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(81,847 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,888 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,888 posts)By General Twiggs, he said, Sir, if we had munitions, you would not be here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Mar%C3%ADa_de_Anaya
leveymg
(36,418 posts)But, many Irish Republicans and German socialists also fought in the Union Army in the War Against Slavery, and that was also a good fight. So, it goes both ways.
So it was in 1847 and in 1936, and in Soweto and Londonderry in the '70s and '80s in Nicaragua and El Salvador. Which side are you on, friends, which side are you on?
We can choose which heritage we want to bring forward and fight for, again. There's always a choice.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,298 posts)Thanks for the thread, Xipe.
Xipe Totec
(43,888 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,298 posts)I will be a winer.
Xipe Totec
(43,888 posts)I'm still four hours away as of this moment. So, geographically, you're much further east than I am....
baldguy
(36,649 posts)May the 4th be with you.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)But I'd better, grew up in Mexico.
It was a somewhat big deal down there, ah may, first May Day, then the Battle of Puebla, and finally mother's day...
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)lastlib
(23,163 posts)...the loss of the mayonnaise cargo aboard the Titanic--Sinko de Mayo...
Xipe Totec
(43,888 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)I thought it was kind of like the wreck of the Edmond Fitzgerald ... but in Mexico.
Is that not it??
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Consumación de la Independencia, OTOH..
Edit..Some of the Mexican immigrants who I work with say it is a US holiday..some say it is a gringo holiday..
Xipe Totec
(43,888 posts)pipoman
(16,038 posts)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinco_de_Mayo
Xipe Totec
(43,888 posts)In north east Mexico, far, far away from Puebla....
And the history books I read in elementary, middle school, and high school in México...
pipoman
(16,038 posts)from 3 different states who say they never celebrated it in their villages..
Xipe Totec
(43,888 posts)What's your point?
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Do I need to post more cites that prove my point that the 'holiday' is celebrated more widely in the US than in Mexico? That not every region of Mexico celebrates it? That is what my post, which you seem to have disagreed with, stated..
Xipe Totec
(43,888 posts)And I know far more about the event ,the history, and how it is remembered and recognized in Mexico than you will ever know.
It is sad that you think that you can dismiss the significance of the event by simply pointing to Wiki or mentioning that you can find six people who've never heard of Cinco de Mayo.
Do you realize that Mexico City alone holds 21.2 million people? Do you realize that Beijing, China, has only 20.2 million people? Did you even know that Mexico City is one of the largest cities in the world?
And based on, what? six people, and a Wiki page you are willing to claim that this celebration is insignificant? To Mexicans? Seriously?
pipoman
(16,038 posts)Who said "this celebration is insignificant"?
Who said anything about the size of Mexico City?
Cinco de Mayo in Mexico
Within Mexico, Cinco de Mayo is primarily observed in the state of Puebla, where Zaragozas unlikely triumph occurred, although other parts of the country also take part in the celebration.
http://www.history.com/topics/cinco-de-mayo
It is primarily a regional holiday celebrated in the Mexican state capital city of Puebla and throughout the state of Puebla, with some limited recognition in other parts of Mexico,..
http://www.mexonline.com/cinco-de-mayo.htm
Cinco de Mayo is not celebrated in México to the same extent that it is by Chicanos in the U. S.
http://www.mexica.net/literat/Cinco.php
Thanks, I'll go with the opinions of people who too have lived in Mexico most of their lives and the literal volumes of literature which say exactly the same thing I did..
Xipe Totec
(43,888 posts)Last edited Sat May 5, 2012, 11:19 PM - Edit history (1)
Que Dios cuide de ti, hermano.
Ya que te sientes experto en la materia y cultura Mexicana, creo que no es necesario hablarte en Inglés. Así pues, buena suerte.
Una cosa es encontrar páginas en el Internet hablando de la historia, y otra cosa es vivirla. Y yo, solo puedo hablarte de mi propia experiencia, muy lejos de Puebla pero todavía dentro del territorio nacional.
Para mi, para mis maestros, y para mis compañeros este fue un evento muy significativo, y más aún importante en la historia de nuestro país. Tanto así que era materia indispensable para pasar cursos de historia de México, y poder ingresar a universidad.
Que bueno que hayas encontrado artículos en el Internet que disputen la validez de este evento en la historia Mexicana. Quizá puedan usar tus artículos todos esos reprobados que no pudieron ingresar a la universidad por falta de conocimientos. De ser así, quizá te lo agradezcan algún día.
Ya sabes lo que te deseo
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May God look after you, brother.
Since you're skilled in the art and Mexican culture, I do not need to speak English to you. So, good luck.
One thing is to find pages on the Internet talking about the story, and another to live it. And I, I can only speak from my own experience, far from Puebla but still within the national territory.
For me, for my teachers and my classmates this was a significant event, and even more significant in the history of our country. So much so that the material was essential to pass courses in the history of Mexico, and to enter college.
Glad you've found articles on the Internet that dispute the validity of this event in Mexican history. Perhaps they can use your articles, all those reprobates who could not get into college due to lack of knowledge. If so, they might thank you someday.
