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Mon Mar 2, 2015, 10:15 PM

 

Here's what the Angry Elizabeth Warren Left can't understand

NOBODY put you moonbats in charge of deciding who's a Democrat.

A Democrat is anyone who says they're a Democrat. Period.

If Ted Cruz himself changed his affiliation to our party, without changing a single view, we should welcome him with open arms. Because Cruz wins elections. And just think: if ALL elected Republicans became Democrats, we'd handily win every election! Whatsamatta, Libs, don't wan't permanent control of government?

So cut the crap and fall in line. Well, not a line per se, because that would smack of some sort of agreement on an organizational scheme. But you know what I mean.

Regards,

Third-Way Manny

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MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 OP
newfie11 Mar 2015 #1
Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #2
MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #8
Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #10
peacebird Mar 2015 #16
RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #43
MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #46
rhett o rick Mar 2015 #48
Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #80
Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #88
kevin.xiii Mar 2015 #112
RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #120
Mnpaul Mar 2015 #119
RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #121
sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #68
Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #89
sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #108
Angleae Mar 2015 #127
annabanana Mar 2015 #3
arcane1 Mar 2015 #4
Ken Burch Mar 2015 #19
zeemike Mar 2015 #22
L0oniX Mar 2015 #34
Enthusiast Mar 2015 #110
LiberalLovinLug Mar 2015 #97
Capn Sunshine Mar 2015 #51
sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #69
rhett o rick Mar 2015 #87
Maedhros Mar 2015 #103
djean111 Mar 2015 #5
RiverLover Mar 2015 #6
peacebird Mar 2015 #14
L0oniX Mar 2015 #38
Sheelanagig Mar 2015 #7
MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #11
Sheelanagig Mar 2015 #23
MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #25
daleanime Mar 2015 #40
brooklynite Mar 2015 #9
MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #26
Fuddnik Mar 2015 #39
Scuba Mar 2015 #72
Chan790 Mar 2015 #92
Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #12
obxhead Mar 2015 #115
Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #116
obxhead Mar 2015 #117
Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #126
MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #123
EEO Mar 2015 #128
one_voice Mar 2015 #13
KMOD Mar 2015 #15
840high Mar 2015 #17
KMOD Mar 2015 #24
840high Mar 2015 #31
KMOD Mar 2015 #32
MisterP Mar 2015 #98
Maedhros Mar 2015 #105
adieu Mar 2015 #18
MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #20
Ken Burch Mar 2015 #21
Phlem Mar 2015 #27
rhett o rick Mar 2015 #50
WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2015 #95
imthevicar Mar 2015 #28
Phlem Mar 2015 #29
Old and In the Way Mar 2015 #30
WillyT Mar 2015 #33
DeSwiss Mar 2015 #35
sadoldgirl Mar 2015 #36
QC Mar 2015 #37
WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2015 #94
TheProgressive Mar 2015 #41
w4rma Mar 2015 #42
sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #71
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RiverLover Mar 2015 #81
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rhett o rick Mar 2015 #49
Fumesucker Mar 2015 #67
Agony Mar 2015 #114
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HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #77
Capn Sunshine Mar 2015 #54
MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #59
eridani Mar 2015 #73
rhett o rick Mar 2015 #111
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MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #58
NanceGreggs Mar 2015 #60
MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #62
djean111 Mar 2015 #79
Fix The Stupid Mar 2015 #86
A Simple Game Mar 2015 #102
Autumn Mar 2015 #101
Bonobo Mar 2015 #83
Mnpaul Mar 2015 #122
rhett o rick Mar 2015 #84
Savannahmann Mar 2015 #61
MannyGoldstein Mar 2015 #64
sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #65
AgingAmerican Mar 2015 #70
Scuba Mar 2015 #74
HughBeaumont Mar 2015 #75
davidpdx Mar 2015 #76
notadmblnd Mar 2015 #78
One of the 99 Mar 2015 #85
crim son Mar 2015 #90
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harun Mar 2015 #106
hifiguy Mar 2015 #93
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Zorra Mar 2015 #99
DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #100
libdem4life Mar 2015 #104
Vattel Mar 2015 #107
Enthusiast Mar 2015 #109
Rex Mar 2015 #113
cui bono Mar 2015 #118
TrollBuster9090 Mar 2015 #124
Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #125
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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 10:18 PM

1. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Thank you!!!
Very well said!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 10:20 PM

2. A Democrat is anyone registered as a Democrat. A democrat can be anyone.

Democrat - proper noun
democrat - common noun

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 10:48 PM

8. That's exactly the fancy talk that loses elections

 

Try this:

Democrat Party - We're sorry, Fox News! Very sorry!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #8)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 10:53 PM

10. That is Democratic Party rules and grammar.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #8)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:04 PM

16. Love it

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 12:22 AM

43. Strom Thurmond/Zell Miller

Once proud members of the Democrat Party.
Hounded out of the Party by the pony/unicorn set.

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #43)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 12:46 AM

46. ...

 

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #43)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 12:47 AM

48. Well said.

 

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #43)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 07:24 AM

80. Don't forget Jesse Helms, and Ben Nighthorse Campbell from Colorado,

and Tommy Robinson from Arkansas, and what's-his-name from Alabama.

All poor souls who were hounded out of the Party by the pony/unicorn set.

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #43)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 01:06 PM

88. No, they left the party because democratic ideals changed (See the small "d")

The Democratic Party was the party of slavery during the civil war and the party of racist segregation for a long after. Those racist southern Democrats were Democrats in their day.

There is no required ideology in the "Democratic Party of the United States." (Note the use of proper nouns).

Democrats do share ideas about democracy. (Note the common noun again.)

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #43)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 07:05 PM

112. Thurmond was a racist who stormed out of the Party over D support of Civil Rights.

And the door couldn't hit him in the backside quickly enough!

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Response to kevin.xiii (Reply #112)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 08:24 PM

120. OK. How about Condi Rice, Ben Nighthorse Campbell, Paul Wolfowitz, Rick Perry, or this guy?



Please don't tell me you want to welcome them back into the Big Tent

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #43)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 08:22 PM

119. Fred Phelps

drawn in by Gore's opposition to gay marriage.

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Response to Mnpaul (Reply #119)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 08:26 PM

121. What a shame! We should've moderated our views and welcomed him back.

But the darn pony purists probably wouldn't have let us.

Now he's gone to Hell, so we've lost our chance.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 01:49 AM

68. So you agree with the OP, all Ted Cruz or even Cheney for that matter, needs to be welcome to

the Dem Party is to register and slap a D after their names?

Rush Limbaugh used to have his ditto heads register as Dems so they could mess up elections. Were they Democrats too?

I'm trying to find out what my party stands for so excuse me if in my ignorance I once thought that this Party stood for something. I guess not?

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #68)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 01:17 PM

89. To join the Democratic Party (proper noun) they only need to register.

They would not share democratic ideology or ideals (note common noun).

What the party stands for is the shared ideology and ideals of democracy (fairness to all, equal rights enjoyed by all, individual liberty shared by all, a government that serves the needs of its citizens.) Most often, you can find some of this in the party platform. The Democratic Party rules about what it takes to be a member of the party and vote in a primary or run as a candidate are not what the party stands for.

For instance, to me, Bernie Sanders pretty much embodies the democratic ideal. Bernie Sanders is not a member of the Democratic Party, so he is contemplating joining the party so he can run in the primary.

I'd bet you share democratic ideology and ideals with Bernie Sanders and me. But he does not yet share a Membership in the Democratic Party.

So, if I want to talk about what the Democratic Party stands for, I will talk about the shared ideals and ideologies of democracy.

Words have meanings.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #89)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 05:27 PM

108. I think we basically agree then. However to some people just the letter after a name is enough to

make them a Democrat. As you point out, Bernie is far closer to being what a Dem ought to be than many who currently are members of the party.

