed a wanted poster to a Brooklyn precinct just after 2 pm.


There may well be legitimate reasons why law enforcement could not have apprehended Brinsley earlier, even though they knew his whereabouts as he traveled north from Baltimore to New York. But in both this case and the Sydney incident, there seem to have been assumptions that public safety was not at risk despite the allegations and evidence of violence against women. Why does the threat level and stoking of public fear skyrocket when a madman is thought to be tied to an ideology that’s generally hated in the mainstream—anti-police sentiment or Islamic fundamentalism—but not when that madness has threatened a woman’s life or safety?

Salamishah Tillett raised a similar question during the trial of George Zimmerman, who had been accused of molesting a cousin as a child and of abusing a former fiancée before killing Trayvon Martin. As Tillett wrote, “Zimmerman’s attorneys successfully argued that those acts were inadmissible or irrelevant. But these accusations offer us other truths: that violence against girls and women is often an overlooked and unchecked indicator of future violence.”

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http://www.thenation.com/blog/193577/why-no-one-talking-about-nypd-shooters-other-target

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Why Is No One Talking About the NYPD Shooter’s Other Target? (Original Post) niyad Dec 2014 OP
She wasn't a cop? Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2014 #1
no, she is only a woman. niyad Dec 2014 #2
And black... daleanime Dec 2014 #9
Bingo LiberalArkie Dec 2014 #33
Beat me to it. calimary Dec 2014 #53
i want to live long enough to see a Black Gay Woman as President randys1 Dec 2014 #38
are you related to methuselah? niyad Dec 2014 #40
LOL randys1 Dec 2014 #41
well, there are always miracles. niyad Dec 2014 #43
How about a Mexican-American Unknown Beatle Dec 2014 #66
Either or randys1 Dec 2014 #69
with gold threads on her prayer shawl edges irisblue Jan 2015 #76
Careful what you wish for dreamnightwind Jan 2015 #78
She's Gay? randys1 Jan 2015 #79
Pretty sure dreamnightwind Jan 2015 #81
If being black is a strike against media coverage, how are Michael Brown and Eric Garner explained? MadDAsHell Dec 2014 #64
Huh? daleanime Dec 2014 #68
A non-blonde dbackjon Dec 2014 #57
There it is. 'Irrelevant' in the Z case, 'not a danger to the public' in Sydney. Half the world... freshwest Dec 2014 #73
B/C then this case couldn't be used to reverse the momentum of public protest against police abuse uhnope Dec 2014 #72
They don't give a heck about her. SummerSnow Dec 2014 #3
Black Woman Who Isn't A Cop billhicks76 Dec 2014 #58
They couldn't blame this on a Dem, so for the NYPD, it doesn't matter...nt joeybee12 Dec 2014 #4
don't care about any of us librechik Dec 2014 #5
It doesn't fit the narrative they are pushing. NutmegYankee Dec 2014 #6
And people remember a good narrative. Octafish Dec 2014 #13
Because it doesn't get ratings Lurks Often Dec 2014 #7
I don't think that theory is entirely accurate. Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #11
My post was not meant to be limited to this specific incident Lurks Often Dec 2014 #17
Well, I can think of easily a dozen spousal/significant other killings Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #32
Agreed Lurks Often Dec 2014 #52
violence is entertainment here. Adam051188 Dec 2014 #8
Yes, exactly what the "news" had become, entertainment. mountain grammy Jan 2015 #74
Unfortunately, women being killed by their husbands and boyfriends is relatively common, Nye Bevan Dec 2014 #10
here: niyad Dec 2014 #14
because, if Men aren't threatened, the Men who run the executive boards.... BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2014 #19
I know, I keep forgetting how unimportant our gender is. niyad Dec 2014 #21
silly woman, don't you know we are too complicated for Men? Because we're not as smart. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2014 #26
My God! .....Dildo stopped a war!! pocoloco Dec 2014 #62
????? niyad Jan 2015 #83
The novelty factor, poor ability to assess risk, and media sensationalism. Nye Bevan Dec 2014 #24
