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Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 11:24 PM Feb 2015

Few white-collar people understand the degree to which manual labor chews up workers’ bodies"

Life in the Sickest Town in America
I drove from one of the healthiest counties in the country to the least-healthy, both in the same state. Here’s what I learned about work, well-being, and happiness.


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Just about everyone I spoke with at the Grundy clinic was a former manual worker, or married to one, and most had a story of a bone-crushing accident that had left them (or their spouse) out of work forever. For Rose, who came from the nearby town of Council, that day came in 1996, when he was pinned between two pillars in his job at a sawmill. He suffered through work until 2001, he told me, when he finally started collecting “his check,” as it’s often called. He had to go to a doctor to prove that he was truly hurting—he has deteriorating discs, he says, and chronic back pain. He was turned down twice, he thinks because he was just 30 years old at the time. Now the government sends him a monthly check for $956.

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But visiting a place like Grundy reveals a more complicated picture. There are undoubtedly some who exaggerate their ailments in order to collect their checks. But many of the coal workers here have experienced horrific on-the-job accidents and can’t go back to the mines. Other residents have been battered by diabetes, obesity, and tobacco. Others still suffer from severe depression and intellectual disabilities that would preclude most kinds of work. And most importantly, there are no other options here: no orthodontist’s office where someone can work the front desk; no big firms brimming with entry-level secretarial jobs. It’s not even clear how a person would go about calling around for a job here: My iPhone stopped working a few miles outside the county line.

Few white-collar people understand the degree to which manual labor chews up workers’ bodies. And in Grundy, there’s nowhere for them to go afterward.

“Here you have a Pandora's box of every social issue that might contribute to disability,” said Martin Wegbreit, the director of litigation at the Central Virginia Legal Aid Society. Before coming to Richmond in 2004, Wegbreit worked in southwest Virginia for nearly 20 years.

“These are jobs that even if they don't injure people, they wear people down,” he told me. “It's hard on the back, it's hard on the knees, it's hard on the entire body.”
http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/01/life-in-the-sickest-town-in-america/384718/


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Few white-collar people understand the degree to which manual labor chews up workers’ bodies" (Original Post) Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 OP
This is why it burns me every time I hear a politician, especially a Democrat... canoeist52 Feb 2015 #1
The higher the age, the greater number of people who will die before they can collect. NBachers Feb 2015 #2
+100 ND-Dem Feb 2015 #5
+100. Higher retirement age = more elderly who die before getting any/much retirement. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #6
Amen.... daleanime Feb 2015 #8
Yep. nt flying rabbit Feb 2015 #15
Such is life inside a sterile bubble Populist_Prole Feb 2015 #17
I can vouch for that as a mechanic bhikkhu Feb 2015 #3
thanks for your post gristy Feb 2015 #9
Got a question for you. MindPilot Feb 2015 #30
I always happy with a compliment, but I do know what you mean bhikkhu Feb 2015 #36
Thanks. Glad to hear you're hanging on. closeupready Feb 2015 #20
The first half of my working life was as a tech at a Ford dealer -- everything you say is true. MindPilot Feb 2015 #28
thx for this. i hadnt hought of auto mech work as wearing on the body Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 #42
While in college cwydro Feb 2015 #4
If you live in a coal town, you get that black crap everywhere. X_Digger Feb 2015 #12
I think there's even a line about that in Coal Miner's Daughter... cwydro Feb 2015 #13
When employers hire you they hire all of you, including your good health, get it? Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #7
I just started working a housecleaning job for an agency and while I appreciate that I am still DesertDiamond Feb 2015 #10
This is my home town (that I left as soon as I could.) X_Digger Feb 2015 #11
thanks for confirming the article Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 #40
I can well believe the toll that labor can take on it's workers. deafskeptic Feb 2015 #14
It took me a year of manual labor to contract meningitis, mainly from reduced immunity from ND-Dem Feb 2015 #16
K & R SunSeeker Feb 2015 #18
Son worked at an Amazon "fulfillment" center, e.g. warehouse No Vested Interest Feb 2015 #19
I believe in moderation in all things aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2015 #21
IF bosses are reasonable and don't put workers thru extreme pain and eventual disability. deafskeptic Feb 2015 #25
Few understand. And all of them don't care. nt kelliekat44 Feb 2015 #22
I think they mostly couldn't give a shit if they ate a whole pallet of ExLax after a mess of greens. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #23
my dad retired from a factory-he was used up dembotoz Feb 2015 #24
Retirement age depends on it Major Nikon Feb 2015 #26
Try lifting and moving patients for a living. Try holding a 4X8 piece of sheetrock to the .... Scuba Feb 2015 #27
I spent a summer in college laying marble tile in condos. FLPanhandle Feb 2015 #29
Until you actually do it, you have no idea how much raw muscle it takes to grout. MindPilot Feb 2015 #31
+1 FLPanhandle Feb 2015 #33
i thought i could lay down that faux marble in my bathroom. just carrying a few pieces Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 #41
And the 1% says they should pay less taxes, because they put their money at risk. grahamhgreen Feb 2015 #32
I checked groceries for 10 years while I worked my way through college. CrispyQ Feb 2015 #34
In "Harlan County USA" there is a vivid moment . . . Brigid Feb 2015 #35
Fantastic movie Cal Carpenter Feb 2015 #37
That's why labor needs Unions. Bluenorthwest Feb 2015 #38
K&R 99Forever Feb 2015 #39

