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I'm making this thread in response to all the negative things said on this site about Bill and Hillary. Now, I'm not saying he's perfect, he's certainly made mistakes, and no, I don't agree with every single one of his policies, but OVERALL, he did a good job. I understand that he's "moderate" and all that (so are JFK and Obama), but none of that matters when you did an overall good job. Now, I shall list the pros and cons of his administration.
PROS:
Created 22 million good-paying jobs, made it illegal for governmental agencies to not allow people inside their buildings if they are LGBT, welfare reform, connected over 12 million American schools to the internet, was a good speaker, cut military spending, raised taxes on the wealthy but cut them on the poor, increased funding for AIDS research, increased funding for education, SCHIP, child tax credits, Family and Medical Leave Act, increased minimum wage by 20%, welfare-to-work tax credits, increased food stamp benefits, Americorps, increased science education funding, increased spending for college aid programs, GEAR UP college preparation programs
CONS:
Supported the death penalty, personal sexual appetite, Iraq bombing sanctions, NAFTA, DADT and DOMA
As you see, the pros far outweigh the cons. I was born in 1979, and I have no regret in saying that he is, so far at least, that he is the best president of my lifetime.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Dpm12
(512 posts)I'm just saying he isn't as bad as some on here make him out to be. He's as hated here as George W. Bush!
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)He took office just as the tech sector of the economy was maturing and presided over an economic bubble that burst just about when he left office. Meanwhile deregulation contributed to the conditions that led to the 2008 crash, and things like NAFTA and trade relations with China led to accelrated outsourcing and offshoring of industry. And welfare reform is not a "pro": http://www.thenation.com/blog/169788/clinton-touts-welfare-reform-heres-how-it-failed
Dpm12
(512 posts)And I said that NAFTA was a con.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)Clinton has no lasting legacy, and some of the things he did comtributed to things becoming a lot worse later. He's basically the Democratic Calvin Coolidge.
pnwmom
(108,959 posts)There was no way Bill Clinton could have prevented that.
Bush tax cuts were "tinkering". The biggest driver of tax peaks and valleys are capital gains (or lack of them). Capital gains drove government revenues during the "dot bomb" era and loss of these gains by the bust (and the Enron fiasco) hurt revenues during the beginning of the Bush II era. Government revenues peaked in 2007 driven by capital gains. The horrendous deficits in the last year of Bush II and the early Obama years were driven by the total collapse of capital gains (and taxation of same). The resurgence of the stock market over the last few years (and the accompanying capital gains) have restored government revenues (by the taxes on those capital gains. Look at the charts of government revenues over the last fifty years and at charts of income (as well as share of income of the 1%). All of the peaks coincide with stock market activity. The Clinton 1993 tax increase, the Bush 2003 tax decrease, and the Obama 2013 partial tax increase have not driven government revenues enough to make a ripple in the capital gains ebbs and flows.
pnwmom
(108,959 posts)I suppose you'll also say that the massive Reagan deficits were just 'tinkering."
Clinton took a number of important steps to get the economy going while bringing the deficits under control. And they weren't just tinkering.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6510044
This shows a chart of government revenue fro 1950 to date.
http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/revenue_chart_1950_2015USp_F0t
You can see that the dips correlate with the stock market rather than the tax code.
The Reagan deficits were caused by the game of chicken he played with congress in raising the defense budget and challenging congress to trim the non-defense budget. The largest Reagan tax cuts didn't take effect until 1986 (and even then they were phased in). The major tax cut in his first term was to make the top rate of unearned income the same as the top rate for earned income.
Dpm12
(512 posts)pnwmom
(108,959 posts)through a tech bubble.
