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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRomney is the most despicable, scariest repuke presidential nominee in my lifetime- or yours
He's creepier than Nixon. Smarmier than Reagan. More wooden then Dole. (hell, he makes Dole look like a towering statesman). He's less compassionate than bushyboy.
He reminds me of a 1950s black and white horror movie- Invasion of the Body Snatchers.
He's nothing but a sack of naked ambition and big bucks.
FSogol
(45,446 posts)Think about that.
LiberalLoner
(9,761 posts)literally hangs in the balance. That's why I'm saying, "let's all get along, let's GOTV, we have to win..."
dkf
(37,305 posts)And he was worse than I thought. Amazing.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,392 posts)for the first few months I felt that Bush was definitely headed in that direction. For a long time after 9/11, however, it became practically treasonous to speak ill of him, the 2002 midterm elections went very badly for us and 2004 looked pretty hopeless as well. I thought that maybe at some point Bush/GOP would even declare a national emergency/martial law or even declare himself to be "President-for-life" and just about everybody would roll over.
ailsagirl
(22,885 posts)I remember thinking maybe he won't be so bad--but the thought was delusional and hollow. He and his cronies were hell-bent on destroying our country. It was sickening to watch.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,392 posts)ailsagirl
(22,885 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)than I ever thought he could be, and concluded that he was a mean, vindictive little man who was also a willing puppet for even more powerful evil people. I think Romney would be the same.
dkf
(37,305 posts)On the other hand he seems squishy enough to be talked into doing so.
I hope I do not find out.
newspeak
(4,847 posts)but little boots and company really screwed most of the people in this country. I might add, with the help of a very complicit media. It's little boots who said that his daddy would have won if he only started another war. This guy cared nothing for the people he put in harm's way or those who were killed. To me, he's a narcissistic, spoiled, compassionless bully. Everything was about him and how he could enrich friends and family (at our expense).
EC
(12,287 posts)Leaves a whole big cavity to fill with evil.
He scares me for just that reason. Something about him is just ... off.
TheKentuckian
(25,020 posts)This a guy who is like 65 as well, to still be a shameless puppet at that point in life means one better quickly get a handle on what the puppeteer is up to.
"Oh, he is just an empty suit corporate puppet" is a dangerous dismissal when if those pulling the strings had a puncher's chance that horror would be under responding to the gravity of the situation. Much worse when there is a syndicate of wicked fucks directing their thing, their automaton. Little more than a package to cover for the the actual centers of power to scrap by an election by hook or crook.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)No wonder Charlie Pierce calls him "Romneybot 2.0."
Reminds me of this exchange from M*A*S*H:
Frank Burns: How do I look, Colonel Potter?
Col. Potter: <pauses> Almost lifelike.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)But he's bad enough.
cali
(114,904 posts)scarier and creepier than either pa or sonny bush.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Brother Jeb, whose waiting in the wings, is creepier IMHO. But it is just my opinion.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Romney is just as sinister and hawkish as both Bushes. If he's elected president, he'll have no qualms sending men over to Iran to die. In the end, he very well could have just as much blood on his hands as Bush. The difference? One was president, the other won't be. So, there's that...
Cleita
(75,480 posts)But I'm pretty confident he will never be President unless there is such an illegal grab of power it will be worse than the Supreme Court appointing George W. Bush to the presidency. If that happens I think that the SCOTUS will again be a major player.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)PatSeg
(47,260 posts)No one really knows what he will do. I don't think even Mitt knows what he'll do. Until this past year, I just thought he was kind of blah, but the more I see him, the more despicable he becomes.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)Newst didn't lie when he called him a liar.
PatSeg
(47,260 posts)He will really say whatever he thinks people want to hear and evidently isn't aware that there is video documentation that doesn't go away.
maryellen99
(3,785 posts)newspeak
(4,847 posts)so, will it really count to mitt?
cali
(114,904 posts)Romney if he's prez will almost certainly do so too.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Did Obama let 3000 people die in the WTC because a warning about it was ignored? I don't think so. Did people drown in Hurricane Katerina because of the incompetence of the administration to rapidly respond to the threat? I don't think so.
