Gary Johnson - Libertarian nominee - what do you know about him?

[alittlelark]

Last edited Sun May 6, 2012, 01:36 AM - Edit history (2)

Edited to say....
GARY JOHNSON IS A CORRUPT CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTOR DUDE THAT WAS ELECTED GOVERNOR OF MY STATE TWICE.


HE is ubiquitous and fooled MANY PPL.

He is Charismatic and Vacuous (any bells ringing?)


DO NOT dismiss this choice.


It is calculated and smart.

After the Cinco De Mayo celebrations in NM there will be other NM DUers that will express the same concerns.


PLS!!!! no more edits, my carpal is not liking the keyboard pounding.

[SidDithers]

1. I know that a poster ate pizza last week for promoting him on DU...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125134343

Sid

[alittlelark]

2. The problem is that he IS charismatic

He is not a milquetoast Ron Paul.

MANY Dems voted for him in NM.

I'll be honest, he scares me. Low Info voters will only look at his 'celebrity creds'.

I think he was put forth to be a 'Nader 2000' spoiler.

[NYC_SKP]

3. If he climbed Everest, then he's too egotistical and ignorant for me.

Climbing that mountain does nothing for other people.

I want someone who wants to leave the world a better place.

Fuck this guy, I'm voting for Obama.

[Comrade Grumpy]

38. Of all the reasons not to vote for somebody...

...that has to be among the weirdest.

[ProSense]

4. Here:

Gary Johnson Urges Supporters To Caucus For Ron Paul

Newly minted Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson is now urging his supporters in Iowa to caucus for Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) on Tuesday.

Johnson’s full statement:

“Wednesday, December 28, I announced that I am seeking the Libertarian nomination for president. Accordingly, I urge my supporters in Iowa to vote for Dr. Ron Paul in the upcoming Iowa Presidential Caucuses.

“While Ron Paul and I are both libertarians, we don’t necessarily agree on every single issue. However, on the over-riding issues of restoring our economy by cutting out-of-control spending and the need to get back to Constitutional principles in our government, Ron Paul and I are in lock-step. Indeed, I proudly endorsed Ron Paul for President in 2008.

“The cause of individual liberty and freedom is bigger and more important than any candidate or campaign. I am hopeful that in urging my supporters in Iowa to vote for Ron Paul in the upcoming Caucuses, a victory for the principles we share can be won.”

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/updates/3289

Typical Libertarian asshole.

[freshwest]

13. +1,000. Tbanks for laying it all out. Fuck Gary Johnson and his BFF Ron Paul.

[dionysus]

5. peddle that shit elsewhere, please.

[alittlelark]

6. I'll delete it if others keep getting upset....

But don't stick your head in the sand.

Other members from NM will post on this at some point in the near future.

The guy is someone to learn about and not scoff.

[ProSense]

9. One thing

"He is a RW Libertarian that smokes pot, is OK w/ Choice, and comes across smooth."

...to consider is that it's utter nonsense. Johnson supports repealing Roe v. Wade.

His claim to being pro-choice is utter bullshit.

[alittlelark]

11. I won't argue, because that's my point.

The guy is ubiquitous and whatever you want to see.

Look what happened in NM

[mr_liberal]

12. Thats Paul

I don't think Johnson would say Roe should be overturned.

[ProSense]

14. No

that's Johnson.

Federal ban on abortions/ Roe v. Wade

Johnson believes that Roe v. Wade is extraconstitutional and has wrongfully given the government the mandate to intrude on the private lives of Americans.

“Judges should be appointed who will interpret the Constitution according to its original meaning. Any court decision that does not follow this original meaning of the Constitution should be revisited. That is particularly true of decisions such as Roe vs. Wade, which have expanded the reach of the Federal government into areas of society never envisioned in the Constitution. With the overturning of Roe vs Wade, laws regarding abortion would be decided by the individual states.”
Extracted from Gary Johnson’s Our America Initiative site

Meet Republican Presidential Candidate Gary Johnson: Nullificationist Who Opposes Child Labor Laws
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/04/21/160089/gary-johnson-president-nullificationist-child-labor/

[Autumn]

37. Don't delete it, It's the truth.

I have family members in NM already singing his praises. These same family members voted for Obama last time.

[alittlelark]

8. Then you are one of those low info voters I'm worried about...

[mr_liberal]

10. No, I just have different opinions on issues

than you do.

[steve2470]

15. so, you'll vote third party, correct ?

" he has always been one of my dream candidates " = your words

[sadbear]

16. Every time I saw him on TV, he seemed batshit crazy

A wide-eyed, raving lunatic. I guess some people call that charisma.

[uppityperson]

17. After reading your edits, I'd suggest self deleting this as they made it worse

A long time DUer was banned this week for promoting this guy. Your edit makes it look like you also are promoting him. DU TOS say you are not supposed to do this. Beware.

Or edit it again to make it CLEAR you are warning against him, not advocating for him.

[alittlelark]

27. I thought it was really clear....

I'll update AGAIN

[uppityperson]

31. Thank you, that is much better.

I hate to see people's post hidden and them banned for something they didn't mean, a miscomunication issue. thanks.

