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Twice I heard today that (from a jubilant reporter on the scene) that for the first time it in its history, Indiana includes gender identity into its statures. But according to the article below--it is not statewide--Only in places such as Indy that had the protections prior to Pence signing the saw last Monday. Anyway read it differently>>??
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/04/02/3642073/fix-indianas-religious-freedom-bill-not/
What The Fix To Indianas Religious Freedom Bill Does And Does Not Do
by Ian Millhiser Posted on April 2, 2015 at 10:32 am
Indianas RFRA will no longer trump state or local laws banning anti-gay discrimination: The fix provides that Indianas RFRA does not authorize businesses to refuse to offer or provide services, facilities, use of public accommodation, goods, employment, or housing to any member or members of the general public on the basis of a list of protected traits that includes sexual orientation and gender identity. Another provision provides that the states RFRA law does not establish a defense to a civil action or criminal prosecution brought against someone who engages in such discrimination. This language appears broad enough to permit local ordinances protecting gay and trans rights to function against business owners with religious objections to LGBT people. It also would enable a similar state law to function, were the Indiana legislature to pass such a law in the future.
The fix does nothing about Hobby Lobby: At the same press conference where Pence announced that he was open to language protecting against anti-LGBT discrimination, he also cited the Supreme Courts Hobby Lobby decision as an example of what he hoped the fixed RFRA bill would still accomplish. It remains to be seen whether the Indiana courts will interpret the states RFRA bill the way that the Supreme Court read federal RFRA in Hobby Lobby that is, whether they will allow religious objections to be used to diminish the rights of others. It is likely, however, that state courts will follow the Supreme Courts lead, as they often do when tasked with interpreting similar laws.
The fix does not apply to religious groups: Though the fix protects against discrimination by most individuals and businesses, it does still permit RFRA to be invoked by churches, nonprofit religious organizations or clergy who engage in discrimination.
LGBT people in Indiana gain no new rights from the fix: In the wake of the backlash against the original Indiana RFRA law, many LGBT rights groups hope that the state would enact anti-discrimination provisions protecting gay and trans people in Indiana at the state level. The fix includes none of these protections. What that means is that LGBT people who live in cities like Indianapolis will regain the rights they already enjoyed before the state RFRA law took effect, but LGBT people who were unprotected before this law will remain unprotected.
annabanana
(52,791 posts)As usual, they are trying to do the absolute LEAST they think they can get away with...
riversedge
(70,087 posts)el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Unless he's planning on low voter turnout and suppression of Democratic Voters I guess.
Bryant
Daemonaquila
(1,712 posts)There's a lot of misunderstanding out there, and this is a great summary of what is or is not "fixed."
bullwinkle428
(20,628 posts)but give right wingers a new set of talking points to say what an amazing law it is NOW.
I'm awaiting corporate reaction to the new revisions.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)As for the rest; it's not much more than a whitewash.
Bryant
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)according to the beliefs and traditions of the religion.
A Catholic priest cannot be required to marry a couple if that marriage violates the Catholic religion. That is freedom of religion.
But I have never been able to figure out how a commercial transaction that involves serving pizza at a gay wedding would violate someone's religion. I can understand that a religion might teach that marrying a person of one's own sex is against the religion, but how can that religion teach that serving pizza to someone who is married to someone of his/her own sex violate the pizza-server's religion?
This is particularly true for Christians. The Jews and the Samaritans were of different religions. The significance in the story of the Good Samaritan is that Jesus helped, saved the life perhaps, of a person who was not Jewish. In fact the Jewish people considered the Samaritans to be beneath the Jews. The Samaritans were sort of outcasts from the Jewish religion in that they believed in some of the texts of the Jewish religion but not others.
How can a person claim to be Christian and refuse to help or serve people just because the people have different beliefs or conduct than the person claiming to be Christian?
What next? Will restaurants refuse to serve people because they pray the rosary before meals? or because they wear the star of David instead of a cross?
How far does the discrimination against others based on the religion of the other go?
Seems like a bad business decision on the part of the Christian fanatics if nothing else.
If I had friends who were LGBT and I lived in Indiana, I think I would call all the local restaurants and check to see whether they serve LGBT customers before making reservations for dinner with my friends. If they said that they didn't, then I would let them know why I couldn't eat in their restaurant. Same for bakeries, etc.
Talk about Shariah law. This anti-LGBT discrimination is a form of fundamentalist Christian Shariah law. How unAmerican can you get?
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)Gothmog
(144,928 posts)I will read later
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)sinkingfeeling
(51,438 posts)the right of cities and localities to pass anti-discrimination laws.
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)This fix eliminates that provision thus allowing cities to enact such protections.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)have a clue how if they did.
And I want to point out that the only reason they are even pretending to try to fix is because of the financial pressure.
F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)But a good lesson for us. We, the consumers and the producers, have the power. Not the employers. They have their power because we give it to them. The sooner we realize this, the better.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)D_Master81
(1,822 posts)I don't get how if the LGBT community needed to be added to the bill now, it couldn't have been done a week ago? I know why, the pressure, but its funny to see the Repubs in this state backpeddle and try to act like they're doing the right thing
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)wanna give them an odd look? next time when you say your boycotting them if they ask why .. say Hobby Lobby Forces abortions on women. that'll give them an odd look..
Zorra
(27,670 posts)with.
This would permit everyone who belongs to this religion the legal right discriminate against any republican any time they wish.
Republicans Will Not Served Here.
Since the overwhelming majority of christofascists are republicans, they would get a taste of their own medicine, and reconsider their hate law.
-none
(1,884 posts)discriminatory. That is one reason why there are so many different religions, sects, etc.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Don't let up the pressure.