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/economy/report/2011/10/28/10405/power-of-progressive-economics-the-clinton-years/
Over the course of the Clinton administration, the president and Congress agreed on a number of policies aimed directly and primarily at supporting working families to clear their path for success. They enacted:
An increase in the minimum wage. In 1996 Congress passed a 20 percent increase in the minimum wage, raising it from $4.25 to $5.15 in two steps. The wage increase boosted earnings for nearly 10 million Americans, almost half of whom were working full time. Furthermore, empirical studies conducted in the aftermath proved that there were no negative impacts on overall employment.
The Family and Medical Leave Act. The very first law that President Clinton signed was the Family and Medical Leave Act, which ensured parents could take up to 12 weeks of unpaid leave to care for a newborn or a sick relative without risking their job. Over the next eight years, more than 35 million workers took advantage of its protections. And though critics warned that the FMLA would hurt businesses, subsequent research showed that businesses had no trouble complying with the new law.
The child tax credit. Middle-class tax cuts were central to the budget deal President Clinton negotiated with Congress in 1997. The child tax credit included in that deal directly reduced a familys income tax bill by $500 per eligible child. This was estimated to direct between $16 billion and $19 billion a year in tax benefits to families with children.
The Clinton administration also saw that they could grow the economy by opening up the middle class to everyone willing and able to take on the responsibility of work. To that end, Congress and the administration promoted smart labor market policies that included:
An expanded earned income tax credit. The EITC offsets federal income taxes, and for many low-income workers, portions of their payroll taxes as well. The EITC increases as earnings increase, up to a point, so it encourages additional work. In 1993, as part of his larger budget package, Clinton and Congress expanded the EITC to give a larger benefit to working families and allow childless workers to benefit as well.
Dpm12
(512 posts)the only person to agree with me here.
pampango
(24,692 posts)would disagree with the "Democratic presidents are 'lucky' while republican presidents are 'unlucky' when it comes to how the economy does" argument.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/13/opinion/it-takes-a-party.html
Wages and employment rose under Clinton after falling under Reagan and Bush I and resumed falling under Bush II. It ain't luck.
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)/saracsm
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)Bill Clinton, compared to Nixon/Ford/Reagan and both Bush's is like comparing a Ferrari to a VW bug as to performance and speed.
The attacks of the Clinton's would have meaning if in context.
If the alternatives are intelligent people more liberal than whoever you are talking about, that is one thing.
In our world it is the opposite, I am SICK of all this Clinton bashing
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)Dpm12
(512 posts)I can't believe people who think Clinton was a good president is rare, on DEMOCRATIC Underground!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)And I would still argue he is in a completely different league than every single Republican since... jeezus, there's a lot of bad things you could say about Ike, but maybe Ike.
That said, I think Clinton's legacy hasn't held up as well as maybe I thought it would at the time.
OTOH, I think History will be far kinder to Obama than the way many people view him now. I think he has been more quietly transformative than Clinton ever was. Some of that may be a product of the times, but still.
Clinton was good, but for my money, I think Obama has been better.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)sendero
(28,552 posts)... NAFTA, "Free" trade with China, the repeal of Glass-Stegall, the end of "welfare as we know it", the passage of the Telecommunications Act (enabled media consolidation), the Commodity Futures Modernization Act (derivatives gone wild), failed Health Care reform, endless scandals. Yeah I loved him back in the day but his legacy has really tarnished my opinion of him. Perhaps he genuinely felt these changes would be good for Americans, he was wrong on every count.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Dpm12
(512 posts)Dpm12
(512 posts)but I do think that the program, at the time, needed reform.
aikoaiko
(34,163 posts)One of the few. I can't believe I have to defend Bill Clinton on DEMOCRATIC Underground
aikoaiko
(34,163 posts)I remember the unhappiness of 12 years of Reagan Bush and how Clinton tried to do something new by leading from center left.
And he is still a dependable and gifted leader in the party.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)mmonk
(52,589 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)The long term damage done due to NAFTA (and the policies that followed) is greater than the short term gains we saw.
The same can be said about his support for the death penalty since we all know that this country still convicts innocent people and some of them are put to death.