[Kaleva]

18. Edited 'cause my original comment is better suited for H&M

[Ron Green]

19. New Mexicans generally don't celebrate Cinco de Mayo.

Their ancestors arrived 250 years before the Battle of Puebla.

[alittlelark]

21. I bartended my way through college in Las Cruces

I would disagree.

[Ron Green]

35. Well, I lived in el Norte, so I guess my

experience would be different.

[alittlelark]

36. My experience living in Alb, SF and LC was that Cinco de Mayo

is second or third behind St Paddys and Halloween. In LC St Paddys was a distant 3rd.

[oldhippydude]

20. OK i'm from New Mexico..

heres my take on Big Johnson.. His entry into politics was preceded by his owning Big J enterprises.. among other things, his construction company ran a crew of scab electricians at the Intel Rio Rancho plant construction.. the result of this was shabby wiring that later had to be replaced by Union labor, who actually knew what they were doing.. the man is no Friend of labor..

Lark is right he's slick.. his term as governor is one of constant contention with the legislature.. often offering little input, until vetoing the legislation.. perhaps the only thing that saved New Mexico during his term was simply he served at a time when there was so much growth that you couldn't screw it up..

don't be fooled by the pot smoking... hes a genuine libertarian.. neo-liberal

[alittlelark]

23. +1 Thanks for chiming in.

I was feeling very alone.

[oldhippydude]

24. actually i came charging to your rescue half an hour ago

but this old computer froze up!!!...took me tis long to get back and gert the spell check working...

[alittlelark]

26. Thank You!!!

I'll be in NM w/in a month. I have a place in Jemez.

Lets meet up!

Gina

[pacalo]

22. Discussions about Libertarian candidates are not welcome on DU.

I just served on a jury for your alerted OP & I see that you've begun another OP about this candidate: http://www.democraticunderground.com/106776 .

[alittlelark]

25. I did - For other New Mexicans to see

I believe we have a better view (8 years worth) than most of the 'real states' (inside joke).

I see most DUers laughing and dismissing him.


I consider that to be unwise.

I GUARANTEE the Obama Team recognizes this for what it is.

[uppityperson]

28. Then please clarify your OP that you are warning against him, not advocating for him.

[Comrade Grumpy]

29. Really? I can understand not promoting them, but...

the guy is running for president. It seems a bit head-in-the-sand to not discuss the opposition.

I think his drug policy stance could be trouble for Obama in Colorado and New Hampshire, both of which are battle ground states. There will be a pot legalization initiative on the ballot in Colorado, and there's been a lot of pot politics in New Hampshire, too. Plus, the administration has been putting the squeeze on dispensaries in Colorado.

He may be more palatable to disaffected legalizers than Ron Paul, and that could peel away a few votes in those states where it could be close.

[uppityperson]

30. OP reads like he is promoting him. That's the problem. Not discussing it, but it looks like advocati

[alittlelark]

32. Are you serious?

Read the edits. Read the post. OMG - this has been one of the most surreal hours (or two) of my life.

[uppityperson]

33. Thank you for clarifying. It now looks like a warning where it DID look like advocating

I don't like to see people banned over something that was a communication issue. Thanks for making the warning clear.

The post you are replying to was posted before you did the big "hey, he's an asshole beware" edit. thanks for posting that.

THIS looked like it was advocating, see? Now what you wrote is apparently a warning.
"DO NOT dismiss this choice.
It is calculated and smart. "

[rusty fender]

40. Wow! School marm-posting much?

Your scolding makes you appear to be the "owner" of DU, or the snitch who runs to the teacher to whine every time you see or hear something you don't like. Your behavior is juvenile and unhelpful.
Your attempt to ban all discussion of Johnson is reactionary, alot like the ostrich that puts his head in the sand.

Johnson will be on the ballot in 40 or more states, but he won't win more that 2-3 percentage points in any of them. In NM, where he is best known and liked, he'll barely crack 4%. It's conceivable that he could play a role in outcome of the election in a closely contested state, but that is unlikely.

At one time I thought that he could take enough votes from Obama in NM to swing the state to Romney, but that won't happen because Obama is leading Romney by 15 percentage points here. And, most pundits agree that he would likely get more Repuke votes than Democratic ones.

Gary Johnson=negligible impact

[uppityperson]

42. I wasn't the only one to think that, and I didn't want to see her/him banned. Sorry you took it

wrongly. If you don't like Skinner's rule on not advocating non-dems, take it up with him. A long time DUer was recently banned for advocating this guy and I didn't want it to happen to someone else again. As did other people on MIRT.

I'd rather warn someone that their post looks off, give them the chance to edit it, than simply alert and have it hidden and them possibly banned.

[Kaleva]

34. Your last edit makes it clear where you stand.

Before, it looked like you were advocating for him.

[gateley]

39. I agree w/OP that this guy shouldn't be dismissed. Don't think he could

overcome Obama, but he might become the darling of the Tea Party in 2016 (and we know the Koch Bros LOVE Libertarians!) so we at least should know who he is.

[alittlelark]

41. I'm picturing a Nader type siphoning of votes.