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CK_John

(10,005 posts)
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 12:19 AM Apr 2012

If Mitt is such a poor candidate, why does everyone that counts say it will be a very close election

Is it because it always is a close election, or is it something else. Does anything they say or do, count before mid Oct?

What say you?

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If Mitt is such a poor candidate, why does everyone that counts say it will be a very close election (Original Post) CK_John Apr 2012 OP
Because the economy continues to be a catastrophe MannyGoldstein Apr 2012 #1
Yes cwydro Apr 2012 #14
change DonCoquixote Apr 2012 #15
How's this for no change: Jamaal510 Apr 2012 #20
the media wants ratings and people to tune in , but this can influence voters also JI7 Apr 2012 #2
because of the voting machines Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2012 #3
If they said Old Codger Apr 2012 #4
Also.... loyalsister Apr 2012 #55
Because the racist GOP base woke up and is determined to vote this November. onehandle Apr 2012 #5
The youth will be denied access to the polls. Zalatix Apr 2012 #27
Not here they won't. Bluenorthwest Apr 2012 #46
Really? There are that many white men? aquart Apr 2012 #31
+1 baldguy Apr 2012 #34
Electoral college Retrograde Apr 2012 #6
Several factors: silverweb Apr 2012 #7
Everybody would say it will be close even if they don't think so Orangepeel Apr 2012 #8
Because as much as they don't like Mittens, Marie Marie Apr 2012 #9
Hmmmm....everyone that COUNTS, eh? Hope they aren't counting the votes! MADem Apr 2012 #10
Four words; The Fix Is In MotorCityMan Apr 2012 #11
Because we are a nation of fools. MrSlayer Apr 2012 #12
Because for many of us cwydro Apr 2012 #13
Mitt Romney thanks you DonCoquixote Apr 2012 #16
NDAA..... The Patriot Act... The Catfood Commission... Geithner..Bernake, Summers... lib2DaBone Apr 2012 #21
NDAA passed by a veto-proof, bipartisan majority dogknob Apr 2012 #24
Ignorance will help Rmoney. Atman Apr 2012 #22
Damn! He wasn't the Messiah. Told you so. aquart Apr 2012 #30
Only the polls are close, but the electoral map is leaning HEAVILY in favor of Obama. FarLeftFist Apr 2012 #17
Because Obama's still black. LadyHawkAZ Apr 2012 #18
So how did Obama win big in 2008? Nye Bevan Apr 2012 #38
He didn't win by a whopping huge margin of the popular vote LadyHawkAZ Apr 2012 #54
For what it's worth... Quantess Apr 2012 #19
They lie!! mfcorey1 Apr 2012 #23
"Rigged" is the key word for this issue! dmosh42 Apr 2012 #25
You actually HAVE to ask this question? estiparanoic Apr 2012 #26
What is ODS? Quantess Apr 2012 #28
ODS = Obama Derangement Syndrome estiparanoic Apr 2012 #29
aha. Thanks. Quantess Apr 2012 #32
Diebold/Sequoia/ESS Scuba Apr 2012 #33
For many people, it will be a vote against Obama, not a vote for Romney. Arkansas Granny Apr 2012 #35
Yup... AmazingSchnitzel Apr 2012 #45
Perhaps, but that is not a winning strategy. DCBob Apr 2012 #53
Faux newz and other RW media can turn a turd into a treasure. DCBob Apr 2012 #36
Many people vote against the incumbent when the economy is bad. Nye Bevan Apr 2012 #37
There has to be the illusion of a close race, for the election theft to go unchallenged. nt Snotcicles Apr 2012 #39
Because everyone that counts was paid for saying that. sofa king Apr 2012 #40
A couple of million Mormons on phone banks and in the streets CanonRay Apr 2012 #41
Why? 99Forever Apr 2012 #42
Because it's election season and close elections means better ratings LynneSin Apr 2012 #43
There are only about 8 states that'll decide the election. Kaleva Apr 2012 #44
everyone that counts? What? Bluenorthwest Apr 2012 #47
The Republicans could run Mickey Mouse and the election would be close. archiemo Apr 2012 #48
Got to keep it close or lots of 24/7 pundits lose their jobs. JoePhilly Apr 2012 #49
Part of it is due to people who believe ... GeorgeGist Apr 2012 #50
Exactly who comprises"everyone that counts"? mulsh Apr 2012 #51
Ratings. Ship of Fools Apr 2012 #52
 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
1. Because the economy continues to be a catastrophe
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 12:21 AM
Apr 2012

And Romney is not obviously insane.

People are desperate for change - even if they may not be thrilled with Romney, they might think it's worth a shot.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
14. Yes
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 02:38 AM
Apr 2012

You said what I was thinking, and posted downthread.

People ARE desperate for change.