So then, the question is, should people vote for the one who is likely to do the most good for this country or stick to the 'letter' regardless of the likely outcome?

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 09:52 PM

127. What about those in states that no longer register by party?

Here in WA that stopped years ago. Primaries here (except president) have everyone on the ballot, top two go to the general election.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 10:27 PM

3. heee! . .. ... . .n/t

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 10:27 PM

4. Besides, Ted Cruz is a better choice than Donald Trump.

 

Lesser of two evils!!

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #4)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:11 PM

19. At least we know for sure where Cruz' hair is actually connected to his head. n/t.

 

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #4)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:15 PM

22. Sure but what if Donald Trump joins the party?

There would be a scramble to find someone nuttier than that...even Sarah Palin would have a hard time trumping Trump, but it could be a tie.
There would have to be a new crop of crazy to be afraid of.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #22)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 12:04 AM

34. He'd capture the squirrel vote.

 

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #34)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 05:48 PM

110. Are you saying a squirrel might mistake his hair for another squirrel?

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Response to zeemike (Reply #22)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 03:26 PM

97. Yes!! Trump/Palin '16!

For the Democrats!

Every week The Don could preside over a televised White House boardroom with Rand Paul on one side and Sarah Palin, his VP, on the other. People like those working in the Social Security Administration could plead for their jobs. Of course it would end with yet another gov'mint tax n spend enabler hearing "You're Fired!". With an emphatic "You Betcha!" from his left.

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 12:57 AM

51. that whole argument is absolutely nuts

Firstly, Ted Cruz is NEVER going to join the party. It's a classic false logic bomb. The ensuing conversation on the thread is just so much monkey crap being flung around the cage.

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Response to Capn Sunshine (Reply #51)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 02:22 AM

69. Zell Miller joined the party. Lieberman too. But then he ditched the party but was welcomed back

with a standing ovation AFTER he betrayed the party and supported McCain/Palin.

So don't count on Cruz or any other nutcase not being welcomed into the Big Tent.

The only people not welcome in the Tent these days, are actual Democrats, or so I am told here.

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Response to Capn Sunshine (Reply #51)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 08:30 AM

87. I think you get the point. Of course Ted Cruz is an extreme example used to make

 

a point. The point as I see it, is that all Democrats are not equally holy. One needs to look deeper than the label. Anyone can acquire the label. In fact The Third Way is made up of Republicons that figured out they could get elected as long as they were progressive or at least seemed to be progressive on social issues. They could still advocate for capitalistic economic policies and neocon wars of aggression, which is really what they want.

When Arlen Specter joined the Democratic Party, he didn't change is ideology. But some vote for the label and not the person.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #87)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 04:06 PM

103. Well and simply stated. [n/t]

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 10:33 PM

5. Nailed it.

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 10:37 PM

6. So true!

We MUST stay the course & allow all conservative RWrs in as long as they call themselves Democratic. Its a REALLY REALLY Big Tent!

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Response to RiverLover (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:02 PM

14. A really really really giiiinormous tent!

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Response to RiverLover (Reply #6)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 12:06 AM

38. Fuck ...even muh kitteh is a Dem.

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 10:44 PM

7. May I quote you?

 

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Response to Sheelanagig (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 10:57 PM

11. No charge in Esparanto, Estonian, or

 

any other language that begins with "Es". My consultants said I should do that to look like a man of the People.

Other languages are gonna cost, though.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #11)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:15 PM

23. Thank you! I'll have to go with English.

 

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Response to Sheelanagig (Reply #23)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:34 PM

25. Unfortunately it doesn't translate well into English

 

Macedonian is a good value, perhaps that?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #25)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 12:16 AM

40. Oh, macedonians.....

I love those in cookies.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 10:51 PM

9. Gee Manny - care to tell us who ISN'T a Democrat? I'm sure you're thinking of someone...

You wouldn't perhaps be thinking of someone twice elected AS a Democrat (who, amazingly, beat a Republican both times), would you? Or, maybe someone who got 17 million Democratic votes in the last Presidential Primary (of course, maybe THEY weren't Democrats either).

