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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBernie Sanders: Every candidate for president must answer the following questions...
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)since they are the 1%.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)how all the candidates avoid answering the question. That could be some Olympic-level gymnastics.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)among some other Dems, have already answered them. The answers are easy, so I'm not sure what way anyone could answer them in an evasive way.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)politics/positions.
Takket
(21,555 posts)That is the standard answer... as said "job creator" proceeds to write out a check for 40 hours @ minimum wage to a worker who promptly turns around and applies for welfare from the Federal government because they still don't have enough money for food and rent.
Flatulo
(5,005 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Takket
(21,555 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)The one percent, the Koch Bros, the Wall Street banksters, none of them have any plans to change the status quo in our favor, if anything they are working day and night to pile more misery on the 99%.
Bernie asks the question, and if enough of us repeat it and yell about it, the likely candidate, Hillary, may actually address it.
We have to make her believe that there are consequences, ONCE ELECTED, in ignoring us.
It can be done
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)winner...and take Julian Castro with her as VP. That will make a difference. I think she's getting the idea that we're not to be sidelined any longer.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)Get 50 million democrats to each send in $20 and guess what
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)What is possible, however, is to put up a site on DU for donations...we all have some say here. But 50 million, not so much. Maybe send it to www.moveon.org. They are a great progressive non-profit.
I just wonder how many here would shell out the $20.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)will actually matter, as to this issue, then we wont do it.
Now, if the LAW was such that the ONLY way they could get money was from individuals with limits on what can be donated, then you have something
You could even allow terrorist organizations like ALEC and CATO to donate but limited to a small amount.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)they are behind Warren. Check it out. Donations are welcome there. http://front.moveon.org/
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Citizens United was like Santa Claus to the media!
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)answer? Proposing higher taxes on the wealthy? Like that would make it through Congress. Repeal the Republican-sponsored Citizen's United...that's what caused pretty much all of that.
Bernie is becoming a bit irritating. He has no economic support/background. There is zero chance of him becoming President or even the Nominee...I know, some say he could beat Hillary. Well, let him get the Nomination. If he's the Nominee, I'll vote for him amidst the Republican's cheering.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)to the pre-Reagan era.
Introduce a progressive capital gains tax which punishes speculation/day-trading and rewards savings. Start it at 90% for gains realized in less than 30 days, dropping to 5% for gains realized over 30+ years.
That would be a good start.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)in the market-place. Constantly moving it around for gain encourages speculation and speculation leads to bubbles and disaster.
By making speculation expensive (taxing it severely) people STOP speculating and invest for the long term. Companies fair better in that environment.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)That's the fly in the ointment. I like increasing the SS tax income level...that would fund SS for years. Same issue.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)and subject ALL income to it.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)of Congress. He was a Mayor, for one thing. He's been been deeply involved in economic issues for years and has proposed economic solutions. And very few people bring up the vital issues like Bernie does.
No, he doesn't stand a chance of becoming President. You seem to think that because of that he should shut up.
Ugh to the centrist defeatist corporate crap. That's what's easy.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)What's easy, is wishful thinking. Maybe what would be more useful is to take one bit at a time and not try and reinvent the almost-oligarchic system we have. We are just shades from an Oligarchy, if that, but it took us centuries to get here. I agree with everything he says, but everyone knows it's not going to happen this year...maybe by the time Julian Castro becomes President. I read the story of how his mother had to reinvent her Extremely Left background to fit into politics and taught her sons the same.
So I didn't mean to dis Bernie and can see it sounded that way...and for that I'm sorry. What I'm discussing is coming up with things the nominee can do...whoever that may be. Real Deal things. Reforming the Tax System is not likely one of them. I'd like to repeal Citizen's United, but I'm afraid that ship has sailed as well.