BlueMTexpat
(15,365 posts)your feelings about Jeb.
But Daddy Bush had some decent advisors - and heeded them - so things never deteriorated quite to the point they did under Junior, with Cheney, Rove and the Neocon contingent actually running the show.
But Rmoney is more feckless, less intellectually curious (definitely more stupid), and even more God-driven than Bush. One could almost pity (and I say that very guardedly) Bush Junior because of the upbringing he had (Babs is nothing less than a viper) and he was allowed to get away with anything and everything. Yes, he, his Veep, Rove and all those supposedly responsible for national security in his administration should be tried for - and convicted of - war crimes. At the very least.
But if you think Junior was bad, Rmoney and the corporatocracy, including the narrow RW Mormon hierarchy that he represents, will be even worse. They literally are not even on the same planet as those of us who are reality-based. (I also note that I have known and liked many mainstream Mormons. Those I know can think for themselves quite well and will not necessarily be in Rmoney's pocket simply b/c they share his religion. That's almost like expecting those women who supported Hillary in the 2008 primaries automatically to support McCain simply b/c he chose The Unmentionable One as his running mate.)
But of Rmoney's being worse than Junior, I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever.
I think I *MIGHT* just think a little higher of W than I do of Romney. At least with W you KNEW what you were getting, which was a thug. You never know which Romney you are going to get on any given day, and that's very scary, especially in relation to Foreign Affairs.
DocMac
(1,628 posts)cynatnite
(31,011 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)cynatnite
(31,011 posts)Aside from that, he's a poor excuse of a human being.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Give him the power and he'll do just as much damage, both domestically & internationally, as Bush did. Romney has no conscience.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)Not that I want to give him the chance.
No one can predict the future. It's just when I compare anyone to bush, Hitler is about the only one who could surpass him, IMO.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)You knew what he was. With Romney, you don't know WHAT you are getting from one minute to the next, and people like that are inherently dangerous in positions of power. They are the types that will do things that you can't even fathom simply for power, and Romney has proven that he is that kind of person.
He's a sociopath if I've ever seen one.
newspeak
(4,847 posts)that loves dictating and snooping in the daily lives of its' members. I lived in Utah, my boss (mormon) and I would go round and round about corporatization. He was a rabid fan of big business and how business should dictate our lives since they know how to make the moolah. Also, would go on and on about how we should all believe the same, if we had the same belief system, there would be no wars and we'd just all get along.
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)malaise
(268,693 posts)and believes in absolutely nothing except his sense of entitlement. Scary indeed
cali
(114,904 posts)that void is frightening.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Nail on the head right there. The most accurate thing I've ever read about Rmoney.
malaise
(268,693 posts)asshole.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)after launching a war that killed tens of thousands so that he could be re-elected as a "war President". Nor has he stolen an election or addressed the nation with a series of primitive grunts to glorify his administration's torture of individuals who haven't even been found guilty of anything.
But I have to say that Romney is even more disgusting to look at or hear from than the Chimpanzee. Romney's smooth, oily manner and voice make me want to hurl.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)not quite.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)ailsagirl
(22,885 posts)coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)ailsagirl
(22,885 posts)They deserve each other.
ailsagirl
(22,885 posts)Phony and transparent as hell. Falling all over himself trying to kiss-up to ignorant people. Makes me sick!!!