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #9)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:38 PM

26. Actually, I was just spoofing an OP I saw

 

on the front page. I didn't have anyone in mind.

But now that you mention it... we could start with anyone in a position of great power who desires to start cutting Social Security benefits for the most vulnerable. That's some sick stuff.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #26)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 12:15 AM

39. And you did a damn fine job of it!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #26)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 05:53 AM

72. + Eighty Gazillion

 

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #9)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 03:07 PM

92. If you're talking about the former First Lady...

 

you said it, I didn't. That doesn't mean I'm not going to agree with you.

She's about as much of a Democrat as the life-long Republican that switched affiliations to run against the incumbent Republican to represent me in the CT State Senate after losing the GOP primary the last two terms. I'm not saying either one of them isn't a Democrat...but they're both "Democrats" I ain't voting for.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:01 PM

12. Yep, if you consider yourself a Democrat, support Democrats then you can be a Democrat.

If you do not support Democrats then you help Republicans.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #12)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 07:44 PM

115. So, if Cruz changed party affiliation

 

you would support him?

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Response to obxhead (Reply #115)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 07:47 PM

116. If Cruz ran as a republican and you chose to stay home and not vote or vote third

party then you would be voting republican. Cruz would never make the nomination in the Democrat party so I don't have to worry about him running as a Democrat presidential party.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #116)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 07:49 PM

117. So I'll take that as a yes.

 

If Cruz won a primary as a Democrat, you would support him.

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Response to obxhead (Reply #117)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 09:39 PM

126. I said I do not have to worry about winning in the DNC primary.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #116)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 08:50 PM

123. "in the Democratic Party", not "in the Democrat Party"

 

A mistake that anyone could make.

Although actually...

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #12)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 09:53 PM

128. It is precisely that black and white view that makes American politics one big game for the rich.

You're either with the Democrats or the Republicans, both of which will screw you regardless.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:01 PM

13. You might want to consider...

'Persecuted Manny' as another persona.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:04 PM

15. lol Manny,

 

Look, I get the frustration. I really do.

In many ways the candidates all seem the same, and I agree that we need to push our party further to the left.

But to compare what you may consider a Democratic Republican, for example let's say, oh Hillary Clinton, to Ted Cruz, is hyperbole.

They are not in any way, shape of form, even close.

So yes, let's push the party toward our goals, because yes, it is our party, not theirs.

But this fall in line act, as if Democrats would fall in line with Ted Cruz if he put a D next to his name, is ridiculous.

I know we need to entertain ourselves while we wait for the primary, but c'mon.

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Response to KMOD (Reply #15)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:09 PM

17. How do we push the party

 

toward our goals?

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Response to 840high (Reply #17)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:18 PM

24. The good old fashioned way.

 

Talking to neighbors, talking to friends, dialogue in general.

Protests, letters to the editor, calls to congress.

But most importantly, voting, getting out the vote, staying active. Any active participation.

Complaining on a message board to people who share our common views doesn't cut it, in my opinion.

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Response to KMOD (Reply #24)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:59 PM

31. I've done 1,2 and 3.

 

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Response to 840high (Reply #31)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 12:01 AM

32. and honestly,

 

that's all we can do.

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Response to KMOD (Reply #15)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 03:32 PM

98. after the 14th year solid of frothing political Moonies screaming that they don't care what

a Dem passes as long as it's a Dem doing it, after years of seeing primary candidates who poll ahead of the Pub get sabotaged by the party, after two decades of GOP policies passing only with Democratic votes and support, after watching Lieberman get backed by the party and applauded by Dems after defeating the Democrat--no, there'd be a good chunk of DU that would not just insist that we support Cruz if he crossed the aisle, but blame all forthcoming wars on our demurral

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Response to KMOD (Reply #15)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 04:13 PM

105. If, after the invasion of Iraq in 2003, you would have said

 

that Democrats falling in line with illegal and immoral military operations based on lies was "ridiculous", I would have believed you.

