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MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 03:45 PM Mar 2015

A thread in support of ousting Third Wayer Rahm Emanuel

From Chicago government, and from all government, forever. It'll be a tough thing to do, but let's think good thoughts and help as we can.

Our ideas may be "#%^*ing retarded" Rahm, but at least we're decent human beings who don't seek to cheat, steal, lie or torture. And we'd like government that reflects those values.

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A thread in support of ousting Third Wayer Rahm Emanuel (Original Post) MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 OP
Rahm isn't a "third-wayer". He's a Republican in Democratic clothing. Period. eom BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #1
Aren't they all? leveymg Mar 2015 #2
No. Not really, as I understand the definition of "third-wayer". eom BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #5
Ok. What IS the difference between a 3rd-Wayer and a "moderate Republican"? leveymg Mar 2015 #16
The fact that someone claled "BlueCaliDem" votes for them, of course Scootaloo Mar 2015 #27
Do you know who BlueCaliDem votes for, or cheapdate Mar 2015 #101
The Turd Way crowd can basically be summed up as hifiguy Mar 2015 #38
That's a good practical "working" definition of them Populist_Prole Mar 2015 #46
"a mindset that stated that the traditional championing of the labor/working class base was ND-Dem Mar 2015 #81
Yep, and the ever-opportunistic Clintons, seeking to feather their own nest, hifiguy Mar 2015 #134
Ike was a business republican and he was better than third wayers. Didn't want to ship jobs ND-Dem Mar 2015 #80
Eisenhower and Nixon need to be viewed in the context of FDR's massive victories and merrily Mar 2015 #102
like i said; that may well be, but the republicans of the time had to talk democratic, and ND-Dem Mar 2015 #103
On the one hand, it's no surprise who feels most like voting does not matter. On the other hand, merrily Mar 2015 #104
i don't understand. is this a response to my post or just a general comment? ND-Dem Mar 2015 #109
Probably me, merrily Mar 2015 #110
Also, Eisenhower was not a dyed-in-the-wool Republican Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #106
Ike was well to the left of the Turd Way, in terms of economic policy. hifiguy Mar 2015 #135
Knocked it out of the park and rang a church bell with it a 100 miles away! TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #84
That is a highly accurate description of the 3rd Wayers Joe Turner Mar 2015 #99
That is probably a good definition. In Arkansas we went from conservative Democrats to LiberalArkie Mar 2015 #118
A "moderate Republican" will do something for the People.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2015 #66
Totally n/t zentrum Mar 2015 #25
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #59
I thought that's what 3rd way meant, in reality-land. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #79
RAHM IS A NEOLIBERAL JUST LIKE the CLINTON'S Rockyj Mar 2015 #96
Sadly, there's a whole bunch of them in today's Democratic party. marmar Mar 2015 #119
Especially in California. Republicans run as Democrats but vote consistently Republican in the House BlueCaliDem Mar 2015 #122
To think this weasel,.. Segami Mar 2015 #3
Obama nominated Rahm to have Obama's ear--and then some--as chief of staff merrily Mar 2015 #6
I wonder who is behind this Chicago Gang. I know Penny Pritzker is involved, but rhett o rick Mar 2015 #7
Dunno. Old School Daley machine meets Third Way elites? merrily Mar 2015 #12
Exelon - nuclear industry. leveymg Mar 2015 #18
Thanks. I have to look them up. nm rhett o rick Mar 2015 #31
A Chicago thing. +big donor Penny Pritzker of Hilton (& Superior Bank), Wall St., Rubin et al. appalachiablue Mar 2015 #51
Of course he knew. 840high Mar 2015 #93
more of a ferret than an ordinary weasel, note the dark mask around the eyes HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #14
ferrets don't brag about fucking over their own core voters after we elect them, so whereisjustice Mar 2015 #41
Tenacious and go for the throat... HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #42
One of our first clues.. sendero Mar 2015 #56
Senator Obama on Rahm Emanuel demwing Mar 2015 #4
Dark Comedy Rahm Roast RiverLover Mar 2015 #17
Do you live in Chicago? MineralMan Mar 2015 #8
WE don't have any elections right now zipplewrath Mar 2015 #35
Feigning ignorance about conservatives running for office, I suppose that's a Third Way to do it. whereisjustice Mar 2015 #97
Hey, if it's not in your backyard, leave it for the people who can buy it, no? AllyCat Mar 2015 #100
anyone who hates teachers this much is a roguevalley Mar 2015 #9
Your post was alerted on, and here are the results: CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2015 #75
Thank you, California Peggy. I am shocked that roguevalley Mar 2015 #86
Ah, that alerter wasn't offended by the word, but by criticism of a 3rd wayer. Divernan Mar 2015 #114
Love the comment liberalhistorian Mar 2015 #95
OMG. That one belongs in the Pathetic DU Alerts Hall of Fame. marmar Mar 2015 #120
Heck yeah, I'm in! RiverLover Mar 2015 #10
Great post and link! ReRe Mar 2015 #40
Thanks for that link... KoKo Mar 2015 #43
grass-roots politics CAN beat big money. Agony Mar 2015 #55
Our greatest challenge dreamnightwind Mar 2015 #107