canoeist52

(2,282 posts)
1. This is why it burns me every time I hear a politician, especially a Democrat...
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 11:28 PM
Feb 2015

talking about raising the age for Social Security. If anything, the age should be LOWERED!

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
6. +100. Higher retirement age = more elderly who die before getting any/much retirement.
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 11:58 PM
Feb 2015

Especially working class/physical and low-income workers who die.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
17. Such is life inside a sterile bubble
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 01:18 AM
Feb 2015

To them, The SS age can be raised for janitors because accountants are living longer.

Since they don't live in the real world, they can afford to promote policy "by the numbers" or "on paper" with their macro bullshit.

bhikkhu

(10,714 posts)
3. I can vouch for that as a mechanic
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 11:44 PM
Feb 2015

I worked with a crew in a busy shop a few years back. One guy aged out and retired at 65, he wasn't in bad shape, but he tended to take his time and spent as much time as he could running the counter - a slow and careful worker who didn't make mistakes and was well-liked by customers, such as used to be common and valued.

Two other guys were my age (early 40's) and hard workers, very productive and driven. One wound up with bad knees and finally needed surgery. While he was doing his month of rehab the big boss called him in and asked if he thought he was going to be able to come back and produce as he had been. The answer was no, and the boss's response was that he should take the month of paid leave to find another job.

I had some worsening knee issues myself, but wound up getting fired over a dispute with management. The other guy I worked with took over my job in the shop, but he had shoulder issues. The pain got bad enough after a year that he went in for a surgery consult. The doctor told him his rotator cuffs were so far gone, there wasn't enough left there to fix. He went out on permanent disability.

I went to a slower shop where I spent some time bookkeeping and so forth along with fixing cars, and stayed pretty healthy. Three guys I worked with at that shop had to quit while I was there, mostly for wear-and-tear physical issues. When I quit there after some years, I was replaced by a guy from the old busy shop I'd gotten fired from. He'd been fired himself for a bogus drug-test result, but mostly he was half broken down and couldn't keep up the pace without chronic pain.

...then I went to another busy shop where the pay and benefits are really good, but its really starting to wear me down again - chronic back pain, chronic foot pain, shoulder issues. Like most guys, I do the best I can and deal with it, and hope I last long enough to potentially retire. I've got 15 years to go, if I can manage that long.

Ten years ago I after the firing I tried to transition to an office or teaching job. I had plenty of college, computer skills, accounting, customer service and so forth, but my resume pretty much closed every door - blue collar is a tough role to shake.

 

MindPilot

(12,693 posts)
30. Got a question for you.
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 11:01 AM
Feb 2015

Why did you feel the need to compliment bhikkhu's writing?

Did you genuinely feel that piece is of a quality which exceeds the usual prose here at DU? Or did you fall into that trap of "Hey, you're surprisingly articulate for a grease monkey"?