Ageed, given how fearful most people are of the cops, it is rare anyone does anything randys1 Dec 2014 #39
Rec a thousand times! progressoid Dec 2014 #12
thank you! niyad Dec 2014 #15
"Why is no one talking about" questions inevitably boil down to one thing. AtheistCrusader Dec 2014 #16
because hate speech, dehumanization, and violence against Women BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2014 #18
you are absolutely correct. how silly of me! niyad Dec 2014 #20
oh, and if they're Ugly, then who cares about them, anyway? n/t BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2014 #22
Also, no sense of humor.... now that one I gotta disagree with, mountain grammy Jan 2015 #75
..... BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2015 #80
Pick a single or make a combo; SamKnause Dec 2014 #23
how about, it happens all that time. Calista241 Dec 2014 #25
add that to the list....at the top. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2014 #28
thank you! niyad Dec 2014 #30
She is the wrong gender SamKnause Dec 2014 #31
K&R! blackspade Dec 2014 #27
KnR. nt tblue37 Dec 2014 #29
K & R historylovr Dec 2014 #34
amen. demigoddess Dec 2014 #35
Good thread JustAnotherGen Dec 2014 #36
Talking about her would not serve the RW and/or bigot narrative. merrily Dec 2014 #37
Yes, how could Guiliani and Fox blame Obama for this? Boomerproud Dec 2014 #55
Or the police force and union officials blame DeBlasio. merrily Jan 2015 #87
This story happens very often, all over the country. Chemisse Dec 2014 #42
and that is part of the problem, isn't it? the level of violence against women simply isn't worthy niyad Dec 2014 #44
Well that's another story. Chemisse Dec 2014 #47
actually, many of us have been working on that for years. niyad Dec 2014 #48
I know. People are doing wonderful work on domestic violence issues. Chemisse Dec 2014 #49
wow, thank you for telling me that. will have to see if it is available online. sad to think niyad Jan 2015 #82
There are tens of thousands of people shot here every year: QuestionableC Dec 2014 #45
welcome to du niyad Dec 2014 #46
Belly shot and he took her phone. She would have died if she didn't have the strength to go for help Sunlei Dec 2014 #50
they knew where he was for HOURS ecstatic Dec 2014 #51
you have quite a point. niyad Jan 2015 #84
Meaning this was really a murder suicide--with the suicide by police. Something suicidal folks do. McCamy Taylor Dec 2014 #54
Because she is just a black woman dbackjon Dec 2014 #56
We are witnessing the ramping up of this country's... Chakaconcarne Dec 2014 #59
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Dec 2014 #60
Because she's not dead? Or two cops? n/t bobclark86 Dec 2014 #61
Black woman shot by a black man...not nearly sensational enough for the media. nt MadDAsHell Dec 2014 #63
Excellent piece Tsiyu Dec 2014 #65
... shenmue Dec 2014 #67
Thank you for bringing this forth, niyad! "..that violence against girls and women is often an Cha Dec 2014 #70
Because the "Main Stream Media".. sendero Dec 2014 #71
Because she is "doing fine" - and the two cops are dead? maced666 Jan 2015 #77
as another poster pointed out, perhaps if the police had taken the attack on her seriously, niyad Jan 2015 #86
. . . niyad Jan 2015 #85

randys1

(16,286 posts)
38. i want to live long enough to see a Black Gay Woman as President
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 02:42 PM
Dec 2014

And then I will spend all day everyday laughing at the exploding heads around me

randys1

(16,286 posts)
41. LOL
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 02:49 PM
Dec 2014

May not take that long...never know

Just have to wait till that white male contingent is a tiny minority

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
66. How about a Mexican-American
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 07:24 PM
Dec 2014

gay liberal progressive woman as president? That would really have the right wingers knickers in a wad.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
81. Pretty sure
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 09:32 AM
Jan 2015

Not my place to say really, but I thought it was more or less commonly assumed. She had moved several times with the same female roommate IIRC, maybe someone else will confirm or debunk...