Excellent article MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #116
Reinforces the ASSessment Plucketeer Mar 2015 #124
This should have its own thread pscot Mar 2015 #133
I wouldn't vote for him if I live there but that is up to Chicago residents. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #11
This thread is more to support Chicago residents in kicking him out of office. RiverLover Mar 2015 #13
I understand that. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #22
I don't understand. obxhead Mar 2015 #19
How dare you! obxhead Mar 2015 #15
But..but..he's "Not as Bad" and we must support him. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #20
K&R! marym625 Mar 2015 #21
Anything we can do to help? MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #49
Just keep doing what you do best marym625 Mar 2015 #62
Well SusanCalvin Mar 2015 #64
You can check out Chuy's website and mucifer Mar 2015 #77
I donated at ActBlue MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #117
Hey marym. I donated to Chuey Autumn Mar 2015 #136
Good for you! Glad to hear that! marym625 Mar 2015 #137
I'm starting a Conga-Line libodem Mar 2015 #23
That guy had to go the day he Phlem Mar 2015 #24
What like a coup or assassination? MyNameGoesHere Mar 2015 #26
Rahm has been forced to a runoff Dem primary for Mayor against Jesus. stillwaiting Mar 2015 #29
Like a quarantine. grahamhgreen Mar 2015 #32
You're either for corporations... americannightmare Mar 2015 #28
NAILED IT! gregcrawford Mar 2015 #30
Well stated. Extremely well stated. Divernan Mar 2015 #113
Emanuel is a malicious, self-serving little... gregcrawford Mar 2015 #33
I'll support that every day of the week, all year long, every year, and twice on Sunday. LWolf Mar 2015 #34
I support Rahm's ouster. bigwillq Mar 2015 #36
here's what you can do now Ichingcarpenter Mar 2015 #37
Centrists claim it's simply pragmatic to call torture a noble expression of patriotism, after all whereisjustice Mar 2015 #39
K & R GoneFishin Mar 2015 #44
Let's let the people of Chicago go vote. Skidmore Mar 2015 #45
Yeah but feel free to send Chuy money if you want to remember mucifer Mar 2015 #78
K&R Tom Ripley Mar 2015 #47
This is the Democratic Underground , We support Dem's Here What do you want Ted Cruz for Mayor? bahrbearian Mar 2015 #48
Wait...Rahm Emanuel is...a Democrat?!? Well, I'll be darned. Zorra Mar 2015 #53
He's running against another Dem ybbor Mar 2015 #57
Rahm is a Democrat.. sendero Mar 2015 #58
Manny wants Sarah Palin!!! QC Mar 2015 #82
Took me a sec to realize you were being sarcastic. Divernan Mar 2015 #115
How about a thread supporting protection of the franchise. ...so the citizens of msanthrope Mar 2015 #50
How about a thread attacking elected Republicans for a change. Funny how the OP'er never does that. KittyWampus Mar 2015 #60
I don't recall one, that's for sure. ntn msanthrope Mar 2015 #76
Yes. blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #52
Well, since you put it that way Android3.14 Mar 2015 #54
Rob needs to be put out for good...nt Stuart G Mar 2015 #61
Rob? Rob who? MineralMan Mar 2015 #71
My mistake, Rahm, Not Rob...I was in a hurry, sorry....nt Stuart G Mar 2015 #73
Ah... the names are so similar, huh? MineralMan Mar 2015 #74
Ah, thanks for this opportunity, Manny Jack Rabbit Mar 2015 #63
Excellent post, Manny MissDeeds Mar 2015 #65
Two people that I absolutely hate in Chicago politics...Rahm Stellar Mar 2015 #67
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2015 #68
Out with Rahm democrank Mar 2015 #69
DLC - Third Way - Rahm Emanuel - Hillary Rodham Clinton - A Pox On Their Houses cantbeserious Mar 2015 #70
Rock on, Manny. nt silvershadow Mar 2015 #72
You have nothing positive to say Cryptoad Mar 2015 #83
He's not Rahm? MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #87
sounds about right Cryptoad Mar 2015 #88
Statistics. MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #90
very slim Cryptoad Mar 2015 #92
This message was self-deleted by its author MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #89
He is the reason president Obama was timid in his first two years kimbutgar Mar 2015 #85
Why do you hate Democrats? L0oniX Mar 2015 #91
RAHM -- an anagram for HARM Blue Owl Mar 2015 #94
I don't care what anyone says, this is the Rahm I'll always remember: cheapdate Mar 2015 #98
chuy is a real progressive opportunity. NuttyFluffers Mar 2015 #105
Rahm would make a great GOPer... nikto Mar 2015 #108
Currently the poll results are a dead heat, so naturally Rahm by a landslide. AtheistCrusader Mar 2015 #111
Kicked and recommended a massive amount! Enthusiast Mar 2015 #112
Yes!!! wolfie001 Mar 2015 #121
K&R Borchkins Mar 2015 #123
Amen. closeupready Mar 2015 #125
I'm not too "#%^*ing retarded" to K&R Jamastiene Mar 2015 #126
I sent a donation to Chuy fredamae Mar 2015 #127
So did I salib Mar 2015 #128
Stop the Rahmper Room corruption of Chicago's schools! cascadiance Mar 2015 #129
he's my alma mater's most famous graduate. BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2015 #130
Kickaroo. nt cyberswede Mar 2015 #131
I don't believe Emanuel can be an effective mayor or other elected official........ RationalMan Mar 2015 #132
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
27. The fact that someone claled "BlueCaliDem" votes for them, of course
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 04:55 PM
Mar 2015

