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Enrique

(27,461 posts)
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 11:54 AM Apr 2015

"how St. Louis Police robbed my family"

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/04/08/how-st-louis-police-robbed-my-family/

On a late spring evening eight years ago, police pulled over my mother’s 1997 Oldsmobile Aurora, in the suburb of St. Ann, Missouri, as she raced to pick up a relative from St. Louis’s Lambert International Airport. “Do you know why I stopped you?” the officer asked. “No I don’t,” my mother answered. The police charged her with speeding, but she did not receive a mere ticket. Instead, an officer ran my mother’s name and told her that since she had failed to appear in court for driving without a license, there was a six-year-old warrant out for her arrest. “I just started crying. I couldn’t believe it.” The police arrested my mother and hauled her off to St. Louis County Jail, where authorities eventually allowed her one phone call, which she placed to my stepfather. He said, shaking his head, “I was surprised because I knew she didn’t have no warrants.”

St. Ann is one of the more notorious cities in the county when it comes to traffic violations and, in my mother’s case, the city’s finest, quite simply, fucked up. As it was, my mother had no warrant; the police confused her with another woman who shared her name — sans the middle initial.

She would go on to spend two nights in jail, pay $1,000 in fines that she did not owe, and plead guilty to the crimes of the other woman. She paid a devastating price, financially and emotionally, for the racist and classist policing described in last month’s Justice Department report on the tumult in Missouri. The 102-page document details the physical and economic terror inflicted upon the poor and black residents of Ferguson, Missouri. The report echoed the torrent of criticism that residents have long lodged at the city’s overseers. But, as my mother’s experience helps illustrate, the injustices cataloged by the investigation are not confined to one tiny Midwestern suburb. Ferguson is emblematic of how municipalities in the St. Louis region, and across the country, operate as carceral, mob-like states that view and treat poor black people as cash cows.

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"how St. Louis Police robbed my family" (Original Post) Enrique Apr 2015 OP
Please note the St. Ann a Police Sherman A1 Apr 2015 #1
Its confusing to outsiders, considering the sheer number of towns and cities we have in just one... Humanist_Activist Apr 2015 #2
I knew "Lakey" cops. pintobean Apr 2015 #8
Oh, they were nice, I met 3 of them when I lived there Humanist_Activist Apr 2015 #10
Precisely Sherman A1 Apr 2015 #16
Most of the small towns and cities have entire revenue streams that are just from traffic... Humanist_Activist Apr 2015 #3
Which only perpetuates the "Where did you go to school ? " question,,,,,, benld74 Apr 2015 #4
Well, I grew up in St. Charles, so to most people in St. Louis city or county... Humanist_Activist Apr 2015 #11
Yes and now sporting Sherman A1 Apr 2015 #17
I prefer Strange Donuts in Maplewood, the Maple and Bacon are awesome! n/t Humanist_Activist Apr 2015 #25
Haven't tried them Sherman A1 Apr 2015 #26
I'm in Maplewood all the time, its less than 15 minutes away driving, so we go there a lot... Humanist_Activist Apr 2015 #28
I drove by Ted Drewes about 6 pm yesterday pintobean Apr 2015 #29
Ah, to far south for me Sherman A1 Apr 2015 #30
WOW! Rex Apr 2015 #14
We tried to explain it to you pintobean Apr 2015 #22
We? So far you are the only one running around with a certain narrative. Rex Apr 2015 #23
Last I heard, there were 60 separate PDs in the county pintobean Apr 2015 #15
The Reason for Incorporation of Country Life Acres is..... Red State Rebel Apr 2015 #31
On the other hand, you can pretty much go 80 on 40, which is 60. randome Apr 2015 #5
I want no part of the city Daninmo Apr 2015 #6
The St. George cop was a legend in the 80s! randome Apr 2015 #7
Of any cops in the area pintobean Apr 2015 #9
I think it really depends on where in the city you go, I go into the city all the time... Humanist_Activist Apr 2015 #12
Howdy Neighbor Sherman A1 Apr 2015 #18
Yo! randome Apr 2015 #20
kick Liberal_in_LA Apr 2015 #13
Another horrifying story out of St. Louis Pooka Fey Apr 2015 #19
St. Ann pintobean Apr 2015 #21
Seems that area has a really bad racist/corruption problem. I hope the DoJ can help clean it up. Rex Apr 2015 #24
tax cuts for the rich. squreezwe the bottom to pay for civilization. time for guilotines. pansypoo53219 Apr 2015 #27

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
1. Please note the St. Ann a Police
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 12:01 PM
Apr 2015

Are not the St. Louis Police. St. Ann is a municipality within St. Louis County. St. Louis City is a separate county unto itself.