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)could elect somebody like Romney as a Governor.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)Romney lied about what he really stood for. He claimed to be pro gar rights, pro women's rights and pro other liberal causes. The person that ran against him ran an uninspired campaign, similar to the recent campaign of Marth Coakley that resulted in Scott Brown elected. To understand how Romney could get elected in the Bay State, you must understand the Bay State itself. Western Massachusetts is conservative, as is southeastern Massachusetts. The powerbase that elects democratic Senators and the Governor lies in eastern counties like Suffork and central Massachusetts counties like Worcester County and the large and powerful Middlesex County. Middlesex County in particular is critically important because it is massive in population, well educated and leans moderate. If a candidate like Scott Brown or Romney can minimize their deficit in Middlesex County, that candidate wins because counties like Suffork can't overcome the vote from conservative parts of the Bay State. House democrats in the western and southeastern part of the Bay State do well because districting is done in a sane way that cuts in both cities and rural towns, that districting neutralized the angry votes that is typically found in rural towns. To go back to Middlesex County, that county is the statewide vote kingmaker, it's vote in raw numbers overwhelms votes from all other counties. BTW, Elizabeth Warren is doing well because she polls well against Scott Brown in Middlesex County.
Bluerthanblue
(13,669 posts)is anything but benign.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)I don't know. Honestly Romney totally sucks but I'm not sure he's actually "the worst". I suppose that it depends on how it is defined. He's certainly the most 2-faced.
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)were a lot more frightening than Mitt. but he's right up there.
cali
(114,904 posts)buy yeah, had they ever been in power..... yikers.
jaysunb
(11,856 posts)But I get what you mean....
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)In 2000, many of us saw him as a bumbling moron, but didn't discern his masters' true motives. That innocence was long-gone by 2004, and in my opinion, Bush/Cheney 2004 felt very, very dark.
cali
(114,904 posts)CenaW
(38 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)Romney is a mascot, and not a hell of a lot different from Obama, if you look at the broader political spectrum. Yes, the rhetoric is very different, but that's because they've got different groups to pander to before November.
I realize that's a taboo thing to say, especially at election time, but it's true.
cali
(114,904 posts)in just about every way.
That's my opinion. And your OPINION is that he's like Obama. That is an OPINION, dear. OPINION is not TRUTH (which in any case is usually a variant of opinion) It certainly isn't a fact.
Marr
(20,317 posts)All opinions are not equal, however. Some are silly.
If you were an alien, judging the situation from this thread alone, you'd think Romney was some kind of Nazi psychopath. Does that really sound like a reasonable opinion to you?
Look-- I understand that you have to paint your opponent as an insane extremist if you're going to push a "moderate". I get it. But it seems silly to me. In my opinion, Romney is just another used car salesman/mascot for Wall Street. Worse than Obama? Probably-- but not *extremely* different.
Lucky Luciano
(11,248 posts)... if you look at Romney's record in MA hes a center right Republican just like Obama.
Other than their pointless rhetoric which is just hot air from both of them, they are peas in a pod.
Welcome to freedom of choice!
provis99
(13,062 posts)I don't get how he could be worse than Nixon, Reagan, or the Bushes. He's more like a Jerry Ford, if anything.
maybe it's just a psych-up for election time?
janx
(24,128 posts)That may be why you have the impression you do. But fiscally--look out!
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)And he might well hold the most powerful office on earth.
Who says stupid is victimless?
K&R
Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)That's ALL they need. So says Grover.
The Repukes, the best and the brightest.
asjr
(10,479 posts)searching for someone to play Dick Cheney to Mitt. Mitt will not have many cracks at being president. George Bush was the stooge for Cheney so someone will have to fill his shoes. There are many mean Republicans to fill that position. Every time Mitt opens his mouth there will be someone to stick a foot in it.
caseymoz
(5,763 posts)I admit he might be close. Thing is, after we had eight years of Dubya, four of Romney coming so close might finish us off.
Funny how the conservative ideology yields incredibly poor leaders. I wonder why? Maybe selfishness and a lack of real connection to people might yield poor quality leaders.