How can you, with your not-at-all-obviously-liberal name presume to question the authority of someone named BLUE! CALI! DEM!

If someone with a great, heart-thumpingly liberal name tells you that the right-wing democrats who campaign on republican platforms, attack the president, and then lose every race to the Republicans aren't actually Republican ringers, well, who are you to question?

Come back when your name is LibLeftNYCkerry08, and we'll talk <guffaw, guffaw>

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
101. Do you know who BlueCaliDem votes for, or
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 12:42 AM
Mar 2015

are you just talking trash about something you don't know shit about? There's a lot of that around these days. Just curious.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
38. The Turd Way crowd can basically be summed up as
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 05:33 PM
Mar 2015

Business Republicans - or what used to be called Rockefeller/moderate Republicans - who became "Democrats" because they can't stand the sight and sound of the anti-science Jebus wheezers who took over the Repuke party. They are still economic royalists, corporatists and war hawks.

Populist_Prole

(5,364 posts)
46. That's a good practical "working" definition of them
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 06:01 PM
Mar 2015

But as I've read, their actual formation was not so much of moderate republicans repulsed by far-right social values, but of a mindset that stated that the traditional championing of the labor/working class base was no longer viable, from a financial standpoint...a 'Democratic party Inc' type viewpoint.

Of course it sure didn't help when a lot of the old base turned into "Reagan Democrats". It's like they abandoned each other.

Now it seems they are too beholden to corporate money to go back.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
81. "a mindset that stated that the traditional championing of the labor/working class base was
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 10:11 PM
Mar 2015

no longer viable, from a financial standpoint"

is exactly who they are: it cuts into the profits of their sponsors in the financial industry, just as it cut into the profits of the republicans' sponsors in the resource extraction industries.

so now we have two parties devoted to taking bread out of the mouths of ordinary people in the interest of superprofits for elites.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
134. Yep, and the ever-opportunistic Clintons, seeking to feather their own nest,
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 06:35 PM
Mar 2015

sold most of the party to the neo-fascists lock stock and barrel. Now HRC wants to finish the job by giving them the few crumbs they do not yet have.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
80. Ike was a business republican and he was better than third wayers. Didn't want to ship jobs
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 10:07 PM
Mar 2015

overseas, for one thing.


Under the Republican Administration, as our country has prospered, so have its people. This is as it should be, for as President Eisenhower said: "Labor is the United States. The men and women, who with their minds, their hearts and hands, create the wealth that is shared in this country—they are America."

The Eisenhower Administration has brought to our people the highest employment, the highest wages and the highest standard of living ever enjoyed by any nation. Today there are nearly 67 million men and women at work in the United States, 4 million more than in 1952. Wages have increased substantially over the past 3 1/2 years; but, more important, the American wage earner today can buy more than ever before for himself and his family because his pay check has not been eaten away by rising taxes and soaring prices.

The record of performance of the Republican Administration on behalf of our working men and women goes still further. The Federal minimum wage has been raised for more than 2 million workers. Social Security has been extended to an additional 10 million workers and the benefits raised for 6 1/2 million. The protection of unemployment insurance has been brought to 4 million additional workers. There have been increased workmen's compensation benefits for longshoremen and harbor workers, increased retirement benefits for railroad employees, and wage increases and improved welfare and pension plans for federal employees.

In addition, the Eisenhower Administration has enforced more vigorously and effectively than ever before, the laws which protect the working standards of our people.