We're all frustrated...the further Left you get, the more so.
cali
(114,904 posts)and you seem unable to name anything specific that you think a President can or should do.
and Bernie is a very pragmatic politician. He's my Senator and I'm quite familiar with him. There's a reason he's been able to get the votes of loggers and farmers and a lot of people who wouldn't normally vote for a liberal.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)you start being specific...like tax the rich...hell just moving up the income level for SS taxes...those go Nowhere Fast.
And yes, I did mention something specific...Julian Castro in 8 years. Status quo politicians are just that. It will take raising up a generation that don't find the word "Liberal" to be a pejorative. Heck they had to change it to Progressive already. Sill not quite sure the difference. That happened during my non political decade.
Again, nothing against Bernie...and his sincerity is without a doubt. We've got to start down-ticket...that and that Hillary will run with Julian are as good as I've got right now. Rosie Castro's biography is one of being aware that she was too far Left, and made the necessary changes to get elected to public office and politically school her sons to gain the attention of the National Democratic Power.
http://library.uta.edu/tejanovoices/interview.php?cmasno=123
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)If sticking up for the working class is so annoying to you, you may consider changing your user name.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Warren hasn't gotten into policy other than staying after the Corporations. She's on a major Senate Committee...and realizes it's one step at a time.
I think everyone should have a guaranteed income, good health care and higher Social Security for retirement. And to do that we should shutter most of the so-called DOD. We stand a chance of that before we do of taxing the rich and distributing income.
It's people in power that need to "get" these things. And it's going to take time to get a Real Progressive even near the White House. I'm solid for Left of Center Julian Castro and his former Way-out-there socialist La Raza Mother, Rosie.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)You should be applauding him, not chiding him.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)ms liberty
(8,572 posts)Because he has gotten specific, very specific.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #9)
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libdem4life
(13,877 posts)and just happen to have the time today. Just do me a favor first and read my responses to my last 5 or 6 posts, if you have the time.
/s/ LibDem4Life
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Polls tell us that a majority of Americans want to raise taxes on the wealthy. That makes this issue a centrist issue, one we should win on.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)would do their bidding. Those elected aren't very interested in just willy-nilly reinventing the status quo...seeing as how that's how they got there. Simple as that.
Pretty sure all the people would like guaranteed income, lower gas prices, and lower food prices, free tickets to Disneyland, etc. But the candidates don't have the power to do that.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)That is why a candidate that would speak out in favor of a more progressive tax system would find favor with the electorate. The candidate that embraces populist issues will gain in support.
Higher taxes on the wealthy are not unachievable pie in the sky. Taxes are historically low for millionaires and billionaires in modern times. Trickle down is not popular. The Republicans even accused President Obama of engaging in trickle down policies.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Populism has not had a viable national candidate in, like Never? The House of Representatives is just that...representative of the voters in our country. You just have to count the Rs and Ds.
When "the people" do not like it, they will field and support candidates who already feel that way.
Not change their minds as Molly Ivins once said, "Dance with them what brung them." (Molly Ivins was a Texas, cowboy boot-wearin' ultra-liberal Shit Kicker" who wrote a book..."She can't say that, can she?" or something like that I have it but read it many years ago.
Down ticket isn't a sexy concept...but it's the only way.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Maybe your ideas would find more purchase in the Hillary group.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)It is time for a real progressive populist movement, but the message needs to be clear and not overly complex and it needs to be repeated over and over to drive it home into the minds of the people.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)from all perspectives seem to like to complicate it. That has turned the average would-be voter off...not out of indifference, but out of the lack of relevance to their lives. Many are working 2-3 jobs just to feed their families/extended families. Who can blame them?
The PTB thrive when it's just too complicated...got to get to work at 7:am and pick up the kids, fix dinner and drop on the couch after dishes done. Plato's Cave. I know, I've been there. What do I do?
eomer
(3,845 posts)Because of the screwed up way our system is based on money and corporate media, politicians know they can get away with empty rhetoric to fool the voters and then cater their actions to the people with the money.
Nothing will change as long as people broadly can be so easily fooled by candidate Obama vs. President Obama and now candidate Clinton. The wealthy aren't fooled, they're the opposite - they get it that the populist rhetoric from Clinton now and from Obama in 2008 is just words to get elected, that what they're buying are actions and the words are a necessary scam on the voters that they can safely ignore.
