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Ever since Bin Laden was killed I have wondered where the outrage was. He was found with a treasure trove of intel. and he was found to have command and control of the Al Qaeda network right up until his death. Why wasn't this a huge story?
For years we were told he was living in a cave and no longer mattered, he was no threat. Then we find out he was not only a threat, but he was the greatest threat to American security there was. He was involved in planning attacks that killed and would have killed Americans. I have a pretty good idea why his role had been downplayed for 8 years, because the Bush Administration wanted to downplay their total failure to kill or capture Bin Laden both at Tora Bora and in the years following. I have a hard time believing that our Intelligence leaders didn't know that Bin Laden was still our biggest threat and every day that he was free or alive put American lives at great risk. We were lied to in order to make us feel safe, that's a dynamic story that has been totally ignored by the press.
This should have been on the cover of every newspaper in the country in the days after Bin Laden's death, the outrage should have been earth moving and there should have been subsequent investigations as to why were lied to for 8 years and even if we weren't lied to, how on earth could our intelligence be so poor that we didn't even know who was in charge of Al Qaeda. I am at a loss as to why none of this happened.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,001 posts)I understand alright why it wasn't made a huge story in general, but why didn't one single journalist to my knowledge express outrage?
But in the end, you know what I want? I want some answers!!! I want some people held accountable for this even if it's just in the court of public opinion. I also don't think it's too late to be outraged and would love it if some journalists starting asking some of these tough questions even if it is a year later.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)because there are too many "Democratic Leaders" that are in this up to their eyeballs, so both teams agree to ignore the facts.
Edit: Check out Greg Palast's pieces on this. There were reporters doing their jobs, we just were not allowed to know it.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,399 posts)should IMHO be the fact that Bush didn't even take the threat posed by Bin Laden/Al-Queda seriously during the first few months of his (P)residency and was lackadaisical about adopting Clarke's recommendations or even following up on that fateful August 2001 PDB. Instead, he and his whole team were hyper-focused instead on Iraq and non-existent Cold War-era threats.
zbdent
(35,392 posts)when George W. Bush said he wasn't concerned about Osama bin Laden ... scrubbed, of course, from the White House web site for months, after Kerry mentioned it in the debates ... so that the "liberally-biased media" apparently couldn't replay the "only piece of videotape of George W. Bush answering questions at a press conference" ...
unblock
(52,163 posts)we all know what shrub said publicly, and what obama said publicly, but we don't know if shrub actually called on them to make it a lower priority (probably not, he just didn't want to highlight the his ongoing failure, but still wanted to find him) though we can guess that obama DID amp up the effort as soon as he took office.
how it's covered in the media is no mystery. the story is a loser for the members of the right-wing club, so it gets glossed over as a hum-drum, routine, and obvious action. the story then becomes how partisan democrats are being about it, blah, blah, blah.
there's really little difference in how this story is carried compared to so many other stories, "debates", and issues. everything from topic choice to speaker choice to "analysis" to story angle and so on is all geared to help the right wing and pay only lip service to anything that doesn't serve their interests.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Why harsh everybody's mellow with niggling questions about the Official Story and petty concerns with quaint old documents? Can't you just be happy about an elite squad of assassins gunning down a sick old man and dumping his body at sea? Everyone agrees he was very, very bad and had it coming.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)have a chance to live nearly ten more years. I saw instead the countless family members that had their lives forever changed. I came from a family where we lost 3 brothers, two barely twenty years old. Losing a family member when they are not expected to die is heart wrenching. Fuck bin laden, may he rot in hell, I don't give a shit about how he was sent to hell.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)I mean, I realize I'm way out of this year's fashion, insisting on such passé concepts like "evidence" and "fair trials" and "due process," and I'm trying real hard to trim my ideals to fit the new sensibility. But I'm still having trouble with my tax dollars paying for roving teams of assassins going around the world and blowing people away on nothing more than "everyone says." That's what led to the September 11 attacks in the first place.
2012 and we still have pity parties for that fucker?
Amazing.
So they should have arrested him, eh?