Obama has not given us any change.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
15. change
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 02:47 AM
Apr 2012

half of whioch was hampered by the Democratic congress, aka DINOS. Obama did change in that he did stop the rush to kill programs like social security and medicare that would be dead as doornails under McCain. He did invest in a company like GM, saving it from being sold to the Chinese.

But also, let's not forget, Mitt is the candidate, but he is NOT the one people are voting to control the country, that battle was won in 2010, where congress, using Grover Norquist, openly says "we are NOT looking for a leader, just a pen." I did a whole thread on that, and many were surprised to see the GOP act that brazen.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
20. How's this for no change:
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 03:29 AM
Apr 2012
http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/

P.S. You mentioned not voting for Obama again (which is indirectly a vote for Romney), so I hope you're prepared to have him as president...a guy who doesn't even have a health care plan, a guy who wants to raise taxes on everyone but the top income earners, continue austerity, outsource jobs, and continue the wars.
 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
4. If they said
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 12:27 AM
Apr 2012

it would be a runaway for Obama no one would watch much any more, they cannot have that so will do anything to keep interest up so you will tune in.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
5. Because the racist GOP base woke up and is determined to vote this November.
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 12:28 AM
Apr 2012

See 2010.

The youth better tear themselves away from reality TV this year and vote.


 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
46. Not here they won't.
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 09:38 AM
Apr 2012

I can promise you that in my State, no one is denied access to election participation. We don't do 'polling places' nor do we 'check in' with folks at a desk.

Retrograde

(10,133 posts)
6. Electoral college
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 12:32 AM
Apr 2012

It doesn't matter who wins the popular vote in November - it's who gets a majority of the electoral votes. That's why the GOP has been so active in getting voter-obstruction laws in place in states like Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania where there are a lot of electoral votes to be had and the populace is considered on the fence. Remember 2000?

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
7. Several factors:
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 12:35 AM
Apr 2012

[font color="navy" face="Verdana"](1) Red States' restrictions on voting that will disproportionately affect Democratic voters.

(2) ReTHUG misinformation and intimidation tactics around Election Day targeting Democratic voters.

(3) Election fraud, i.e., voting machines, and "lost" mail ballots and overseas military ballots (now favoring Democrats).

(4) The need to avoid cockiness and/or complacency when looking at the President's poll numbers.

(5) The realization that the President will be powerless to achieve many of our goals if we don't also give him a majority Senate and better odds in the House.

[font size=3](6) The urgent necessity for Democrats to win this election by such overwhelming numbers that NO amount of cheating or tampering by reTHUGs and their stooges will tilt the outcome in their favor.[/font]

[font color="purple" font size=6 face="Comic Sans"]GObama! [/font]




[font color="navy" face="Verdana"]And on that note, I have to get back to work. Later, guys!

Orangepeel

(13,933 posts)
8. Everybody would say it will be close even if they don't think so
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 12:45 AM
Apr 2012

The campaign that's ahead will say it will be close because they don't want supporters to be complacent and because they still want to raise money.

The campaign that's behind will say it will be close because they don't want supporters to be discouraged and because they still want to raise money.

The media will say it will be close because they need ratings. The talking heads will convince themselves it's close because that's where the stories are.

It may actually be close. There is a lot of polarization in the country, many people have their minds made up no matter who the candidates are, and "independents" are often fickle.

But you can't go by what everyone is saying because they would all say that anyway.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
10. Hmmmm....everyone that COUNTS, eh? Hope they aren't counting the votes!
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 01:14 AM
Apr 2012

It is a money-maker for lots of people--most specifically, media news outlets (who can charge more for their commercial air time)--if an election is close.

The candidates and their PACS are encouraged to pour tons of money into media buys, which puts a lot of people to work and makes money-money-money for the networks.

Any corporate media interest with an eye on the bottom line wants to create a sense of a horse race, even if the race is between the Old Gray Mare and Secretariat.

MotorCityMan

(1,203 posts)
11. Four words; The Fix Is In
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 01:51 AM
Apr 2012

The ReThugs have been doing everything they can to make it harder to vote all over the nation. They'll steal it if they can by any means necessary. Already did in '00 and '04.

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
12. Because we are a nation of fools.
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 02:05 AM
Apr 2012

Couple that with citizens united, voter id and other dirty tricks and it will be close.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
13. Because for many of us
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 02:35 AM
Apr 2012

there is a great disappointment in the man we helped elect.

I cannot imagine voting Republican, but I will not vote for Obama again.

Neither will my parents and a great many others I know. The oil spill debacle, the bailout of Wall Street, his ambiguousness on gay marriage, the failure to enforce environmental regulations, his coziness with Boehner et al.

No. Not anymore. I am done with him.

Very sad. The change we can believe in (hah!) is the change that is coming.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
16. Mitt Romney thanks you
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 02:49 AM
Apr 2012

Because he knows that the GOP will close ranks around someone, while many Demos take their ball and go home when they are offended.

