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Video shows Tulsa mans last moments alive after accidental police shooting (WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT)
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https://twitter.com/BayAreaIntifada/status/587123665520594944
Thats the blasé explanation Oklahoma officials gave after the fatal shooting of an unarmed black man by a white deputy who accidentally pulled his gun when he meant to use his Taser.
The botched encounter was captured on a disturbing video released by police on Friday nine days after the fatal Tulsa shooting.
He shot me! He shot me, man. Oh, my god. Im losing my breath, Eric Harris says as he struggles on the ground following the April 2 shooting, which flew under the radar until video emerged a week later.
F--- your breath, a callous officer can be heard saying. Shut the f--- up!
MORE:
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/video-shows-tulsa-man-shot-deputy-meant-stun-article-1.2181787
another video:
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=576444525791519
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)And he'll probably get away, maybe even get rich from a gofundme grift.
Oh my fucking god.
No words.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)Our society is rotten and our police are just a symptom of that rot.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)struggled mightily with the question of whether police were part of the working class, i.e., the prototypical 99%, or whether they occupied some special status within the economic system. I came to view them as 'class traitors,' working class folks who identified with, and were dedicated to, enforcing the property relations and privileges of the 1%. I've always intended to go back and review what my Socialist and Communist forbears had to say on the subject but never seem to be able to make the time.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)Might be why Walker exempted the police from his trashing of public sector unions--
The police are the domestic version of national defense, says Sam Popkin, a political science professor at the University of California, San Diego. The reason that Republicans love them so much, he explained, it that Republicans identify very strongly in a time of change and turbulence with the troops that provide order. The police are very popular with Republicans and with the middle class in general.
When Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker cracked down on collective bargaining rights of public-sector unions, he exempted cops and fire fighters. He feared the police might go on strike and join the protestors. Videos of that pairing could have doomed Walkers entire effort. Its a decision by politicians not to bite off more than they can chew, explains James Sherk, a labor policy expert with the conservative Heritage Foundation.
--more--
The GOP and Police Unions: A Love Story
...enforcing the property relations and privileges of the 1%
tblue37
(65,218 posts)that bullyboy's loyalty. It's a natural relationship among certain hierarchical social species.
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)If the people here were ever to go the "torches and pitchforks" route against Walker, he knows that the police, and especially the State Patrol, will be his muscle.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)within the economic system...". It may explain why it is in the 0.1% interest to give cops special law breaking privileges. Republicans throw their white base bones with coded messages that they are "better than those other people" while sharing none of the economic plunder with them. Likewise special law breaking privileges are a bone thrown to cops at no cost to the 0.1%, while earning the cops' loyalty so they will protect them from the rabble who they are screwing in increasingly crooked ways.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)points up a nascent crisis in legitimacy among the local constabulary forces, a powerful paragraph of which is excerpted below:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-police-in-america-are-becoming-illegitimate-20141205
Taibbi's are words few dare utter, but many are starting to think.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)" ... on Wall Street, the pure unmolested freedom to fleece whoever you want is considered the sacred birthright of every rake with a briefcase.
If Lloyd Blankfein or Jamie Dimon had come up with the concept of selling loosies, they'd go to their graves defending it as free economic expression ... "
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)the expression "rake with a briefcase" to my Advanced Conversation class (which has been discussing politics recently). I get a lot of material for my classes from these threads, including a recent reference to the Republican presidential field as 'scheming guttersnipes'
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Republicans.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)"...the Establishment cannot survive without the obedience and loyalty of millions of people who are given small rewards to keep the system going: the soldiers and police, teachers and ministers, administrators and social workers, technicians and production workers, doctors, lawyers, nurses, transport and communications workers, garbage men and firemen. These people-the employed, the somewhat privileged-are drawn into alliance with the elite. They become the guards of the system, buffers between the upper and lower classes. If they stop obeying, the system falls."
When they begin to "question authority," become self aware and responsible, then they'll understand how the 1% bought them, and this will initiate what Zinn described as "the revolt of the guards." It will come. It is inevitable. Is it getting closer?
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)just enough crumbs by the global elite as to lose sight of their true global class status, i.e., as workers who must survive by selling their labor. (Helps to explain why the American labor movement historically has aligned itself with the American bourgeoisie and not with the global proletariat.)
Excellent quote by Zinn; thanks for sharing it.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Excellent reminder that it is not just about US.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Class traitors indeed.
