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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,922 posts)
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 12:17 PM Apr 2015

F-35 fighter pilots to wear $400,000 helmets

Whoopee!!! Aren't government contracts sweet? Just hope we don't get another John McCain that crashes a few of these.

WASHINGTON — The F-35 Lightning II is one of the most complicated weapons systems ever developed, a sleek and stealthy fighter jet years in the making that is often called a flying computer because of its more than 8 million lines of code.

The Joint Strike Fighter comes in three versions, including one that is designed to take off and land on an aircraft carrier and another that lands vertically, as if it were a helicopter.

But to truly understand the most expensive weapons program in the history of the Pentagon, forget the plane for a minute. Consider the helmet.

It’s designed to protect the pilot’s head, of course. But compared to everything the helmet does, protection becomes something of an afterthought.

The helmet sees through the plane. Or rather it helps the pilot see through the plane. When the pilots look down, they don’t see the floor of the plane; they see the world below them. If the pilots look back, they see the sky behind them. Embedded in the skin of the aircraft are six cameras, and when the pilots move their heads to look in a particular direction, they are actually seeing through the corresponding camera, which sends an image to projectors inside the helmet that beam an image of the outside world on the helmet’s visor.

Which makes the visor not really a visor. It’s a screen that posts information the way some cars are now posting fuel and gas mileage on the windshield in what’s called a heads-up display. But beyond speed and altitude, F-35 pilots would see things such as the location of enemy aircraft or weapons on the ground.


http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20150405/NEWS02/150409508

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F-35 fighter pilots to wear $400,000 helmets (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2015 OP
If SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2015 #1
Big if yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #4
We could accomplish that by just not having the pilot or the plane in the first place. Cheese Sandwich Apr 2015 #5
I'm of the opinion that it's ludicrous to suggest SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2015 #8
Don't raid the public treasury to funnel money to the "defense" industry Cheese Sandwich Apr 2015 #13
No one is saying we should eliminate the military... SomethingFishy Apr 2015 #27
Yay! Rich people get richer! And more poor people in the world die! valerief Apr 2015 #19
If the helmet can be made for $40,000 and does the same job Rex Apr 2015 #33
If it can be made for $40,000 SickOfTheOnePct Apr 2015 #35
The only way this would be worth the money is no matter yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #2
yay! can't wait! that's my new gaming computer. In a few years it will make the consumer market for Sunlei Apr 2015 #3
There's always the Oculus Rift. backscatter712 Apr 2015 #7
Or Microsoft Hololens or Magic Leaps. nt Logical Apr 2015 #11
I tried the Rift.. SomethingFishy Apr 2015 #28
From what I've read, the second generation development model of the Oculus Rift has a 1080p display. backscatter712 Apr 2015 #30
I figured they might get it up to 1080p before release.. SomethingFishy Apr 2015 #32
It's not just a helmet anymore, it's part of the electronics FLPanhandle Apr 2015 #6
Damn, I was going to mention Formula One, too Brother Buzz Apr 2015 #15
What do they put in those helmets? backscatter712 Apr 2015 #31
I hope that we start lots and lots of wars to justify this investment. Orrex Apr 2015 #9
My favorite pic of the F-35 TexasProgresive Apr 2015 #10
I believe that one's the Congressional Defense Committee Member..... DeSwiss Apr 2015 #21
+1 Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2015 #24
The Little Fighter That Could DeSwiss Apr 2015 #12
Unfortunately, if you see the enemy, it's too late. rickford66 Apr 2015 #14
Wasn't the Roman Legion the most modern equipped army in Europe when the empire fell? MrScorpio Apr 2015 #16
Well, yes but it was no longer an effective fighting force and in decline. DeSwiss Apr 2015 #34
The Cash Cow says: Moooooorrre! JHB Apr 2015 #17
Hey republicans! This is excessive government spending! Initech Apr 2015 #18
For that money they should be made of solid gold, but Vinca Apr 2015 #20
The shells will be crafted in a US federal prison jmowreader Apr 2015 #22
Will later improvements include a hair dryer and massager? To protect America from...something? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #23
40 years ago the first 53 weeks of pilot training cost $1M -just to get their wings DrDan Apr 2015 #25
The age of dogfights has been over for a long time and pilotless aircraft are coming soon. pa28 Apr 2015 #26
A $400K helmet to fly a plane that doesn't fly. hobbit709 Apr 2015 #29
Cut the military budget by 1/3 and get rid of this crap. alarimer Apr 2015 #36
Google Glass on MIC Wall Street steroids? L0oniX Apr 2015 #37
End SS SSDI Medicaid Medicare and SNAP ...so we can pay for and have more war toys. L0oniX Apr 2015 #38
...and it goes ZOOOOOOMMMMM! Bigmack Apr 2015 #39
The world's most expensive turkey... hunter Apr 2015 #40
 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
5. We could accomplish that by just not having the pilot or the plane in the first place.
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 12:29 PM
Apr 2015

We could give them a job planting trees or something instead.

