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Tue Mar 3, 2015, 03:53 PM

Marijuana to blame for much of the city's (NYC) spike in homicides so far this year

Marijuana is to blame for much of the city's spike in homicides and shootings during the beginning of this year, causing the NYPD to examine a few select precincts as largely responsible for the increases, Police Commissioner Bill Bratton said Monday.

There were 54 homicides for the first two months of the year, a 20% increase from the same time last year, according to NYPD statistics. More than 70% of homicides were the result of a shooting.

And many of these homicides, NYPD officials said, were marijuana-related "rip-offs."


http://www.amny.com/news/marijuana-to-blame-for-many-of-the-city-s-spike-in-homicides-so-far-this-year-1.10001032

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Reply Marijuana to blame for much of the city's (NYC) spike in homicides so far this year (Original post)
ghostsinthemachine Mar 2015 OP
ghostsinthemachine Mar 2015 #1
Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #10
ghostsinthemachine Mar 2015 #24
libodem Mar 2015 #11
freeplessinseattle Mar 2015 #30
OriginalGeek Mar 2015 #2
hobbit709 Mar 2015 #3
NightWatcher Mar 2015 #4
FrodosPet Mar 2015 #19
wildbilln864 Mar 2015 #29
HappyMe Mar 2015 #5
marmar Mar 2015 #6
bravenak Mar 2015 #7
ProfessorGAC Mar 2015 #18
arcane1 Mar 2015 #8
Go Vols Mar 2015 #9
Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #12
Iggo Mar 2015 #13
DefenseLawyer Mar 2015 #14
Name removed Mar 2015 #16
Taitertots Mar 2015 #23
Politicalboi Mar 2015 #26
Taitertots Mar 2015 #27
msongs Mar 2015 #15
TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #17
Rex Mar 2015 #20
ohnoyoudidnt Mar 2015 #21
BigDemVoter Mar 2015 #22
sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #25
WDIM Mar 2015 #28

Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 03:54 PM

1. I was almost killed over pot....

Actually in reading this and re jerking my knee I gotta say, Well ya know I almost got killed and know four people who have been killed over pot, so that is true. He is not saying that it causes murder, but that it's illegality and underground economy causes the murders, just like it was during prohibition( at least that is what I am hearing)

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 04:05 PM

10. Funny--I "heard" exactly the same thing when I read it.


Legalization & regulation could go a long way toward cleaning this up. However, those policies would be detrimental to the police, the prosecutors, and the prisons. As well as all the other complications we know about.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 08:53 PM

24. I doubt that was what he meant though

Legalization and guess what? This stops happening.

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 04:05 PM

11. Did your knee jerk

And hit you in the nose?

I have black eye from my knee jerk reaction and bruises from falling out of my chair.

Lots of injury accidents are caused by misunderstanding it seems.

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 4, 2015, 01:36 AM

30. Leggo my Eggo!! eom

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 03:54 PM

2. Sounds to me that it's the lack of legal cannabis

that is the cause for these shootings.

Well, that and it's easier to get a gun than a dime bag.

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 03:55 PM

3. RIGHT!!!!

And for your next magical trick?

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 03:55 PM

4. No, these were due to the black market that marijuana prohibition is forced into

If the people were able to buy it in a store, there'd be no rip offs and therefore no shootings from the above mentioned rip offs.

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 07:34 PM

19. If people are able to buy it AS CHEAP, or cheaper, at a store

Just like cigarettes in New York, if the legal product is expensive from taxes, then the illegal market will still be significant.

https://www.vice.com/read/i-spent-a-day-with-a-guy-selling-illegal-cigarettes-on-the-streets-of-nyc-1023

I Spent a Day with a Guy Selling Illegal Cigarettes on the Streets of New York
October 23, 2014
by Solange Uwimana

It's a cloudy and cool September morning on Staten Island when I make my way to Bay Street looking for someone to sell me illegal cigarettes. I don't smoke, but ever since Eric Garner's haunting death here a few months ago after the police approached him for selling "loosies"-individual, untaxed cigarettes-I've wanted to know how easy it is to find someone who will sell me illegal smokes on the street.