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)Not just police, but those who worked in essential services. In time, they lost any attachment to class struggle and became narrow syntechnics motivated only by collective self interest, the same as the surgical colleges and other professional associations.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)V.I. Lenin's distinction between a class "in itself" (that is, lacking class consciousness and therefore capable of acting on behalf of its class interests) and a class "for itself" (fully conscious of its class identity and capable of acting on behalf of its class interests) a useful one when it comes to the constabulary.
To wit, the cops have only their 'labor' to sell and are, be definition, working class. Hence a class 'in itself'. But, by the same token, they lack consciousness of their class identity (or have lost it, to pull from London's thinking) and thus are incapable of acting on behalf of their class.
Many thanks for your annotation!
Maraya1969
(22,461 posts)First, it is essential to underscore that most police officers are honorable and conscientious in their valiant service to the community. However, decades ago, when the late Dr. Yochelson and I were interviewing career criminals in our study at St. Elizabeths Hospital in Washington, D.C., we discovered that a significant number of them, when they were youngsters, aspired to careers in law enforcement. They reported being attracted by the uniform, the badge, the gun, the fast police cruiser and, most of all, the thrill of pursuing and catching the bad guys. It was the excitement and the ability to wield absolute power over other human beings that attracted them as well as the prospect of being cited as heroes for doing so. None of these individuals whom we studied in our research program actually became policemen because they lacked the self-discipline to obtain the requisite education and training
When a person with a criminal personality becomes a law enforcement officer, problems invariably result. Stories of police corruption appear in the media from time to time. You have the cop who uses excessive force and who may ultimately be sanctioned for police brutality. Or there may be the officer who pulls a motorist over and offers to forego issuing a citation if she agrees to have sex with him. Or there may be the policeman who confiscates drugs but uses some of them himself. Then there is the cop who accepts a bribe in exchange for turning a blind eye and not reporting a crime.
http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/The-Danger-of-Americas-Police-is-the-Mindset-Not-Military-Weapons-20140824-0034.html
Police impunity in the U.S. is the norm. A study found that 99.8% of 1,500 officers involved in killing civilians were never convicted.
marble falls
(57,009 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)wishes, i.e., to keep a boot on the throat of the working class?
marble falls
(57,009 posts)under thirty, poor, faced by a white cop .....
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Obama and the DoJ should do about it? Or President Obama's sucessor(s)? I'd like to see the DoJ get a hell of a lot more assertive in shutting down local law enforcement (or bringing it under federal supervision), much like has happened or promises to happen in Ferguson. Not sure whether my preference is practical, though.
marble falls
(57,009 posts)NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)This disgusting pile of human garbage considers his victim meaningless because he is black, plain and simple.
The rage over this shit is about to happen, they could avoid it but they seem not to want to.
If this was happening to white people at the hands of black people, well, there would be no discussion.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)I spent at Occupy Los Angeles in the fall of 2011 and watching the poor of all races be treated like shit and brutalized by the pigs. That this treatment lands disproportionately on people of color is, I think, by now beyond all dispute.
Thanks for the annotation.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)was the majority of cop killings in Albuquerque. The population in ABQ largely Latino and white, about 2% AA. The DOJ did step in and the APD under its supervision. The killings have slowed down. The war against the people is against the most vulnerable, which in many urban areas is people of color.
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)Because if the local departments are dissolved, you'll have the same psychos on the national police force except if they're federal they can claim national security and sit on these videos for decades or just not record them.
The only way we're going to fix this is by firing, charging, convicting and imprisoning all cops in that video for decades otherwise its going to keep happening because there are no consequences.
but, that's not going to happen so in a few hours another unarmed man or woman will get shot in the back or the head and the same vicious cycle will continue until finally all hell breaks loose.
marble falls
(57,009 posts)I want a fair procedure for investigating police shootings and I want it out the hands of the police depts involved. I also want a law requiring police to live in the municipalities they serve.
jmowreader
(50,528 posts)Under most circumstances I'd say "yes, cops should live in the communities they police." In the case of cops who patrol the high-rent district, "as close as practical" would work.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)Trillo
(9,154 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)He is listed as a "reserve cop" and gave the by now familiar claim he though he was using his taser.
Which does not explain why, with 3 cops on the guy, he needed tasing.
Bates is an insurance company executive assigned to the Violent Crimes Task Force. The sheriff's office said Bates spent time with the Tulsa Auxiliary Police, and is a former full-time officer."
