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Fri Mar 6, 2015, 10:13 AM

So go google 'clinton email ambassador fired'...

Why am I telling you what to google, rather than providing a link?

Because I actually don't know which websites are right wing places and which aren't, and I'm not going to waste my time getting hit with 'shoot the messenger' attacks if I accidentally choose one to link to that turns out to be a RW one.

Morning Joe this morning talked for a while about how a 2012 Inspector General's report brought up the fact that under the HRC State Department an ambassador was fired, among other reasons, for using commercial email services rather than State Department mailservers, and for wanting a private non State Department wi-fi hotspot so he could use his private laptop. Using the google search term above returns a lot of hits, many of which, no doubt are RWers dancing in glee over this.

I now leave it to the pro and con Hillary warriors to fight it out as to why this is pertinent/another red herring.

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Reply So go google 'clinton email ambassador fired'... (Original post)
Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 OP
wyldwolf Mar 2015 #1
stevenleser Mar 2015 #4
hughee99 Mar 2015 #10
Segami Mar 2015 #2
RiverLover Mar 2015 #6
DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #3
razorman Mar 2015 #5
2naSalit Mar 2015 #7
joeybee12 Mar 2015 #8
Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #9
joeybee12 Mar 2015 #11
Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #12
PeaceNikki Mar 2015 #13

Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 10:19 AM

1. yawn

Only a few lines in a 62-page report on the Ambassador's performance deals with email use. He was not let go just for that one violation. The report was generally described as one of the worst reviews of an ambassador’s performance written by the IG’s staff in several years.

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 10:24 AM

4. As I have said to folks trying to play up the email scandal, by itself its simply not a big deal.

 

It is only a big deal if it is combined with other wrongdoing where the use of personal emails is alleged as part of a cover-up.

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Response to wyldwolf (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 12:48 PM

10. "not let go just for that one violation"? What violation?

My understanding from the defenders is that it's not a violation of law, official policy, unwritten policy or even good sense.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 10:21 AM

2. Scott Gration was the ousted Ambassador....

 



Ousted ambassador sounds off on Hillary email flap


A former ambassador now entangled in the storm over former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s use of a private e-mail account fired back at the State Department Friday, disputing claims that he made a determined effort to conduct official business via an e-mail system not under government control.

In a lengthy e-mail to POLITICO and other news outlets, Scott Gration, a former Air Force general who served as ambassador to Kenya, brushed aside comparisons between his situation and Clinton’s. However, Gration acknowledged that his dismissal in 2012 — while Clinton was secretary — was due in part to the department’s resistance to his efforts to have easy access to his Gmail account while he served as the top U.S. diplomat in Nairobi.


“...My experience was somewhat different than Secretary Clinton’s use of her commercial account, yet I was ‘fired’ for the use of Gmail in the US Embassy, my insistence on improving our physical security posture, and other twisted and false allegations,” Gration wrote from Kenya, where he now works in the private sector. “I’ve chosen to move on and to be better, not bitter...”


Gration portrayed his difficulties as largely a result of clashing with the State Department’s information technology bureaucracy, which he said resisted reasonable requests to enable easy access to his personal e-mail account during the work day.


“It is true that I used my Gmail account to access my alerts and unclassified personal emails. I had subscribed to three ‘alerts’ programs that sent me breaking news stories, analysis of important events, and Africa-related articles…I use Gmail because these services were not available on the State Department’s OpenNet computer network,” the former ambassador wrote. “Over the years, I had also built a professional network that used my Gmail address. I wanted to have access to these capabilities and contacts while at work.”


Gration did not explain why he could not re-direct alerts to his State.gov e-mail address. He did say that the State Department also bucked his attempts to access his personal account via his government Blackberry phone.


http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/scott-gration-ex-ambassador-hillary-clinton-emails-115820.html

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Response to Segami (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 10:26 AM

6. At least he had a .gov email address that he used for govt business

And he got fired in part for news alerts to his own gmail acct.

That's messed up.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 10:23 AM

3. Thank you. I googled it.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 10:25 AM

5. I understand your dilemna. I vaguely recall the incident you mentioned.

In regard to Mrs. Clinton's current email controversy, I am reluctant to declare whether her actions were either legal or illegal. There are people on both sides of the issue already making hard and fast statements about it. Many of her detractors are saying that it was absolutely illegal, or even a felony. Some defenders are saying that she broke no laws or rules, and that this is all a furor over nothing. Since the law is often foggy about such things, I am reserving judgement. I am not a lawyer or legal expert. But, regardless of the situation's legality, it is certainly not good optics.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 12:37 PM

7. That issue is soooo

1992. I'm over it already.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 12:42 PM

8. You already blew it...your post refers to a right-wing source...

 

Morning Joe, the intern murderer.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #8)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 12:44 PM

9. Well, that's where I saw it first.

But I said google it because I want people to find whatever they can from whatever site they 'trust' more.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #9)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 12:49 PM

11. I'm a skeptic...I don't believe anyone!

 

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #11)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 12:52 PM

12. Hah!

You don't even exist. I'm the only one who does, and everything around me is simply my imagination!

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 12:53 PM

13. Hint: they all are right-wing shitholes

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