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Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 09:27 PM Apr 2015

Walmart uses Georgia ‘conscience clause’ to refuse woman’s miscarriage treatment.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/04/walmart-uses-georgia-conscience-clause-to-refuse-womans-miscarriage-treatment/

Sorry, no scrip for you! My invisible sky friend might get upset.
Her doctor recommended she take the drug after she miscarried about five weeks into her pregnancy, enabling her to avoid undergoing a more invasive procedure. But Misoprostol can also be used with Mifepristone to end a pregnancy in its early stages. She suspects that it was for that reason that the store refused her prescription without providing a reason.

While she was able to obtain the medication somewhere else, she brought the issue up again when visiting the store to fill out a separate prescription.

“She looks at my name and she says ‘Oh, well, I couldn’t think of a valid reason why you would need this prescription,’” Cartrett said. “I tell her my reasons for needing it, and she says ‘Well, I don’t feel like there is a reason why you would need it, so we refused to fill it.’”

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Walmart uses Georgia ‘conscience clause’ to refuse woman’s miscarriage treatment. (Original Post) Snarkoleptic Apr 2015 OP
Time to hound that "pharmacist" into professional oblivion. Daemonaquila Apr 2015 #1
I'd much rather "punch up" than "punch down" to resolve somthing like this. Snarkoleptic Apr 2015 #4
I halfway disagree . . . MrModerate Apr 2015 #19
Power-tripping...yes, most certainly, but Snarkoleptic Apr 2015 #22
Power trip is right. Pharmacist didn't even mention 'conscience clause,' just opinion of med use. Panich52 Apr 2015 #30
The Doctor Determines Need Sparhawk60 Apr 2015 #33
That is Not Possible AndyTiedye Apr 2015 #31
Bringing down some right wing pharmacist is punching up. ncjustice80 Apr 2015 #32
she should pull all her perscriptions from that store immediately dsc Apr 2015 #2
Do they carry the drug? yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #3
It sounds like they do dsc Apr 2015 #5
If the conversation with the pharmacist is accuately depicted, then yes. Snarkoleptic Apr 2015 #6
Even then, pharmacies usually offer to order in a drug they don't stock. LeftyMom Apr 2015 #11
well, that is what an ethical, non-religious nutbar pharmacist does. niyad Apr 2015 #12
the pharmacist does not get to override the DOCTOR!! niyad Apr 2015 #7
niyad speaks for me gratuitous Apr 2015 #8
And me. If you can't bear part of your job, find a different one. calimary Apr 2015 #16
+100000 gollygee Apr 2015 #18
Pharmacist playing doctor... Reason #37 I never shop at Walmart. Kip Humphrey Apr 2015 #9
it isn't just wal-mart, though. these damned fundie pharmacists are all over the place, and niyad Apr 2015 #10
Playing Doctor? More like playing God. Kber Apr 2015 #36
Clearly, the ‘conscience clause’ needs to be changed. In_The_Wind Apr 2015 #13
Everyone should move their perscriptions from Walmart A Little Weird Apr 2015 #14
Moreover, every liberal should avoid Walmart whenever possible. Snarkoleptic Apr 2015 #25
I have been boycotting wally world for nearly twenty years. you could not GIVE me the entire niyad Apr 2015 #34
Reason #72953 not to go to Walmart. progressoid Apr 2015 #15
K&R! Omaha Steve Apr 2015 #17
The only time a pharmacist has any business questioning a prescription is dflprincess Apr 2015 #20
I'm visualising the retort, in a monotone with vacant eyes... Snarkoleptic Apr 2015 #23
I am open to the option of an "exorcism" to remove Jeebus. ManiacJoe Apr 2015 #27
god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god god blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #21
Bullshit, the corporation needs to be called out on this.. mountain grammy Apr 2015 #24
Does Walmart serve the public? How is it legal for them to refuse to fill a prescription? still_one Apr 2015 #26
The law contains the "conscience clause". ManiacJoe Apr 2015 #28
So can the conscience law also discriminate with regard to religion and race? still_one Apr 2015 #29
. . . . niyad Apr 2015 #35
 

Daemonaquila

(1,712 posts)
1. Time to hound that "pharmacist" into professional oblivion.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 09:30 PM
Apr 2015

Ethics complaint. Publicizing her name, address, etc. Shaming her all over social media. Don't like those tactics? Time to buck up. The right wing has destroyed countless good people with that. It's time to play it right back, and start drumming these freaks out of their professions.

Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
4. I'd much rather "punch up" than "punch down" to resolve somthing like this.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 09:37 PM
Apr 2015

Attacking the pharmacist is wrong, won't get the job done and may result in some jeebus-based "go fund me" campaign, which will ensure martyrdom.
The way to get this corrected is to shame the elected officials into doing the right thing.

 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
19. I halfway disagree . . .
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 11:17 PM
Apr 2015

Based on context, it sounds like the pharmacist was power-tripping in a very personal way, and needs to be instructed about the difference between the pharmacist's role and the doctor's role.

And management needs to be whacked over the head for allowing such sanctimonious snots to bully people, apparently with their blessing.

Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
22. Power-tripping...yes, most certainly, but
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 11:31 PM
Apr 2015

what enabled this is the Georgia ‘conscience clause’.
This law must be challenged directly at it's source as this incident is merely a symptom.