 

MadDAsHell

(2,067 posts)
64. If being black is a strike against media coverage, how are Michael Brown and Eric Garner explained?
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 05:47 PM
Dec 2014

It's the race of the shooter that mattered to the media here. The media does not care about black lives if they were taken by another black life; it's not nearly sensational enough for the sick vultures.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
57. A non-blonde
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 03:53 PM
Dec 2014

She was young and pretty, but unless you are blond, it doesn't matter to the MSM

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
73. There it is. 'Irrelevant' in the Z case, 'not a danger to the public' in Sydney. Half the world...
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 10:15 PM
Dec 2014
lives in the Twilight Zone or else they are invisible. You just said it all... EOM.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
72. B/C then this case couldn't be used to reverse the momentum of public protest against police abuse
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 10:14 PM
Dec 2014

If we mentioned the fact that he shot his girlfriend first, it would be clear he was just insane and not a product of the public protest against the police, which is how it's being portrayed, which is what the more knee-jerk of the NYPD actually believe, which is what reactionaries in the USA want everyone to believe.

I can't stand it.

My hero since childhood, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, said it well:

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: The Police Aren’t Under Attack. Institutionalized Racism Is.
http://time.com/3643462/kareem-abdul-jabbar-nypd-shootings-police/
 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
58. Black Woman Who Isn't A Cop
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 04:07 PM
Dec 2014

Just like many right wing commentators don't like that De Blasio is married to A Black woman and has Black kids. The problem once again is FOX news... Worse than any of the actual cops other than that messed up union leader.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
7. Because it doesn't get ratings
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:21 PM
Dec 2014

The media pushes the stories that will get ratings, internet hits or increase newspaper sales which lead to being able to charge more for advertising, which brings in more revenue for the company.

I do remember her name came up here and I believe in the news for a day or two after the initial shooting.

And when it comes right down to it, the murder or attempted murder of a spouse or significant other, unless it is either done in an unusual manner or is somehow more horrific then normal, rarely makes it past the local news level.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
11. I don't think that theory is entirely accurate.
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:30 PM
Dec 2014

While of course the media attempt to gain more eyeballs & sensationalize things to get them, there is another motive at play here, namely, that of pushing the authoritarian narrative.

The police exist primarily to protect the rich and their property from the poor and their desperation.

This often works out to the police protecting rich whites from the threats their guilt-ridden imaginations conjure up when they see poor blacks, particularly any black folks who are showing signs of "restiveness" or rebellion.

The media are agents of the rich, and therefore don't want distractions from their message of supporting the police.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
17. My post was not meant to be limited to this specific incident
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:43 PM
Dec 2014

but to why the murder or attempted murder of a spouse or significant other so rarely makes the national news.

As for the rest, we're not going to agree.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
32. Well, I can think of easily a dozen spousal/significant other killings
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 02:21 PM
Dec 2014

that have occurred more or less locally in the last couple of decades, but no cop killings.

The tragedy of the anecdote, I guess. One rare type of homicide gets reported nationally, so everyone thinks it happens all the time. Other, much more common atrocities, get local coverage at most, so nobody realizes how common they are.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
52. Agreed
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 03:31 PM
Dec 2014

although I won't say I remember as many as you do. Sadly it is one of things that most of us see in the local news, think how tragic it is and then a week later have forgotten about it unless there was something unusual involved or one knew the people involved.

