We need a real progressive third party candidate in 2016!

[arely staircase]

Someone that will take votes from the Democrat and allow a Republican to win. Then we can obliterate Obamacare, attack Iran and put some real right wing assholes on the Supreme Court!

Yours Truly

GOP Arely

[OKNancy]

1. OMG... I'm having some good laughs today!

[still_one]

2. I don't see the Nader factor being significant in 2016

[upaloopa]

3. You want to hand the government over to

the Koch brothers. Fuck that.

[davidn3600]

7. Koch brothers would find Hillary acceptable

Sure they prefer a Republican, but Hillary ain't going to do nothing to harm Wall Street.

The 1% will do cartwheels if 2016 is between Jeb and Hillary. The middle class is fucked no matter who wins.

[SidDithers]

9. Sure. That's why they're going to spend a $Billion to defeat her...

Sid

[davidn3600]

28. Perhaps a bad business decision

Since under Obama the 1% has expanded their wealth by wide margins. The statistics doesn't lie.

Hillary is unlikely to do anything that changes that trend.

So Im kind of clueless why a 1%er would spend that much money. Perhaps they think a Republican would give them an even higher ROI.

[Adrahil]

38. Because Obama or Hillary can change that without Congress?

FFS... Take a deep breath and look at the world as it is, not as you wish it to be.

[rogerashton]

13. The billionaire class is not a monolith.

That Wall Street likes Hillary doesn't mean the Kochs do.

[liberal_at_heart]

15. "The middle class is fucked no matter who wins." That is the sad fact of it.

I've heard that Hillary plans on running on the middle class. Didn't I see lots of middle class signs during Obama's campaign speeches and lots of middle class chants from the audience during his speeches? How has the middle class faired under Obama? Every Democratic Presidential nominee runs on the middle class because everybody likes to think of themselves as the middle class even if they really aren't. The fact is unless we get a Bernie Sanders or an Elizabeth Warren the middle class is fucked.

[Adrahil]

39. You want change like that?

We need more than the Presidency. We need Congress with a filibuster proof majority it's the Senate.

[zappaman]

29. The Koch Brothers hate Hillary.

Keep trying though.
You're kinda funny!

[Cha]

60. No. they. wouldn't. You obviously don't know the Kochs as well as you think you do.

[Cha]

58. You obviously didn't get the OP.

[mmonk]

4. Most likely, a progressive candidate will emerge in the Democratic Party.

Many here will attack that person most likely but I doubt the people will be left with no economic champion to vote for if they have the courage or knowledge to do so.

[Bobbie Jo]

5. heh

[Marr]

6. Why do conservative democrats continue to push the lie that the left cost the party

the election in 2000? There were more conservative Democrats who voted for Bush than liberal Democrats who voted for Nader. If any segment of the party can be blamed, it's the one that's been pointing fingers to the left for the last fifteen years.

This isn't even dry bullshit anymore-- it's fossilized bullshit.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

8. If the candidates want the votes of the left, they'll have to appeal to the left.

"Not as bad", doesn't.

[treestar]

23. Lol

if the left wants a right wing president, they'll keep it up.

[Adrahil]

40. That is an incredibly weak argument. n/t

[hrmjustin]

10. Thanks for the good laugh my friend.

[arely staircase]

16. :-) nt

[AtomicKitten]

11. No, we need a real progressive Democratic candidate.

[mylye2222]

14. K&R gazillions times.

[liberal_at_heart]

12. nice liberal bashing. That will definitely motivate people to vote for your candidate. Not.

[TransitJohn]

17. The hippie punching is starting up right off the bat, I see. eom

n/t

[Art_from_Ark]

56. And it will continue until morale on the left improves

[TransitJohn]

64. The meetings will continue

until we figure out why productivity is down.

[betterdemsonly]

18. I don't see how anyone can feel confident Hilllary

will not attack Iran given her close ties to Victoria Nuland and her husband Robert Kagan, not to mention all the statements she made about their being no daylight between her and Netanyahu on iran. Let's not forget her perpetual hawkishness in Libya, Syria, Honduras and the Ukraine.

