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Sun Mar 15, 2015, 10:50 AM

 

The Hard Left simply doesn't realize how damned difficult it is

to carry two cell phones.

Let's get real for a moment: because the Hard Left doesn't know enough to do pragmatic favors for Jamie, Lloyd, and the other shrewd businessmen who love their country, they're usually broke and could never afford two cell phones.

Well, as a person who can afford two cell phones, let me tell you: carrying two cell phones is damned difficult work. (No, having your assistant carry them doesn't make it any easier, nice try.)

So, Moonbats, until you've walked a mile in another woman's (beautifully-crafted!) shoes, stop being Republicans. Just pipe down and let the pros handle this.

Regards,

Third-Way Manny

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msanthrope Mar 2015 #15
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Response to BeanMusical (Reply #16)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 12:52 PM

21. He's been demoted! Lol!

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:00 PM

77. Psst, is it safe to say something positive about Hillary here? shhh..dont tell anybody I am here

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 10:52 AM

2. Sometimes I find it amazing the cul-de-sacs

that people elect to spin their tires in.

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Response to Skidmore (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 12:44 PM

15. You know what cul-de-sac actually means, right?

 

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #15)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 12:50 PM

18. It's French for Turd Way.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #15)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 01:08 PM

23. I know exactly what I said.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 10:53 AM

3. Shouldn't these post be signed The Real Manny?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #4)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 02:31 PM

72. So these posts you are making are

Satiring people who don't want Hillary to run and want Elizabeth warren to run instead?

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #25)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:02 PM

78. You are famous or infamous here at DU, not sure which, but clue me in, are you a

administrator here or something?

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Response to boston bean (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 01:12 PM

30. you Better Believe It. nt

 

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Response to boston bean (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 01:28 PM

43. Or perhaps signed by ... Straw-Manny.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #43)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 01:30 PM

44. Trey Gowdy Manny. nt

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 11:20 AM

5. Who paid her phone bills?

 

I'd imagine with all that traffic it must have been pretty high? And, how did they work out which calls were "personal" and which "business"?

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #5)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:03 PM

80. God knows I hope we find out and we ignore silly things like potential nuclear war with Russia or

Iran.

Homelessness, etc.


Those emails and Benghazi are so important...

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #5)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:15 PM

87. I don't know about you...

but my privately managed account costs $5 a month.

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #5)

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 10:39 AM

129. Maybe along the way she just tossed some change into

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 11:32 AM

7. Quit complaining and do something!

Quit demanding other people do things according to your way and not theirs! Do your own thing!

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Response to treestar (Reply #7)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 12:34 PM

13. Well ...

 

complaining IS doing their own thing.

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Response to treestar (Reply #7)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 01:09 PM

24. That would require him to actually leave his keyboard./NT

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #24)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:05 PM

82. And for instance work to get people to the polls etc. Yeah, it isnt easy work but someone has to do

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Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #82)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:19 PM

88. Do you have one of those peep holes in your computer that can see into the homes of other DUers

so you know what they do with their other than the time they spend here? There are a few people here who, like you, seem to be able to follow DUers around somehow?

Or is that just one of those old and long outdated, attempts to try to discredit other people you actually know nothing about? That's why it became outdated, btw.

How would YOU know what Manny or anyone else does with their time?

By your logic, that's all you do also, no?

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #88)

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 09:27 AM

124. Well, it's not really a peep hole..

 

and your kitchen window is cracked about an inch open....just FYI

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Response to NoJusticeNoPeace (Reply #82)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:19 PM

89. Our friend would probably hector them to vote over the internet./NT

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Response to treestar (Reply #7)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 01:30 PM

45. Every DU OP that attacks Hillary helps force Warren to run.

Or at least that seems to be the theory at work here.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #45)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 01:58 PM

60. Hehe

Just how many threads does Elizabeth demand?

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Response to treestar (Reply #60)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 02:01 PM

62. I'm betting ...

... she's unaware of the strategy at work here.