You already know what I wish for you ....
pipoman
(16,038 posts)What a filthy thing to say about your deprived countrymen. Poverty does not equal "reprobates".
Are you really denying my post that "much of Mexico doesn't celebrate Cinco de Mayo"? Are you really denying nearly every description of Cinco de Mayo found from Wiki to University web sites?
And nobody said it wasn't/isn't a significant historical event in Mexico or to Mexicans. You have taken a very simple, truthful post and attributed all kinds of falsehoods to it shamelessly. Either this was intentional, or your massive educational superiority is truly worthless as you don't have reading comprehension skills.
How about you post something, anything, from some source which describes Cinco de Mayo as a holiday celebrated throughout the country of Mexico, by the overwhelming majority of Mexicans? Or are your 'truths' posted in the OP A-OK, but other truths better left unsaid and further denied? I would think someone like you who claims to be a scholarly historian wouldn't want to participate in revisionism..
Have a good day.
Xipe Totec
(43,888 posts)This must be your only link to humanity....
http://xkcd.com/386/
pipoman
(16,038 posts)living in a fantasy world..enjoy your fictitious truth, eh?
EFerrari
(163,986 posts)Maybe one of your friends with all those literal volumes of literature can find one that explains grace to you.
Have a nice weekend.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)that Cinco de Mayo is the most celebrated holiday in Mexico, which couldn't be farther from the truth than "St. Patricks day in Mexico" in the OP. There was no disrespect in my post. I'll probably have a few beers and some Mexican food too...love the holiday, love the people..in fact some of the very, very few people I trust implicitly..with anything I own, are 1st generation immigrants. They celebrate Cinco de Mayo and say these things as their truths...they grew up in Mexico. They immigrated legally. We all speak spanglish in the work place. We have more fun than I ever thought possible while launching the business into the most successful period in it's history. We are family.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)Does he roll a good doobie?
pipoman
(16,038 posts)FreeState
(10,570 posts)(most are from Tijuana and Mexico City). People there know about it, but it's not really celebrated by most, and most deffinately not like in the US.
http://www.history.com/topics/cinco-de-mayo
Within Mexico, Cinco de Mayo is primarily observed in the state of Puebla, where Zaragozas unlikely triumph occurred, although other parts of the country also take part in the celebration. Traditions include military parades, recreations of the Battle of Puebla and other festive events. For many Mexicans, however, May 5 is a day like any other: It is not a federal holiday, so offices, banks and stores remain open.
Cinco de Mayo in the United States
In the United States, Cinco de Mayo is widely interpreted as a celebration of Mexican culture and heritage, particularly in areas with substantial Mexican-American populations. Chicano activists raised awareness of the holiday in the 1960s, in part because they identified with the victory of indigenous Mexicans over European invaders during the Battle of Puebla. Today, revelers mark the occasion with parades, parties, mariachi music, Mexican folk dancing and traditional foods such as tacos and mole poblano. Some of the largest festivals are held in Los Angeles, Chicago and Houston.
Confusion with Mexican Independence Day
Many people outside Mexico mistakenly believe that Cinco de Mayo is a celebration of Mexican independence, which was declared more than 50 years before the Battle of Puebla. That event is commemorated on September 16, the anniversary of the revolutionary priest Miguel Hidalgo y Costillas famous Grito de Dolores (Cry of Dolores), a call to arms that amounted to a declaration of war against the Spanish colonial government in 1810.
http://www.mexonline.com/cinco-de-mayo.htm
Celebrating Cinco de Mayo has become increasingly popular along the U.S.-Mexico border and in parts of the U.S. that have a high population of people with a Mexican heritage. In these areas the holiday is a celebration of Mexican culture, of food, music, beverage and customs unique to Mexico.
Commercial interests in the United States and Mexico have also had a hand in promoting the holiday, with products and services focused on Mexican food, beverages and festivities, with music playing a more visible role as well. Several cities throughout the U.S. hold parades and concerts during the week following up to May 5th, so that Cinco de Mayo has become a bigger holiday north of the border than it is to the south, and being adopted into the holiday calendar of more and more people every year.
pipoman
(16,038 posts)talk about opening Pandora's Box...I was surprised that people here who claim to be from Mexico disputed these facts..thought it was universally known in Mexico that not everyone there celebrated Cinco de Mayo..Here in the US however most people think it is the most celebrated holiday in Mexico..
cynatnite
(31,011 posts)Throckmorton
(3,579 posts)Which this year is the Big 50.
Xipe Totec
(43,888 posts)How misguided of me...
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)Throckmorton
(3,579 posts)It was Peaceful.
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)I'm always glad when its over.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,888 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)Initech
(100,041 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)Happy Cinco de Mayo!
Egalitariat
(1,631 posts)I wonder what the Girl Scouts call theirs?
EFerrari
(163,986 posts)Well, losing is not easy.
a la izquierda
(11,791 posts)every semester, ALL of my students learn about 5o. de mayo.
This year, it was totally irrelevant to all of my classes, but dammit, my students learned what it was.
