Nasty, sexist posts. Why, dear God, why? n/t

[pnwmom]

[UtahLib]

1. Good question. nt

[sheshe2]

2. Because they can.

Because they will. Expect to see a lot more of it. Women are not always well respected here and that is just sad.

[hopemountain]

7. the more they attack hillary, the

more women will stand with her & other pro-women candidates.

enough is enough, for me. no going back, now - not to the 90's, 80's, 70's, 60's, 50's, 40's, or any further back. our mothers and grandmothers and their grandmothers before them all paid with their lives and endured misogyny and being treated as property, denied the vote, equal pay, leadership positions, and worked 24/7 to raise their kids and work ~ all for us women to be where we are now. we are not quite there, yet - i'll be damned to take one step back, nor tolerate women being shamed for being women.

the current gop meme is to attack hillary's age, her "fragility", mental state, etc., etc.. these attacks will backfire.

[sheshe2]

9. you are right, hopemountain.

the more they attack hillary, the more women will stand with her & other pro-women candidates.

enough is enough, for me. no going back, now - not to the 90's, 80's, 70's, 60's, 50's, 40's, or any further back. our mothers and grandmothers and their grandmothers before them all paid with their lives and endured misogyny and being treated as property, denied the vote, equal pay, leadership positions, and worked 24/7 to raise their kids and work ~ all for us women to be where we are now. we are not quite there, yet - i'll be damned to take one step back, nor tolerate women being shamed for being women.

I stand against the past and I stand for the future. I have nieces and a grand niece. I want it better for them. They don't deserve this anymore than we did.

I stayed noncommittal until she announced, yet I am 100% for her.

[joshcryer]

18. My uber conservative mom went from bashing Hillary...

...the day she announced to supporting her the next day.

She has a lot of FB conservative friends and literally in the span of one day she was saying some really nasty stuff about HRC but decided she likes HRC now. It shocked me and I kind of want to know what her FB friends said (she's a FB junkie, has a few hundred friends).

I think HRC got bashed to death and my mom just got tired of it and said "screw it, I like HRC." People don't like it when people bash someone unnecessarily. My mom now wants to go to HRC's inaugural. I said "we'll see!" She's 69 so I think if HRC gets elected I owe it to her.

The overnight change was extremely surprising to me. She's bashed HRC and Obama for years.

[Cha]

20. Wow.. that is interesting, josh. I can relate to your Mom as far as the gratuitious Hillary

bashing is concerned.

Oh well, she still has President Obama!

[joshcryer]

22. I've won her over on "Obama stuff" before.

Obamacare got her significantly lowered Medicare fees and got her some surgeries she needed (cataracts). When I point it out she rolls her eyes and says "thanks Obama" but you can see a glint in her eye and she appreciates what I'm saying. I'm not making excuses for her, but she came from a pretty different era, and so it's hard for her to change. So she supports Obama on a lot of things but still makes a snarky remark here or there.

Last one was when Obama improved Cuba relations, she mocked it, and I pointed out that my dad said that "he'd never see it in his lifetime" (he died in '96) and then she admitted that it was a pretty impressive thing.

But yeah, she's still a super conservative type of person and I've on many occasions thought to myself "mom, no, don't say that" but I can't hate her or whatever. She's almost 70. Times are different. It amazes me she uses internet a lot and she knows I post on here but I don't think she searches my posts... but yeah.

Love you mom if you're reading this. We have our disagreements.

[Cha]

24. Good to know.. mahalo, josh!

We'll see how this primary and GE goes.. Main thing We WIN the White House Again! thanks Obama!

[joshcryer]

26. Mahalo!

Let it be said I'm not solid on Hillary Clinton at this point and I hope Sanders runs (and may back off of defending Hillary so much; just dislike the undeserved hate). Warren would actually be even more amazing, but I don't see that happening.

I just refuse to bash Democrats because we need them, my mom needs them, even if she's conservative on a lot of issues. And we won't win unless the Democratic candidate embraces Obama's policies (which HRC is doing so far).

Obama has laid the foundation for health care (ACA) and foreign policy (Iran, Cuba) and even arguably economics (Dodd-Frank) for the next few decades. I consider him a great President and I know historians will as well. The pundits are just out of touch. So out of touch.

[Cha]

28. So many feel this way.. "And we won't win unless the Democratic candidate embraces Obama's policies"

We've already seen how the other approach of running from the President worked in 2014. He's at 50% now and I don't see that falling much.. hey maybe it will rise. He has laid out solid foundations!

Nerdy Wonka @NerdyWonka
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http://theobamadiary.com/2015/04/12/democrat-or-republican-obamacare-has-your-back/#comments

[joshcryer]

32. +1

Been glad HRC isn't trying to distance herself. I've said it would be a mistake and I'd dislike it if she did so. Obama has done great things.

[pinboy3niner]

25. Good for your mom, josh!

[joshcryer]

27. pinboy3niner <3

She really surprised me today (well, yesterday). Couldn't stop talking about it. One of my brothers is gay and she's been as supportive as she can be, but when I asked her about the gay couples in Clinton's video she didn't bat an eye and said she didn't care. I almost cried.

[Cha]

29. ..

I bet.. how sweet! So much progress

[pinboy3niner]

30. I hear you

I always expected that my big brother, the ex-Marine, would be very conservative. It was only many years after I returned from Vietnam that I learned he had written angry letters to warhawk politicians about Vietnam and had written antiwar poetry. While his two younger brothers were serving together in Vietnam.