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Response to treestar (Reply #7)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 02:10 PM

66. Who did pay for Hillary's e-mail and phone accounts?

Do you know? I never thought of that until this moment.

Did Hillary get the costs reimbursed from an expense account?

Did she pay the bills herself out of her salary and other income?

Or did Goldman Sachs or some third party pay them?

Same for Jeb Bush.

Who paid for the e-mail account that he did not turn in until after the law required?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 11:43 AM

8. Still on about the email thing? Y'all must really be hurting for a new scandal.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #8)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 12:02 PM

10. Au contraire,

 

I'm yearning for them to all go away.

Regards,

First- and Third-Way Mannies

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #10)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:14 PM

106. One more Manny

and you'll be able to turn the double play.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #10)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 11:20 PM

117. FOX News is the only station running it.

Oh, well, I guess and the punditry at the Sunday talk shows.

But we can root for the Republicans to subpoena her databases, no?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 12:06 PM

11. Nothing new to discuss, Manny?

This is pretty weak sauce. Oh, well...

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #11)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:04 PM

81. Who needs the extra baggage when you travel a lot.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #11)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:14 PM

86. Speaking of weak sauce it's not about a duck... not even a duck

Last edited Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:39 PM - Edit history (1)

with plum sauce but...oh, well...

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Response to Autumn (Reply #86)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:33 PM

102. You have a problem with ducks?

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #102)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:40 PM

104. I like roast duck.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #104)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:50 PM

105. So do I, along with crispy wok-fried duck.

I also really like watching that pair of mallards who have come to my yard for eleven years. I don't see that as a conflict in any way. Perhaps I have a broader view of things. But thanks for mentioning my duck thread.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #105)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:49 PM

109. Do your ducks

all come in a row or are they all scattered about?

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Response to aspirant (Reply #109)

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 08:30 AM

119. There are just two, a mated pair.

So, it's hard to tell if they're in a row. Usually, one eats while the other watches.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #119)

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 09:09 AM

120. Can you tell if they really like you

or just using you for food subsidies?

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Response to aspirant (Reply #120)

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 09:22 AM

121. They're wild birds. It's not a matter of like or not like.

They recognize us as the creatures who put food out for them. More than that, I can't say.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #121)

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 09:29 AM

125. Do wild life have feelings too?

If they are a mated pair, love would be in the air so why not like?

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Response to aspirant (Reply #125)

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 09:33 AM

126. This thread is not about ducks. If you'd like to talk about ducks,

this thread is the one where I mentioned the pair of ducks that returns to my yard each year:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026367284

I won't respond in this thread any further on that subject. Hijacking threads is not a great thing to do.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #126)

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 09:42 AM

127. Would your posts

#102 and #105 (eating ducks) be considered hijacking too?

Would you eat your pair of ducks?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 12:23 PM

12. Personal and business.

 

When you're using USAID to put pressure on the Haitian government to keep slave wages for the benefit of the big money donors to your own foundation, who decides what emails are personal and business?

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Response to ND-Dem (Reply #64)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:27 PM

74. The attack-the-messenger crowd won't touch this.

 

Stop hating Hillary! You're helping Republicans!

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Response to OnyxCollie (Reply #12)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:28 PM

107. If you read that in Wikileaks, you are liable for prosecution.

Hence the brouhaha and resulting secret courts.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #107)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:53 PM

110. If Al Qaeda read it, that would make me an associate.

 

Since due process does not mean judicial process, I can expect to be put on the Terror Tuesday kill list for drone assassination.

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Response to OnyxCollie (Reply #12)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 10:20 PM

112. That was quite concise! Right to the heart of the matter.

 

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Response to OnyxCollie (Reply #12)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 11:36 PM

118. The connection is an absurd conspiracy.

USAID made a study, the factory owners successfully bribe their minimum wage exemption into existence, and USAID gets blamed for "bolstering" the factory owners.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 12:42 PM

14. 2 email accounts on the same phone. how hard is that?

