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Harmony Blue

(3,978 posts)
Sun May 6, 2012, 02:33 PM May 2012

Why are Americans in the dark about the benefits of food stamps to the society as a whole?

I just don't understand why there hasn't been a push by progressives to educate people about the positives food stamps provide to the people that receive them but even much more. What I am alluding to, is that, most of the business super markets, and Wal Mart are seeing these days are coming from people on food stamps. How do I know this? These businesses openly plan their best sales and deals the first two weeks of the month when food stamp funds are available. In addition, they stagger the majority of their hourly wage shifts front loading them the first two weeks of each month, and then cutting back the rest of the month and the cycle begins once more. From the very bottom (food stamp recipients, wage worker) to the very top (JP Morgan) food stamps has been, and will be an integral way of ensuring the bottom doesn't fall out. This is why corporations are not really receptive to cutting food stamps, because there is something for them to gain as well in all of this. Republicans wanting to cut food stamps are essentially against the entire chain of economic activity from the bottom all the way to the top. My question is what can we do to empower people to be better informed?

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Why are Americans in the dark about the benefits of food stamps to the society as a whole? (Original Post) Harmony Blue May 2012 OP
May be an old feeling of embarrassment, elleng May 2012 #1
Republicans love to whip food stamp recipients because much of their base gets tumescent when... rfranklin May 2012 #2
The good news is people are starting to see truth Harmony Blue May 2012 #4
Economically, food stamps are the #1 return on investment Ruby the Liberal May 2012 #3
That's why repubs are against it. Turbineguy May 2012 #5
Amen! LASlibinSC May 2012 #8
America has been hijacked by greedy power hungry billionaires. Initech May 2012 #6
I agree, America has been hijacked by greedy power hungry billionaires. mabuhayp May 2012 #10
Lewis Black had a great bit about greed on his album "Rules Of Enragement" Initech May 2012 #13
People allow themselves to be brainwashed by... Brooklyn Dame May 2012 #7
I couldn't agree more, People allow themselves to be brainwashed mabuhayp May 2012 #11
I saw a documentary on how Fox conducts business one time. Initech May 2012 #19
The propaganda keeps people in the dark about food stamps liberal N proud May 2012 #9
Benefits of food stamps to the society as a whole mabuhayp May 2012 #12
Well, *everyone* is most flush in the first two weeks of the month. Robb May 2012 #14
um, look I'm pro-food stamps cali May 2012 #15
It's the feeling of something for nothing... TedBronson May 2012 #16
Stereotypes funded and fueled by the M$M Rex May 2012 #17
Willful ignorance. nt Mnemosyne May 2012 #18

elleng

(130,731 posts)
1. May be an old feeling of embarrassment,
Sun May 6, 2012, 02:36 PM
May 2012

most not familiar with people who needed or used food stamps, and some of the 'us vs. them' mind-set.

 

rfranklin

(13,200 posts)
2. Republicans love to whip food stamp recipients because much of their base gets tumescent when...
Sun May 6, 2012, 02:37 PM
May 2012

they hear talk like that. They think, "Oh, those lazy bastards are taking my tax dollars and getting a free lunch!" and that's as far as their thinking goes. Even if they temselves have been out of a job for six months with no prospects.

Harmony Blue

(3,978 posts)
4. The good news is people are starting to see truth
Sun May 6, 2012, 02:40 PM
May 2012

more and more people are on food stamps and the stigma doesn't carry as much weight as it used to. I know of one particular store in a super market chain that would have been in the red if it were not for food stamp/WIC/social security customers that are regulars. People on fixed income providing the basis of a safety net is counter intuitive. But we must find a way to empower people with this simple knowledge.

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
3. Economically, food stamps are the #1 return on investment
Sun May 6, 2012, 02:40 PM
May 2012

to goose the economy (unemployment benefits are second).

Bottom of the pile? Tax cuts with a negative return on the dollar.

In order to get people to understand what amounts to basic math you first have to overcome that they don't give a rip if people starve. Once you get past that initial objection, it is 2nd grade math of return # minus investment # (no algebra required).

Turbineguy

(37,291 posts)
5. That's why repubs are against it.
Sun May 6, 2012, 02:54 PM
May 2012

Last edited Sun May 6, 2012, 03:26 PM - Edit history (1)

Getting rid of food stamps is the shortcut to harming the most people the quickest. When it comes to doing harm, republicans like efficiency!

LASlibinSC

(269 posts)
8. Amen!
Sun May 6, 2012, 03:19 PM
May 2012

I agree that the 'shame' of food stamps is on the wane. More and more middle class are becoming 'working poor'. Unions are demonized, companys are hiring part time 39hr employees to avoid benefits. By gha, if the RW is so fucking proud of their agenda,why aren't they doing backflips at the proof of their handiwork? Sanctimonious bastards. Just sayin...