It sounds as if the shooter was not even a regular cop on the force.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)sickening....
no words....
cilla4progress
(24,717 posts)this is really awful to say...but my theory is the spike in these attacks is racist backlash for our first AA President. These cops are doing to these victims what they would like to do to our President - it's a threat.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)+1000
freshwest
(53,661 posts)There was not an increase in rage from AA's. This is white rage against black people progressing in the system in the way that many of us think it should be. They would tear the nation into pieces to stop this.
Just as their kindred spirits did before the Civil War. That's why so many civilians are armed at combat level, which also threatens 'peace' officers trying to maintain civil society and prevent anarchism.
Defunding government is something they've sold to everyone and the sad fact is that laws passed to protect the disadvantaged, women and minorities have no meaning if the funding is not there to enforce it.
I am guessing that in some venues the PD are reduced to handling violent crime only and not doing any positive form of community policing. They have a skewed view of life.
And as you say, they want to do this to Obama, but can't get at him. It has been noted by some that the military and law enforcement attracts the less open minded and conservatives.
By cutting out all programs and social safety nets that alleviate problems before they get to the point of the law being called out, this will happen more and more if the citizens don't take control through elections.
Thus society devolves into fascist holdings where all have to obey the richest and most aggressive in their neck of the woods. It's not called terrorism, but it is.
cilla4progress
(24,717 posts)about the rage on the right toward Pres. Obama. Also have open another DU window with clips from Pres Obama's presser yesterday calling out these douchebags (apologies to actual douchebags...).
One of the NYT commenters likened Pres Obama to Gorbachev: a progressive peace-pushing transformative Presidency that was not fully appreciated in its time esp. by Russia's people, and that ultimately - the country - backslid. Interesting analogy. Chilling.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)insufferably ignorant males...because it's never used for females. Apology accepted, however.
cilla4progress
(24,717 posts)It's like my daughter says: you can't say "shit" on TV, but you can say "bitch"!
Thank you for fine-tuning my sensitivities!
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Very big money with a bad agenda. I remember MLK, Jr.'s fear.
Something like, when black people achieved their goal, they would find 'instead of the promised land, a house burned down' to deny them.
With its last dying breath, so to speak, that not his words, he was speaking of the moral bankruptcy of the war machine. What the Koch brothers have tried to do is exactly that. And it's so wrong, and will destroy all of us who don't want to bow and scrape before those guys.
Let's make sure we deny them in 2016 and keep moving forward.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)and ready to blow because there is a black man in the White House, who are you going to take it out on?
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)you about a con business partner punishing and cheating a partner because he voted for Obama.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)A lot of white cops out there feeling it's their duty to "make sure they know their place".
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)on and on and on and on.......... fuck every breath that cop takes, from now on..
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)pseudo Head Mount for their Trophy Room???????
2naSalit
(86,323 posts)is what we've become in this nation. This is allowed. THIS is what has become of that BART execution cop's acquittal a few years ago. THIS is America in the 21st century and it will apparently get worse unless we stand up to this abuse of citizens, we have become a nation devoted more to inhumanity than anything else and we can be seen engaging in this travesty all over the planet on a daily basis.
So what ARE WE going to do about it?
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)Lets try a change of tactics by using social media to publish the actual phone numbers of the police departments involved in these tragic beatings and shootings and then phone them in mass to complain, no texting, no emails, just plain spoken words to let them know how many citizens are truly pissed off, tie up their damn phone lines with messages of protest, force them to change, let them know that we're not going away. Phone them over and over. Make them hear the message.
So what ARE WE going to do about it?
LETS TRY THAT !
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)ybbor
(1,554 posts)When do we get to throw the whole fucking bushel out? I think we need to pull up all the trees and burn the fucking orchard down!
Then plant something new. Maybe strawberries, at least when those go bad everyone can see and we can just put them down the disposal.
As a matter of fact, we should put this entire crop into one giant woodchipper and burn the chips afterward.
The system isn't broken, because if it was someone would have tried to fix it. They sure as hell seem to like it the way it is! Sick fucking bastards! The whole lot of 'em!
B2G
(9,766 posts)The cop who shot him can be heard saying "I'm sorry, I'm sorry" in the video.