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 12:48 PM

17. I will say this

My company Z-10 Blackberry which they had to pry out of my hands when I retired had a personal and a work space. My emails from the company came on the secure work space. Had I so wanted I could've had personal email on the personal space.

But I really don't care that much about Ms. Clinton's emails as long as they have been released. This is really a non-issue to me because whatever goes in an email is likely not very secure no matter who owns the server. When I was in the Air Force we were warned not to discuss sensitive material much less secret and top secret over the telephone and today people talk, Skype, Facebook, twitter et all everything. My grandson was putting stuff on Facebook when he was serving in Afghanistan. A friend of my who served in Iraq said that the soldiers were constantly letting family and friends know where they were and what they were doing.

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Response to TexasProgresive (Reply #17)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 01:48 PM

54. Two checking accounts?

 

I farm and I co-mingle my farm accounts and personal banking accounts. It isn't a big operation so it is easier to just carry one check book.

Oh and for those who will jump up and say "Use a credit or debit card". Sorry not all of the people I trade with are set up to take credit cards and bill paying is bet done by check.

There are times when it is best to do separate but equal.

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Response to Jim Beard (Reply #54)

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 09:22 AM

122. You better hope you never get audited. I farm too

 

Ive been.audited 3x. I also have a horse training and boarding operation which is a bigger target but I will tell you co-mingling personal and business funds is a bad idea...

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 12:51 PM

20. When did being "hard" become a bad thing anyway?

I mean what's this "hard left" bullshit, are we supposed to be wimps or something, reasonable? Like the conservatives are reasonable?

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Response to bemildred (Reply #20)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 01:11 PM

29. This OP is pretending that those echoing the GOP talking points on Clinton

 

are somehow more left wing and dedicated to progressive principles than people like Bernie Sanders are.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #29)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:10 PM

92. The OP is engaging in sarcasm or parody or something like that.

And the term "hard left" is supposed to be used by third-wayers to describe us "progressives". Or that was how I read it.

Edit: I was getting at the fact that the Clinton's pride themselves on being hard nosed and cold-blooded, so calling us hard is sort of a compliment.

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Response to bemildred (Reply #92)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:13 PM

93. yes, the idea being that it's third way types who refuse to join the Trey Gowdy crowd

 

in treating Clinton's email stuff as the crime of the century, because "true progressives" will always line up against the she-Devil known as Hillary Clinton whereas it's the evil beltway sellouts who are refusing to chime in their abject horror at hillary clinton using one email address for all of her correspondence.



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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #93)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:18 PM

96. Well, if it helps, I think the email scandal is horseshit.

But then I think the idea of secure email is horseshit. If you want it secure, write a real letter, put it in an envelope and seal it, and mail it first class. That won't work either, but you will make them go to a lot more trouble to read it.

The web is a public place, all of it. People need to stop treating it like it was their livingroom or a private space, it's not.

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Response to bemildred (Reply #96)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:21 PM

97. I agree. If people want something secret, they'll meet in person, go through

 

intermediaries to keep their fingerprints off it, or just use the telephone.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 01:02 PM

22. I don't even have one cellphone. :(

In California you can't get lifeline on both a landline and a cellphone, and my housemate insists on the landline.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 01:10 PM

27. Benghazi!

 

Is this Trey Gowdy Manny?

It's Republicans and their allies, not the left, that care about this shit.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #27)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:07 PM

84. I wish Liz and Bernie would post an OP here about who they will vote for...you think that

would stop the rightwing talking points?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 01:11 PM

28. This is what happens...now the mess is spreading to her Assistant???

Geez don't bring up THAT assistant!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 01:14 PM

32. I could be way off, but something tells me

you might be only pretending to love Third Way.

I'm going to keep my eye on you. My third eye, too.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 01:15 PM

33. The authentic progressive who never voted for Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and Bush Pere speaks:

"Why am I asked about Hillary Clinton every other day, about her emails?” he asks. “Do you know what — I can’t swear to you on this — last I checked, here in Washington, do you know how many calls I got from Vermont on Hillary Clinton’s emails? Zero. Yet I can’t walk down the hallways here without hearing about Hillary Clinton’s emails

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #33)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 01:18 PM

36. I'm sure the Trey Gowdy 'progressives' will excommunicate Bernie

 

due to his apostasy on Hillary Hate.