Then they wouldn't need a $400,000 helmet.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
13. Don't raid the public treasury to funnel money to the "defense" industry
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 12:43 PM
Apr 2015

That kind of expense has to be justified.

These F-35's aren't particularly defending America.

I'm walking around America every day and never once has an F-35 swooped in to defend me from anything.

That's not saying eliminate the military altogether. Not sure where you got that from. Certainly not from anything I said.

But yes do think about where this money is going and who benefits from it. And whether it is really making us any safer. What threat is it protecting us from? Would it be smarter to use that money for something else like repairing bridges, funding schools, or planting trees?

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
27. No one is saying we should eliminate the military...
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 04:50 PM
Apr 2015

However when your military budget is more than the next 26 countries combined and every one of those next 26 countries is considered an ally, then something is seriously wrong. Our military is a bloated mess, we spend billions every year on weapons that don't work or don't get into production. For a country with a collapsing infrastructure, it's pretty stupid.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
33. If the helmet can be made for $40,000 and does the same job
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 11:19 PM
Apr 2015

then that is artificially inflating the price just for pure profit. Don't you find that wrong and that is the argument here.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
35. If it can be made for $40,000
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 05:19 AM
Apr 2015

then I would agree with you, but I haven't seen it stated anywhere that it can be made for $40,000.

Why do you believe it could be?

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
2. The only way this would be worth the money is no matter
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 12:22 PM
Apr 2015

How they crash, the pilot will always walk away every time and since I didn't see that in the article or even talk safety of pilots, it is a waste of money....of course not surprising.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
3. yay! can't wait! that's my new gaming computer. In a few years it will make the consumer market for
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 12:23 PM
Apr 2015

a couple thousand.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
28. I tried the Rift..
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 04:58 PM
Apr 2015

A friend has a developers kit...

It's pretty freakin cool. However, the eye ware is bulky and annoying.. People complain about 3D glasses, these things are like wearing a weight on your face...

Google has a really cheap goofy VR solution called Google Cardboard... You can get them as cheap as 5 bucks, they attach to your cell phone and use it as a screen. It has an advantage over Occulus as most phones can do 1080p and the Occulus is still low res... It does head tracking, and companies are making Bluetooth controllers so you can use it for gaming. I tried it on Google Earth and it's pretty fun to fly around looking at famous sites..

It's uses are minimal but if someone wants a quick glimpse into the future it is impressive and it's cheap...

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
30. From what I've read, the second generation development model of the Oculus Rift has a 1080p display.
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 09:57 PM
Apr 2015

The first one had a lower resolution display, but the second developer model has a 1080p display, and more compact electronics (the first one had a controller box along with the goggles, the second one doesn't need the box.)

I haven't seen the other alternatives like Microsoft's Hololens. Looks really cool though.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
32. I figured they might get it up to 1080p before release..
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 10:05 PM
Apr 2015

And yeah the one I tried was obviously the old one as it had "the box". Hopefully they got a little weight off the glasses as well.

If you really have an itch to see some VR try the Google Cardboard. I know when you look at it it looks stupid but it really works. And you can buy a little better unit if you are willing to spend a little more (10-20 bucks). After I wrote the post I went looking around and they are now making head mounted units with much better lensing and controllers, and I was actually seeing some games and 3D movies available. Apparently there is also a VR of a live Paul McCartney show where you can walk around the stage while they play Live and Let Die. I may get another pair of Cardboard(1st one wore out.. LOL) just to see this..

Damn... I'm such a geek.

FLPanhandle

(7,107 posts)
6. It's not just a helmet anymore, it's part of the electronics
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 12:29 PM
Apr 2015

Formula One race car driver helmets are upward to $20,000 now and an F-35 is a lot more complex.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
31. What do they put in those helmets?
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 09:59 PM
Apr 2015

I googled around, and saw that one or two manufacturers were putting little heads-up displays in them, though that wasn't universal.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
21. I believe that one's the Congressional Defense Committee Member.....
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 02:34 PM
Apr 2015

...Conventional Takeoff and District-CashDrop version. It can hit a committee member's campaign account within five hundred miles.

- They don't fly very well, nor for very long. But they're excellent at hitting campaign funding quotas......