Workers have benefited by the progress which has been made in carrying out the programs and principles set forth in the 1952 Republican platform. All workers have gained and unions have grown in strength and responsibility, and have increased their membership by 2 millions.

Furthermore, the process of free collective bargaining has been strengthened by the insistence of this Administration that labor and management settle their differences at the bargaining table without the intervention of the Government. This policy has brought to our country an unprecedented period of labor-management peace and understanding.

We applaud the effective, unhindered, collective bargaining which brought an early end to the 1956 steel strike, in contrast to the six months' upheaval, Presidential seizure of the steel industry and ultimate Supreme Court intervention under the last Democrat Administration.

The Eisenhower Administration will continue to fight for dynamic and progressive programs which, among other things, will:

Stimulate improved job safety of our workers, through assistance to the States, employees and employers;

Continue and further perfect its programs of assistance to the millions of workers with special employment problems, such as older workers, handicapped workers, members of minority groups, and migratory workers;

Strengthen and improve the Federal-State Employment Service and improve the effectiveness of the unemployment insurance system;

Protect by law, the assets of employee welfare and benefit plans so that workers who are the beneficiaries can be assured of their rightful benefits;

Assure equal pay for equal work regardless of Sex;

Clarify and strengthen the eight-hour laws for the benefit of workers who are subject to federal wage standards on Federal and Federally-assisted construction, and maintain and continue the vigorous administration of the Federal prevailing minimum wage law for public supply contracts;

Extend the protection of the Federal minimum wage laws to as many more workers as is possible and practicable;

Continue to fight for the elimination of discrimination in employment because of race, creed, color, national origin, ancestry or sex;

Provide assistance to improve the economic conditions of areas faced with persistent and substantial unemployment;

Revise and improve the Taft-Hartley Act so as to protect more effectively the rights of labor unions, management, the individual worker, and the public. The protection of the right of workers to organize into unions and to bargain collectively is the firm and permanent policy of the Eisenhower Administration. In 1954, 1955 and again in 1956, President Eisenhower recommended constructive amendments to this Act. The Democrats in Congress have consistently blocked these needed changes by parliamentary maneuvers. The Republican Party pledges itself to overhaul and improve the Taft-Hartley Act along the lines of these recommendations.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=25838


Even though some of the stuff in this 1956 statement may be hot air, the fact that they were even saying it is telling. How times have changed.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
102. Eisenhower and Nixon need to be viewed in the context of FDR's massive victories and
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 12:49 AM
Mar 2015

massive coattails.

FDR was President for 12 years, from 1933 to 1945. It would have been more, but he died soon into his last term. Then Truman took over from 1945 to 1953. It took a World War II hero (running against a brilliant, but not very charismatic Stevenson) to end that 20 year reign. Meanwhile. FDR's coattails and legacy gave Democrats control of Congress for the better part of 40 years. (Some say longer, though I would guess many would say it has finally ended.)

Someone who wanted to be elected President-and then get re-elected--back then probably felt he had to at least talk a good game of level playing field. Additionally, it was mostly Democratic Congresses that passed the things for which Eisenhower and Nixon get credit. They did not veto them.

I am not saying Democrats were perfect then. I am saying Republican politicians, especially those with Presidential aspirations, were cognizant of how people were voting.

 

ND-Dem

(4,571 posts)
103. like i said; that may well be, but the republicans of the time had to talk democratic, and
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 01:05 AM
Mar 2015

to some degree pass democratic legislation.

yes, republicans then were cognizant of what people would vote for. and turn out for in high numbers. unlike today.

it should come as no surprise that we have seen seven years of declining voter participation. Nor should it come as a surprise that the decline has been disproportionately concentrated among the young, the non-wealthy and the non-white.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
104. On the one hand, it's no surprise who feels most like voting does not matter. On the other hand,
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 01:30 AM
Mar 2015

wealthy white people who are old enough to have attained a degree of power and influence least need to vote because they'll do fine no matter who wins, which was the plan.

Influence on Bill Clinton

In his freshman year in the School of Foreign Service at Georgetown, future U.S. President Bill Clinton took Quigley's course, receiving a 'B' as his final grade in both semesters (an excellent grade in a course where nearly half the students received D or lower).[2]: 94, 96

Clinton named Quigley as an important influence on his aspirations and political philosophy in 1991, when launching his presidential campaign in a speech at Georgetown.[2]: 96 He also mentioned Quigley again during his acceptance speech to the 1992 Democratic National Convention, as follows:

As a teenager, I heard John Kennedy's summons to citizenship. And then, as a student at Georgetown, I heard that call clarified by a professor named Carroll Quigley, who said to us that America was the greatest Nation in history because our people had always believed in two things–that tomorrow can be better than today and that every one of us has a personal moral responsibility to make it so.[17]



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carroll_Quigley

Don't stop thinking about tomorrow, indeed.

wiki makes a lot of Quigley's fascination with secret societies. However, I found his own work, Tragedy and Hope, a lot more instructive. That, together with Quigley's influence on the President most closely associated with Third Way and triangulation. For those who are not familiar, but interested, excerpts are available on youtube. (The background music tends to be distracting to me, so I muted and read.)