This incident while unacceptable and tragic should focus on those who commuted the injustice.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
2. Its confusing to outsiders, considering the sheer number of towns and cities we have in just one...
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 12:54 PM
Apr 2015

county. Fuck, I lived in Lakeshire, ever heard of it? Its a "city" off of Tesson Ferry, quite literally 3 neighborhoods, its city hall was just another house, which it shared with its municipal court, also police station. But there is one thing they do have, a police force, that spends all day and night pointing radar guns up and down Tesson Ferry. Also had to pay a city tax on utilities. They provided NONE of these utilities.

Hell, now I live in Affton, which isn't even a city, just a census zone in unincorporated St. Louis county, and at least it has its own effing school district.

Doesn't help that people use the names St. Louis and their local city interchangeably when addressing things here, even on the mail.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
8. I knew "Lakey" cops.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 02:38 PM
Apr 2015

They'd stopped me a few times back in the day. They were okay. Nothing like St. George was.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
10. Oh, they were nice, I met 3 of them when I lived there
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 02:58 PM
Apr 2015

I think that was all of them.

Some cities I just avoid if I can't help it, and it has little to do with the neighborhood, but rather the cops.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
16. Precisely
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 04:15 PM
Apr 2015

Grew up in Velda Village. The barber shop eventually became city hall and the court house. The police force (1 car and I think 2 guys) were really just a radar trap on Lucas & Hunt.

Howdy Neighbor!

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
3. Most of the small towns and cities have entire revenue streams that are just from traffic...
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:04 PM
Apr 2015

Last edited Wed Apr 8, 2015, 02:59 PM - Edit history (1)

its reliable for them when their police behave like assholes.

For funsies here's a list of all the cities in St. Louis County alone:

Affton(Not a city, designated census zone)
Allenton
Ballwin
Bella Villa
Bellefontaine Neighbors
Bellerive
Bel-Nor
Bel-Ridge
Berkeley
Beverly Hills
Black Jack
Breckenridge Hills
Brentwood
Bridgeton
Calverton Park
Carsonville
Castle Point
Champ --- A total of 12 people live in this town, fucking ridiculous.
Charlack
Chesterfield
Clarkson Valley
Clayton
Concord
Cool Valley
Country Club Hills
Country Life Acres - 81 here, what is the point of incorporating again?
Crestwood
Creve Coeur
Crystal Lake Park
Dellwood
Des Peres
Edmundson
Ellisville
Eureka
Fenton
Ferguson
Flordell Hills
Florissant
Frontenac
Glasgow
Glencoe
Glendale
Glen Echo Park
Grantwood
Greendale
Green Park
Grover
Hanley Hills
Hazelwood
Hillsdale
Huntleigh
Jennings
Kinloch
Kirkwood
Ladue
Lakeshire
Lemay
Mackenzie
Manchester
Maplewood
Marlborough
Maryland Heights
Mehlville
Moline Acres
Normandy
Northwoods
Norwood Court
Oakland
Oakville
Olivette
Overland
Pagedale
Pasadena Hills
Pasadena Park
Peerless Park
Pine Lawn
Richmond Heights
Riverview
Rock Hill
Sappington
Sherman
Shrewsbury
Spanish Lake
St. Ann
St. George
St. John
Sunset Hills
Sycamore Hills
Times Beach
Town and Country
Twin Oaks
University City
Uplands Park
Valley Park
Velda
Velda Hills
Vinita Park
Vinita Terrace
Warson Woods
Webster Groves
Wellston
Westwood
Wilbur Park
Wildwood
Winchester
Woodson Terrace

Not all of these are cities, or even sport police forces, but it seems a pastime of St. Louis county residents is to create new cities, probably related to our history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Municipalities_of_St._Louis_County,_Missouri

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
11. Well, I grew up in St. Charles, so to most people in St. Louis city or county...
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 03:04 PM
Apr 2015

