Personally, I think if we vote the same people back into office

didn't Einstein complain about her?

...all of which she on record supporting and has voted for?

Progressive taxation? You seen the tax rate wealthy individuals and corporations pay?

Social safety net? You seen what a person gets on food stamps these days? Or the COLA adjustment to SS? Or the state of pensions?

Civil rights? Like in Ferguson?

Clinton is either silent on these issues or on the wrong side of them.

She's pro-choice, pro-gay rights, anti-SS and Medicare privatization...

As for Ferguson:



Since no candidate is going to deliver 100% of what you want, I assume you think they're all Republican light?

That was the first thought that hit my poor, beleaguered brain as well, blkmusicmachine!

Such as Landrieu in Louisiana and a far RW was elected in her place.

elect them.

They DID elect Progressive Dems in two Mid Terms now, so it's obvious when voters have someone to vote FOR they will.

Would you?

Clearly, voting the same people
in time after time provides
better results!

No sense looking backwards!
We need to look forward!

I live in Boston. I could vote for Godzilla and it would not make a bit of difference to anyone but me. But, if I lived in a purple district/city/county, my only hopes would be better Democrats or changing the entire system--ballot access, bought and paid for media, debate rules, the whole nine yards.

Neither of those things is going to happen in one or two election cycles. One has to be in it for the long haul and committed to part with time, money and effort.

I will never vote for any Republican or any rightist third party and I can't take the Greens seriously, at least not on the national level. (Shadow cabinet?) On the local level, they don't even run many people; and I live in Jill Stein's state.

So, while I don't necessarily disagree with you, I don't necessarily have any great solutions for 2016, either.

Thing is, Ted Kennedy did a lot for Massachusetts and for individual constituents. When he died, almost everyone had some story to tell of how Kennedy had helped him or her. And the money, health care, etc. he brought to the state were formidable.

Did he have faults? You bet. He admitted some of them himself, like holding up national health care. But, he made real, positive differences in the lives of Massachusetts citizens. So, his opponents could call for change as much as they wanted. No one bought.

but then I felt bad about laughing, because it's so true.

... I think if people keep rec'ing the same tired same old/same old from some posters, the results will be the same as they always are.

this was a tame thread that all should agree with.

All of you should let your bygones be bygones. So much (and no I'm not pointing at you, lest another spat break out) seems to be personal.

Manny's point in this thread, is pretty universal I would think.

... is always the same. He just keeps trying to find ways to make it seem "different".

You all have to get past your grievances you've had for years.

It seems like many of you hold grudges based on past conversations and can never more past them.

Yes, I have seen posts from both sides that seem to want to antagonize the other side.

Yet this is a very tame thread, that I find it hard to believe anyone could disagree with the message.

Can't you just judge this thread for what it's worth? For the here and now?

... I can't.

The OP's "message" is invariably the same message.

It's too bad, because deep down, you all want the same thing.

We all want the same thing.

You are all just to busy fighting to even realize it.

It's pointless.

And to say that everyone here "wants the same thing" is incredibly naive.

I'm naïve.

that's refreshing.

Rarely have I been cut down to size with such skill.

Karl Rove is a lying mother-fucker, stop being his tool.

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are either dead or not running for anything. Good night.

Sid

just sayin'

because the Rich want the same results.

The idea that no one is guaranteed office -- like a monarchy -- means we have a mild form of anarchy, meaning we replace our rulers at our will.

If we will, and they count the votes as cast.

But what we have now is a system gliding along on the same people in office year after year after year. It's practically guaranteed that once in office you have it for as long as you want.

And now it - democracy-- is pretty well non-existent with the same old rulers.

- Then this should be your motto Manny. It'll cover a multitude of sins over a much longer period of time....

... and which "same" people?

(wouldn't want to misconstrue your OP)

When did you make such a drastic change in your point of view?

if we vote these crazy ass tea-bagging nutjobs back into office, we will definitely get the same results.

Vote Democratic Party straight down the line!

There is at least one major and profound difference between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party.

When Dems have the majority, our "whackjobs" are locked up in the attic like a crazy aunt. When Repukes have control, their "whackjobs" get Committee Chairmanships.

Really? Sounds like you're over-generalizing here. How about Keith Ellison's district in Minnesota? Or Bernie Sander? Should we throw them all out?

I'm afraid I'm going to have to give your suggestion a pass.

No way in hell am I voting for Elizabeth Warren again in '16!

I don't like some others, mostly all republicans. Thankfully, your thoughts don't work at the executive level as we will be guaranteed a new president in the upcoming elections. I personally think we should vote the same people who show success right back into office.

Just think if the American voters hadn't voted for FDR FOUR times, things would certainly have been different and the results may well have been worse and not better!

Really.