We're not allowed to endorse third parties, but the primaries aren't over yet, and I won't back her.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

19. And our local Putinista checks in

[betterdemsonly]

20. So the red baiter brigades check in

probably posting from pnac headquarters.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

24. Red baiting?

Putin is not a communist. In fact he probably has more in common with the religious right in this country.


http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-30518054

[betterdemsonly]

25. You don't have any substantiative response

so you name call and change the subject. Isis has more in common with the Taliban but it didn't make the pnac or Hillary think we shouldn't arm them to overthrow Assad. The ukrainian coup regime is filled to the brim with actual neonazis, but it didn't dawn on Hillary they shouldn't be supported.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

26. I don't have the response you want to hear in other words

Have a good day

[betterdemsonly]

27. Go have some coffee with your buds at the weakly standard! n/t

[blue neen]

41. Oh, this is priceless.

The "weakly standard".

[brooklynite]

31. Alert rejected...

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And our local Putinista checks in
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This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

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Just a smear, that contributed nothing to the thread.

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Observation that NOBODY cared enough to post an opinion

[betterdemsonly]

32. So you right wing dems have figured out how to game the

jury so obvious violations of TOS don't get punished. Kind of like the way you deal with errant banks, killer cops, and illegal wars.

[brooklynite]

33. "Game the System"?

You think the Diebold computers are now being used to rig DU jury votes? Or alternatively, 6 out of every 7 DU members are "right wing Dems"?

[betterdemsonly]

34. You're all on computers

Organized groups can game the system. We know from Snowden's testimony that it isn't that hard. We only have sklnners word that everything is completely random and well paid organized groups can game it even if it was.

That was an objective abuse and the jury ignored it.. People can see that for themselves.

[brooklynite]

35. To be clear...you're claiming someone cares enough to RIG jury results on DU?

Maybe you need to turn off the computer (or have Diebold do it for you) and get out into the real world.

[betterdemsonly]

36. I think political operatives try to control popular forums

Cass Sustein admitted it. I guess I am a conspiracy theorist for taking them at their word.

[BainsBane]

43. Did you miss this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6494529

[betterdemsonly]

48. Don't understand your point.

Are you saying he is banning those who support other democrats to win the primary, because that would imply this is no longer a democratic blog. The tos should be changed to read that anyone that supports other candidates besides Hillary will be banned. The name should also be changed to the "Hillary Clinton Underground"

[BainsBane]

50. You have referred to Clinton supporters as right-wing

and insisted those who support her are paid operatives. My question to you is why you would associate yourself with a place run by what you see as right-wing operatives?

[betterdemsonly]

52. I haven't said clinton supporters are right wing

I said right wing dems can game the jury. I have not said Clinton supporters are paid operatives, only that there are paid operatives here. Since you and your buddies accused me of being a Putin astroturfer the other day, Why do you have a problem with that? Your insults are far more gross.

[BainsBane]

54. Bullshit

You made those comments in this very thread. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6495609

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6495793

You split hairs and then accuse others of making insults. Either you believe something or you don't. Pointing out your views is not an insult. I never called you an astroturfer or anything else. When you stump for despots, people are going to notice. Those are positions you publicly took. I can imagine if I had taken such repugnant positions I would try to hide from them too. Clearly you aren't able to handle any questions about consistency in your views. You speak of Clinton supporters as though they were the devil's spawn, and here you are financially contributing to one such supporter by posting on this website.

A few points, given positions you have taken, you are not in a position to call anyone else right wing. The thing I have noticed about people who fixate on proclaiming themselves leftier than the rest of us is that they very often take more conservative positions on a host of issues.

As for political operatives: I can't imagine any campaign would waste a nickle trying to convince your crowd of anything. How could it possibly matter what you and a few dozen other people think about Hillary Clinton? You all think far too highly of yourselves. The fact is you represent nothing and no one but yourselves. Your views and goals are restorationist, looking to recreate a past America where your privilege went unchallenged, and where politicians didn't concern themselves with the riff raff you have written so dismissively about.