Also, "personal sexual appetite" was not the problem. It was his inability to control his appetites that caused the problems. Also the perjury. That was also a "con".
The way welfare was reformed is also a problem for me. Limiting how long people can have government assistance was a more conservative answer to the problems which existed than I can support.
The failure to pass health care reform was also a pretty big failure. Lets not forget about bombing Yugoslavia either. It isn't like Iraq is the only country he ordered strikes against. Even those pardons he handed down on his last day in office are a bit of a problem. That could have been dealt with better.
Great is not an accurate description of his Presidency. Adequate would be closer to the truth. It really is a shame that misrepresenting the administration's actions is what this forum has now sunk to.
Unless I am mistaken, most of us do not come here for spin.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)Last edited Wed Apr 15, 2015, 09:14 AM - Edit history (1)
Having Dick Morris in his inner circle along with Larry Summers et al. would go in the "con" column for me as well.
I think you're right: "adequate" is closer to the truth.
He was not my first choice in '92. I liked Harken but his campaign was a mess. I was going to vote for the Democrat in '92 no matter what, but I wasn't on the Clinton bandwagon until the night before the election. I lived in a suburb outside DC at the time and I remember watching a 20-minute commercial the Clinton campaign played on one of the local channels. They really pushed the "man from Hope" thing and showed the picture of Clinton shaking JFK's hand.
I didn't become a die-hard supporter, but the ad did convince me to give him a chance. So, although I was going to vote for him anyway, that commercial did inspire me a little to think Clinton might actually deliver on all the punditry baltherings about him overturning Reagan.:
By the time '96 came around, however, that inspiration had waned. I still voted for him (or against Dole), but I held my nose.
IMO, his presidency wasn't a disaster (that was yet to come under Cheney/Bush), but "great" isn't a word I would use to describe it, either.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Sincerely yours,
America's bankers
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)I know unemployment in the African American community was at its lowest level in a generation.
I know unemployment in the Latino community was at its lowest level in a generation.
I know African American home ownership was at its highest level in a generation.
I know the poverty level was at its lowest level in a generation...
Maybe the 5% didn't feel it as much as they should but the rest of us plebeians did.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)For the rest of us he was an embarrassment, a buffoon who gave up any progressive ideas he had and went over to the dark side after he got the snot beat out of him in the 94 midterms.
A lot of the crap pushed through by Clinton was responsible for the ginormous mess that Obama has spent seven years digging the country out of.
A lot of us stuck up for him at the time because the republicans trashed him constantly, almost as bad as they have Obama, even though a lot of the trouble he got into was his own fault. But his legacy won't stand up well over the long haul.
Great president my ass. Just another wishy washy "centrist".
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Sure, he signed an utter disaster for American jobs, made the financial crisis all-but inevitable, and signed two of the worst anti-LGBT discrimination bills into law.
But great president otherwise!
yourout
(7,524 posts)NAFTA, and GrammLeachBliley.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)Clinton settled for DADT after conservative Dems like Sam Nunn who was Chairman of the Armed Services Committee joined Colin Powell in scuttling a proposal to allow gays to serve openly.
In the absence of Don't Ask, Don't Tell, Republicans were pushing for a "marriage protection" amendment to the Constitution which would have been a lot worse... As it was a lot of Democrats supported it, including liberal icon, Paul Wellstone.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)knew that the economy was doing very good and employees could say take this job and shove it.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Repealed Glass-Steagal, thus enabling the actions that helped create and exacerbate the Bush Depression, wiping out much of the accumulated wealth of most Americans, as well as destroying many of those new jobs he 'created' when he got NAFTA through. What Clinton actually did was create an unsustainable economic bubble that allowed the rich to profit by running things up, then again when it popped.
I was born in '69, and saying someone is the 'best president in my lifetime' is setting an awfully low bar.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)was stopping Gingrich and the infamous "Contract on America." How he crushed those sweeping conservative reforms and the Republican mid-term mandate is the stuff of legends!
