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kpete

(71,984 posts)
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:18 AM Apr 2012

You Are All Suspects Now. What Are You Going To Do About It?



You Are All Suspects Now. What Are You Going To Do About It?

By John Pilger


You are all potential terrorists. It matters not that you live in Britain, the United States, Australia or the Middle East. Citizenship is effectively abolished. Turn on your computer and the US Department of Homeland Security's National Operations Center may monitor whether you are typing not merely "al-Qaeda," but "exercise," "drill," "wave," "initiative" and "organization": all proscribed words. The British government's announcement that it intends to spy on every email and phone call is old hat. The satellite vacuum cleaner known as Echelon has been doing this for years. What has changed is that a state of permanent war has been launched by the United States and a police state is consuming western democracy.

What are you going to do about it?
http://www.opednews.com/articles/You-Are-All-Suspects-Now--by-John-Pilger-120426-298.html

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By this September, 9/11 will be eleven years ago. Yet despite the War on Terror, the loss of Americans' privacy and civil liberties, an expenditure of trillions of dollars on numerous wars, violations of US and international laws against torture, and so forth, no one has been held accountable. Neither the perpetrators nor those whom the perpetrators outwitted, assuming that they are different people, have been held accountable. Going on 11 years and no trials of villains or chastisement of negligent public officials. This is remarkable.

What are you going to do about it?
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Trials-Without-Crimes-Or-E-by-Paul-Craig-Roberts-120425-939.html

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It's also true for out-of-control imperialism, war and peace overall, political corruption, corporate power, illusory democracy, elections little more than theater, police state lawlessness, an unprecedented wealth disparity, shocking poverty, unemployment, hunger and homelessness levels, and numerous other issues in the world's richest country.

Widespread public ignorance keeps these and other abuses out of public consciousness and concern enough to demand political Washington address them responsibly.

Instead, officials serve wealth and power alone. As a result, popular needs go begging, especially under mandated austerity to pay bankers and wage imperial wars.

A nation of morons literally lets America get away with murder, erode human and civil rights, and leave millions uninformed, on their own, out of luck.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/A-Nation-of-Morons-by-Stephen-Lendman-120426-341.html

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What are you going to do about it?

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You Are All Suspects Now. What Are You Going To Do About It? (Original Post) kpete Apr 2012 OP
Certainly, putting Democrats in high office hasn't changed anything substantially, alas villager Apr 2012 #1
Democratic leaders isn't the answer..It is COURAGEOUS Democratic Leaders rustydog Apr 2012 #3
....that pretty much rules out the "two" parties we have now... villager Apr 2012 #17
Plus my household. truedelphi Apr 2012 #28
Or doppelgängers were put into high office. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2012 #14
Unlike Mr. Pilger, I don't live in fear, nor do I use racial epithets to describe my President. msanthrope Apr 2012 #2
i don't live in fear either, but............ socialist_n_TN Apr 2012 #4
That sounds like fear to me. randome Apr 2012 #8
I'm not scared of the cops nor al qaeda. Life's too short NightWatcher Apr 2012 #5
LOL kpete Apr 2012 #11
Your missing socks reside in the belly of the dryer zeemike Apr 2012 #21
you are RIGHT kpete Apr 2012 #22
Ditto Nightwatcher wendylaroux Apr 2012 #24
Reference? Or just making shit up? saras Apr 2012 #10
Mr. Pilger called our President a "glossy Uncle Tom." msanthrope Apr 2012 #15
tell us what you dont like about paul craig roberts xiamiam Apr 2012 #19
I don't speak for misantrophe, but a brief google gave me: freshwest Apr 2012 #36
Post on the Intertubes...... snooper2 Apr 2012 #6
k & r, Royal Sloan 09 Apr 2012 #7
you can't turn back the clock on abrogated freedoms datasuspect Apr 2012 #9
tut-tut. remember, sensible woodchucks, if you haven't done anything wrong, KG Apr 2012 #12
Most Americans will remain ignorant about this or just meekly comply n/t deutsey Apr 2012 #13
as long as they don't have to put down the remote SemperEadem Apr 2012 #26
So sad, but too true deutsey Apr 2012 #34
What can one do when both parties in a two party system are complicit in our race towards fascism? Dragonfli Apr 2012 #16
"Doing something about it" is terrorism. kenny blankenship Apr 2012 #18
We're being spied on to protect our freedoms..kinda like being fucked for chastity. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2012 #20
Bwahahahah zeemike Apr 2012 #23
the shock doctrine is in full force SemperEadem Apr 2012 #25
Whatever I can. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #27
"What the hell are we supposed to do, ya moron?" peace frog Apr 2012 #29
I'm not going to go into a panic over fear mongeriing shit cali Apr 2012 #30
Concern about the erosion of constitutional protections is "fear mongering shit"? Comrade Grumpy Apr 2012 #32
Fuck you Pilger. Never could stand the guy cali Apr 2012 #31
Well, that's persuasive argumentation. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2012 #33
Put this in your sig and jam Big Brother's computers. Zalatix Apr 2012 #35
 

villager

(26,001 posts)
1. Certainly, putting Democrats in high office hasn't changed anything substantially, alas
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:22 AM
Apr 2012

