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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWish the pro Amendment 1 ads here in NC would be considered hate speech and banned
but of course that will not happen... Still, calling for the discrimination against a specific group of citizens, and denying benefits to families because they are part of this 'group' is most certainly hateful. Franklin Graham is now on a TV ad promoting it. His father, Billy promotes it also.
I'm afraid this may pass with most not having been told the full ramifications of constitutional amendment one.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Carolina_Senate_Bill_514_(2011)
North Carolina Senate Bill 514 (2011) (also called Amendment 1) proposes to amend the North Carolina Constitution to limit the types of domestic unions valid or recognized.[1] Sponsored by Republican Sen. Peter Brunstetter, the bill was passed by the North Carolina General Assembly in September 2011.[2] As a result, citizens of North Carolina will be voting on the amendment on May 8, 2012.[3]
North Carolina is the only US southern state that does not have a constitutional amendment banning same-sex unions.[4] State law, however, already defines marriage as being between men and women.[5]
Bill info
The long title of Senate Bill 514 is: "An Act to Amend the Constitution to Provide That Marriage Between One Man and One Woman is the Only Domestic Legal Union That Shall Be Valid or Recognized in This State."
The bill proposes to add a new section to article XIV, which covers miscellaneous provisions. The sections of the bill are as follows.[1]
[edit] Section 1"Marriage between one man and one woman is the only domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized in this State. This section does not prohibit a private party from entering into contracts with another private party; nor does this section prohibit courts from adjudicating the rights of private parties pursuant to such contracts."
The bill appears to prevent not only same-sex marriages, but civil unions.[8]
[edit] Section 2Specifies that the amendment shall be submitted to voters, and defines the ballot text.
[edit] Section 3Specifies that a simple majority vote is required for approval.
[edit] Sections 4 and 5Specify that the amendment will become effective when it is certified by the Secretary of State.
Supporters of the amendment will try to define it as only a choice on gay marriage while ignoring the harm it could cause to children, to our seniors and to victims of domestic violence.
Amendment One is a poorly written law that will have serious negative, unintended and harmful consequences on North Carolinas children and families. The truth is that Amendment One is bad for North Carolina for the following reasons.
1. Harm To North Carolinas Children
Amendment One will harm children and we have a role in protecting all of North Carolinas children. This amendment could make it impossible for parents in committed, but unmarried relationships, to provide health care benefits to children in their household. In tough times like this we should not make it harder to raise a family and protect children.
2. Negative Effects on NC Seniors
Amendment One will hurt some of our seniors. Many older people who have previously lost spouses, but find love later in life never remarry, even though they are committed to their new partner. They do this to protect the benefits their previous spouse earned including health care, pensions, and Social Security, and Amendment One puts those benefits at jeopardy.
3. Dangerous Consequences for NC Women
Amendment One threatens domestic violence protections for unmarried women. Domestic violence protections for unmarried women could be declared unconstitutional because Amendment One legally recognizes only married couples as a family. Women deserve protections from domestic violence whether they are married or not.
Women deserve protections from domestic violence and stalking whether they are married or not. According to the Attorney General, leading experts at Duke and UNC law schools, and the state's Women's Commission, this amendment could take away those protections against violent acts from women whether they are married to their attacker or not. Thats wrong and dangerous.
***For example: An amendment similar to Amendment One caused Ohio courts to throw out domestic violence convictions. When an almost identical state amendment passed in Ohio, the courts there overturned 27 cases against attackers of unmarried women because the amendment meant that the state could only recognize married couples as a legal relationship with protected status.
http://www.ncdp.org/pages/741/
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)What awful karma they reap.
heterosexual couples who live together out of wedlock, for example.
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)I mean I hope so anyway, or the irony would be physically dangerous to behold.
G_j
(40,366 posts)Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)wants to silence another.
Censorship is not an answer.
G_j
(40,366 posts)musical_soul
(775 posts)the Klan came to Raleigh. I'll assume they had white supremacy signs. They were pretty much ran out of town by the counter protest.
Even if this amendment does get passed, we will not stop fighting. We will work to get it overturned. Let these people talk. They will not win in the end.
RetroLounge
(37,250 posts)The ads wish to make our gay brothers and sisters 2nd class citizens in their own state, yet silencing these asshats makes you cringe?
I think you should be cringing at the attempt to restrict their rights, don't you?
RL
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(19,768 posts)I cringe at any attempt by one group to restrict the rights of another, which is why I said I don't support the amendment in question.
I also don't support censorship because I believe everyone has a right to express his/her/their ideas. Even asshats.
RetroLounge
(37,250 posts)Okay...
RL
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Okay...
RetroLounge
(37,250 posts)My apologies...
RL
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)which passed a few years ago by about 2%. I remember a man standing with a sign which said, "I am gay man who has children". "MY family doesn't matter?"
Yes, Florida's law also bans anything (civil unions, domestic partnerships) except marriage between man and woman. There was talk also before it passed about the large number of straight Seniors in this state who would lose their benefits if they got married. Apparently, this is all religious based, and really just about what they think is SINNING.
As far as the domestic violence issue, you forgot another aspect of that; lesbian domestic partners. They won't be protected either.
kelly1mm
(4,732 posts)G_j
(40,366 posts)musical_soul
(775 posts)Freedom of speech?
In this case, the way to fight another person's freedom of speech is with more freedom of speech. I've been talking to people in real life and on facebook about the amendment. I am just praying (yes, literally praying) that a miracle happens on Tuesday and that discrimination isn't put into our state constitution.