Then Libya happened.

Today's Democratic rank-and-file will, quite happily, support just about anyone and anything in the name of scoring points against the opposition.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:09 PM

18. That was the stupidest thing I've read in 2015

 

Stupid beyond limits.

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Response to adieu (Reply #18)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:12 PM

20. No limits - just like our Party!

 

Thank you!

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Response to adieu (Reply #18)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:12 PM

21. I doubt that. n/t.

 

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Response to adieu (Reply #18)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:45 PM

27. apparently you don't hang around DU that much.

adieu.

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Response to adieu (Reply #18)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 12:53 AM

50. Well then you must not read Manny very much. He has been much stupider.

 

Manny knows I say that with love.

I do have a problem rec'ing a Third Way OP. Just sayin'.

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Response to adieu (Reply #18)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 03:22 PM

95. Kanye: "Obama calls the home phone."

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:48 PM

28. SO,

 

When I Crucify The POTUS for selling us out in things like the ACA or closing Guantanamo, or signing the NDAA I'm not going to be silenced on DU? Right? LOL Right.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:49 PM

29. wait a minute, are your words angry?

your not gonna pull the tomfoolery over my eyes..... or something like that. I here say you rub people the wrong way. Well your not going to rub me! No way I want rubbin. What!? I heard you.

Speaking of moonbats, I like eggs!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 11:50 PM

30. This Democrat hopes every candidate who has something to say runs in the primary.

I will happily support whoever wins the primary. How about you, "Manny"?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 12:03 AM

33. + 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!!

 






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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 12:05 AM

35. But, but.... Manny! Ted Cruz is a clown and you know the only thing clowns are good for......

 

[font size=10=]PUNCHES )))) [/font]

- I'm afraid I must draw the line in your Dem-Packing-Plan at Louie Gomert though, because I believe all Democratic politicians should an IQ above a Ficus......

K&R

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 12:05 AM

36. Normally I would appreciate the

third way Manny, but the news about our former SoS'
e-mail problems don't allow for that,

because I feel really sh;tty about the problems this causes
for our POTUS.

First he has to defend his immigration decision in court.,
then he has to put Bibi in place without offending all of
Israel, and now he has to defend his e-mails to the former
SoS, since they were not secured apparently.

Sorry, Manny, I don't mind Obama getting grey, but I hoped
that his hair would not turn white yet, inspite of his efforts
to sell us the TPP.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 12:05 AM

37. Nice italics! n/t

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Response to QC (Reply #37)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 03:18 PM

94. Indeed! But lacking in the finger-wagging-in-your-face element.

This *gentle reader* never tires of that. Never.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 12:17 AM

41. Nicely stated...

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 12:21 AM

42. An elected Democrat is anyone who can convince Democratic primary voters to support them. (nt)

 

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Response to w4rma (Reply #42)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 04:01 AM

71. And to think, we used to have standards for this Party. Now it's anything goes, just slap a 'D'

after your name.

Rush used to tell his ditto heads to do that, then go vote in elections where they could mess up the results. I guess that was okay, they were Dems, registered, and that's all it takes now to be a Dem.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 12:24 AM

44. ......sigh.................

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Response to Post removed (Reply #45)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 12:47 AM

47. If you can't tell that was satire, lurk more.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #47)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 12:58 AM

52. Not a lurker

In fact, I'm very liberal. Been a daily visitor to this site for about 8 years now. Just don't feel the need to spout off on a daily basis. I've read enough posts by MannyGoldstein to think the same of him. He calls all supporters of Elizabeth Warren, Warrenistas. Sounds pretty derogatory to me and I am very insulted by this term.

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Response to JeaneRaye (Reply #52)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 01:10 AM

56. Here's a humble suggestion

Re-read Manny's post.
Then scroll down to the end of it.
Perhaps that will make a difference.

If not, heaven help you.