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)Nothing a politician says matters, only their record of actions.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)who is the most liberal...even if only in word.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)How the DU posters who spotlight their liberalness in their handles... are often the most consistently anti-liberal people on the board.
I wonder why that is.
I mean, who would ever think to challenge "BlueCaliLib" or "ProgNWDude4Kerry" or "LeftLibObama4eva"?
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)is what I think Liberal is all about. Always listening, thinking, agreeing or not, heck, even changing my mind with the appropriate input, but not letting Anyone tell folks what they Should Be Thinking.
That, to me, other than being champions for those who cannot champion for themselves, is what it means to be Liberal. I'm not sure what Progressive means, even after a few years of lurking and occasional posting. I had to wait until I was 21 to vote for McGovern. That's Old. So I'm doing my best to figure it all out.
Thankful to DU for the opportunity to do that...even those who take offense...absolutely none is meant.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Besides, after reading how you feel about the issues I have a very hard time believing you voted for McGovern at all.
I suggest if you don't mean to be offensive, try a little harder.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)I have only written positive things. My Sin was not being rude or personal to Bernie or any of the other upset posters.
"In March 23, 1971 a proposal to extend the right to vote to citizens eighteen years of age and older was adopted by both houses of Congress and sent to the states for ratification. The amendment became part of the Constitution on July 1, 1971, three months and eight days after the amendment was submitted to the states for ratification, making this amendment the quickest to be ratified.'
Edit: I started teaching school in 1971.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)from your.....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz We'll wake you when it's time. Oh, and I'm not invested in HRC, just waiting for the political cycle to start.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)insulted. In fact, I stand up for someone's right to be insulting or snarky...what the heck. Beats getting angry or upset. One thing I haven't mastered is the one sentence zingers on here. Even in my family, we had discussions and exchanged ideas.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)questions.
What could possibly be irritating about asking people who are asking us to give them some pretty important jobs, to answer a few simply questions?
Do you think we should not question our politicians?
He's a great Senator, why do you think there is no chance he could become President? He speaks the TRUTH. About every issue of imporatance especially to Dems, and across the political divide on many issues.
Is speaking the truth a deterrent to becoming President?
A lack of Corporate Money is the ONLY deterrnet to Bernie, Warren, Sherrod Brown, among other great Dems becoming President.
And that is also the truth. Which raises another question, should we trust anyone who CAN raise the appropriate amount of money, now we are told, approx 2.5 BILLION dollars? Who would they be working for?
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)right as I've brought that up many, many times...that's pragmatic. We, as people, can't go ten minutes without needing a corporation to provide services and goods. That's a fact. Same is true for politicians...and I covered this in an earlier post here.
I don't do Pie in the Sky. Sorry. Like saying never work for or buy anything from a corporation. Good luck with that. It's just that it gets to be a bigger necessity the higher one goes up the political ladder. I hadn't heard 2.5 billion. I know last time is was 1 billion.
Of course we all know that it was Citizen's United that make this possible.
The last sentence ... perhaps brighter minds than mine can answer the question...and it is a good one. There is a difference between party platforms and platitudes. Frankly, we are not far from Oligarchy...I've also stated that.
Good luck to us all...we're going to need it.
Peace out.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)changed, so they work within that framwork to get the best possible results.
I agree with you that we have mountains to climb (my interpretation of what I think you are saying) to overcome the hurdles that have been built over decades to create the situation we are now in, where Corporations rule and money talks.
However where we disagree, and correct me if I'm misunderstanding you, is that we don't have to simply accept the situation.
Eg, so long as we are told that this is a democratic nation where people have rights, we have to assume that there are things we can do to combat corporate influence.
I agree we can't avoid everything that is Corporate controlled, but we can avoid some things. Eg, I don't buy products I know are produced by the Kock Bros. That isn't going to break them, but at least it isn't supporting them as I was doing before I know they were profiting from certain products I was buying.