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Response to DemocratSinceBirth (Reply #33)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 01:24 PM

40. Yep

Seems like those emails only bother the right wingers, and the anti everything group here on DU. Seems like of they should be taking examples from Bernie, and stop the stupidity and get to discussing real issues. or better yet promoting the "candidate" that they think fits their way of thinking the best.

As for me I am still waiting to find out how is and who isn't running since we really don't know right now.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 01:15 PM

34. Her relationship with her server was private and consensual. Plus everyone else does it. Now,

look what the loony left has done, they've forced Hillary to drag her dead mother into it as a defense.

Respecting women. Yeah, sure. You go girl.



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Response to whereisjustice (Reply #34)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 01:17 PM

35. It's not anyone on the left driving this story.

 

Don't think partisan Democrats have failed to notice who has joined forces with John Boehner over this.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #35)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 01:25 PM

41. Because clearly we don't expect either Party to behave in an ethical manner. It's just so old

fashioned. Like the Bill of Rights.

Hillary planted the seeds of this mess. Her handling thus far has only made things worse.

So fuck me if I demand that the the golden girl Democrats are demanding for President have at least a shred of ethical conviction and think farther than her own self-interests.

Once again a Clinton has stepped out of bounds and the Democratic Party is forced to spin and twist a bunch of bullshit that the even the most political detached American can tell is pure bullshit.

She stepped in it and now she's trying to clean her shoe by rubbing it all over the place.

This is the problem with 3rd way putting all their eggs in Clintons basket.

Her fuck ups are likely to set us back another decade.

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Response to whereisjustice (Reply #41)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 01:28 PM

42. Blah blah blah Hillary is Satan blah blah blah.

 

Your personal hatred for the woman is not make you any more progressive or moral than those who care about shit that actually matters.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #42)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 01:33 PM

47. The most pusillanimous thing to do on a liberal or conservative bulletin board is to stake out...

The most pusillanimous thing to do on a liberal or conservative bulletin board is to stake out the most liberal or conservative position as possible.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #42)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 02:12 PM

67. Whoa - you think Hillary is Satan? Maybe her one device talks to the dark lord

himself and that's who told her to run state dept. business on a computer system in her basement.

Oh look, I think she has a call coming in now...

(Hail to the Chief Ring Tone)

"Hello, Rahm? Larry Summers says fuck the non-rich. What would Goldman say?"

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 01:19 PM

38. Manny, are there any Republicans for whom you carry the same ...

level of contempt and disdain in which you hold one of the more prominent members of the Democratic party?

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #38)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 01:21 PM

39. That is not fair and completely inaccurate.

 

There are at least two prominent Democrats whom he holds in much greater contempt than he does any Republican. You forgot about the President.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Reply #38)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 01:40 PM

48. All of 'em

 

Tell me, why did Lincoln scold and fire his losing generals? After all, it was the Confederacy that was the problem, right?

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #48)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 02:04 PM

63. Except you wish Obama hadn't won.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x761367

If you could reverse ONE election outcome, which would it be?

Of all the presidential elections since Watergate, if you could go back and reverse the outcome of just ONE of them (knowing that would have changed history and subsequent elections most likely would have featured different candidates debating very different issues, which election would you change and why?

1976: Carter d. Ford
1980: Reagan d. Carter
1984: Reagan d. Mondale
1988: Bush d. Dukakis
1992: Clinton d. Bush
1996: Clinton d. Dole
2000: Bush d(?). Gore
2004: Bush d. Kerry
2008: Obama d. McCain



MannyGoldstein

16. 2008.
Edited on Mon Mar-28-11 08:18 PM by MannyGoldstein
In the prior elections, people got what they wanted, whether it was good or bad, perhaps with the exception of the stolen 2004 election (which was close, anyway). So, no matter who won, things would have generally gone the way they did. For example, Al Gore was an active participant in Clinton's development of the outsourced-torture "extraordinary rendition" program.