 

lib2DaBone

(8,124 posts)
21. NDAA..... The Patriot Act... The Catfood Commission... Geithner..Bernake, Summers...
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 05:29 AM
Apr 2012

None of it makes any sense.. why would he sign on to this?

aquart

(69,014 posts)
30. Damn! He wasn't the Messiah. Told you so.
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 07:31 AM
Apr 2012

But pardon me for being aghast at a response that wouldn't impress me from a spoiled, breath-holding two-year-old.

You didn't get what you want so who cares what happens to the Supreme Court which will cripple us for a century?

Of all the selfish, short-sighted.....this is the kind of response I would expect from a Republican mind.

YOU GET OFF YOUR ASS AND YOU VOTE DEMOCRATIC!

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
18. Because Obama's still black.
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 03:10 AM
Apr 2012

And he isn't getting any whiter. And everyone knows you can't properly hate women, gays, minorities or poor people if you're black. And if you don't properly hate women, gays, minorities and poor people, you're un-American. Faux News said so!

And unfortunately, these people are allowed to vote.

Quantess

(27,630 posts)
19. For what it's worth...
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 03:17 AM
Apr 2012

I've been in Sweden for a couple of years now, so the only US media I see anymore is a little here and there on the internet.

The perspective here is that Obama is expected to win. But that could be just wishful thinking on the swedish media's part...?

 

estiparanoic

(15 posts)
26. You actually HAVE to ask this question?
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 06:19 AM
Apr 2012

Romney will get any where from 46-51 million votes just because he is a Pub and add to that ODS fueled by the RW propaganda outlets a right leaning Democratic President who does not seem to care a whole lot about liberal and progressive issues and routinely throws us under the bus and President Romney could be a very real possibility.



Arkansas Granny

(31,514 posts)
35. For many people, it will be a vote against Obama, not a vote for Romney.
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 08:23 AM
Apr 2012

They want to defeat Obama at all costs, even if they don't necessarily like Romney.

 

AmazingSchnitzel

(55 posts)
45. Yup...
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 09:33 AM
Apr 2012

2nd term elections are often a referendum on the sitting President and are less about the opposition candidate.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
53. Perhaps, but that is not a winning strategy.
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 11:16 AM
Apr 2012

If that is the attitude many of those voters wont show up. If they dont like either candidate then many will lose interest.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
36. Faux newz and other RW media can turn a turd into a treasure.
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 08:27 AM
Apr 2012

plus the fact there is about 40% of the electorate will vote R no matter what.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
37. Many people vote against the incumbent when the economy is bad.
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 08:31 AM
Apr 2012

The subtlety of "it would have been even worse with the Republican as President" is lost on them.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
40. Because everyone that counts was paid for saying that.
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 08:44 AM
Apr 2012

Talking heads get paid for their appearances on television. They get invited back when they say it's going to be close, because that raises viewership, brings in more advertising money, and gives the Jerry Springer shows that masquerade as "news" something to waste a day on.

Those who call it like I see it--in the bag barring something truly evil being perpetrated by the GOP (which I fully expect them to try)--simply aren't welcome.

The truth is not profitable, and it does not allow for the opportunity to get close enough to steal the election.

So it is not told.

CanonRay

(14,099 posts)
41. A couple of million Mormons on phone banks and in the streets
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 09:12 AM
Apr 2012

plus untold billions in money and ads. Add it up, it spells trouble for anyone, even against a dufus like Rmoney.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
42. Why?
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 09:27 AM
Apr 2012

How about because the last President who PROMISED ME HOPE AND CHANGE and I supported, worked to get elected, and voted for has ignored my plight since he got my vote and took office?

(And yes, it IS very personal to me.)

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
47. everyone that counts? What?
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 09:42 AM
Apr 2012

I think you mean 'everyone that counts a financial stake in the idea of the election as a close race'.
And not only a financial stake...no side can afford to claim an election is anything other than close, as if they do, many of their own will disengage and that will keep turn out low. No one in electoral politics will say 'this is a cake walk' as simply saying that makes it no longer a cake walk.

archiemo

(492 posts)
48. The Republicans could run Mickey Mouse and the election would be close.
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 09:56 AM
Apr 2012

It doesn't matter one bit who they put up against President Obama. A certain percentage of the population would pull the lever for anything with "R" by their name.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
49. Got to keep it close or lots of 24/7 pundits lose their jobs.
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 09:58 AM
Apr 2012

And those are the only jobs they care about.

mulsh

(2,959 posts)
51. Exactly who comprises"everyone that counts"?
Sun Apr 29, 2012, 10:58 AM
Apr 2012

Most of the people I've heard saying that are republican party shills and unemployable has been talking heads cluttering up right wing "think tanks".

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