The gist of the excerpts is that having political parties be very similar works best for financial markets because changes in administrations don't rock Wall Street and Wall Street doesn't react well to being rocked. Well, not his exact words. That's just my three penny summary.

Whether there is a secret global elite or whether the same things tend to be good for rich people around the world is much less fascinating to me than the message of Tragedy and Hope. '

The existence of Bohemian Grove was not a conspiracy theory. Whether it was also literally a secret society or not may have interested rich Ivy League frat boys of its heyday a lot more than it interests me. Ditto the Bilderburg Group, the Carlyle Group, ALEC, etc. We know they exist. We know they have common interests. We know they have money and power and therefore influence on governments, usually to the detriment of the 99% (though, in some nations, 56 cents an hour and OSHA is a big step up). Whether they also have a secret handshake is irrelevant to me.



merrily

(45,251 posts)
110. Probably me,
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 02:44 AM
Mar 2015

doing the message board equivalent of thinking aloud, spurred by your post about who does and does not vote. Or, doing the message board equivalent of conversing.

I am not trying to rebut, negate or disagree with anything you said, if that is what you are wondering about.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
106. Also, Eisenhower was not a dyed-in-the-wool Republican
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 01:51 AM
Mar 2015

In fact, both the Democrats and Republicans had been courting him as a potential presidential candidate, before he made the decision to join the Republicans.

LiberalArkie

(15,708 posts)
118. That is probably a good definition. In Arkansas we went from conservative Democrats to
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 10:18 AM
Mar 2015

Win Rockefeller. Compared to the Democrats we had, he was a raging liberal. He brought in vocational education, state parks, a lot of new schools and a lot of big businesses. Really back then he was seen as a liberal with all the reformation and social programs, but today he would have been seen as a moderate probably.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
66. A "moderate Republican" will do something for the People....
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 07:38 PM
Mar 2015

A 3rd-Wayer really doesn't care. They're only interested in raising money from the rich and telling Liberals to STFU.

Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #1)

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
122. Especially in California. Republicans run as Democrats but vote consistently Republican in the House
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:06 AM
Mar 2015

and in our State legislature. They know that the majority in California would never vote for a Republican, so what's a Republican to do? That's right. Infiltrate and work from the inside. Teapartiers (or as I call them, Neo-Confederates) are doing this now within the Republican Party. It's a tired and true Republican tactic.

 

Segami

(14,923 posts)
3. To think this weasel,..
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 03:54 PM
Mar 2015

..had the President Obama's ear for the first two years of his presidency..........

merrily

(45,251 posts)
6. Obama nominated Rahm to have Obama's ear--and then some--as chief of staff
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 04:01 PM
Mar 2015

It's not as though Obama did not know what Rahm was like.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
7. I wonder who is behind this Chicago Gang. I know Penny Pritzker is involved, but
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 04:12 PM
Mar 2015

what other big corporitists are behind Rahmbo.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
8. Do you live in Chicago?
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 04:16 PM
Mar 2015

If so, you can vote there. If not, I doubt there's much you can do to influence that local election, somehow. You could donate a pile of money to an opponent, of course, if you wanted to.

Me? I don't live in Chicago, and nothing that happens there is anything I'm really familiar enough with to comment on candidates for office there. I think I'll focus closer to home. We have elections here in St. Paul this year, too. Those elections actually affect me.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
35. WE don't have any elections right now
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 05:23 PM
Mar 2015

No local or state elections going on here right now (or soon) so I've got the time. And there's alot of money and support coming from outside the state for Rahm, and Dean's outfit is working against him, so there's alot of out of state work being done here. I suspect the teacher's union will probably be involved as well. I suspect there will be alot of opportunities for people who can't vote in the election to help the candidate of their choice.

AllyCat

(16,174 posts)
100. Hey, if it's not in your backyard, leave it for the people who can buy it, no?
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 12:33 AM
Mar 2015

As for me, I'm donating to two locals for city council and CHUY GARCIA BABY!