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Response to JeaneRaye (Reply #52)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 01:40 AM

63. Wow, you have completely missed what he is saying. Completely. Totally.

And you've got 90 posts since you joined in 2010, yet you call yourself a daily visitor, so yeah, that makes you a lurker. By definition. And that's ok, in and of itself. But you might want to do it more, and pay a little more attention to what Manny is saying, and how people react to it. Because you completely missed the point.

If you're ACTUALLY serious about what you are posting, read post 26 in this thread. It might give you a clue.

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Response to JeaneRaye (Reply #52)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 01:46 AM

66. Nice..

Congratulations, you hooked a couple of forum trout..



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Response to JeaneRaye (Reply #52)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 07:30 AM

81. He IS a Warrenista.

Read this OP again, again, with the knowledge that "Third Way Manny" is Manny Goldstein, huge Warren supporter, & he is highlighting through satire the fact that many here only care whether or not Democrats get elected, not if the Democrats elected have Democratic values and will act as Dems in office.

Its mind blowing that this has gone right over your head.

Check out the subgroup here for Elizabeth Warren supporters. Manny started it and is a host.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1265

Yours truly,
A proud Warrenista

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Response to JeaneRaye (Reply #52)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 07:42 AM

82. Seriously?

Wow.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #45)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 12:50 AM

49. If you are being sarcastic, you need to use the sarcasm emoji, at least until

 

you are better known. Manny calls himself Third Way Manny when he is sarcastic.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #49)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 01:48 AM

67. I was laughing before I hit the link..

That was well done..

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Response to Post removed (Reply #45)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 07:18 PM

114. touche… nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 12:58 AM

53. All we got now is a Party of DINOS.

 

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Response to blkmusclmachine (Reply #53)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 06:42 AM

77. Yes an entire chorus of these, but they sing real purtty

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 01:00 AM

54. what I don't understand about "The Manny Goldstein wing of the party"

is how you're all over Elizabeth Warren, who repeatedly says she isn't running, and give ZERO props to Bernie Sanders.

Why is that?

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Response to Capn Sunshine (Reply #54)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 01:24 AM

59. I love them both

 

Warren's one of my Senators, and I had my eye on her as a potential rabble rouser for years before she was elected. So I suppose I'm particularly invested in her.

And nobody eviscerates @$#&heads as wellcalmly and thoroughly as Warren, excepting perhaps DU's Merrily.

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Response to Capn Sunshine (Reply #54)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 05:55 AM

73. I'm a Warren supporter who actually prefers Sanders--better on a broad range of issues

However, Warren is now a Democrat. If Sanders doesn't come out as a Dem ASAP, it's going to be very difficult to get on the ground organizing done in time.

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Response to Capn Sunshine (Reply #54)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 06:42 PM

111. I love Sen Sanders and have from before I knew who Sen Warren is.

 

I would love to see Sen Sanders run, but right now, even though the Third Way pretends they are convinced she isn't running, I am enjoying the fact that they are petrified of her.

H. Clinton may have Goldman-Sachs, the HSBC Bank, and Wall Frackin' Street behind her, but Sen Warren has the people behind her, and that bothers The Third Way'ers.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #55)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 01:12 AM

57. Whatsamatta? No room in your big tent for stupid people?

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #57)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 01:18 AM

58. I love you.

 

That is all.

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #57)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 01:25 AM

60. The Republicans already have all the "stupid people" ...

It's a demographic we could never capture.

Sometimes you just have to give up on certain groups, and say it was (thankfully) never meant to be.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #55)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 01:31 AM

62. Look, there can be no doubt that I suck

 

But I draw the line at insulting my simpletons. They really don't deserve that kind of abuse. Just because they were born without your gifts of profound insight coupled with a rapier wit, it doesn't mean that they can't lead dignified, even fulfilling lives.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #62)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 07:22 AM

79. Manny, I think that perhaps there has been a directive issued that liberal/Progressive talk

 

that does not give obeisance to a certain wanna-be shoo-in is to be stamped (or stomped) out. Pretty obvious, and kinda amusing. Won't have any effect. Party on! (pun intended).