Are Republicans worried about a Clinton return to the White House?
You bet they are! The Clintons have the best counterpunches in the business! The "vast right wing you-know-what" (which doesn't exist, ask Barack Obama) never knew what hit them!
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)No, he adopted them, watered them down, then got them enacted. The country still moved to the right during his tenure. He did his damndest to keep Wall Street happy at the expense of Main Street.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)but your "Fractured Fairy Tale" comment is contrary to the historical record; you know, those ugly things called facts.
I am again confused by this meme that Bill Clinton was the right wing darling, yet is as hated and despised by conservatives (and you?) as any Democrat ever!
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)what is your point in calling me Monica? Please, by all means, spell it out. Do you really want to explore Clinton horrendous misogyny?
Second, being hated by the right doesn't make you a liberal, since the right pretty much hates anyone who is not of their ilk, no matter how conservative. Ask Eric Cantor.
Clinton embraced anti-gay policies and institutionalized them into DADT and DOMA, kind of the same thing that was done by mainstream racists who wanted to temper their extreme comrades, so they invented Jim Crow.
Clinton embraced corporate desire to crush wages and enhance profits by embracing NAFTA. He also relaxed FDR-era laws such as Glass-Stegall so that Wall Street could legally gamble with people's money and take outrageous risks that eventually came home to roost.
Clinton embraced "welfare reform" and got it codified into law, dooming millions to a life of hardship.
Clinton was a bad president who looked good only by comparison to his execrable predecessors and successor. He was a GOP enabler who became fabulously wealthy by throwing the poor to the wolves.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)You're telling me Bill Clinton hates women?
All-righty -- I gotta go now -- bye-bye...
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)simply wanting to have sex with women equates to respecting them?
Yeah, please be on your way!
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)Unless you were gay and harmed by DOMA/DADT, a worker who lost their job due to his trade policies, a prisoner who was executed, or one of the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who suffered/died due to sanctions, the Clinton presidency was AWESOME!
Also, you missed a few cons:
Welfare reform was really popular with the GOP and movement conservatives, though it harmed millons and set the stage for the mass gutting of the social safety net. The repeal of Glass-Stegall insured rejoicing among the 0.1% who rewarded him handsomely with jobs after he left office, though it was a major cause of the greatest global financial catastrophe since the Great Depression, causing millions to lose their homes and/or jobs.
But other than those trifling trivialities, it was all peachy.
Michael_wood
(20 posts)The most important thing to remember in all of this is that it's much easier to be an ex-president than a president, and time out of office does wonders for improving a former chief executive's image.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)hatrack
(59,578 posts)Big difference.
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)... candidates
ileus
(15,396 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)Longest economic expansion in American history
The President's strategy of fiscal discipline, open foreign markets and investments in the American people helped create the conditions for a record 115 months of economic expansion. Our economy has grown at an average of 4 percent per year since 1993.
More than 22 million new jobs
More than 22 million jobs were created in less than eight years -- the most ever under a single administration, and more than were created in the previous twelve years.
Highest homeownership in American history
A strong economy and fiscal discipline kept interest rates low, making it possible for more families to buy homes. The homeownership rate increased from 64.2 percent in 1992 to 67. 7 percent, the highest rate ever.
Lowest unemployment in 30 years
Unemployment dropped from more than 7 percent in 1993 to just 4.0 percent in November 2000. Unemployment for African Americans and Hispanics fell to the lowest rates on record, and the rate for women is the lowest in more than 40 years.
Raised education standards, increased school choice, and doubled education and training investment
Since 1992, reading and math scores have increased for 4th, 8th, and 12th graders, math SAT scores are at a 30-year high, the number of charter schools has grown from 1 to more than 2,000, forty-nine states have put in place standards in core subjects and federal investment in education and training has doubled.