Xipe Totec
(43,888 posts)To remember who we ate alive on that day...
blueamy66
(6,795 posts)Big day here in Arizona....I celebrate my friendships with Latino chicas......good fun!
also known as Cinco de Drinko
a la izquierda
(11,791 posts)When I was in Queretaro about 2 years ago, I got to stand on the platform where Maximiliano was executed. It was pretty rad.
It is a topic very important to me, as it created helped to create the myth, the legend, the maniac Porfirio Diaz. He figures prominently in my work.
EFerrari
(163,986 posts)a la izquierda
(11,791 posts)so I'll have a better idea of publication then.
The book is about indigenous reactions to Diaz's policies. He was a weird, ambiguous guy when it came to Mexican native populations. In some cases, he was highly destructive. In others, not nearly so violent.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and all efforts by the PAN to restore him to greatness are a great MEH.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)a la izquierda
(11,791 posts)Trying to cram 250 years of history of Latin America in 15 weeks makes for the elimination of some things (like WWII).
Thanks for the link, though, that's a neat picture.
kenny blankenship
(15,689 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,888 posts)In anticipation of your hangover and second thoughts, I say what the hell, it was Friday... Who the hell remembers what we did on a Friday night?
guardian
(2,282 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,888 posts)if you think you need an excuse to party and get drunk....
kwassa
(23,340 posts)The only reason to celebrate it.
Xipe Totec
(43,888 posts)And happy birthday, by the way!
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Here on the East Coast it seems to be mostly a promotion for Corona.
I do miss the zillions of mom-and-pop Mexican restaurants in LA. Here we have mainly corporate Mexican establishments.
I do miss the chile verde from Lucy's Drive-In on Pico.
EFerrari
(163,986 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)Daalalou
(54 posts)I moved from East to West and all we have around here are Mexican places. I love Mexican food, but not all the time. On the East Coast we had variety: Mexican, Dominican, Puerto Rican, Colombian, Brazilian, Salvadoran....
kwassa
(23,340 posts)and when I lived in Los Angeles ... which has the largest Salvadoran population in the US, I might point out, and many Salvadoran places.
and great Cuban restaurants, the best I've had, excellent Brazilian food, Jamaican restaurants, many, many Peruvian places..
I don't recall any Dominican or Puerto Rican, but there are none here in the DC area that I know about, either.
Los Angeles also has a better selection of Asian food by far, simply because of immigration patterns, which are a bit different on the two coasts. The first three suburbs east of downtown are dominated by newly-arrived Chinese, for instance. There is Koreatown, Little Tokyo, and the old Chinatown downtown is largely Vietnamese.
There are more African and Indian restaurants here in the DC area. Both cities have good Ethiopian restaurants. LA has very few Greek restaurants, though San Diego has a lot. LA has Armenian restaurants; I don't know any here.
It is simply different blend of immigrants that determines what is available.
blueamy66
(6,795 posts)nt
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)EFerrari
(163,986 posts)in Roman numerals or in Spanish.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Sort of the way we do here on DU.
LoL
phylny
(8,368 posts)EFerrari
(163,986 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)I'll break a piñata in your name! Well, not that the piñata represents you...oh, you know what I mean. LOL!
Our big celebration today isn't my birthday, but our middle daughter graduates from college today
EFerrari
(163,986 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)countryjake
(8,554 posts)And yes, I do know what it celebrates.
Jello Biafra
(439 posts)Most people dont know that back in 1912, Hellmanns mayonnaise was manufactured in England. In fact, the Titanic was carrying 12,000 jars of the condiment scheduled for delivery in Vera Cruz, México, which was to be the next port of call for the great ship after its stop in New York. This would have been the largest single shipment of mayonnaise ever delivered to México. But as we know, the great ship did not make it to New York. The ship hit an iceberg and sank, and the cargo was forever lost.
The people of México, who were crazy about mayonnaise, and were eagerly awaiting its delivery, were disconsolate at the loss. Their anguish was so great, that they declared a National Day of Mourning, which they still observe to this day. The National Day of Mourning occurs each year on May 5th and is known, of course, as Sinko de Mayo.
TheManInTheMac
(985 posts)"fifth of mayonnaise." Putting mayo in a wide mouth jar always seemed much more logical to me than in a 1/5 gallon bottle. However, since it is the most fattening of the condiments, it probably would cut down on it's usage.
krispos42
(49,445 posts)What?
Ter
(4,281 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,888 posts)Otro dia para cantar y bailar con los mariachis!
whistler162
(11,155 posts)Xipe Totec
(43,888 posts)It was he day that, in a miracle, the Mexican Army whipped the French and handed them back their asses as hats in the battle of Puebla on May the fifth.
The idiots tried to pass through the fortresses of Orizaba and Fortín de las Flores, and got caught between the two fortresses. They could not attack either fortress without being exposed to fire from the other. And they could not bring cannon close enough to fire on either fortress, because the terrain blocked their view when they were within range.
It was the stupidest move by an invading army in the entire history of México.
BlueIris
(29,135 posts)but I also Googled to make sure.
Does that count as not being totally ignorant of Mexico's history?