Why do we have 73 year old cops on the street??
tblue37
(65,218 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)The one who shot him was saying "I'm sorry".
tblue37
(65,218 posts)who is speaking.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)Seventy-three, minimal training, and having him work the street as a regular officer? Madness.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Maybe it's time to think about re-instituting the COLA for Social Security recipients so they don't need to find other meas of income.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/04/watch-police-release-graphic-video-of-tulsa-man-as-he-was-killed-by-cop-who-thought-he-pulled-his-taser/
B2G
(9,766 posts)He wasn't being paid and is pretty well off.
http://m.tulsaworld.com/newshomepage1/sheriff-s-office-reserve-deputy-who-fired-fatal-shot-was/article_3d1f3fe7-43cd-5fa1-9e8c-d8b3aefe2504.html?mode=jqm
hatrack
(59,574 posts)EDIT
Bates apparently is not alone as both a donor and reserve deputy. While the Sheriffs Office has not released its full roster, Clark said other wealthy donors are among the agencys 130 reserve deputies.
There are lots of wealthy people in the reserve program, he said. Many of them make donations of items. Thats not unusual at all.
Bates has donated multiple vehicles, guns and stun guns to the Sheriffs Office since he became a reserve deputy in 2008, Clark said. The Sheriffs Office did not have an itemized list of donations made by Bates available Monday and deferred that question to the county commissioners office, which tracks those items.
EDIT
http://m.tulsaworld.com/newshomepage1/sheriff-s-office-reserve-deputy-who-fired-fatal-shot-was/article_3d1f3fe7-43cd-5fa1-9e8c-d8b3aefe2504.html?mode=jqm
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Is this some sort of sick fantasy camp??
Runningdawg
(4,509 posts)I live in Tulsa, you should see the shameful way the news is spinning this story. Oh poor old cop, he got confused....BS this was a man who bought his badge and who had NO business being on the streets. The news also says they won't show the whole video believing its "too graphic" for its viewers.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,311 posts)... friends and donors.
I worked with several people who had guns and badges. The father of the owner of my company, a millionaire many times over, would tool around the suburbs with his driver in his own black Crown Vic with flashing lights embedded in the front grille.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)He was just a ride along?????
He committed murder, then. Was in no way a legal cop.
god, I can see the lawsuits now.....
daleanime
(17,796 posts)I know I should, but I just get sick at the idea. God damn it, what are we becoming?
tblue37
(65,218 posts)example far and wide.
Madmiddle
(459 posts)Iggo
(47,534 posts)It's just there're more video cameras now.
So they get caught more often.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)The other cop that said that is pretty horrible.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)it would seem better to have one less cop than any extra 73 year old cop. Or couldn't they find other volunteer work for him, like the proverbial behind the desk position? Sounds like a dumb idea all round. And it's because he made an error of the type expected from the elderly. Good grief, such a tragic waste.
Thespian2
(2,741 posts)this carnage end? How long can people be subjected to a police-state? No longer do Americans need look at other parts of the world to see the devastating effects of police brutality against fellow human beings.
B2G
(9,766 posts)In the video, provided to the New York Daily News, a body-cam captures an officer in a foot pursuit of Harris who is subsequently tackled in the street.
As the officer instructs Harris to roll onto his stomach, a gun shot is heard.
Bates can be heard, saying, Im sorry. Im sorry, as Harris yells, He shot me! while another officer is heard saying, You f*cking ran.
He shot me! He shot me, man. Oh, my god. Im losing my breath, Harris then said.
F*ck your breath, an officer can be heard saying. Shut the f*ck up!
Bates can once again be heard lamenting, I shot him. Im sorry.
Harris, who had been under investigation for narcotic sales, was rushed to a local hospital where he later died.
According to authorities, the 73-year-old Bates was attempting to use non-lethal force on Harris, resulting in the tragic death.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/04/watch-police-release-graphic-video-of-tulsa-man-as-he-was-killed-by-cop-who-thought-he-pulled-his-taser/
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)It is one and the same. Only the uniform is different. This is the kind of action and callous disregard for life we would expect from storm troopers toward Jews in Nazi Germany.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)"show me your papers" and I doubt anyone could distinguish the two.
JEB
(4,748 posts)as a poster above stated. I just read an interesting and related article over at Counter Punch.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/04/10/disarm-the-police/
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)And that vehicle crashes, ejecting the perpetrator, the cops almost always savagely beat the person. They know the person may have a broken neck or massive internal injuries, but they do it anyway. The police have devolved into barbaric savages.
Police in this country have no honor.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Downwinder
(12,869 posts)NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)gonna be massive violence and destruction.
this is insane, HOW MANY MORE OF THESE VIDEOS DO WE NEED????
840high
(17,196 posts)involved beyond posting on a message board.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)in my town in conversation about what's happening. My hope is that they realize we pay attention and find these actions unacceptable. Have written to my Governor.