BTW, your pun rocks.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
9. anyone who hates teachers this much is a
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 04:24 PM
Mar 2015

bastard, manny. thanks for your threads. I find them most interesting.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,580 posts)
75. Your post was alerted on, and here are the results:
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 09:26 PM
Mar 2015

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service

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On Sun Mar 1, 2015, 05:13 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

anyone who hates teachers this much is a
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6296485

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

We don't seem to let bitch stand. Let's see how we do with bastard. It is a sexist word but I'm sure it will be allowed in this instance.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Mar 1, 2015, 05:21 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Bastard isn't sexist. It's parental-marital-status-ist, originally. I guess. But this is just some stupid fucking MRA-lite whining, and frankly deserves some sort of false-alert penalty if there were one.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: An opinion.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't have a problem with either word...... The definition of bastard is 1
archaicderogatory
a person born of parents not married to each other.
synonyms illegitimate child, child born out of wedlock; More
datedlove child, by-blow;
natural child,son,daughter
he had fathered a bastard
2.
informal
an unpleasant or despicable person.
"he lied to me, the bastard!"

I'm leaving this. Especially since it was directed at a DU'er
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Bastard is no where near the same comparison as bitch, a bitch is a female dog. A bastard is an illegitimate child born out of wedlock. I am sad you alerted on this and you should be sad too.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If you're sure it will be allowed, why do you waste our time alerting?
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: To alert on the word "bastard" is going too far, IMHO. There is nothing wrong with this post, for crissakes. Leave it alone.

(I was juror #7)


roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
86. Thank you, California Peggy. I am shocked that
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 10:37 PM
Mar 2015

it was but again, you never learn about things unless you are shown. Someone believes its offensive. Others don't. Thank you, jury. I also won't be using it again. I don't wish to cause offense and I am sure I can do better expressing my point of view. Also, the comment was not directed at Manny. I enjoy his posts.

I am old enough to be better than this. Thank you.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
114. Ah, that alerter wasn't offended by the word, but by criticism of a 3rd wayer.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 05:21 AM
Mar 2015

Talk about faux outrage! And as the judge says in trial court, when overruling an objection, the objector "opened the door" to a comment. Specifically, when Rahm described fellow Dems as "fucking retarded", his supporters cannot be heard to object to Dems calling Rahm a bastard.

Hope Obama sits this one out and doesn't make another bogus trip to Chicago for an opportunity to boost Rahm's campaign. Perhaps someone can remind him that Hispanics and teachers and unions are valued members of the Democratic party and deserve a level playing field when running in a primary.

An interesting question to me is what will Rahm do if he loses, i.e,. next career step. Certainly if he is available, Hillary would snap him up for her campaign staff. Hell, he could end up back in the White House as her chief of staff. That could happen even if he wins the run-off - resigning from elected office to get back to DC where all the real action is, baby! Or he could follow the Clintons' example of starting a boutique "charity" to launder corporate "donations" while simultaneously lobbying his political connections AND skimming off a healthy chunk of said "donations" to fund a five star life style.

Manny makes the point it would be best if Rahm were out of politics forever. That is so true. But Rahm is like the legendary rattle-snake, which keeps snapping lethally even after it's head has been cut off. He will always be a source of hubris, arrogance and self-interest wherever he ends up.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
10. Heck yeah, I'm in!
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 04:24 PM
Mar 2015

(repost)

by Bill Curry
Salon
3/1/2015

...In 1995 I came to work in the Clinton White House and for a time dealt with Rahm on a daily basis. For a White House staffer he seemed strangely inarticulate. (It may explain some, though obviously not all, of the profanity.) When he spoke it was almost always about tactics; almost never about policy.

Two things about him stood out. One was the contempt he heaped on unions and liberals. I thought if he were ever caught on tape it would seriously damage the president and be the end of Rahm. Some later claimed to regard these rants as performance art but even at close range they seemed real enough to me. In any case I never heard him say an unkind word about the rich.

Most striking was the viciousness of his personal attacks, often over trivial things. He famously sent a pollster a dead fish wrapped in a newspaper— in lore a mafia death notice— for being late with a report.

...In Congress he hewed right on economic and fiscal policy and was a hawk on defense. As Obama’s chief of staff he purged Clinton-era liberals, which resulted in a team of economic advisers more conservative than that of any Democratic president since Grover Cleveland. Whether following their advice or his own instincts, Obama ditched ethics reform, aid to homeowners with bad mortgages, a minimum wage hike and the public option; a disastrous set of choices from which he never fully recovered.

Through it all Rahm cultivated his image as a ruthless operative. By the time he got to be mayor of Chicago he was the Keyser Soze of the Democratic Party, shrouded in legend, a guy who if you crossed him would slit your throat as you slept. It was a reputation he relished....

...The race confuses Washington. It’s a colorless town and for years Rahm was its most colorful figure, a source not just of news but of dark comic relief. Reporters imbibe the views of politicians who think the rules of the game immutable. This week even the astute E.J. Dionne compared Rahm to Bill de Blasio, “a hero to progressives,” calling it “mildly ironic” that “left of center voters” would give Rahm such a hard time.