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #62)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 08:24 AM

86. REsults for that hiddden post:

On Tue Mar 3, 2015, 08:16 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

You always manage to simplify things ...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6303253

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Personal attack on both Manny and a substantial portion of DU.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Mar 3, 2015, 08:22 AM, and the Jury voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Yep. I'd take 1000 manny's over one nance...
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Actually, the whole thread should be hidden.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: When is admin going to PPR this bile filled troll. She does nothing but post crap about DU and DUers.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Rude, personal attack
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Thanks for calling us all simpletons. Vote to Hide.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

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Response to Fix The Stupid (Reply #86)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 03:51 PM

102. Good it looks like I may not be the only one that remembers the 2008 primaries

and how vile some on DU2 were and seemingly want to be again.

Funny how it seems that the loyalty and support has done a 180.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #62)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 03:38 PM

101. We "simpletons" love you anyway Manny. That's why all the recs

We "simpletons" aren't capable of much more than that but at least it gives us a fulfilling life.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026302554#post58 I'm saving this

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Response to Post removed (Reply #55)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 08:00 AM

83. I think he's a better writer than you though.

And I think you might know it too.

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Response to Bonobo (Reply #83)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 08:36 PM

122. and a lot funnier

Third Way Manny is a hoot.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #55)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 08:14 AM

84. And what could be simpler than blindly worshiping one's authoritarian leader.

 

Damn liberals are always causing trouble. Demanding representation from their elected representatives, demanding accountability, and always trying to look behind the curtain.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 01:27 AM

61. Question.

 

Ann Coulter announced in 2008 that she was supporting Hillary. Does that mean that Ann Coulter is a good pundit now since she came out in favor of a Democrat using your big tent theory?

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Response to Savannahmann (Reply #61)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 01:43 AM

64. A broken clock is right twice a day

 

Looking at the totality of her work... ewww.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 01:45 AM

65. If Ted Cruz or Cheney put a 'D' after their names, you bet they would be welcome to the big tent

with open arms. And maybe, a standing ovation. It's all about the label!

And to think, I once thought it was about much more than that.

Before I started 'learning about politics'.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 02:45 AM

70. Home Run!

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 05:58 AM

74. Kickety kick kick.

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 06:20 AM

75. I asked this a while back . . ..

Can any old Free Traitor, job offshorer and supporter of Friedmanomics be considered a Democrat? You probably wouldn't be surprised at some of the answers I got.

Next thing you know, we'll have Democrats who take a dry drunk, business-failin', silver-spoon Failure Fuhrer at his word when he says "Iraq is creatin' weapons of mass destructifyin' . . . TRUST US!"

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 06:23 AM

76. Hilarious Manny............

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 07:05 AM

78. Saying something is so, does not necessarily make it so.

and if one is in politics for the sole purpose of winning elections, then shame on them. It is real peoples lives that are being screwed with.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 08:24 AM

85. So who gets to decide who is a Democrat?

You? The thought police?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 02:46 PM

90. Hi, I'm an angry Elizabeth Warren Leftie

and I say, no shit, Sherlock.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 03:01 PM

91. Strawman argument. However, if your point is that certain people are NOT democrats and should not be called that....

...Who gets to decide? You? Which group here gets to decide the definition of Democrat and tell us who we should vote for because they are real democrats, not republicans in democratic clothing? Do we get to vote for this panel? Or will they, also, be picked for us because, clearly, any democrats urging for some party unity are too stupid to know they shouldn't vote for Ted Cruz if he's calling himself a Dem and should be led and directed by...?

That's what you're arguing for with this strawman argument. You're not arguing against genuine folk who are saying "this is a democrat who will win for us" but rather against a cartoon version of such people, a strawman version who you can simplify and make look alarming. If that cartoon were real, then maybe this argument would have validty. But the truth is, that's not what REAL people arguing that side are saying at all.