I ask only because I have heard the latter far more than the former, so I tend to call out that fallacy wherever I encounter it.

bhikkhu

(10,714 posts)
36. I always happy with a compliment, but I do know what you mean
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 12:02 PM
Feb 2015

People everywhere are complex and multi-sided, more so if they develop naturally and aren't ground down by their economic circumstances and employment right out of school. We don't get much of an understanding of that from popular culture.

I got into mechanics myself because it came easily to me and took up very little brain-space (at the time), and I wanted a job that left me room to breath and time to spend on other things - I had things to learn, books to write, projects to work on...I'm not sure how well it's worked out compared to other paths I might have chosen. At 50, I have to be realistic now about things I wanted to accomplish that probably aren't ever going to happen, but I've been pretty fortunate compared to most.

Writing well is something I've always tried to do, and I went back to college at 40 largely to learn to communicate ideas and think more effectively.

 

MindPilot

(12,693 posts)
28. The first half of my working life was as a tech at a Ford dealer -- everything you say is true.
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 10:44 AM
Feb 2015

Fortunately I did mostly electrical work so save for occasionally balancing a full gas tank on my head I didn't have to clean & jerk a transmission half a dozen times a day like the heavy line guys. During my tenure two men died at work, both were in their 50's. One guy laid down on the front seat of the car he was working on, and the other was bent over the fender in such a way when his heart stopped he didn't even fall down.

After about 16 years, I herniated a disc in my neck and had to have surgery which left me with so little upper body strength, I could not continue fixing cars. Fortunately worker's comp paid all the bills; I was able to return to school, and now I work in in IT.

But your point about blue collar being a tough role to shake is spot on. Once I went job-hunting, it became very clear I had to figure out a way to get that off my resume, and when I did, the change was quite noticeable. Suddenly I started getting interviews.

There is very much an attitude out there that if you fix cars for a living, you're too stupid to do anything else.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
4. While in college
Sat Feb 7, 2015, 11:48 PM
Feb 2015

my anthropology class spent a couple days in Kentucky.

We went down in a coal mine. I was a caver at the time, but I was still freaked out big time. The noise of the coal creaking above us...the smells, the noise.

I'm 5'3" and the ceiling was barely over my head. No idea how the big guys down there did it (though most were pretty short).

And if you ever go down in a coal mine, and then blow your nose when you come out - it is pure black.

And we were down about an hour.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
12. If you live in a coal town, you get that black crap everywhere.
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 12:44 AM
Feb 2015

As a kid, I could clean behind my ears when washing up for dinner-- coal dust.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
13. I think there's even a line about that in Coal Miner's Daughter...
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 12:46 AM
Feb 2015

(one of my favorite movies).

But yeah, that experience was eye-opening to me.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
7. When employers hire you they hire all of you, including your good health, get it?
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 12:18 AM
Feb 2015

Good health of all workers is expensive and has not been factored into the bottom line.

You want cheap power or healthy workers, you can not have both, these are the only choices.

Nice income you have there, Mr. Miner, shame if anything should happen to it.

DesertDiamond

(1,616 posts)
10. I just started working a housecleaning job for an agency and while I appreciate that I am still
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 12:34 AM
Feb 2015

young and vigorous enough to do the job without much physical result, it makes me wonder how people can be house cleaners long-term. The wear and tear on the body is horrendous.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
11. This is my home town (that I left as soon as I could.)
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 12:40 AM
Feb 2015

Some points of the article are downright stupid (e.g. there's always been multiple grocery stores in town- you can't drive into town without seeing one of them) but in other aspects, it's spot on.

deafskeptic

(463 posts)
14. I can well believe the toll that labor can take on it's workers.
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 12:59 AM
Feb 2015

Although I do not come from a blue collar family, I've worked in the food industry mostly as a shelf worker, a line cook and various other food related jobs.

One summer I worked at Kings Dominion in between jobs. Work was brutal. We would do 15 hour work shifts and we were not allowed to sit down for more than 30 minutes. It wasn't unusual for us to serve at least 2k people a day. The work left me in a great deal of pain and I could barely walk by the time I got home. It also left me feeling exhausted.

