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William769

(55,145 posts)
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 02:23 PM Apr 2015

HBO's VICE Uncovers Gay Iranians Forced to Surgically Change Gender

The next installment of HBO's VICE documentary series, which premiered Friday, took on "a terrifying cultural landscape" as it looks at a Muslim country whose government will pay for what it calls "sex-change" surgery as a so-called cure for homosexuality.

The show's producers shared an advanced clip of the segment reported by VICE correspondent Thomas Morton. It's an astonishing tale about how gay men who are not transgender are compelled to have what would normally be gender-affirmative surgery if they were indeed trans. For many if not all of these men, it's a matter of living as someone they are not for the rest of their lives following surgery — or facing execution.

Once a relatively progressive Arab country, Iran became a fundamentalist Islamic state where homosexuality is punishable by death after the fall of Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi in 1979. Public executions of gay men in Iran is a frequent occurrence. In fact, the noosed bodies of young men are sometimes put on trucks and paraded through cities, towns and villages for all to see.

WARNING there is a video at the link that is not for people with queasy stomach's. WARNING

http://www.advocate.com/world/2015/04/11/hbos-vice-uncovers-gay-iranians-forced-surgically-change-gender

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HBO's VICE Uncovers Gay Iranians Forced to Surgically Change Gender (Original Post) William769 Apr 2015 OP
Jesus, what next! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2015 #1
Damn! MineralMan Apr 2015 #2
Mercy! shenmue Apr 2015 #3
How can this be? Lionel Mandrake Apr 2015 #4
Well now you know why why don't have any. William769 Apr 2015 #5
And there are DUers who think it appropriate to promote PressTV... SidDithers Apr 2015 #6
I think you just answered your own question. William769 Apr 2015 #7
Does this count as "Islamophobia" at the DU? Quantess Apr 2015 #8
I can't eve count how many times I have been called a xenophobe William769 Apr 2015 #9
It was a very good piece. Behind the Aegis Apr 2015 #10
Well, I guess you could say at least they are not opposed to T, only to LGB rights reorg Apr 2015 #11

Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
4. How can this be?
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 03:15 PM
Apr 2015

In a speech at Columbia University, then-president of Iran Ahmadinejad said: "In Iran, we don't have homosexuals ... "

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William769

(55,145 posts)
9. I can't eve count how many times I have been called a xenophobe
Sat Apr 11, 2015, 04:33 PM
Apr 2015

Because of what I have posted on Iran and or Russia.

Behind the Aegis

(53,952 posts)
10. It was a very good piece.
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 02:49 AM
Apr 2015

What was really jarring was the transman whose brother stated had his brother been gay he would have killed him, but a sister who became a man was acceptable. It is also so sad there has to be gay underground in order to keep gays alive in Iran by getting them out of Iran.

reorg

(3,317 posts)
11. Well, I guess you could say at least they are not opposed to T, only to LGB rights
Sun Apr 12, 2015, 05:50 AM
Apr 2015

Here is an interesting article I found. Excerpt:

Trans[ition]in Iran
From the Spring Issue "Sex and Sexuality"
By Rochelle Terman

...

CULTURAL SICKNESS

Contrary to popular belief, homosexuality is not criminalized in Iran. That is, same-sex attractions, desires, even identities are not illegal. What is criminalized is a particular set of sexual acts that occur outside of a sanctioned heterosexual marriage, including sodomy and adultery. Under certain circumstances, a man convicted of sodomy, or lavat, can be put to death. The method of execution is left to the judge’s discretion, but it is usually hanging. If the accused are underage, or if no penetration has occurred, the sentence will be converted to lashing. Lesbianism, or mosahegheh, is punished more leniently than same-sex relations among men—an unusual feature in a legislative code that so regularly discriminates against women. Here the punishment is also lashing, but anyone convicted of homosexual acts for a fourth time, regardless of gender, will be sentenced to death.

It is often said that Iran’s penal code is based on shariah, or Islamic Law—the unchanging and immutable totality of God’s commands as revealed through the Prophet Mohammad. It is more correct to say that punishment is based on fiqh, or the tradition of Islamic jurisprudence. Fiqh literally means “understanding”—that is, the human understanding and interpretation of divine shariah. The distinction between shariah and fiqh is crucial, according to Islamic scholar Ziba Mir Hosseini, because “some specialists and politicians today—often with ideological intent—mistakenly equate shariah with fiqh and present fiqh rulings as shariah, hence as divine and not open to challenge.” All of which suggests just how contradictory modern day interpretations of Islamic law can be. In fact, early Muslims’ relationship to homosexuality was paradoxical. Superficial intolerance of sodomy was derived from the Quranic story of Lut (equivalent to the biblical Lot), even as pederasty and love between men was celebrated in poetry, art, and literature. Persian poetry, in particular, featured a significant amount of homoeroticism, with references to sexual love in addition to spiritual or religious love present in these relationships. Moreover, in most parts of the Islamic world, including Iran, as long as men (whose sex lives we know much more about) performed their “procreative obligations,” the larger community was generally not much concerned with the rest of their sex lives, according to Najmabadi.

Attitudes toward homosexual relationships began to change, however, during the Pahlavi era (1925 through 1979), when a range of policies was implemented that aimed to transform Iran from a dependent, traditional society to a modern, independent nation-state with Europe as its model. Iran criminalized sodomy as an effort to encourage a European-style nuclear family and sexual sensibilities. The 1979 Iranian Revolution suggested that infiltration of the family unit constituted one of the most potent modes of cultural imperialism conducted by Western forces to control Iran. Thus, one of the very first tasks after the Revolution was the repeal of the Shah’s personal status and family laws, substituting new penal codes as part of an overall “anti-corruption” campaign to cleanse the post-revolutionary society of any infiltration of “Western” gender relations, especially sexual transgressions such as adultery, fornication, prostitution, and homosexuality. Sex outside of marriage became punishable by stoning. In fact, the crime of adultery still warrants greater punishment than the crime of murder in the Islamic Penal Code (created in 1983), since it’s considered a crime against the foundations of the new Islamic state.

These days, however, the official discourse on sexuality has increasingly gone medical. “In the last 10 years, whenever the government or media talks about sexuality, they talk about a kind of health or psychological problem—gender identity disorder,” Amin says. “Everything is about gender identity disorder. And if you have it, there’s one solution—go and change your sex.”

...

Rochelle Terman is an Iranian-American Ph.D. candidate in Political Science at the University of California, Berkeley and sits on the advisory council for Women Living Under Muslim Law’s International Solidarity Network.
http://www.worldpolicy.org/transition-iran
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