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kpete

(71,981 posts)
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 03:30 PM Apr 2015

Orwellian police tactic that targets Black Americans for simply existing: Here's How It Works:

WEDNESDAY, APR 15, 2015 10:36 AM PDT
Police forces are detaining black "suspects" for trespassing — whether or not they actually are
JASON WILLIAMSON

Here’s how it works: Grand Rapids police officers solicit business owners in select “high-crime” neighborhoods and ask them to sign a No Trespass Letter, stating that they do not want unauthorized people on their property and that they will cooperate with any efforts to prosecute trespassers. The signed letter, valid for one year, is then placed on file with the police department and can be renewed.

So far, so good, but here’s the rub:

According to Grand Rapids police officials, the signed letter allows officers to stop and arrest people for trespassing at the business in question—even while the business is open—whenever the officer thinks the person is on the property without a “legitimate business purpose.” In other words, cops are given unrestricted discretion to decide who does and does not belong on the property of an open business, without ever talking to the business owner or any employee to find out why the person is on the property, how long they’ve been there, and whether the person is welcome on the premises.

Which raises the question: How can Grand Rapids patrol officers possibly know who is and is not a trespasser without first determining whether the business has authorized the person to be there?



grrrrrrr more:
http://www.salon.com/2015/04/15/the_orwellian_police_tactic_that_targets_black_americans_for_simply_existing/

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Orwellian police tactic that targets Black Americans for simply existing: Here's How It Works: (Original Post) kpete Apr 2015 OP
You see those private prisons must be filled malaise Apr 2015 #1
I honestly think the cops are getting some kind of reward for creative arrests dixiegrrrrl Apr 2015 #13
Clearly, the GRP are breaking the law. "Trespassing" in a public place of business is not for the WinkyDink Apr 2015 #2
Not much difference between this and the religious freedom bills. Both authorize discrimination. jwirr Apr 2015 #3
amazing the number of cockroaches rafeh1 Apr 2015 #4
AMWAY owns Grand Rapids Octafish Apr 2015 #5
This is an old tactic... BronxBoy Apr 2015 #6
and that night in the system onethatcares Apr 2015 #11
Most folks got an ACD BronxBoy Apr 2015 #12
Having been previously accosted, I already knew this...... DeSwiss Apr 2015 #7
Why would a business owner sign this? surrealAmerican Apr 2015 #8
Racist, Statist, Stupid... I'm sure there are plenty of reasons. Taitertots Apr 2015 #9
I was thinking #3 might be the main reason. surrealAmerican Apr 2015 #10

malaise

(268,881 posts)
1. You see those private prisons must be filled
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 03:32 PM
Apr 2015

and apparently there are folks who love free labor from African-Americans from the days of slavery 1.0.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
13. I honestly think the cops are getting some kind of reward for creative arrests
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 07:59 PM
Apr 2015

above and beyond their paychecks.
They seem to be very very enthusiastic in harassing as many minorities as possible.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
2. Clearly, the GRP are breaking the law. "Trespassing" in a public place of business is not for the
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 03:35 PM
Apr 2015

police to decide minus a complaint.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
5. AMWAY owns Grand Rapids
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 04:01 PM
Apr 2015

Or the DeVoss and Prince families who own Amway or whatever the scam its called now. As they've owned the town a long time, one can bet their bottom pyramid dollar their rights get preserved in GR.

BronxBoy

(2,286 posts)
6. This is an old tactic...
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 05:32 PM
Apr 2015

Giulani's NYPD filled the system with bullshit like this. The major difference is that apartment building owners were the partners many of whom were nowhere in close proximity to the buildings they owned. These no trespassing "agreements" were then combined with NYPD raids where they would flood neighborhoods and arrest anyone in or near these buildings under this bullshit rule. And if you think they stopped and asked you if you had a valid reason to be on the premises, guess again. "Show me ID to prove you live here, if not take your ass to central booking". I know people who were visiting family or friends who had to spend a night or two in the system because of this bullshit.

onethatcares

(16,165 posts)
11. and that night in the system
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 07:01 PM
Apr 2015

got them a fine and a record. which means they will always be harassed into submission.

Our country is truly fucked.

BronxBoy

(2,286 posts)
12. Most folks got an ACD
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 07:23 PM
Apr 2015

Adjournment in contemplation of dismissal. Be good for 6 months and it goes away.

But it could really fuck with your life on the here and now.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
7. Having been previously accosted, I already knew this......
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 05:47 PM
Apr 2015

...but it's good to see every American no matter who they are finally seeing how it all works. It means people are waking up. The toughest part is the realization that this is the new form that slavery takes.

- How, you ask? By enslaving ourselves to their system.



K&R

surrealAmerican

(11,360 posts)
8. Why would a business owner sign this?
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 06:28 PM
Apr 2015

It basically allows the police to harass their customers. That can't be good for business.

 

Taitertots

(7,745 posts)
9. Racist, Statist, Stupid... I'm sure there are plenty of reasons.
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 06:36 PM
Apr 2015

1) The customer doesn't know this agreement exists
2) The business owner thinks the police will only hassle {Insert stereotype}
3) Businesses are concerned that they won't receive police assistance if they refuse to cooperate
4) Business owners think the police will not misuse the authority.

surrealAmerican

(11,360 posts)
10. I was thinking #3 might be the main reason.
Wed Apr 15, 2015, 06:51 PM
Apr 2015

I wonder if even being asked means (to the business owner) that they better sign, or else.

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