A life time of doing work like this would certainly take it's toll on the workers. There has to be something better than this.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
16. It took me a year of manual labor to contract meningitis, mainly from reduced immunity from
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 01:10 AM
Feb 2015

overwork.

And it's left me with a lot of anger over the treatment of low-wage workers in America.

No Vested Interest

(5,165 posts)
19. Son worked at an Amazon "fulfillment" center, e.g. warehouse
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 02:27 AM
Feb 2015

during a Christmas season.

Speed was all important; they were timed on how quickly they put items away, or "picked" items to send.
Employees were not allowed to sit except for a brief lunch.
"Points" were given for tardiness, and when a certain number reached, the employee was let go.

Employees were obviously dispensable, for there are always more waiting to get a job.

I'm sure others here can tell more about the problems of today's warehouse work.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
21. I believe in moderation in all things
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 02:44 AM
Feb 2015

A little bit of physical work can be healthy. I think mailmen or mailwomen who walk all day are keeping their cardiovascular system fit. On the other hand, people who never move all day in a chair in a cubicle aren't doing themselves good.

deafskeptic

(463 posts)
25. IF bosses are reasonable and don't put workers thru extreme pain and eventual disability.
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 10:18 AM
Feb 2015

I've come to believe there's no such thing as a benevolent boss. Labor is for the most part grueling and can take an enormous toll on the body. I would like to see regulations concerning worker's long term health and work related injuries.

It never made sense to me that workers should be paid low wages that barely keep them alive. A lot of people from my old zip address did not agree with me, including my own family.

I know people who have work place injuries from working in the Post Office (Carpal Tunnel Syndrome is a common complaint). Many of my friends who worked for the USPO say it's like working for the Communist Party.

I'm pretty certain there are more than a few people here who have worked for the PO on this forum and that they can confirm what I'm saying..

dembotoz

(16,796 posts)
24. my dad retired from a factory-he was used up
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 08:45 AM
Feb 2015

he did not last real long after retirement

i do not know if he would have lasted a couple more year if soc sec age is increased

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
26. Retirement age depends on it
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 10:37 AM
Feb 2015

Actuaries know that people who retire between 62-65 generally don't live very long afterward. People who retire sooner or later typically love longer. Factory work often eats up people's bodies to the extent that few are able to retire later. So the idea is you retire, you go home, and you die. Dying younger means the employee costs the company less.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
27. Try lifting and moving patients for a living. Try holding a 4X8 piece of sheetrock to the ....
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 10:38 AM
Feb 2015

.... ceiling while operating an electric drill.

Now imagine trying to do that at age 65.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
29. I spent a summer in college laying marble tile in condos.
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 10:51 AM
Feb 2015

Young, healthy, runner, and that job wiped me out. Hauling tile up stairwells, kneeling and bending over all day, while paying meticulous attention to detail.

Exhausting and I worked with, what I thought at the time was old, a guy in his 40's who had been doing it his entire life. I was in awe someone could do that year after year.

 

MindPilot

(12,693 posts)
31. Until you actually do it, you have no idea how much raw muscle it takes to grout.
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 11:11 AM
Feb 2015

They make it look so easy on TV.

 

Liberal_in_LA

(44,397 posts)
41. i thought i could lay down that faux marble in my bathroom. just carrying a few pieces
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 02:56 PM
Feb 2015

Was hard. I had to open the box and move the pieces on groups. And it was tiring to bend down and move pieces into place. And this stuff was much lighter than the real stuff

CrispyQ

(36,437 posts)
34. I checked groceries for 10 years while I worked my way through college.
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 11:46 AM
Feb 2015

I left with bursitis in my shoulder, tendonitis in my wrist & a bad knee from standing on concrete, because the store wouldn't allow us to stand on rubber mats. That was just 10 years, not what you would consider a physically challenging job, & I was young back then.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
35. In "Harlan County USA" there is a vivid moment . . .
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 11:48 AM
Feb 2015

In which a pathologist holds up a large shred of blackened tissue with a pair of tweezers and says this is what is left of a dead coal miner's lung. Miners endure until they're disabled enough to collect disability, and by then it's too late to restore their health. Then they're begrudged that measly check.

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