Many progressives don’t get it either. If you put them all on Sodium Pentothal and asked if grass-roots politics can still beat big money, my hunch is they’d say no. Many pray the party will reform itself. Obama’s late awakening fans that flame. But if you want to know how likely that is, peruse the numbingly vacant report the DNC issued last week allegedly laying out its vision. Frederick Douglass said it best. Power concedes nothing without a demand.

On April 7 pay-to-play politics goes on trial in Chicago. The voters will be the judges. Crowell says holding Rahm accountable was a victory in itself, but she knows now it’s a fight they can win. For sure it’s an uphill climb, but then just last week it was impossible.

http://www.salon.com/2015/03/01/rahm_emanuels_moment_of_reckoning_how_he_ended_up_in_a_fight_for_his_political_life/


We have to kick this dirty rethug to the curb. Then follow it with kicking the rest of the rethugs who've infiltrated the Democratic party OUT. We just have to demand it.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
43. Thanks for that link...
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 05:53 PM
Mar 2015

I met Rahm briefly (hand shake greeting as he looked past me to the next person) at a Dem function in my state back in '04 when I was serving as Precinct Vice Chair in my district. He reeked of self aggrandizing attitude and entitlement. The speech he gave to us about "Dem Politics in an Election Year" was filled with sports analogies and "winning the game." He smirked his way through the speech and left as soon as he finished it leaving the Q&A to our House Representative to deal with. Too busy to deal with the "peasants" it seemed.

Bill Curry's quote is exactly spot on:


"When he spoke it was almost always about tactics; almost never about policy"

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
107. Our greatest challenge
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 02:05 AM
Mar 2015

"Many progressives don’t get it either. If you put them all on Sodium Pentothal and asked if grass-roots politics can still beat big money, my hunch is they’d say no"

I think we can beat big money, but that it is a social science in its infancy, unlike the social science of manipulation, deprivation and fear, which is far advanced and well-funded by the usual suspects.

Learning to beat big money is, in the end, what it's all about. There's no other way to reform our party or our nation. I have long thought the acceptance of money from these sources could be used against them, to delegitimize any candidate accepting such "donations", and that a well-conceived social networking or just web-based approach would be able to make the stigma stick to the recipients. I still hope it happens. I've seen a few good attempts to do this (C.R.E.W., OpenSecrets, etc.), but so far nothing that gets into the consciousness of enough voters to make the difference. Part of the problem, of course, it that the big-money politicians have to be beaten in the primaries, with a non big-money alternative winning, it makes little difference if the alternatives are also funded by big money.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
124. Reinforces the ASSessment
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:37 AM
Mar 2015

I'd developed against Rahm years ago. Thanks for posting. While I'm not a Chicagoan, this nemesis needs to be purged from his "public" self-service.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
13. This thread is more to support Chicago residents in kicking him out of office.
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 04:27 PM
Mar 2015

I'm pretty sure Manny knows how voting works.

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
19. I don't understand.
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 04:34 PM
Mar 2015

He mimics the ideology of national politicians you actively fight for. Why the change of heart with this politician?

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
15. How dare you!
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 04:32 PM
Mar 2015

We have been ordered to support the status quo indeffinately.

How dare you stand against a D in name only. He is the ONLY one that can win!

marym625

(17,997 posts)
62. Just keep doing what you do best
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 07:15 PM
Mar 2015

3-way-Manny

The more people that know the truth about Rahm, the better

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
64. Well
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 07:27 PM
Mar 2015

I sent Garcia $10 (from Texas) as soon as I heard there was going to be a runoff. I may send more. This election *does* affect me, indirectly - if Rahm loses, maybe that will send a loud message to our dear leaders. Kind of a forlorn hope (both the loss and the message) , but where there's life....

mucifer

(23,522 posts)
77. You can check out Chuy's website and
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 09:55 PM
Mar 2015

maybe make calls and/or donate money:

http://chicagoforchuy.com/index.html

I gotta say LOTS of people here in Chicago hate Rahm.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
23. I'm starting a Conga-Line
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 04:51 PM
Mar 2015

Leading to the Lounge. The drinks are on me.

Bu-bu-bu-bu-bu! Bu-bu-bu-bu-bu! Bu-bu-bu-bu-bu!

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
29. Rahm has been forced to a runoff Dem primary for Mayor against Jesus.
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 05:01 PM
Mar 2015

May Jesus kick his ass.