Panich52

(5,829 posts)
30. Power trip is right. Pharmacist didn't even mention 'conscience clause,' just opinion of med use.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 12:33 AM
Apr 2015

If she'd asked about other meds, such as to avoid negative interaction, she'd have found out about whether or not a termination was the goal. So while Walmart may use 'conscience clause’ to defend pharma's actions, it's a false defense (as if any rational person thinks theocrats should interfere w/ people's medical decisions).

 

Sparhawk60

(359 posts)
33. The Doctor Determines Need
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 06:51 AM
Apr 2015

A thousands times this!


‘Well, I don’t feel like there is a reason why you would need it, so we refused to fill it.’”


That is the doctor's role. Once the doctor determines the need, the pharmacist fills the prescription, while insuring there are no harmful side affects from interacting with other drugs.

AndyTiedye

(23,500 posts)
31. That is Not Possible
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 02:08 AM
Apr 2015
The way to get this corrected is to shame the elected officials into doing the right thing.


But they have no shame.

ncjustice80

(948 posts)
32. Bringing down some right wing pharmacist is punching up.
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 06:31 AM
Apr 2015

She needs to be brought to personal ruin and made an example of.

dsc

(52,155 posts)
2. she should pull all her perscriptions from that store immediately
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 09:31 PM
Apr 2015

as should the rest of us. If a store carries a drug, and apparently they do carry this one, then they have no business at all giving the drug to some but not others.

dsc

(52,155 posts)
5. It sounds like they do
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 09:40 PM
Apr 2015

given that what the pharmacist said was we don't think you should have it vs we don't sell it to anyone.

Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
6. If the conversation with the pharmacist is accuately depicted, then yes.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 09:42 PM
Apr 2015
‘Oh, well, I couldn’t think of a valid reason why you would need this prescription,’
and
‘Well, I don’t feel like there is a reason why you would need it, so we refused to fill it.’
These are quotes attributed to the pharmacist.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
11. Even then, pharmacies usually offer to order in a drug they don't stock.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 09:55 PM
Apr 2015

I've had to do that twice. Nobody asked me *why* I needed it (that was my doctor's call) they only offered to get it in for me in two days.

niyad

(113,259 posts)
7. the pharmacist does not get to override the DOCTOR!!
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 09:47 PM
Apr 2015

I wasn't aware that it is the job of the pharmacist to decided whether a prescription is needed or not. especially when the "criteria" are not medically based.

this person's license needs to be yanked. these damned "conscience clauses" need to go. don't want to do part of your job? want to do something that ISN'T your job??? time to find another job, preferably in a field where you have no impact on the rest of us.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
8. niyad speaks for me
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 09:49 PM
Apr 2015

It is not the pharmacist's job to substitute his or her personal opinion for the medical direction of the doctor. If a pharmacist wants to practice medicine, hang up your smock and go enroll in medical school.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
18. +100000
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 11:13 PM
Apr 2015

"I couldn't think of a valid reason . . ."

THE DOCTOR PRESCRIBED IT !!!! That is the valid reason, and all you need to know.

niyad

(113,259 posts)
10. it isn't just wal-mart, though. these damned fundie pharmacists are all over the place, and
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 09:54 PM
Apr 2015

protected by these damned "conscience clauses".

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
13. Clearly, the ‘conscience clause’ needs to be changed.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 10:19 PM
Apr 2015



Cartrett told WGXA, “So we made the decision to not do a D&C and to get a medicine. So he said I’m going to give you this medicine, you’ll take it, and it will help you to pass naturally so that you don’t have to go the more invasive route.”

When the doctor’s office called the Georgia Walmart to fill the prescription, they were told no and were not given a reason.

http://samuel-warde.com/2015/04/walmart-pharmacist-refused-to-fill-prescription-for-woman-who-miscarried-video/

A Little Weird

(1,754 posts)
14. Everyone should move their perscriptions from Walmart
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 10:29 PM
Apr 2015

If enough people put pressure on the company then maybe they will make sure they hire pharmacists without that believe in science rather than fairytales. Obviously their are lunatic pharmacists at other institutions too but Walmart has a big enough influence that they could make a difference if they change their policies. I know that's hoping for a lot from the evil empire . . .

Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
25. Moreover, every liberal should avoid Walmart whenever possible.
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 11:58 PM
Apr 2015

For some, a boycott is not an option, but anyone who has the means, a full tilt Walmart boycott should be a no-brainer.

niyad

(113,259 posts)
34. I have been boycotting wally world for nearly twenty years. you could not GIVE me the entire
Tue Apr 14, 2015, 11:06 AM
Apr 2015

contents of that evil place.

and yes, I do know that in some areas, people really have few, if any, other options. my heart breaks for them.

dflprincess

(28,075 posts)
20. The only time a pharmacist has any business questioning a prescription is
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 11:26 PM
Apr 2015

when s/he knows the patient has been prescribed a drug that does not mix with other ones the patient is taking.

Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
23. I'm visualising the retort, in a monotone with vacant eyes...
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 11:35 PM
Apr 2015

"I didn't refuse to fill the scrip, Jeebus did this through me."

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
24. Bullshit, the corporation needs to be called out on this..
Mon Apr 13, 2015, 11:49 PM
Apr 2015

formal complaints, whatever. Pharmacists who won't do their job should be fired.

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