"Excuse me sir, but you are under arrest so please put down your weapon so we can bring you to America for a trial that will give all your followers a cause to rally around and maybe they can even attack the city the trial is being heldin."
Fuck him, the world is a better place without his presence.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Yes, I would insist on due process for the devil himself, because that's the only way I get it for me should I ever be accused of a heinous crime. It's called the rule of law, and is based on our Constitution. And you know what that makes me?
An American.
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)He was a goat herder. If he really was behind 9/11, why didn't the FBI list that on his record. He was a puppet for the US, and when we were done with him, we killed him, just like Saddam. We are the big bad US of A, and some "terrorist" in a cave out did our military???? Really? I would think Americans are due a refund of defense spending. The Pentagon didn't even protect itself let alone the White House. 9/11 was all theater.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1382651/Osama-bin-Laden-dead-Billionaires-son-used-wealth-climb-terrorism-tree.html
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)...mainly because after the raid, very little was said about the quality of the intel and then later, what did come out (to the best of my recollection) wasn't particularly earth-shattering.
If they found a legal pad with a list of ten things that UBL wanted to blow up, bam, there's 10 plots that UBL was "involved" in. But his ability to actually carry those out? That's another thing.
Al Quaeda was the construct of a very driven, very wealthy political terrorist. If you know the story of Siddhartha, he's sort of like Siddhartha in reverse. His decentralized terrorist organization was cobbled together from what he could grab in Afghanistan and elsewhere...usually from financing.
When the money ran out, human resources which comprised Al Qaeda shifted back to other groups which still had the cash to support them.
Usama bin Laden was nowhere near the US's biggest threat. He was a rich dude who wanted to play hardcore, tried to buy his own evil empire, parly succeeded, and after buying safety in Pakistan, spent the rest of his days stroking his fucking gray beard while he watched news clips about himself.
I'm sure he had his toes in all sorts of stuff- I'm definitely not convinced that he was the sole financer of the 9/11 attacks, if he financed them directly at all- but the bigger enemies to America are the state-sponsored terror groups, such as those which the Pakistani ISI has supported or the quasi-state sponsored terror that comes out of Saudi Arabia as a backlash to America's presence there.
If Usama bin Laden was really such a great threat, why are we still in Afghanistan? Why are we still bombing Pakistan? Why are we still in a state of national emergency?
Think about those questions.
No, there are a whole motherfucking host of people who were far bigger threats to America, and most of them are informal agents of nation states. Their names are not so easily known, and sometimes they take money for supplies from governments hostile to the US and sometimes they take money from the US itself.
You think I'm kidding? Who was busted for helping to train M.E.K. recently?
PB
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)The intelligence has been used to close to wipe out al queda. Bin laden spent every waking day plotting how to kill as many innocent people as possible. I really don't give a shit if a Seal executed bin laden, though my sense is the Seal fired in self defense. Bin laden is dead, a major bastard is gone from the face of the earth.
Poll_Blind
(23,864 posts)..."Was bin Laden's killing justified?", it's "Was bin Laden America's biggest threat?"
The answer to that question, IMO, is "No."
PB
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)to decimate al queda. President Obama made a gutsy call that Romney simply does not have the internals to make. Obama has made several other gutsy calls outside of national security that Romney simply could not bring himself to make. Presidents don't get a chance to redo decisions, those decisions have to be made and the consequences lived through. Romney has betrayed himself with his statements that he would see what happens before making a decision. How fucking stupid is that? See the future before deciding it?
may day 2012
(8 posts)(A Pagan holiday for anyone who's interested in symbolism... )
A robed man in a cave did 9/11?
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)may day 2012
(8 posts)You win.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)Bake
(21,977 posts)They needed him to keep the sheep skeered!! So we'd need THEM to protect us! So they never looked for him. But every so often, at strategic times, a video or audio tape would pop up, just in time to scare us all again!
That's why they didn't look for him. But Obama got the sumbitch!
BIN LADEN IS DEAD AND GENERAL MOTORS IS ALIVE!
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012!!
Bake
BIN LADEN IS DEAD AND GENERAL MOTORS IS ALIVE!
OBAMA/BIDEN 2012!!
The above is begging to be made into a bumper sticker.