Bruce Wayne
(692 posts)Dubya came into office determined to start a war. And when one landed in his lap, he decided it wasn't good enough, because apparently even the French approved of it, and so he started a second one, because the optional war had more oil at stake. He used the war as an excuse to curtain the Bill of Rights, starting an anti-democratic, anti-liberty hysteria that continues to this day, and when asked about the guy who attacked us in 2001 said he plain old didn't give a fuck.
In contrast, Romney only wants to loot the place. I'll take a burglar over a psychotic stalker any day of the week. That said, Romney's no better than a burglar asking for the keys to the safe. He's bad, but surely not the worst. For instance, he can read.
cali
(114,904 posts)I suggest you do.
Bruce Wayne
(692 posts)Again, I'd rather have an amoral opportunist than a delusional nincompoop. By any objective measure, Bush is worse than Romney. Romney is bad. Bush was worse.
kayakjohnny
(5,235 posts)He is a fake and a flake.
usrname
(398 posts)for his handlers, because he is, in part, his own handler.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)his fortune by laying off working people, slamming doors shut on US factories, off shoring American jobs overseas and makes his living managing his money on Wall Street, Swiss bank accounts, and in the Cayman Islands all tax invaders paradises.
Oh yeah, I can see where working class people have a lot in common with Mitt Romney.
Bushy Jr. Scared me more.
I guess it's because I'm convinced that the Romney unit cannot win.
I'm waiting until he brings his vision for his presidency. I've heard it's going to be a book called "To Serve Man"..
October
(3,363 posts)newspeak
(4,847 posts)because little boots didn't win-a coup is a coup is a coup. the colored blinders are off, and the man behind the curtain works to keep the status quo for the elite. Apparently, they're not in to throwing anymore bones to the plebes to attempt to keep the quiet.
siligut
(12,272 posts)In a fair election, he hasn't a chance, but the Rmoney people are crooks and liars.
tabatha
(18,795 posts)Empty suit. Chameleon.
guardian
(2,282 posts)That tells me everything I need to know about RoMONEY.
Rittermeister
(170 posts)You'd rather have Gingrich, maybe the most hypocritical man in America? Or Santorum, who's clinically insane? Or Sarah I-can-see-Russia-from-my-back-porch Palin? Romney's a dirtbag, and he's worth forty mil, but the far right is decidedly cool towards him, which would indicate to me that he's probably not quite as mental as they'd like.
cali
(114,904 posts)and never was. Palin was closer but wasn't. And you are sorely misinformed about his worth. He's worth many times a paltry 40 million
Lucky Luciano
(11,248 posts)Bush was waving his dick at Iraq in 2000 which had a lot of credibility given his father's foray over there and oil business past. Romney is just pandering to the wingnuts regarding Iran. I don't think he is stupid enough to invade as he does not have the oil background of bush Cheney.
I got no love for Romney, but I don't see him as insane. Just doesn't know how to relate well with ordinary people. Aspergers people can't relate well either.
Of course, I am 100% Obama.
Hugabear
(10,340 posts)You don't want to get either on you
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)from a smoky bar at 2:00 am for demanding to finish the drink he had 30 minutes warning to pound and didn't. Who the hell wants a president like that?
Demonaut
(8,914 posts)and well said!
ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)Bush was. Period.
Romney isn't even scary. Where I live, deep-red cow country, I know die-hard Republicans who won't vote for him.
That isn't scary. It's pathetic.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
cali
(114,904 posts)He's driven only by his conviction that he's destined to be the most powerful man in the world. He lies unblinkingly with far greater facility than bush. He's the ultimate hollow man.
October
(3,363 posts)Make no mistake -- the GOP walks in lock-step and will vote for their nominee before they allow Obama an EASY second term win.
Faygo Kid
(21,477 posts)Of just how destructive a president he would be. But Mitt has absolutely zero core - he's capable of anything. Bloodless. Scary.
bluesbassman
(19,360 posts)Neither would've ever had two nickels to rub together if it wasn't for the influence of their fathers.