 

Adam051188

(711 posts)
8. violence is entertainment here.
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:22 PM
Dec 2014

Only when it crosses certain lines is it considered a problem. Problem is people aren't wired to operate that way.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
10. Unfortunately, women being killed by their husbands and boyfriends is relatively common,
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:30 PM
Dec 2014

compared to someone deciding to execute two cops.

niyad

(113,253 posts)
14. here:
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:32 PM
Dec 2014

But these accusations offer us other truths: that violence against girls and women is often an overlooked and unchecked indicator of future violence.”

Why does the threat level and stoking of public fear skyrocket when a madman is thought to be tied to an ideology that’s generally hated in the mainstream—anti-police sentiment or Islamic fundamentalism—but not when that madness has threatened a woman’s life or safety?

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
26. silly woman, don't you know we are too complicated for Men? Because we're not as smart.
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 02:03 PM
Dec 2014

So we're hard to figure out. Because we complain. What's wrong with you that you can't appreciate a lovely lady? It's just natural...aesthetic appreciation. If only you knew your place. And once you're not tingly-in-the-crotch to Menz, go politely disappear. Thanks, that'd be great.
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[font size=0] fuck that bullshit [/font]

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
24. The novelty factor, poor ability to assess risk, and media sensationalism.
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 02:00 PM
Dec 2014

Any person is thousands of times more likely to be killed by their spouse or in a traffic accident than by an Islamic terrorist. And thousands of time more likely to be killed in the cab on the way to the airport than by a plane crash. But most people, helped significantly by the media, worry about the wrong things. Anyone who gives even a second thought to being killed by terrorism but does not wear their seat belt while driving is an absolute moron.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
39. Ageed, given how fearful most people are of the cops, it is rare anyone does anything
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 02:44 PM
Dec 2014

to them.

Hell, almost half of the country has reason not to trust any cop, ever.

You are right, shooting a girl friend, pfft, no biggie, but cops, huge biggie.

Not to mention that cops are seen by some as FAR more valuable and important people than some others.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
16. "Why is no one talking about" questions inevitably boil down to one thing.
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:42 PM
Dec 2014

"Because it doesn't fit the narrative/agenda"

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
18. because hate speech, dehumanization, and violence against Women
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:49 PM
Dec 2014

Is an accepted and even entertaining part of our culture!

It in no way points to any widespread attitudes or violence against actual women.

Actual Women who complain are All golddigging, unladylike, loudmouthed, screechy, lying ho's, who can't drive, are bad at math, sexually frigid, ugly, hairy and are unsubmissive. Also, no sense of humor. And women abuse men too, so why don't you care about all the men shot, killed, stabbed, raped, kicked, beaten, thrown off cliffs, cat-called, street-harrassed, stalked and had their pigtails pulled by women??!1!?

mountain grammy

(26,614 posts)
75. Also, no sense of humor.... now that one I gotta disagree with,
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 10:59 AM
Jan 2015

cus I'm laughing hysterically at yur post, but cant spel to gud. Also, that unsubmissive part.. now don't know whether to laugh or cry..
kind of like what being a woman is all about. Keep us on guard all the time..

SamKnause

(13,091 posts)
23. Pick a single or make a combo;
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:56 PM
Dec 2014

She is the wrong gender.

She is the wrong color.

She is not a police officer.

She is not a 1%er.

She is not a politician.

She is not a religious leader.

The 'media'.



JustAnotherGen

(31,810 posts)
36. Good thread
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 02:30 PM
Dec 2014

And ForHarriet.com has a story posted on their FB page that she has finally gone home. I hope she can find emotional and mental peace in light of what was done to her.

Boomerproud

(7,951 posts)
55. Yes, how could Guiliani and Fox blame Obama for this?
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 03:41 PM
Dec 2014

It's the inconvenient truth that they can't fit into the narrative.

Chemisse

(30,807 posts)
42. This story happens very often, all over the country.
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 02:49 PM
Dec 2014

If this happened minus the cop killing, we would never have heard of it unless we lived in that area.

niyad

(113,253 posts)
44. and that is part of the problem, isn't it? the level of violence against women simply isn't worthy
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 02:50 PM
Dec 2014

of coverage.