Other strategies and tactics are obviously called for.

rustydog

(9,186 posts)
3. Democratic leaders isn't the answer..It is COURAGEOUS Democratic Leaders
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:34 AM
Apr 2012

those who don't give a shit if they lose the next election, they ran on PRINCIPLE and stuck with those principles.
If torture is wrong, you get rid of it!
If Corporations are not people, you risk your political future to Kill that notion and bury it deep in the fucking ground.
If 16 million children are going to bed hungry at night, we need to tell Boehner and Ryan, FUCK You, we're pulling funding for Halliburton and XE in Iraq and Afghanistan...and we are feeding our children tonight, tomorrow and forever.

We need to return to politicians who run for office to serve America, not Corporate America.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
28. Plus my household.
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 02:05 PM
Apr 2012

Only thing is, the political process is beyond broken.
We saw how it barely mattered, in terms of pulling away money from Halliburton and XE, even when we ahd the Democratic President in the WH, and the Democratic majority in both houses.

Far too many "Dems" in office are every bit as beholden to the MIC as the Republicans are.

Obama's Administration offered up over 255 Billions of dollars to the UAE, Israel, and the"modernization" of our military between August 2010 and November 2011. This is an obscene amount of money, as it doesn't even factor in the amounts of money spent in the same time period for things like Homeland Security and TSA.

Think of what that 255 Billions of dollars would have done for the states that are being bankrupted by the fact that they have much less tax revenue than six years ago.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
2. Unlike Mr. Pilger, I don't live in fear, nor do I use racial epithets to describe my President.
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:24 AM
Apr 2012

I get that fear sells---the first pop up when I clicked the OP links was a money appeal....

I expect we will hear about his buddy, Assange soon....

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
4. i don't live in fear either, but............
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:38 AM
Apr 2012

I'm as prepared as I can be for the possibility of jail or internment for my political beliefs. This country and indeed all of the capitalist "Democracies" are just an edict away from fascism. And I'm an implacable enemy of fascism. I expect internment is in my future.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
8. That sounds like fear to me.
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:45 AM
Apr 2012

America has some big problems but it is still the country where you can believe what you want.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
5. I'm not scared of the cops nor al qaeda. Life's too short
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:41 AM
Apr 2012

I'm doing my thing, enjoying what's left of my life, playing with my daughter, and enjoying every sandwich. If the plane I fly on next month goes down, it was a fun run. If the cops search my house without a warrant, I hope they'll let me know if they find a red flip flop I've misplaced.

kpete

(71,984 posts)
11. LOL
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:50 AM
Apr 2012

after they find that red flip flop of yours...
please send them over here to find my missing socks!
PLEASE

peace, kpete

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
21. Your missing socks reside in the belly of the dryer
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 01:31 PM
Apr 2012

Close dryers eat them...and I would guess that the feds would not know how to retrieve them...so you are out of luck.

 

saras

(6,670 posts)
10. Reference? Or just making shit up?
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:49 AM
Apr 2012

Racial epithet? You mean "President Obama"? It's the only reference to him in the article.

No ads for me - you must not know how to operate your browser.

"His buddy"? This isn't one of those "smear by association" sorts of things like the way the Tea Party thinks about people with cooties, is it? What the fuck is it about?

If he's on the same side as Assange, then he's working for human freedom, the right to make informed decisions, and the right to expose crime without fear of persecution, and it's EXACTLY the side I expect Democrats to be on.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
15. Mr. Pilger called our President a "glossy Uncle Tom."
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:11 PM
Apr 2012
http://www.newstatesman.com/north-america/2008/01/pilger-presidential-webb

Mr. Pilger is, in fact, a friend of Mr. Assange....he offered to put up bail for him, and is the leading proponent of the theory that Mr. Assange's sex crime accusers are fronted by the CIA.