So, in every way we can, no matter how small at first, it IS possible to begin the process of rebuilding a society that isn't dependent on Corporations, IF everyone participates even in a small way.
I don't believe it is 'pie in the sky' eg, to go along with the notion that the people have power, even if most of it has been taken away.
Giving up completely isn't an option imo.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)someone who sees an idea or situation fairly starkly and without emotion, then moves to the next logical step...a Plan, and then to take an action. Then it moves into Realism. I think that's where many of us, me included, are frustrated. What to do.
I do see Hillary as our best chance...at this moment in time. She or whomever gets the nomination, will go a long way, IMHO, to get Elizabeth and Bernie's expertise, experience and ideas out of the Democratic Fringe, and into the mainstream. It may not be until after the Primary, but I don't think either are looking to run, and a vibrant Democratic party needs a vibrant Left.
The next actionable event, I want to see Julian Castro as VP Candidate. That's setting Democrats up and steering toward the Liberal/Progressive left and securing the majority of Hispanic voters for years to come. Also, it puts Texas in play...maybe not purple yet, but in play.
To me, these are reasonable things that can happen...this year...and I'm sure there are more.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)years. A dollar here or there will not even scratch the surface. We must fight and can win by the way for things like a living wage(Seattle passed a $15/hr wage), and not only protection of social services but an increase in spending for social services.
ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)Note: pretending that Congressional Republicans will roll over and play dead, instead of rolling on the floor laughing at you, is not an acceptable answer, Bernie.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)If all candidates answered the questions posed, that would do what's commonly referred to as Starting A National Conversation. Please provide the rationale for your attempted invalidation of the notion. Thanks.
ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)I'm interested not in how well someone engages in fire-and-brimstone rhetoric, but what skills they have to actually govern, not to mention the art of winning elections, which means convincing people that they can generally represent the country well.
But by all means, if you think these questions are going to get you a real "conversation", you can go to the Discussionist, post the same slide, and get all the "conversation" from all the "Obama is the second worst president, second only to Lincoln" teabaggers, and see if you can get their vote for Bernie. (You might have some success in getting them to lie about it - they're scared shitless of Hillary.)
It may not be a "national" conversation, but it would be a "website" one.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
okaawhatever
(9,461 posts)to be done? How will you go about getting the legislation passed?
It's sad when your candidate viability test can be answered by Romney with a yes for all 3 questions and it doesn't change his platoform one bit.
Thinking doesn't change laws. Action does.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)gotten us into this mess. Conservatives want to cut retirement, foodstamps and Social Security. Conservative Democrat is really a contradiction of terms.
ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)...why do you insist on smearing the other side of the party with your lies? Hell, not even the majority of Republican voters are in favor of cutting Social Security.
Insofar as your tired arguments about oxymorons, again I always need to remind you that there are more "Conservative" Democrats than there are "Very Liberal" Democrats (which is the constituency of the D.U.)
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)conservatives. Same goes for cutting Social Security. Here's what a leading conservative, Alan Simpson, had to say: "Former Sen. Alan Simpson (R-Wyo.) demanded cuts in Social Security Wednesday"
The "reality" is that conservatives support big business and progressive support the 99%.
ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)"Former Sen. Alan Simpson (R-Wyo.)". You clearly can't distinguish between the letter R and the letter D.
Look at item #1 on this list, and see if it might apply to you.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)The conservative agenda is all over the internets and clearly states they want to balance the budget on the backs of the poor, our vets and seniors.
I know that Sen Simpson is a Republicon, but I still may need to get my eyes checked.
Focusing on Democrat vs. Republicon is a distraction. The class war is between the 1% supported by conservatives and the 99% supported by progressives.
We are in the mess we are today because the last 40 years of conservative policies.
Here is a conservative group discussing the conservative agenda http://heritageaction.com/agenda/
Here's another site telling us what the conservative agenda is: http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/garry/111216
ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)...maybe Democrats and Republicans seem exactly the same to you. So you can ascribe the statements made by extremists in the Republican party to Democrats with a straight face.