My former jarhead big brother is one of the most flaming Liberals I know, LOL!

[joshcryer]

31. Love it!

[pnwmom]

38. Hopefully when people your Mom's age and younger hear what the Rethugs plan to do

with Social Security and Medicare they'll all flock to Hillary's side.

[joshcryer]

40. My mom is 100% behind "Obamacare."

She has literally said "Obama saved her sight." She may be an uber conservative, but she won't deny the good. She can't.

[MADem]

33. Not just women, either. I think anyone with a sense of decency and fairness would be appalled at

some of the commentary that's being flung around. And I'm sorry to say I've seen some of it right here on (cough) "progressive" (cough) DU.

Some of it sounds like it's straight outta that website with the 1990s-era architecture.

[City Lights]

42. It sickens me that this shit goes on here.

I expect it other places, like Discussionist, but never expected it here.

[ismnotwasm]

3. Well

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[sheshe2]

4. Boom!

That in a nutshell.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/11073555

[ismnotwasm]

5. Yup.

Try and get them to see it.

[Number23]

6. Presuming they weren't both already, of course

Which I would think would be a very inaccurate assumption.

[ismnotwasm]

8. True that

It's all through the lens of privledged focus

[sheshe2]

10. It goes hand in hand.

Sadly they are on they wrong side of history every damn time.

[Cha]

21. We knew it was coming.. great illustration, ismnotwasm.

[Novara]

35. All the racial crap thrown at Obama will be sexist crap thrown at Hillary

Count on it. We're gonna see misogyny like you won't believe.

[Hekate]

11. Looking thru this thread I see a number of friends, & what I say is...

If it had not been for the unrelenting attacks on Hillary HERE AT DU, up to and including lies, distortions, half truths, and really sexist shit -- if it had not been for all that right here, I would not have jumped to add Skinner's avatar to my posts within 10 minutes of seeing it.

I've had it up to here.

[eridani]

13. Can't figure out what's sexist about not liking TPP, Keystone XL or the Iraq war

Is it sexist to want Elizabeth Warren as the first woman president for her proposals to re-regulate the too big to fail banksters?

[Hekate]

14. Please. Where did I specify those things as sexist? Disingenuous.

[eridani]

15. You are, however, ignoring the policy discussions entailed by Clinton's candidacy n/t

[sheshe2]

17. Well...

You are ignoring the fact that Warren is not running. She said so. Many times, she has said so. I find it sexist that a woman is not taken at her word. And yes, there have been posts trying to bully her.

The woman said no. Believe it.

[Adrahil]

36. Not everyone who opposes Clinton is doing the bullshit stuff. But many are.

And frankly the vitriol directed at Clinton is at almost comical levels. I don't support every Obama position, but I am DAMNED glad he is our President, and I'm very proud of what of what he's accomplished. I expect to feel the same about Clinton. I won't support every position she has, but is expect I'll agree with at least 75% of them. And she'll win this thing if we don't destroy ourselves with in fighting. That doesn't mean you can't support another candidate in the primaries. But keep it civil, and support her in the generals and we'll stop the Teahadist push for the White House.

[pnwmom]

37. You are ignoring the OP about her hair that led to this.

I haven't seen anyone object to policy discussions. It is when the conversation descends to attacks on her appearance or femininity -- cracks about her hairstyles or "cackles" -- that some DUers reveal misogyny and sexism.

[eridani]

48. I commented on that thread that the hair schtick was seriously stupid

Something to the effect of little minds wondering where the turds go when you flush. I totally abhor the focus on trivia and personality--when it's sexist and even when it isn't.

[pnwmom]

49. Well, that's the OP I was alluding to. I agree it was seriously stupid.

And I have no problem with any of your well-thought out criticisms of HRC. I haven't seen you ever make the kind of cracks I'm talking about.

[ismnotwasm]

41. The OP is about sexist posts

Legitimate criticism is not sexist. Disliking her policies is not sexist. Making sexist references to criticize her is. The thing is, since Senator Clinton is a woman, there is going to be a lot of misogyny coming up. Even her honest detractors are going to have to wade through the stink of it.

[NCTraveler]

50. You truly haven't seen sexism directed toward Hillary here?

The only way you can claim to be honest in your reply is if you state you haven't. I don't see how anyone here can claim to have not seen sexism directed toward her.

[joshcryer]

19. I saw it coming a mile away.

But I reserve my caucus vote for another candidate that is more palatable. If one emerges. Sanders is the only one I can think of who wants to run or is indicating so.

[cwydro]

12. ...

wondering why it's still there.

[pinboy3niner]

16. ...

[cali]

23. Yes, there are sexist posts, and it's inexcusable. Not as bad, but still irritating

are people saying stuff like "it's sexist to call Hillary, Hillary".

[DonCoquixote]

34. We both know they have NOTHING else

Yes, some of us Democrats can question an actual IDEA or ACT of Hillary, but the GOP cannot, because they would then have to admit that what they would have done instead of Hillary is twice as stupid. It is a formula that works alsmost as precitbaly as Physics, whatever idea Hillary has, the GOP will have one twice as deadly and destructive. GOP equals Hillary's negatives times two, or GOP= -Hillary x 2.

[arely staircase]

39. that post was on roughly the same intellectual level as Steve Dooooceeeee and the team at Fox and

Friends

[geek tragedy]

43. What did I miss? nt

[pnwmom]

47. It was eminently missable:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6500857

[snooper2]

45. I don't know why you are asking god here, his internet has been shut off for months

cheap bastard won't pay the fucking bill