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Rachel Maddow Is Right (Original Post) babylonsister Apr 2012 OP
K&R MichiganVote Apr 2012 #1
+1 orpupilofnature57 Apr 2012 #2
Once again - if my wages had kept pace, we'd be out of debt! hedgehog Apr 2012 #3
k&r Little Star Apr 2012 #4
Of course she's right and all the while the GOP claim there is no war on women. AtomicKitten Apr 2012 #5
K&R midnight Apr 2012 #6
ReTHUGS lie and lie and lie malaise Apr 2012 #7
Castellanos HAD to talk over her! Icicle Apr 2012 #8
True - she's light years ahead of him malaise Apr 2012 #9
She handled him beautifully pinboy3niner Apr 2012 #12
Yeah, I was shouting at the TeeVee. DCKit May 2012 #24
It's a pretty uninformative headline... thesquanderer Apr 2012 #10
So sorry you found it uninformative. I'll try better next time. nt babylonsister Apr 2012 #17
Rachel is about to tear them a new one malaise Apr 2012 #18
on Ed now n/t malaise Apr 2012 #11
It was great! Brigid Apr 2012 #14
She usually is. Buns_of_Fire Apr 2012 #13
K&R burrowowl Apr 2012 #15
Well, obviously, the women need to make more babies to boost their income. krispos42 Apr 2012 #16
except she's not hfojvt Apr 2012 #19
you might be able to sell that except for mopinko Apr 2012 #20
Rachel was referring plcdude May 2012 #32
+ Freaking One. stevedeshazer Apr 2012 #21
Yes she is! lonestarnot Apr 2012 #22
it's a sign of the times, and the miserable state of our M$M that this is even debatable got root Apr 2012 #23
Of COURSE Rachel is right pinboy3niner May 2012 #25
Here that segment from last night malaise May 2012 #27
KnR #50 opihimoimoi May 2012 #26
It's unbelievable that anyone disputes this. nt shcrane71 May 2012 #28
Where are the manly men who are always showing up to tell us BlancheSplanchnik May 2012 #29
Fuck Alex Castellanos and the elephant he rode in on. bullwinkle428 May 2012 #30
I worked alongside men felix_numinous May 2012 #31
 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
5. Of course she's right and all the while the GOP claim there is no war on women.
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 07:22 PM
Apr 2012

It's a magic trick I tells ya.

Icicle

(121 posts)
8. Castellanos HAD to talk over her!
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 07:41 PM
Apr 2012

If he let her speak and make her point, it would make him look like an ass. Therefore, babble over the person who is speaking the truth.
Obstruct, obfuscate, lie, lie lie. That's all the Repubs have.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
12. She handled him beautifully
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 08:38 PM
Apr 2012

Rachel is always sharp and on point. Well, except when she's talking about 'Boat Jail.'

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
24. Yeah, I was shouting at the TeeVee.
Tue May 1, 2012, 02:06 AM
May 2012

Just goes to show how afraid they are of Rachel, or anyone else with those liberally biased "fact" thingies.

He was there to waste as much time as possible in order that the show would end before Rachel was able to make the argument. However, Rachel is smart enough to now realize how important this issue is to them, and she's going to use the hell out of it. They are struggling mightily with women, and "Teh War on Women" is going to hurt them badly in November.

Oh, and David Gregory is totally useless. He should be on the road "Rappin' With KKKarl Rove" instead of hosting what used to be one of the most prestigious Sunday shows - but that's his reward for cheerleading the WH based war criminals assess for eight years.

thesquanderer

(11,972 posts)
10. It's a pretty uninformative headline...
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 08:13 PM
Apr 2012

...because basically you could post a new topic with that headline almost every day.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,157 posts)
13. She usually is.
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 08:40 PM
Apr 2012

Of course, that's like saying "Mitt's a Twit" -- it was true yesterday, it's true today, and I'm pretty sure it'll be true tomorrow.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
16. Well, obviously, the women need to make more babies to boost their income.
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 08:58 PM
Apr 2012

The Romneys tell me this is employment, so it must be true.


Or something.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
19. except she's not
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 09:07 PM
Apr 2012

comparing medians is not comparing people who are doing the same job. Reading an article yesterday, I found this

"It is worth noting that economists and sociologists who have examined this issue across a wider range of firms have tended to come to a similar conclusion: pay differences between men an women in the same narrowly-defined occupational categories within the same firm tend to be small. (Blau, 1977; Groshen, 1991; Peterson & Morgan, 1995; and Bayard, Hellerstein, Neumark, & Troske, 1999) However, even when men and women are in the same occupation, they tend to be segregated by firm, and such establishment segregation contributes substantially to the gender pay gap."

http://www.stanford.edu/group/scspi/_media/pdf/key_issues/gender_research.pdf

Except that comparing two people working for different companies is not comparing people who are doing the same job.

Of course "small" is a qualitative term. Does it mean 95 cents on the dollar, 99 cents on the dollar, 102 cents on the dollar, or what?

But no matter what, the 77 cents on the dollar is an apples to oranges comparison that is not generally accurate if one compares apples to apples.

mopinko

(70,003 posts)
20. you might be able to sell that except for
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 09:23 PM
Apr 2012

that 275 to 1 (or whatever the exact number is) professions where women make less than men.
and working for "different companies" is easily influenced by gender. go to the ihop some time and see how many men are waiting tables there, and then go downtown and see how many women are working in the top tier restaurants. same job different companies? sure, that explains why they don't hire women to wait tables downtown.

plcdude

(5,309 posts)
32. Rachel was referring
Tue May 1, 2012, 04:39 PM
May 2012

to equal pay for the same job not the graphic above. Forbes, the bastion of the liberal press had an interesting article on this during equal pay day, http://www.forbes.com/sites/jennagoudreau/2012/04/17/today-women-need-to-demand-equal-pay/

stevedeshazer

(21,653 posts)
21. + Freaking One.
Mon Apr 30, 2012, 09:50 PM
Apr 2012

Sending to my daughter.

These men who believe that women don't deserve the same pay as men are ignoring that they have mothers, sisters, girlfriends, daughters and by the look of most of 'em, granddaughters included. And grandsons.

There are more women than men. Frankly, the only reason I can think of to keep women's pay down is because you really believe women should make less. Period. You think males are worth more. Sorry, my mom, grandmothers, aunts and cousins don't agree. They all worked just as hard as my nearly-as-industrious dad, uncles and grandmas.

Rachel is right.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
25. Of COURSE Rachel is right
Tue May 1, 2012, 02:16 AM
May 2012

She is almost always right. If she weren't, we'd probably have to send her to Boat Jail.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
29. Where are the manly men who are always showing up to tell us
Tue May 1, 2012, 01:50 PM
May 2012

that we women don't know what we're talking about?



stick it, dudes.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
31. I worked alongside men
Tue May 1, 2012, 04:29 PM
May 2012

for years (except for a government job that gave us a Gs rating) who made significantly more per hour than I did.

The ERA is past due!!!!! President Obama would totally rock if he passed this amendment, right?

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