Chemisse

(30,807 posts)
47. Well that's another story.
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 02:58 PM
Dec 2014

Frankly, people are not interested in reading about nondeadly wife/gf shootings that happen all around the nation every day.

People are only interested in what happens outside their local area if it is novel (like major weather catastrophes), if it resonates with an existing belief (the 2 year old shooting his mother, or another killing of an unarmed black man) or if it affects them in some way (politics, etc).

There is no point bemoaning that. Instead we should find ways to reduce violence against women.

Chemisse

(30,807 posts)
49. I know. People are doing wonderful work on domestic violence issues.
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 03:03 PM
Dec 2014

And I recall a few years ago (maybe 8 or 10?), around Jan. 1, The Boston Globe did a huge spread on the numbers of victims throughout the year, with analysis, etc, and even a giant list of details about every single victim.

It was certainly an eye-opener.

niyad

(113,253 posts)
82. wow, thank you for telling me that. will have to see if it is available online. sad to think
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 01:03 PM
Jan 2015

how many more victims there have been since then.

 

QuestionableC

(63 posts)
45. There are tens of thousands of people shot here every year:
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 02:54 PM
Dec 2014

There are under a hundred officers shot and killed each year. Fewer still are as headline grabbing as two minority cops executed in broad daylight.

It's all about ratings.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
50. Belly shot and he took her phone. She would have died if she didn't have the strength to go for help
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 03:22 PM
Dec 2014

In the hospital and still critical, my heart goes out to her to heal

ecstatic

(32,681 posts)
51. they knew where he was for HOURS
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 03:28 PM
Dec 2014

and did nothing! Maybe if they had taken the shooting of his ex-gf seriously, those officers would still be alive.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
56. Because she is just a black woman
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 03:52 PM
Dec 2014

Nothing to see here.


Now if she was a blond. Now we are talking.

Chakaconcarne

(2,442 posts)
59. We are witnessing the ramping up of this country's...
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 04:16 PM
Dec 2014

creep toward militarization...

The movement is now justified...no?

Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are not enough to feed the beast.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
60. Kicked and recommended a whole bunch!
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 04:21 PM
Dec 2014

A fair media could turn this entire thing around in a heart beat.

Tsiyu

(18,186 posts)
65. Excellent piece
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 06:57 PM
Dec 2014


Very profound and thought provoking.

40% of cop homes experience domestic violence so I guess cops are immune to caring about it. But it only follows that someone who is violent in the home will be violent out of the home as well.

Legislators have made the sentences so light for domestic abuse, the people who abuse are out on the street before they serve any real time. They don't get their belongings seized, don't pay ridiculous fines.

Legislators and prison guards would rather lock up the nonviolent.

And then complain about violence in the streets.

It makes absolutely no sense, but it was never meant to.





Cha

(297,124 posts)
70. Thank you for bringing this forth, niyad! "..that violence against girls and women is often an
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 09:27 PM
Dec 2014
overlooked and unchecked indicator of future violence.”

sendero

(28,552 posts)
71. Because the "Main Stream Media"..
Wed Dec 31, 2014, 09:42 PM
Dec 2014

... is to the last one a pack of liars and lies of omission are their favorite strategy.

 

maced666

(771 posts)
77. Because she is "doing fine" - and the two cops are dead?
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 11:53 AM
Jan 2015

And no longer in the hospital

Thompson's grandfather, James Delly, who lives in South Carolina, said Tuesday that Thompson was "doing fine," but declined to comment further.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bs-md-co-shaneka-thompson-update-20141230-story.html

niyad

(113,253 posts)
86. as another poster pointed out, perhaps if the police had taken the attack on her seriously,
Fri Jan 2, 2015, 01:20 PM
Jan 2015

those two officers might not be dead. I wonder how many officers realize that their own inactions might, in fact, have led to the deaths of those two officers.

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