Stuart G
(38,414 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Pure NAZI Just-Us.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)The Wizard
(12,535 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)When you're on the ground and 5 guys are roughing you up, a taser is excessive force.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)Agreed.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Mayberry Machiavelli
(21,096 posts)I'm guessing the "eh honest mistake" official response is not the same as what we'd see if it was a white citizen killed, but then I'm guessing Grandpa Volunteer wouldn't have been so quick with the Taser/gun either.
Isn't the municipal government liable for a huge lawsuit for allowing such a situation?
I know no one cares because BLACK DUDE but come on already.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)psychological fitness process used by our police forces.
Some of the cases have involved lone officer who might understandably been frightened facing a potentially dangerous felon alone. That is not an excuse but it could explain the outrageous behavior of the police officers.
But if the video is representing a true story, then there is a serious problem because more than one officer was present and there was no reason for the officer to fear for his life.
The excessive use of force by our police officers appears to be a widespread and is clearly a very serious problem.
Instead o examining students and teachers in our schools, maybe we should be spending more money on the examination and verification of fitness of the officers on our police forces.
Assuming this video is true (I did not dare to click the link -- doesn't look quite right), this is scandaloous.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)For the average person, this seems to be overwhelming lately. But for minorities, it's every day life. We are better than that as a nation, and at least some people are waking up and saying "NO".
Alkene
(752 posts)there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there?"
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)?
WillTwain
(1,489 posts)PatrickforO
(14,558 posts)Catherine Vincent
(34,486 posts)I can't believe this!
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Anything less is unacceptable.
And I'm sick of seeing all the posts that say, stuff like 'oh he'll get a medal.' I know why people have a cynical attitude. But this is not the time for cynicism. This is the time for demanding a murder charge. And taking to the streets to demand it.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)In a news conference Friday, expert witness and Tulsa Police Sgt. Jim Clark said he investigated the matter at the request of the Sheriffs Office. Clark determined Bates, 73, committed no crime when he fired his .38-caliber pistol once instead of the Taser he meant to deploy, even referring to him as a victim. There also were no policy violations, Clark said.
http://m.tulsaworld.com/newshomepage2/attorney-questions-official-report-in-fatal-shooting-by-tulsa-county/article_86292aa0-3466-5f83-ac43-78b4a87a3fb4.html
rainmaker21
(52 posts)12 cops beating one man with over 80 blows after he's surrendered, including devastating elbows and groin kicks. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d46_1428632483#comment_page=3
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Thanks for the link and welcome to DU!
Jetboy
(792 posts)one and the other man shot in the back the other day.
Folks are saying, 'gee maybe the black people were right about the police' where before they had given the police and Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt.
Much like Bull so-n-so and his Alabama police dogs and bully force back in the 60s opened the minds of white America, so has these incidents of shooting unarmed black men in the back. A change is gonna come and very soon.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Where do they dredge up these racist assholes?
napkinz
(17,199 posts)by Steven W Thrasher
Its hard for black Americans to catch our breath these days: from Michael Brown to Eric Garner to John Crawford to Tamir Rice to Walter Scott and now Eric Harris, we just keep getting the wind knocked out of us as we bear witness to death after unnecessary death of black men at the hands of the police.
Those who police us, however, can breathe quite easily.
Watching a police officer yelling Fuck your breath as a knee is placed on the head of Harris as hes dying, watching a police officer shoot Scott in the back, its clear that the inhumanity on display is not an aberration. It looks too much like these men being hunted: part Doom, part Cops. The police stalk Harris down like an animal, and you can hear them breathing so clearly just before Harris is shot, before he says Oh my god! Im losing my breath!, before the cops explain how little that matters.
Fuck your breath.
Ive encountered that sentiment before, at a pro-police rally outside New Yorks City Hall in December 2014. Off-duty cops and their supporters chose to taunt Eric Garner from beyond the grave with his dying words (I cant breathe, said some people 11 times) and by wearing shirts which read I Can Breathe.
Black Americans cant breathe when we witness such sadistic glee, even though its just a restatement of an obvious, if painful, truth: they can breathe, and those of us who live under white supremacy as administered by law enforcement cannot. The cops, smug with all-but unassailable employment and pensions (for now), dont care that black people cant breathe when were being unconstitutionally stopped-and-frisked, subjected to illegal chokeholds, allegedly having evidence planted on us, or being told the depths of law enforcements apathy after being shot.
read more: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/13/white-supremacy-takes-the-breath-away-from-black-americans