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still_one

(92,180 posts)
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 04:59 AM Apr 2015

Wrong About Iraq, Wrong About Iran

The framework agreement that the U.S. and its international partners reached with Iran that blocks Tehran's pathways to building a nuclear bomb is barely a week old, yet the usual suspects have already denounced it as a "bad deal."

Former George W. Bush administration official John Bolton called the agreement "a surrender of classic proportions," and for Bolton, war is the only answer.

"The inconvenient truth is that only military action ... can accomplish what is required," Bolton wrote in The New York Times last month.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu opposes it too. "I think this is a bad deal," he said on Sunday, adding, "I think there is still time to reach a good deal, a better deal."

How do we get a "better deal"? Netanyahu doesn't have an answer.

U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina) also criticized the agreement on Sunday, but he went a bit further than Netanyahu. "I don't want a war, but...," Graham said. But what? The South Carolina Republican said that Iran would have to completely capitulate and agree to dismantle its entire nuclear program and address other issues that weren't part of the nuclear talks or face war.

What do Bolton, Netanyahu, Graham and a whole host of others in Washington opposing this deal have in common? They were passionate supporters of the Iraq war and continue to hold that view today.

Here's what Netanyahu told Congress in September 2002, five months before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq: "If you take out Saddam ... I guarantee you that it will have enormous positive reverberations on the region."

And here's what the Israeli Prime Minister told Congress just last month: "The agreement ... would all but guarantee that Iran gets nuclear weapons."

Graham said in 2003 that Saddam Hussein "is lying ... when he says he doesn't have weapons of mass destruction."

And here's Bolton in late 2002: "The Iraqi people would be unique in history if they didn't welcome the overthrow of this dictatorial regime."

Of course, we all know how this played out: no WMDs, tens of thousands of Americans killed or wounded, countless Iraqi civilians dead, nearly $4 trillion spent, and ISIS on a rampage throughout the Middle East.

Why should we listen to these people again?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-greenwald/wrong-about-iraq-wrong-ab_b_7012240.html


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Wrong About Iraq, Wrong About Iran (Original Post) still_one Apr 2015 OP
Why should we listen to ANY of these people again, indeed? merrily Apr 2015 #1
fake agreement about a fake threat from a fake enemy... KG Apr 2015 #2
ALWAYS wrong about Iraq!! 7962 Apr 2015 #3
They really aren't the problem Cosmocat Apr 2015 #4
Yes, voters bear much of the blame. moondust Apr 2015 #5
yeah Cosmocat Apr 2015 #7
Erect Bogeyman, wave flag, declare we need protection, give more money to the MIC. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #6

merrily

(45,251 posts)
1. Why should we listen to ANY of these people again, indeed?
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 05:32 AM
Apr 2015


Please see also: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6441082

It's okay, though. Pretty soon, her 200+ campaign advisors will figure out a way to rationalize this, as well as a way for a former director of WalMart to talk about income inequality.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
4. They really aren't the problem
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 08:10 AM
Apr 2015

it is the general population that tunes in when the corporate media puts them in front of microphones and cameras to spew their stupidity, is the general population for for electing and re-electing them.

It is the general public for not being raging hot mad over Iraq and demanding accountability for it.

These are mostly the same jackasses who were wrong on things or investigated, indicted or charged during the Reagen administration.

They REPEATEDLY push this shit, are REPEATEDLY wrong, but not only don't face any consequences, they are repeatedly given the platform to spew their shit and the people of this country just go along for the ride.

moondust

(19,975 posts)
5. Yes, voters bear much of the blame.
Tue Apr 7, 2015, 10:37 AM
Apr 2015

Provided one believes that election results are mostly accurate and not rigged. I'm not entirely sure either way, but rigged or not it is alarming to see a political party so aggressively wrong so often gain so much control of a government with so much destructive power. I don't think today's small-minded crazies would hesitate to use nukes if they suddenly decided that would be a good idea.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
7. yeah
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 06:41 AM
Apr 2015

I work our election precinct, with electronically tabulated results, and am fairly certain our votes are properly tabulated.

You cant know for sure, but our auditing before we turn them in never has had anything come up that raises any questions for me.

I have been around long enough now, and active in politics, to sadly come to know that unfortunately, collectively, we just simply are that stupid.

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