Largest expansion of college opportunity since the GI Bill
President Clinton and Vice President Gore have nearly doubled financial aid for students by increasing Pell Grants to the largest award ever, expanding Federal Work-Study to allow 1 million students to work their way through college, and by creating new tax credits and scholarships such as Lifetime Learning tax credits and the HOPE scholarship. At the same time, taxpayers have saved $18 billion due to the decline in student loan defaults, increased collections and savings from the direct student loan program.
Connected 95 percent of schools to the Internet
President Clinton and Vice President Gore's new commitment to education technology, including the E-Rate and a 3,000 percent increase in educational technology funding, increased the percentage of schools connected to the Internet from 35 percent in 1994 to 95 percent in 1999.
Lowest crime rate in 26 years
Because of President Clinton's comprehensive anti-crime strategy of tough penalties, more police, and smart prevention, as well as common sense gun safety laws, the overall crime rate declined for 8 consecutive years, the longest continuous drop on record, and is at the lowest level since 1973.
100,000 more police for our streets
As part of the 1994 Crime Bill, President Clinton enacted a new initiative to fund 100,000 community police officers. To date more than 11,000 law enforcement agencies have received COPS funding.
Enacted most sweeping gun safety legislation in a generation
Since the President signed the Brady bill in 1993, more than 600,000 felons, fugitives, and other prohibited persons have been stopped from buying guns. Gun crime has declined 40 percent since 1992.
Family and Medical Leave Act for 20 million Americans
To help parents succeed at work and at home, President Clinton signed the Family and Medical Leave Act in 1993. Over 20 million Americans have taken unpaid leave to care for a newborn child or sick family member.
Smallest welfare rolls in 32 years
The President pledged to end welfare as we know it and signed landmark bipartisan welfare reform legislation in 1996. Since then, caseloads have been cut in half, to the lowest level since 1968, and millions of parents have joined the workforce. People on welfare today are five times more likely to be working than in 1992.
Higher incomes at all levels
After falling by nearly $2,000 between 1988 and 1992, the median family's income rose by $6,338, after adjusting for inflation, since 1993. African American family income increased even more, rising by nearly $7,000 since 1993. After years of stagnant income growth among average and lower income families, all income brackets experienced double-digit growth since 1993. The bottom 20 percent saw the largest income growth at 16.3 percent.
Lowest poverty rate in 20 years
Since Congress passed President Clinton's Economic Plan in 1993, the poverty rate declined from 15.1 percent to 11.8 percent last year the largest six-year drop in poverty in nearly 30 years. There are now 7 million fewer people in poverty than in 1993. The child poverty rate declined more than 25 percent, the poverty rates for single mothers, African Americans and the elderly have dropped to their lowest levels on record, and Hispanic poverty dropped to its lowest level since 1979.
Lowest teen birth rate in 60 years
In his 1995 State of the Union Address, President Clinton challenged Americans to join together in a national campaign against teen pregnancy. The birth rate for teens aged 15-19 declined every year of the Clinton Presidency, from 60.7 per 1,000 teens in 1992 to a record low of 49.6 in 1999.
Lowest infant mortality rate in American history
The Clinton Administration expanded efforts to provide mothers and newborn children with health care. Today, a record high 82 percent of all mothers receive prenatal care. The infant mortality rate has dropped from 8.5 deaths per 1,000 in 1992 to 7.2 deaths per 1,000 in 1998, the lowest rate ever recorded.
Deactivated more than 1,700 nuclear warheads from the former Soviet Union
Efforts of the Clinton-Gore Administration led to the dismantling of more than 1,700 nuclear warheads, 300 launchers and 425 land and submarine based missiles from the former Soviet Union.
Protected millions of acres of American land
President Clinton has protected more land in the lower 48 states than any other president. He has protected 5 new national parks, designated 11 new national monuments and expanded two others and proposed protections for 60 million acres of roadless areas in America's national forests.
Paid off $360 billion of the national debt
Between 1998-2000, the national debt was reduced by $363 billion the largest three-year debt pay-down in American history. We are now on track to pay off the entire debt by 2009.