In 2008, people voted overwhelmingly for hope and change, but we got much other, for examples:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-15-2010/resp...

This is an enormous problem. We've had almost 20% real unemployment for years, and more shoveling of worker's cash to the wealthiest. So now the Democratic brand is badly damaged, and the people have returned even-crazier Republicans to office in a desperate attempt for actual, helpful change. It's like the poor souls who leaped from the Twin Towers on 9/11 to avoid the fire. Awful, awful choices.

Would McCain's policies be much different? I don't see how. In addition, at least we'd have a chance for bringing in people with Democratic ideals in 2010 and 2012 - 2010 was a disaster, and 2012 is unlikely to see a good outcome at the Presidential level.



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Response to zappaman (Reply #63)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 02:15 PM

70. I did write that once in 30,000 posts

 

Sometimes I still feel that way.

Certainly, Obama's (lack of?) efforts have done tremendous damage to the belief of Americans that we can have real change: witness how young Americans are staying away from the ballot box since Obama came to office.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #70)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 02:37 PM

73. yes, you'd rather McCain won because you post alot...

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 01:33 PM

46. Just say'n, "Hard Left" sounds like a Vermont Apple Cider

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 01:40 PM

49. Hard Left? Dems are afraid to even mention stopping war without getting in a plane crash.

Shoot, let alone mentioning any accountability for starting illegal, immoral, unnecessary and disastrous ones for profit.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 01:41 PM

50. Just stop, Manny.

You just want a Republican to win, but let me tell you....those people, those Hard Left people....believe in unicorns and unions. We simply can`t have that.

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Response to democrank (Reply #50)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 01:46 PM

52. pimping the stupid ass email crap has absolutely nothing to do with supporting unions. nt

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 01:45 PM

51. We just need to go ahead and accept that this is going to be the ongoing practice

For both Republicans and Democrats, neither side will hold their own side to account for slippery practices and so have no standing to even complain about the other side.

Might as well bury transparency at the crossroads at midnight with a stake through its heart, it's dead Jim.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #51)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 01:49 PM

55. Do you really think Clinton would have sent hyper-sensitive, damaging emails

 

via a state.gov account had she had one, or that she would have (a) sent them using her private account anyways or (b) picked up the phone like people normally do when they don't want a paper trail?

This is not some 28-year old testosterone-fueled investment banker firing off stuff from a blackberry. This is one of the more cautious politicians in the modern era who knows better than anyone that any paper trail will be picked up. If she were really hiding something, we wouldn't know about it.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #55)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 01:56 PM

58. You missed my OP the other day?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026362441



And you're going to have to convince me that Hillary's IWR vote was cast out of an abundance of caution.

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #58)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 02:01 PM

61. Politically, it was a very cautious, cowardly vote.

 

Remember that in 2004 the conventional wisdom was that those who opposed Operation Desert Storm had revealed themselves to be pro-Saddam cowards who were afraid to let American military supremacy transform the planet into a paradise of freedom.

And ex post 9/11, one certainly didn't want to be painted as that lest one lose their Very Serious card. No other potential rivals for leadership of the party were raising their opposition to it--Kerry, Edwards, Biden, Dodd--every single Senate Democrat who wound up running in either 2004 or 2008 voted for the damn thing, because they didn't perceive any political downside to it. Because, who would call them on it--Dennis Kucinich?

As for the mistake, Clinton's mindset is probably very much: "they are going to have a fit about some stupid bullshit no matter what I do."

Had she just used a state.gov email address, and even one email had gone to the spam box or had failed to be saved, we'd be hearing about how Clinton's state department was scrubbing her emails of anything incriminating, with comparisons to Nixon erasing his tapes, etc.