[betterdemsonly]

55. That post didn't mention the term Clinton

Last edited Mon Apr 13, 2015, 04:17 AM - Edit history (1)

Here is a cut paste of that post in its entirety.

Quote betterdemsonly
36. I think political operatives try to control popular forums
Cass Sustein admitted it. I guess I am a conspiracy theorist for taking them at their word.End of quote.

In their view saying there are operatives here turns into "all Clinton supporters are operatives." Criticizing the coup in the Ukraine turns into "stumping for despots!" You can see how this crowd twists things.

I have no clue what the Restoration stuff is referring to. It surely isn't me. My politics are antiwar and antiausterity. There has been no time in the last 40 years where my politics held sway.

[treestar]

65. lol

Eddie gets a mention here?

[merrily]

44. Jury results on this post.

On Sun Apr 12, 2015, 10:32 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

So you right wing dems have figured out how to game the
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6495609

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This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

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Calling a Duer a "right wing Dem" is a clear personal attack.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Apr 12, 2015, 10:40 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

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Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Yes, it is. Hide.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: None of these deserve hides.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Hesitated over this. However there is a right wing of the Dem Party, 'conservative' might be more acceptable, but going to leave it as the conservative dems are taking this party to the right so while it's not a pleasant thing to talk about, it is a fact.
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My personal reaction. The notion that the Democratic Party does not have a right wing and a left wing and everything in between is contrary to many DU posts from both the right wing and the left wing of DU's Dems. Votes in Congress are explained that way. Rahm referred publicly to the "left of the left."

The notion that only one wing of the Democratic Party posts here is also contrary to many posts at DU, where DU's left is often referred to as "the far left," and not even as "the far left of the Party, just "the far left," as though we were wild-eyed Communists from 1927 or something.

[betterdemsonly]

45. Anyone can post claiming to be a dem

It is always posts that point out the real relationship between Hillary and the neocons that bring out the attackers. They are never punished but I generally get punished for defending myself. I also get punished for uncontroversial statements being spun as insults.

[merrily]

46. You did not get punished this time, and emotions are probably higher tonight because

of her announcement.

But, for the record, I think most Hillary supporters are Democrats, just New Democrats.

[SidDithers]

47. ...

Sid

[tammywammy]

49. LOL!

[PowerToThePeople]

42. rude

Should have been a hide.

[treestar]

22. OH my Hillary and Victoria baking cookies!!!!

[treestar]

21. LOL

So true GOP Arely!

[UTUSN]

30. Well we can't have*that* so we need to WIN. *Get* it?!1 *NOT* Jeb Crow Shrub. n/t

[PowerToThePeople]

37. DINOs deserve to lose, n/t

[Rex]

51. Who ya gonna call?

[rainmaker21]

53. I'd vote for Bernie. :)

[Cha]

57. Like

freakin' Nader? To come along with their tweedledee and tweedledumb lies?

If Bernie runs he'll go Dem.. he looks at the big picture.. not ego driven like what's his name

arely(who isn't gop)lol

[freshwest]

59. Definitely. He's not going to be a spoiler and allow what the satirical OP suggests.

Believe me, Arely's making a joke here, but look what happened, LOL!

[Cha]

61. I know it's satirical.. I was getting into the swing of things.. I just amended my post to make that

clear. And, up thread I told one poster that he clearly didn't get the OP.

Yeah, you'd have to know arely to know what she said was the opposite of what she wants.

freshwest

[freshwest]

62. Hey, Cha, what time is it over there? It's a bit after 1 AM here. Woke and can't get back to sleep.

Sleeping an hour or two *whenever* I can doze off and get it... crazy. So, it's still before midnight there, maybe?

[Cha]

63. I've done that.. it is crazy.. but, there it is. It's 10:24PM here. Three hours behind.