Jesus "Chuy" Garcia that is.

americannightmare

(322 posts)
28. You're either for corporations...
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 04:59 PM
Mar 2015

or for addressing the needs of human beings and the planet upon which we rely for our existence. That's all of the GOP and, unfortunately, an unacceptably large number of Democrats. It's no longer about ideological purity, it's no longer a matter of opinion, it's not about being "right." It's about not just considering alternatives to our way of life, but beginning their implementation. At the very least, that means mitigating the effects of climate change so that its impacts on the economies of scale might be smaller as we transition away from said economies.

gregcrawford

(2,382 posts)
33. Emanuel is a malicious, self-serving little...
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 05:16 PM
Mar 2015

... prick, whom no one can stand to be around for more than a few nanoseconds. His incredibly abrasive personality has negated what little good, if any, he has ever done. Good riddance.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
34. I'll support that every day of the week, all year long, every year, and twice on Sunday.
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 05:19 PM
Mar 2015

Which is today.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
37. here's what you can do now
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 05:31 PM
Mar 2015

the bill moyers journal story I posted has tons of links of newspaper stories to back up their story........... write comments in the ones you can it helps to get the message out.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026295747

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
39. Centrists claim it's simply pragmatic to call torture a noble expression of patriotism, after all
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 05:38 PM
Mar 2015

it's not like we have a problem with police state brutality and corruption or anything.

ybbor

(1,554 posts)
57. He's running against another Dem
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 06:55 PM
Mar 2015

Jesus "Chuy" Garcia, Democratic Cook County Commissioner.

I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic or not. And hell no, I wouldn't wish Cruz on the inhabitants of Texas!

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
50. How about a thread supporting protection of the franchise. ...so the citizens of
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 06:39 PM
Mar 2015

Chicago can make their own choices?

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
60. How about a thread attacking elected Republicans for a change. Funny how the OP'er never does that.
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 07:01 PM
Mar 2015

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
63. Ah, thanks for this opportunity, Manny
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 07:22 PM
Mar 2015

Unfortunately, like many Chicago mayors of the past, the dead will no doubt rise from their graves to vote for the crook.

K/R

Response to Stellar (Reply #67)

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
88. sounds about right
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 10:46 PM
Mar 2015

Sad yall have nothing to say about the positive attributes of Garcia..... doesnt speak well or him or yall.....

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
90. Statistics.
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 10:51 PM
Mar 2015

What are the odds of any given Democratic candidate being worse for the 99% than Rahm? Much less than 1%.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
92. very slim
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 10:54 PM
Mar 2015

but there still that chance that Garcia,,,,, fact
makes me wonder since nobody is talking about this attributes and plans for Chicago.

Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #87)

kimbutgar

(21,111 posts)
85. He is the reason president Obama was timid in his first two years
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 10:29 PM
Mar 2015

If he had gone progressive the tea party might not have gained that many seats. After the sumpreme court turned our country over to corporations the democratic controlled congress should have put in strict campaign finance laws. I'm sure Rahm discouraged him.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
98. I don't care what anyone says, this is the Rahm I'll always remember:
Sun Mar 1, 2015, 11:43 PM
Mar 2015

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I'm not into tearing down Democrats, even when I disagree with them. I am perfectly willing, however, to make a persuasive argument for my point of view, or to support better candidates. But I will not draw lines between "decent human beings" and a Democratic leader over disagreements about public policy.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
111. Currently the poll results are a dead heat, so naturally Rahm by a landslide.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 04:39 AM
Mar 2015

"It is not my doing, I merely foretell."

The more things change... Well, you know.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
112. Kicked and recommended a massive amount!
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 05:00 AM
Mar 2015

Purge the asshole criminals! (from both parties) Hey, think of it as a jobs program.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
127. I sent a donation to Chuy
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:51 AM
Mar 2015

I don't live Anywhere near there........

As a member of the Democratic Wing apparently makes me "Fkg Retarded"
I won't forgive this "pseudo dems" remarks Ever.
He has hurt so many in Chicago.

 

cascadiance

(19,537 posts)
129. Stop the Rahmper Room corruption of Chicago's schools!
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 01:14 PM
Mar 2015

GET HIM OUT!!!! Put him OUT of any political office where he'll be doing damage!

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
130. he's my alma mater's most famous graduate.
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 01:28 PM
Mar 2015

I hope they stop bragging about him in the alumni newsletter.





Heeeyyyyyyyyy, while I've got you here.....you planning on answering my last reply? It would be a courtesy.

RationalMan

(96 posts)
132. I don't believe Emanuel can be an effective mayor or other elected official........
Mon Mar 2, 2015, 02:07 PM
Mar 2015

He wasn't effective as Obama's Chief of Staff but he was cut from Illinois and Chicago Democratic politics and as such he came in with the Obama waver.

For that matter I don't believe Obama has necessarily been well served by any of his chiefs of staff although they can be highly instrumental in effectuating the Executive's political agenda.

I believe Rahm is good at cut-throat politics and isn't afraid to get down and dirty when needed. I'm not sure how well that works rolled out into an effective governing style.

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