Process driven stories like this tend to be about the unknowable and people's imaginations.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #61)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 02:13 PM

68. That's not terribly comforting when we are thinking about the next POTUS

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #68)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 02:16 PM

71. there's no flattering interpretation of that vote

 

maybe the best is that she would claim she was suffering from 911itis.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #71)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:57 PM

76. Just a promotion.

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #76)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:10 PM

85. I'm glad you're seeking common ground with people like Trey Gowdy, showing that bipartisan

 

cooperation is still possible, provided there is a common enemy.

Who says our political system is broken?

Too bad Bernie Sanders isn't your kind of Third Way.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #85)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:28 PM

90. Yes, that's what I'm doing. By the way,

 

are you OK with NSA spying? So's Louis Gohmert!

Congratulations, Louis-Gohmert enabler!

(Or maybe you just love sophomoric arguments. Even worse, maybe you believe them, eew.)

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #90)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:33 PM

91. The only people pushing the Clinton email story are Republicans and Republican-friendly

 

media hacks.

And, also, I'm not 'okay' with NSA spying on Americans.

Whining about Clinton's email server etc is substance-free hack stuff, not something genuine progressives who care about the issues tend to do.

But maybe there's something that you, Trey Gowdy, Fox News, and John Boehner know that Bernie Sanders, Martin O'Malley and Elizabeth Warren don't know.

But then, when one posts exclusively with the intent to attack Democrats, without attacking Republicans or pushing actual ideas, conclusions will be drawn.

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Response to geek tragedy (Reply #91)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:14 PM

94. Hooray! I'm a Republican!

 

The Democratic Wing of the Republican Party.

Oh boy!

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #94)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:16 PM

95. yay for transparency! nt

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #94)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:31 PM

98. Will you support Hillary if she is the nominee?

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #98)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:57 PM

100. I haven't answered this for you before?

 

A: Probably. Depends on who else is running.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #100)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:02 PM

101. No I don't think you have answered that before but I could be wrong.

 

I pledge to support the nominee. I could never vote third party.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #101)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 08:33 PM

108. LOL! Who would vote third party? I mean realistically, for the presidential race?

 

I'm all for freedom of choice and if someone wants to waste a vote for a party that cannot ever win in a 100 years...

OTOH, I guess it still beats not voting or voting republican imo.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 01:46 PM

53. Will you support Hillary if she is the nominee?

 

I will support the nominee.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 01:52 PM

57. Yes, by all means let the

pros handle it. We have seen already
how well they have done that.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 02:05 PM

65. You're getting pretty good at the 'two minutes of hate' threads!

 


Two phones Manny!? TWO!? Rabblerabblerabblerabble!

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Response to Rex (Reply #65)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 03:56 PM

75. *Pretty* good?

 

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #75)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 05:34 PM

99. I see a few of the usual suspects missing.

 

However, after careful review - I'll give this thread a few more days so they can show up and 'rabblerabblerabblerabble' at you. I am a fair man.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 04:03 PM

79. Yesterday's scandal...

 

Democrats attacking other Democrats... same shit over and over.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 06:39 PM

103. I'm on the Left, and I'm Hard when I wake up in the morning ...

... so I guess this OP is about me, at least on an interim basis.

But there's something I don't understand. I have personal email and also work email, and I use them both with one smartphone. Am I the only one who has this technology?

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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #103)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 10:44 PM

114. Um...Okay...?

"But there's something I don't understand. I have personal email and also work email, and I use them both with one smartphone. Am I the only one who has this technology?"


MY grandson bought me a cellphone for Christmas (I wished he has saved his change, I'm not a big cellphone person). It will allow you to use two different 'numbers' at once. I don't have a work email anymore, I'm retired.


http://www.evine.com/offer/?offercode=451-483&track=-10102&ciid=11281

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 10:35 PM

113. Lame Shtick

but i guess it satisfies the need for attention

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 11:16 PM

116. Inconveniences are not necessarily difficult.

Perhaps "annoying" is the word you're looking for.

If you think it is "convenient" to have two devices, one for personal, one for government, that's fine.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Original post)

Mon Mar 16, 2015, 09:46 AM

128. How about if I glue those 2 phones together so I just have one!

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