~ snip ~

Lato is unhurried and nonchalant as he sells Newps to a dozen or so people on the street in the hour we stand there talking. Newport was the second-best selling brand of cigarettes nationwide behind Marlboro in 2013. It's also the only brand Lato is selling this morning.

~ snip ~

"Everybody on Staten know that Bay Street right here is the market for cigarettes," he tells me. "Everybody on Staten Island know if you want to pay $8 for a pack of cigarettes, go to Bay Street. Any place else is $9 and better."

That's an amazing deal in a town where the average price of a pack of smokes is somewhere around $13. I've seen them listed for as low as $11 in Harlem and as high as $15 in Midtown. Those prices include the state excise tax of $4.35, as well as the city's local tax of $1.50. That makes New York the most expensive state in which to buy cigarettes.

~ snip ~

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Response to FrodosPet (Reply #19)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 09:48 PM

29. legalize it and...

 

let people grow their own in their own backyards or whatever!

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 03:57 PM

5. Wouldn't happen if it was legal.

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 03:58 PM

6. Reefer madness lives!

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 03:58 PM

7. Prohibition is to blame for the violence.

 

Remember the violence during alcohol prohibition? Same shit is going on right now with other drugs. Tha site did not load for me.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 05:47 PM

18. For Proof Of Yout Point, See 1922 to 1932

In nearly every big city, but particularly here in Chicago (bang bang).

If booze had been legal, the gangs here would have slowly evolved in size and scope. Instead in one fell swoop, the toughest, angriest and most ruthless gained control.

Just silly how anyone could not have learned this obvious lesson.

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 03:59 PM

8. Sounds more like "rip-offs"are the cause.

 

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 04:05 PM

9. lol

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 04:12 PM

12. Prohibition is to blame. They don't call it a drug war for nothing, people get killed.

 

And of course this is the NYPD who is willing to kill someone for selling a cigarette.

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 04:28 PM

13. Legalize it.

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 04:39 PM

14. And just wait til they have to start dealing with the rabbits n/t

 

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Response to Name removed (Reply #16)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 08:03 PM

23. I live in a medical marijuana state and there is a bunny that lives in my backyard

 

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She/He tried to walk into my house a couple times when I had the door open to bring in groceries.

God help us if that little guy/girl starts getting baked.

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Response to Taitertots (Reply #23)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 09:06 PM

26. Baked or fried

 

Bunnies like to chew electrical cords too.

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Response to Politicalboi (Reply #26)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 09:15 PM

27. Baked and fried. Didn't you see Refer Madness?

 

That rabbit is going to be laughing and dancing to jazz music in no time.

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 05:20 PM

15. and what 5 of homnicides were committed by the benevolent brotherhood of police? nt

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 05:43 PM

17. No, Commissioner Bratton you lie. Your stupid and failed drug war is the 100% the cause.

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 07:37 PM

20. Always easier to blame a weed that grows in the ground, it cannot testify or hold an opinion.

 

The War on Drugs will be remembered as one of the biggest social failure ever implemented by any nation anywhere. Nothing went along with it, no rehabilitation or ways to improve drug laws. Just SMASH THEM WITH A HAMMER.

This is why we cannot have nice things.

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 07:44 PM

21. Clearly something must be done.

How many people where shot over illegal marijuana in Colorado and Washington so far this year? I think there's an obvious solution.

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 07:56 PM

22. Horseshit

Yeah, like we're supposed to believe that somebody is going to take several bong hits and then get murderous and take off with a pistol and chainsaw!

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 08:55 PM

25. More proof that it needs to be LEGALIZED.

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Response to ghostsinthemachine (Original post)

Tue Mar 3, 2015, 09:44 PM

28. I wonder how many homicides were for money.

Maybe we should make money illegal people are killed for money everyday.

As everybody said above this type of violence is a direct result of prohibition. People will still be robbed for it when it is legal but no more so than money.

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