Initech

(100,036 posts)
6. America has been hijacked by greedy power hungry billionaires.
Sun May 6, 2012, 03:12 PM
May 2012

Who have done a great job of turning people against their own interests using religion and hate radio about the dangers of being poor and they're the ones getting the last laugh. Until we turn the tables on them and keep exposing these traitorous scumbags for who they really are nothing's gonna change.

mabuhayp

(135 posts)
10. I agree, America has been hijacked by greedy power hungry billionaires.
Sun May 6, 2012, 03:44 PM
May 2012

I must say that I wholeheartedly agree with you! "Say it loud, I'm a Democrat and I'm Proud"
http://www.democraticpartysong.blogspot.com

Brooklyn Dame

(169 posts)
7. People allow themselves to be brainwashed by...
Sun May 6, 2012, 03:14 PM
May 2012

...those who simply do not care about their best interests. Many in the middle class vote against their own interests without stopping to think that they're no more than a paycheck or two away from disaster. There's no shame in needing support during hard times; the shame should rest squarely on the shoulders who demonise the folks who genuinely need assistance.

http://borderlessnewsandviews.com/2012/04/stealing-from-the-hungry/

http://borderlessnewsandviews.com/2012/04/the-great-divide/

mabuhayp

(135 posts)
11. I couldn't agree more, People allow themselves to be brainwashed
Sun May 6, 2012, 03:49 PM
May 2012

I must say that I wholeheartedly agree with you! "Say it loud, I'm a Democrat and I'm Proud"
http://www.democraticpartysong.blogspot.com

Initech

(100,036 posts)
19. I saw a documentary on how Fox conducts business one time.
Sun May 6, 2012, 07:05 PM
May 2012

And they literally said the goal of their op-eds is to treat the viewers like they're millionaires or going to win the lottery / going to be rich and somehow it works and gets the party to vote against things that might actually help them. You ever notice how Mitt Romney - in his speeches - never discusses anything going on the present - he only speaks in future tense. Like "we're going to be better off than our parents" and "things are gonna be better" ad nauseum.

liberal N proud

(60,332 posts)
9. The propaganda keeps people in the dark about food stamps
Sun May 6, 2012, 03:42 PM
May 2012

The propaganda makes people believe it is a hand out and is abused by everyone in the program.

Stories of people driving Cadillacs and getting food stamps are all many Americans think about food stamps.

mabuhayp

(135 posts)
12. Benefits of food stamps to the society as a whole
Sun May 6, 2012, 04:27 PM
May 2012

First of all, I want to thank you for your comments. We ALL need to continue to educate people about the positives food stamps provide to the people that receive them but even much more. In the face of Republicans talking negatively about food stamps, we need to better explain how businesses benefit from the food stamp program. I can testify to that, because I'm a business owner who accept
food stamps at my business. I will do my share to educate others.

I must say that I wholeheartedly agree with you! "Say it loud, I'm a Democrat and I'm Proud"
http://www.democraticpartysong.blogspot.com

Robb

(39,665 posts)
14. Well, *everyone* is most flush in the first two weeks of the month.
Sun May 6, 2012, 04:45 PM
May 2012

Not just SNAP recipients. Plus, figure SNAP at 45 million clients and $65 billion annually, it's a big chunk, but just WalMart has $250 billion in US sales each year.

That said, you're of course correct that no corporation wants to see any part of its sales pool dry up -- and they will never support any real reduction in SNAP. They're competing for the business like they compete for any market segment -- big signs everywhere that say "WE ACCEPT FOOD STAMPS."

As to education, there's a lot we can tell people they'd probably get wrong if they guessed. Half of recipients are children, for one. Off the top of my head, average individual benefit is something like $120/month, so no one's "getting fat off the system." Biggest racial demographic is white. Almost half of SNAP recipients are also working. And there's something absurdly low like a 1% fraud rate across the system.

It's incredibly important. And no one would dare attack it during a recession; oddly, one of the best signs of recovery is that anyone is even considering speaking out against it in public.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
15. um, look I'm pro-food stamps
Sun May 6, 2012, 04:58 PM
May 2012

Hell, I am on food stamps, but I totally doubt your claim that "most of business supermarkets and WalMart are seeing these days are coming from food stamps". If you have evidence to back that up please post it. Your conclusion that because businesses such as WalMart get their best business from those on food stamps because of how they plan their sales and deals, is not evidence. And come to think of it, that's not true of the 2 major chains near where I live- or the two independent markets. Let me add that I live in an area with a lot of folks on food stamps.

I'm not arguing with your basic premise, which I agree with; that food stamps are of benefit to the economy. I'm arguing against spurious "proof".

Lastly, I think it's impossible to "better inform" much of the anti-entitlement crowd. Their bias has more to do with their economic and political philosophies then it does from facts. Facts just bounce off these types like silly putty.

 

TedBronson

(52 posts)
16. It's the feeling of something for nothing...
Sun May 6, 2012, 05:46 PM
May 2012

... and the anecdotal stories of the use of food stamps for food and then out comes the cash for booze and cigarettes.

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