Not all people who claim to be 'left' are worthwhile allies.

xiamiam

(4,906 posts)
19. tell us what you dont like about paul craig roberts
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 01:12 PM
Apr 2012

since it seems the messenger rather than the message you are most interested in

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
36. I don't speak for misantrophe, but a brief google gave me:
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:05 PM
Apr 2012


Here is Paul Craig Roberts' blog:

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2012/04/25/trials-without-crimes-or-evidence/

Many Democrats do not agree with Reaganomics, yet he still defends them:

http://www.zcommunications.org/paul-craig-roberts-indefensible-defense-of-reaganomics-by-jack-rasmus

From another website on the 'Father of Reaganomics':

Paul Craig Roberts father of Reagonomics : How we lost our economy


Paul Craig Roberts is a great researcher and whistlerblower , but Jeez anytime I hear that 'father of Reaganomics' it send chills up my spine and I say to myself : Why would I trust any one who was a creator of Reaganomics. It was Reagan who the first one to raid Social Security. It was Dick Cheney who said, Reagan proved that debt didn't matter. Well Debt does matter, and if this guy Paul Craig Roberts was creator of Reaganomics then he's part of the problem not the solution. well i hope I am just too paranoid and flat wrong



http://geraldcelentechannel.blogspot.com/2011/03/paul-craig-roberts-perfidy-of.html

So even if I was to find Roberts interesting, despite the company he keeps and what they are advocating, I have my doubts about his slant on things. We can't live in an information bubble and I find DU to be the best source of information and news on the net, as well as a lot of fun at times. I have been a Democrat for all my voting life and hard left, and my representatives are hard left, but outvoted.

I can also see the trends as to where this world is going, and I don't like it. I think we can only guide the future to something more humane and free by taking action, but not with guns as the right wants to rid the country of all liberals, Democrats, gays, women's rights and Obama.

And as I said, I don't speak for misathrope. I hope that anyone who is a fan of Mr. Roberts will understand I am not telling them to have a closed mind. And I do not, in any way, support the videos I have put here to illustrate why some people do not like or trust Mr. Roberts. If anyone believes I should remove them from this post, please post here or send me a PM and I will remove the videos or links from here.

Royal Sloan 09

(406 posts)
7. k & r,
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:45 AM
Apr 2012

I've seen the movie "Idiocracy", so my guess about the movie, it was a documentary of life in the future.

So the movie answered the question, and shows what happens when the nation of Morons run out of luck, only the movie had a hero to save the bunch of dumb asses from themselves and the destruction of everything.


But it was just a movie, right?

 

datasuspect

(26,591 posts)
9. you can't turn back the clock on abrogated freedoms
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:48 AM
Apr 2012

they more we surrender, the more they will take.

we are all illegal aliens now.

KG

(28,751 posts)
12. tut-tut. remember, sensible woodchucks, if you haven't done anything wrong,
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 11:56 AM
Apr 2012

you have nothing to worry about...

SemperEadem

(8,053 posts)
26. as long as they don't have to put down the remote
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 01:39 PM
Apr 2012

or turn off the computer or turn off their iPods, they will comply.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
16. What can one do when both parties in a two party system are complicit in our race towards fascism?
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:11 PM
Apr 2012

Voting for the lesser evil appears to lead to the same evils, (Patriot Act, NDAA, all of our private documents and conversations being gathered, no right to trial, death sentences without trial, indefinite detention).

How is the destruction of our civil liberties any less evil when it comes from the center right of fascism as opposed to a more traditionally right fascism?

Does dog shit smell better if one calls it Neo-Liberal rather than Neo-Con?
Smells the same to me and there is nothing I can do when both parties agree to screw us all.

kenny blankenship

(15,689 posts)
18. "Doing something about it" is terrorism.
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 12:27 PM
Apr 2012

Talking about doing something about it is grounds to suspect you of lending material support to terrorism. You are all suspects now just for being here, even though you will protest "But we've done nothing!" That's right you've done nothing, and that's what you're going to do.

SemperEadem

(8,053 posts)
25. the shock doctrine is in full force
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 01:39 PM
Apr 2012

and for those who called Ms. Klein "Cassandra", that doesn't negate the fact that what she said is true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassandra

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
27. Whatever I can.
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 01:58 PM
Apr 2012

At the moment that is withdrawing from the system as much as is possible. I don't feed the beast any more than is absolutely necessary.

First and foremost, no television and no debt, a checking account with no more than a small emergency fund in it, work for and pay with cash only, work with local human beings, avoid corporate products (especially food) as much as possible.

I really do need to get a passport.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
30. I'm not going to go into a panic over fear mongeriing shit
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 02:24 PM
Apr 2012

whether it's from the U.S. gov't or anyone else.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
32. Concern about the erosion of constitutional protections is "fear mongering shit"?
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 02:29 PM
Apr 2012

I remember when the government had to have a warrant to grab my communications.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
31. Fuck you Pilger. Never could stand the guy
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 02:26 PM
Apr 2012

yes, yes. I know he's a hero to many on the left.

He's a condescending asswipe.

 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
35. Put this in your sig and jam Big Brother's computers.
Thu Apr 26, 2012, 02:52 PM
Apr 2012

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