I either grew up out in the country or the sticks. Never mind its a suburbia that looked not that different from Florissant.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
17. Yes and now sporting
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 04:17 PM
Apr 2015

the expansion of Old Town Donuts! A true Florissant tradition and the best donuts on the planet.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
26. Haven't tried them
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 02:07 PM
Apr 2015

but, i don't get to Maplewood much. Drive past it commuting, but then I drive past Old Town every day doing that as well.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
28. I'm in Maplewood all the time, its less than 15 minutes away driving, so we go there a lot...
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 02:30 PM
Apr 2015

It helps that my fiancee is friends with the lady who owns Traveling Tea. The only problem with Strange Donuts is there strange hours, damn near every time we go there, they are closed, because they do things the old fashioned way, they make the donuts that day and when they sell out, they close the doors. Expect a line when going too.

That reminds me, went to Ted Drewes yesterday, and there was a fucking line, at 2 pm. Not a big one, but that place is never deserted.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
30. Ah, to far south for me
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 04:19 PM
Apr 2015

I stop by Fritz's across from Old a Town by the water tank in Florissant. 👍

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
22. We tried to explain it to you
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 06:40 PM
Apr 2015

during the demonstrations. You chose to believe we were lying.

sub-thread here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025414328#post2
You later told me you never believed us.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
23. We? So far you are the only one running around with a certain narrative.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 06:41 PM
Apr 2015

Last edited Thu Apr 9, 2015, 04:36 PM - Edit history (1)

Nice try at hijacking a thread, but what you desperately want people to believe and what that post is implying has nothing to do with each other.

And of course you know that.

EDIT - nice sneaky edit there PB! Yes anyone can go to that link and see you are lying about what my post in this thread says and what you want people to believe you are guessing what my brain is thinking at the time!

Seriously, how desperate are you to try and pretend you can read my mind in this thread? Shameful, but hey it is YOU so SOP.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
15. Last I heard, there were 60 separate PDs in the county
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 03:31 PM
Apr 2015

That was according to former Chief Fitch, on KMOX a few months ago.

Red State Rebel

(2,903 posts)
31. The Reason for Incorporation of Country Life Acres is.....
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 04:33 PM
Apr 2015

That small subdivision is nothing but huge mansions in a gated area. They wanted everything their own way so they incorporated.

If you recall last year the woman who stabbed her husband to death then this year got off with probation (her attorney literally said that the hubby just fell on her knife) - they lived in Country Life Acres. Lots of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Look up the name Mullinex in the STL Post

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
5. On the other hand, you can pretty much go 80 on 40, which is 60.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:37 PM
Apr 2015

Just kidding. It's long past time to incorporate the counties into the city but I think too many people like their little fiefdoms.

I'm in unincorporated Creve Coeur, btw.
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Daninmo

(119 posts)
6. I want no part of the city
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:54 PM
Apr 2015

I lived just outside of Bella Villa, it is almost as bad as the famous St. George was. I want no part of the city of St.L. Been there, played that game.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
7. The St. George cop was a legend in the 80s!
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 01:58 PM
Apr 2015

He'd pull you over for not using two hands on the wheel! I hear you, though. Once my daughters are away in college, I think I'll simply find someplace else to inhabit for a while. Missouri in general is dull and uneven.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The truth doesn’t always set you free.
Sometimes it builds a bigger cage around the one you’re already in.
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Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
12. I think it really depends on where in the city you go, I go into the city all the time...
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 03:17 PM
Apr 2015

but I also live less than a mile from St. Louis city limits. But its also right outside south city, not north city. I wouldn't be opposed to a merger that made me a resident of the city, where I live now, there are practically no perks, hell, signing up to any of the nearby dog parks is up to 70 bucks, where for a resident of the various cities, its less than half, that's one perk I can think of off the top of my head.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
20. Yo!
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 04:20 PM
Apr 2015


We're just a hop, skip and jump away from one another!
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Rex

(65,616 posts)
24. Seems that area has a really bad racist/corruption problem. I hope the DoJ can help clean it up.
Wed Apr 8, 2015, 06:49 PM
Apr 2015

The area I live in now, use to be that way in the 1980s and 90s. Almost every small down was hostile toward minorities or a speed trap for city hall.

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