Genuine people arguing the other side seem to be saying, so far as I can see, that we should vote for, say, Obama even though he didn't hold all our cherished wishes (like gay marriage—which he didn't advocate at first) because he, yes, will win, and when he does he will get some important, shared values of ours passed like healthcare or a judge on the supreme court who won't overturn Roe vs. Wade. Also, that he might be open to gay marriage eventually—or at least, not so against it that he will harm it's progression. They're arguing that this, in their opinion, is a better than picking someone with all those cherished values who might lose; which will leave us with none of those things and, worse, may lose us gains like Roe vs. Wade.

I.e. We'd love to have it all in a president, but we'll take some instead of all rather than risk losing our place and ending up having to re-fight certain battles all over again (see voting rights. Why are we having to re-fight this battle? Because Republican presidents stacked the Supreme Court deck. Shall we let them do that again and have to re-fight more of these battles while not getting anything we want at all?).

Arguing that there's hope for this democrat, who might be running and might win to be a good democrat (though maybe not the candidate of our dreams) is not the same as saying "vote for whoever will win no matter how crazy they are." Like a Ted Cruz if he named himself a democrat.

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Response to Moonwalk (Reply #91)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 04:23 PM

106. He's saying principles and ideology matter.

Because the PARTY is going to be saying what matters is that the people don't have an "R" next to their name.

Because if it is about principles and ideology we will have the same turnout we did for the last election cycle. Because the ideology and principles of current D's is worse than trash.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 03:11 PM

93. Well played, Manny.

 

These posts are performance art. Too bad some don't realize it.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 03:24 PM

96. Dems aren't "organized". Have you seen the room where they're computer is at?

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 03:35 PM

99. If we can attract a KKK wing of the party, we might get back

some of the states we lost when we got the Civil Rights laws passed!

We can appoint a celebrity, maybe Phil Robertson of Duck Dynasty, as spokesman for the group.

And how about a Leo Strauss wing?


Oh, yeah, we already have the Third Way covering that one.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 03:35 PM

100. A lot of staw men ...

Jesse Helms
Ben Nighthorse Campbell
Zell Miller

That's low hanging fruit..

Can the following Democratic elected officials call themselves Democrats by the flexible rules of this board?

I'll throw out a few

Bill Nelson
Dianne Feinstein
Mark Warner
Tim Kaine


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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 04:12 PM

104. Rhetorical Clap Trap. n/t

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 04:46 PM

107. Perfect. You capture so well a certain point of view.

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 05:46 PM

109. Like you say, Manny, we need to get our ducks in a row. Goose stepping our way into sunset.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 07:10 PM

113. Wow Third Way Manny sure does arouse ire in some here!

 

It is as if they take it personally! Like what you say is the way they really are in RL! Keep it up, next they will be starting a new purge list and sending it directly to the admins! In hopes that the admins turn around and ban the members that they don't like!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 07:53 PM

118. Reminds me of an OP I wrote a while back...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023965304

Before we jump for joy that moderate Republicans are switching to the Dem Party...
take into consideration that it is only going to water down the Dem Party and move it even more to the right.

The reason they're giving for switching is that they think the Tea Party is too crazy and has taken control of the party. It's not that they've had some epiphany and realize that what they believe is wrong and now they see that all the Dem Party stances are the right way to go. So I'm certainly not elated by it.

So we'll be adding a bunch of Dinos who may or may not actually vote with the party, and who will make the party more right wing. Not necessarily a good thing.

The one good thing I see is that it may get the moderates to really work to get their party back away from the extremists. But they've got a big fight since there are several conservative groups working to defeat moderate R's in the primaries and replace them with the crazies. Hopefully if the crazies win the primary, they don't go on to win the general election.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 09:01 PM

124. I'm picking up on the sarcasm.



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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 09:25 PM

125. Shirley, you jest!

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 09:54 PM

129. That's Brillant Manny

 

Imagine all that POWER! Democrats would vaporize the republicans and rule the country. Rule the Hemisphere, Rule the WORLD!!! YYYYEAaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Wed Mar 4, 2015, 08:37 PM

130. Channeling Rahm again Manny?

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