I will never believe that the shrub ever made one decision on his own during the black years he resided in the White house and I also believe that the same would be true for Mittens if by some illegal vote manipulation he is installed as president.
No, it's the powers behind both of these sorry men that concerns me.
Can I Come Home
(32 posts)Just waiting to have his mind made up for him by the plutocrats and neocons.
October
(3,363 posts)ThoughtCriminal
(14,046 posts)more boring.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)but also because of his millionaire backers who intend to shape politics for their interests only, rather than for the common good. They could care less if the rest of the nation continues to go six feet under, as long as they're still getting their "gouda".
As far as him being the most despicable and scariest GOP nominee, I'm not sure about that. I wasn't born yet during the Reagan era, and I wasn't old enough to get involved in politics during Bush 43. But I did learn that Reagan was one of the main Republicans who helped propel the "liberal media" myth and began the trickle-down system that has kept the poor poorer, and Bush 43 got us into a couple of wars, trashed our reputation worldwide, and escalated our debt. Judging from all of this, I would say it's a 3-way tie between those guys.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)He's an empty suit, bereft of any big ideas other than the love of money and self-aggrandizement. Amoral to be sure, but nothing compared to some other monsters who have run under the repub banner.
Initech
(100,036 posts)In other words - he's perfect for the GOP.
ailsagirl
(22,885 posts)Dudya scared the living daylights out of me. (Some) people liked him (no one here!) because he seemed so down to earth (despite his monied upbringing) but with dudya there was cheney, delay, rove, et al, who were cold, sadistic, and so corrupt--I mean, they stole the 2000 & 2004 elections! How frightening was that?
Yes, Nitt is scary, but I'll never forget those 8 truly frightening years while we watched the neocons trash our country. What a nightmare
Mutiny In Heaven
(550 posts)Because if he wins, he'll do the precise bidding the 2013 GOP houses. Ryan, Cantor et al with three tiers of dominance. His lack of principle twinned with his policy overlords makes him scarier than the comparatively liberal Bush.
Raine
(30,540 posts)opihimoimoi
(52,426 posts)ailsagirl
(22,885 posts)A million pukes!
mwb970
(11,346 posts)He is beneath contempt.
polly7
(20,582 posts)It nearly makes me sick to imagine he and Harper together making policy on anything (yes .. we f'ed up). Two complete tools willing to sell off anything and anyone to the highest bidder.
Please .... please don't elect this man.
eek MD
(391 posts)He is an empty shell that can be molded in any way the "handlers" want him to be molded. The 1% see this, and that is why he is "their guy".
I don't know if that necessarily makes HIM scary, but what it definitely does is it makes the SITUATION with him in office very very scary indeed.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)is that he is able to lie straight-faced and seemingly without a second thought, and he never has to answer for his prevarications.
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)On that plain, Romney will get destroyed. Obama's campaign won't get out gunned and won't blow up with Romney sends out a lie to voters. The Obama's campaign seems to be bent on hitting back with the true and hitting back hard. The best thing that the Obama campaign can do in every case where Romney lies is repeat the lie and deconstruct the lie word by word. The Obama campaign must avoid using fancy words and not using the term "lie" to describe what Romney says. The Obama campaign must use plain, down to earth language that voters understand.
Zax2me
(2,515 posts)NOTHING.
Plus, Romney will never be President.
Well, he won't be this next term, at least.
Auggie
(31,133 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)hfojvt
(37,573 posts)we never use hate or fear, and we never stoop to name calling.
We just have logic and the facts, and some people can't handle that, so they cling to their hateful myths.
cali
(114,904 posts)He is Nixon without the awesome, class-bred insecurities. Nixon knew when he was being vicious. He gloried in it. The White House tapes drip with his self-indulgent tough-guy crap through which you can see the quivering little grocer's son. That insecurity may be the only thing that saved the Republic. Willard Romney never has known that insecurity for a day in his life. He is casually vicious and he doesn't even recognize that he is.
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