But for the vast majority of people who consider themselves liberal Democrats, they like Hillary just fine.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Again go for the strawman. Anything to change the discussion.
I said the class war is between the 1% supported by the conservatives and the 99% supported by the progressives.
Anyone can call themselves a Democrat as we've seen. It doesn't mean they follow Democratic principles.
ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)...you started quoting a Republican. When I called you on it, you doubled down on the derp.
So it's not a "stawman" to say that you have trouble distinguishing Republicans from Democrats.
Either that, or you're a disingenuous ass.
I was merely giving you the benefit of the doubt. Get your eyes checked.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)Out in the real world, she's the liberal-favorite candidate. Only in here is she very nearly a Republican.
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stonecutter357
(12,695 posts)Can someone ban this RWNJ?
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Pretending there is only one relevant question is.... irrational.
ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)Bluster and diatribe doesn't help Americans any. And that was even if I entirely agreed with the good Senator.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)I want that too.
mylye2222
(2,992 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Must be, because he has been *extremely* specific.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)to go through Congress...and right now they aren't playing nice. Obama has had to wait until well into his second term to begin to make good on promises, via Executive Order, he felt he could accomplish much sooner.
And then there is the money issue. I think any Democratic nominee knows the reality of the pocketbook and where they have to go to get it. That it insults 1/3 or so of the Party, isn't worth walking away...that's what I see. Donors are pragmatic and want to put their money on the winner. It's an unholy relationship...Bernie (and I agree) used the word Oligarchy. That's the battle. That's why I was happy to see Hillary's first appearance with middle, lower-middle class people, average working folk. Many made fun of it, but I guarantee it was well received with that part of the base she HAS to get out to vote for her.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)these questions, and should answer them on the record. I want to see their reply, unadulterated, on camera.
I think Sanders should enter the race. I for one would listen to him very carefully. I also will vote for the most progressive candidate in the primaries.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Gee, I wonder why?
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Autumn
(45,055 posts)Rec
Aldo Leopold
(685 posts)That's my ticket. And I'm sticking to it!
boston bean
(36,221 posts)Unexploded Scotsman
(50 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)malthaussen
(17,186 posts)He's right, of course, but I don't expect anyone to ask those questions, although the odd candidate might volunteer answers to one or all of them.
-- Mal
MisterP
(23,730 posts)IronLionZion
(45,426 posts)I hope he gets enough support to have his voice heard in debates and policy discussions in a way that makes Hillary earn votes from his supporters.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)IronLionZion
(45,426 posts)Why are you here?
glinda
(14,807 posts)Novara
(5,840 posts)RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)The issues of economic disparity and environmental justice are inextricable, thus, the environment along with the economy is at the very top of where our priorities.. should be.
warrenswil
(60 posts)... is: Do you support public funding for all election campaigns?
Legalized corruption on the scale we have it in the US is at the root of ALL our problems.
Without an end to campaign bribery, nothing will ever change.
questionseverything
(9,651 posts)Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)... if the People will help him.
Or, he has a chance to go down as someone who tried to help save America from itself, but was ignored.
This is a fork in the road, people.
Abbraxus
(18 posts)also each member of the House and Senate... and their response should go on their permanent record.
While we are at it... no dancing around the questions either Only Yes or No is allowed. Any dancing around will be considered a Yes to the first two and a No to the last.
Bigmack
(8,020 posts)How old is the earth...? Is it closer to 10,000 years...? or closer to 4.5 Billion years..?
"Ummmm... 10,000"
Bzzzzt.... NEXT!
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)its not going to happen as long as the minority is pushed aside and the Scotus agrees with the Majority.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)While actual policy will maintain the status quo
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Cosmic Dancer
(70 posts)blaming income inequality on Obama and their brain dead legion believe the lie.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)woo me with science
(32,139 posts)liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)There's no "real" competition.