Converted the largest budget deficit in American history to the largest surplus
Thanks in large part to the 1993 Deficit Reduction Act, the 1997 Balanced Budget Act, and President Clinton's call to save the surplus for debt reduction, Social Security, and Medicare solvency, America has put its fiscal house in order. The deficit was $290 billion in 1993 and expected to grow to $455 billion by this year. Instead, we have a projected surplus of $237 billion.
Lowest government spending in three decades
Under President Clinton federal government spending as a share of the economy has decreased from 22.2 percent in 1992 to a projected 18.5 percent in 2000, the lowest since 1966.
Lowest federal income tax burden in 35 years
President Clinton enacted targeted tax cuts such as the Earned Income Tax Credit expansion, $500 child tax credit, and the HOPE Scholarship and Lifetime Learning Tax Credits. Federal income taxes as a percentage of income for the typical American family have dropped to their lowest level in 35 years.
More families own stock than ever before
The number of families owning stock in the United States increased by 40 percent since 1992.
Most diverse cabinet in American history
The President has appointed more African Americans, women and Hispanics to the Cabinet than any other President in history. He appointed the first female Attorney General, the first female Secretary of State and the first Asian American cabinet secretary ever.
That's why he left office with an approval ratings in the high 60s:
and why he remains America's most popular living president:
fadedrose
(10,044 posts)that was the cause of the giant deficit of 2000 Obama had to fix immediately on taking the White House, with a big bailout that Warren still thinks people should have put people in jail who got the money. Today those banks are bigger than before the "crash."
It's the biggest thing that happened, and in my mind, overshadows everything. I also blame the MSM for not telling us more about it.
I call it the Glass-Seagull bill, because I don't feel like looking it up. It was up for renewal in 98 or 99 I believe, just guessing. It was the bill that kept the greedy bankers in check and without it, they were free as birds to peck at everyone's feeder. Bill did not renew it to the joy of Wall Street.
And NAFTA gave us the short end of the stick. It was a Republican idea that did not benefit us in any way, and I hear that it didn't benefit South America either. You should have heard the moaning and bitterness of those affected by crockery, textiles, and all kinds of products, both the manufacture and the selling of. Cutting welfare was not a "pro" if you were living on it. This was the beginning of the 99%'s downfall.
I cheered him when he left office only because I was happy that the Republican hit squad failed to put him out of office over a consentual relationship that caused him to lie under oath, like most husbands would have done.
And when he called for bombing I think in Yugoslavia, not sure, maybe it was connected to one of our ship's being fired at, or an African country where our troops were marched thru the streets, whatever, nobody believed him because he had lost his credibility over things like Flowers, and a bunch of other females (including a lawsuit from one of them) whose names are unimportant. He was accused of calling for bombing to "change the subject" of the women, and the bombing was really a good thing.
You are young, and I must give you a lot of credit for taking an interest in these things. The year you were born is close to my actual age .Please keep it up and don't let my harping limit your interests in politics. You are the future.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)of the highest caliber, no question about that whatsoever.
It just so happens, though, that I see your 'cons' as being far more serious, and so I'd consider him a very good president, but certainly no FDR or Abraham Lincoln.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)NM_Birder
(1,591 posts)But I have no respect for someone who can look me square in the eyes and lie, over and over and over again. He cheated on his wife, it's not like that hasn't happened before in the white house.
His political savvy and leadership is not what sours my opinion of him, that fact that he is a serial cheater, and lies so well about it, makes him no better than any other lying womanizing cheater. But his resume is much more impressive than the run of the mill cheater.
I do have a complaint, NAFTA was as big a sucker punch as CAFTA, and TPP is about to be.
bullwinkle428
(20,628 posts)succeeded him.
Rex
(65,616 posts)And I've never forgiven either group for it!
Glass-Steagall alone did not cause the financial crisis of 2007