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
12. The Little Fighter That Could
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 12:42 PM
Apr 2015

I think I can, I think I can, I KNOW I can!!!

- Get another appropriations increase, of course.

What'd you think I meant?, fly? Hahahahahaha!!!


F-35 Costs $182 Million to $299 Million Per Plane


K&R

rickford66

(5,523 posts)
14. Unfortunately, if you see the enemy, it's too late.
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 12:47 PM
Apr 2015

Whoever detects their opponent first gets the kill. Drones make more sense, but make war insanely horrible. I like the old way, where Kings actually led their troops into battle.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
34. Well, yes but it was no longer an effective fighting force and in decline.
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 01:25 AM
Apr 2015
- Just like ours is now. I mean, when was the last time we actually fought a war. Against an army? WWII. Now, we only fight against people who can barely fight back. And usually with our own guns that they've captured from some puppet regime we've setup previously. And who fled at the first shot in anger.

A decline of two elements of the Western Roman Empire, the Roman army and Roman society, weakened the Empire to the point where external attacks, which had previously been repelled, successfully overran the Empire. The Roman army and society declined in the time from 180 AD to the overthrow of Augustus in 476 AD. Problems within the army and society invited attacks from outside that would eventually destroy the Western Roman Empire.

The doors were open to barbarian invasions from the Huns and Germanic groups such as the Vandals, Lombards, Alamanni, Goths, Franks, and Burgundians to attack the Western Roman Empire. These groups brought the final blow, overrunning the Empire's towns and cities, meeting little resistance from the Roman army.

Eventually, barbarians dethroned the last Roman Emperor, when Germanic mercenaries led by Odovacar overthrew Romulus Augustus on September 4, 476. This event is commonly called the end of the Western Roman Empire. Despite the eventual failure of the Roman army to protect against such invasions, the army had been an effective military force in earlier times. More

JHB

(37,158 posts)
17. The Cash Cow says: Moooooorrre!
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 01:23 PM
Apr 2015

I don't actually have a beef with the helmet: it sounds like the most sensible thing I've heard so far about the F-35. It's the effort to have one gawdaffuly expensive plan that does everything half(or more)-assed than several that excel.

Vinca

(50,261 posts)
20. For that money they should be made of solid gold, but
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 02:04 PM
Apr 2015

I wouldn't be surprised to learn they're crafted in China for $20.

jmowreader

(50,554 posts)
22. The shells will be crafted in a US federal prison
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 02:37 PM
Apr 2015

Google Unicor. It's a decent program.

Naturally, what will happen is the $200 helmet shell Bernie Madoff made will go to Lockheed to have $399,800 worth of electronics installed in it.

The "my next gaming computer" comment upthread was funny because it's true. If you were to make a batch of five million of these and sell them worldwide, they would be $200 and gamers would line up to get them. But there will only be 3500 of these lids made and they have to amortize R&D somehow.

Of course, if they would have made a plane you could fucking SEE OUT OF instead of this atrocity, its pilots could wear the SPH-4 the military has used since fiberglass was invented.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
25. 40 years ago the first 53 weeks of pilot training cost $1M -just to get their wings
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 02:58 PM
Apr 2015

Then advanced training ...

That number does not upset me -it's insurance on our investment

pa28

(6,145 posts)
26. The age of dogfights has been over for a long time and pilotless aircraft are coming soon.
Sun Apr 5, 2015, 03:08 PM
Apr 2015

The F-35 is trillion dollar weapons system for it's own sake. What a waste.

alarimer

(16,245 posts)
36. Cut the military budget by 1/3 and get rid of this crap.
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 08:37 AM
Apr 2015

I'm serious. It is time to eliminate wasteful boondoggles like this. Cut this and other programs that do not work (like the Navy littoral vessel that does not work either). Cut the size of the military personnel by 1/3 as well and put them to work fixing infrastructure.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
38. End SS SSDI Medicaid Medicare and SNAP ...so we can pay for and have more war toys.
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 09:58 AM
Apr 2015

That is the course we are on. Can we all live on the Death Star?

 

Bigmack

(8,020 posts)
39. ...and it goes ZOOOOOOMMMMM!
Mon Apr 6, 2015, 10:08 AM
Apr 2015

The article leaves out that most important thing.

We mustn't forget that "getting a chubby" factor.

Never mind that there is no current mission for that plane.
Never mind that it doesn't work as advertised.
Never mind that drones are the future.
Never mind that we take food out of the mouths of our own people to fund this kind of shit.
Never mind that our infrastructure is failing, and the F-35 money would fix it.

That fucking plane really looks cool!

And it goes ZOOOOOOOMMMMMM!

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