Bernie Sanders: The TPP must be defeated....

[Playinghardball]

[Maedhros]

1. Bernie understands, and speaks his mind.

Where is Hillary on this issue?

(I know, I know: she helped draft the accursed thing. But she should at least pretend to oppose it, since she's campaigning...).

[cali]

2. I suspect she'll dodge the issue assiduously until after the TPA vote

after it, I'd guess she'll adjust her response accordingly. This is a very thorny issue for her.

[Novara]

3. Does anybody know WHY Obama supports this thing?

What the hell are the positives of this? Why is Obama behind this, when it stands in stark contrast to a lot of his policy positions? Can someone explain this to me? I just can't see his logic.

[Hoyt]

4. God forbid we help other countries create decent jobs. Christ, Bernie is sounding xenophobic.

[sabrina 1]

5. That talking point isn't working. It's been used before, just FYI, remember NAFTA?

Our government's first obligations are to the workers of this country. AND unless they enforce OUR Labor Laws on these 'poor countries' you express concern over, the abuse of workers in those countries will continue, child labor, nowhere near enough pay to even provide them with enough to eat etc.

Are these issues addressed in the TPP regarding the cheap labor this 'agreement' will provide for Corporations?

Do YOU support child labor?

[rhett o rick]

6. Failed logic. There is no guarantee this agreement will create "decent" jobs for anyone.

The TPP is a corporate backed agreement. To think it will help the 99% anywhere in the world is naive at best. It's about corporate profits. Notice that not one person is trying to explain how this will help the 99%. Not one person. Apparently the Pres would rather take a chance on it failing than tell us why it is a good agreement. Instead those that won't commit themselves are busy disparaging those, like Sen Sanders, that are giving great reason to oppose.

To say that Sen Sanders doesn't want other countries to have decent jobs is untrue and a really low blow. Why are you so invested in seeing this pos passed?

[kelly1mm]

7. hmmmmm, by that 'logic' Senator Clinton by voting against CAFTA and opposing NAFTA must

be DOUBLE xenophobic, right?

[FlatBaroque]

9. Correct

The SOS gig was really tough on her.

[Elwood P Dowd]

11. And repukes in 1993 called NAFTA opponents racists. Try some new talking points

from that long list you have.

[Hoyt]

13. I suspect there were a lot of racists opposed to helping Mexico, although mostly Repubs

I would hope.

[LondonReign2]

12. Yes, the US should base its econimic policies on helping other countries first and foremost

You've used this dumb argument in other threads. It remains just as dumb here.

[Hoyt]

15. Well, for one thing, helping people in other countries to prosper will provide new markets for us.

But I don't expect you to see that far ahead, or care.

Truth is, we've sucked up more than our share of the world's wealth and resources. It doesn't bother me to give some of it back. Vietnam deserves special consideration after what we did to them.

Our median wage is more than any country, save Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Luxembourg and Australia, yet we have Democrats saying screw the rest of the world. That's acting a bit 1%er if you ask me. Sanders' statement is pitiful.

[arcane1]

16. If you need to lie to get your point across, your point is worth shit. There are no Democrats saying

There are no "Democrats saying screw the rest of the world".

Why are you pretending otherwise? Why are you damn near calling Sanders a racist because he protects domestic jobs? That's how far you have to go to defend this damn thing?

These are not the kinds of arguments one makes when one is defending something worth defending.

[Enthusiast]

25. +1 You nailed it.

[PowerToThePeople]

17. Decent jobs?

You obviously have no experience in offshore operations.

[Hoyt]

19. Folks in poor foreign countries would like a chance to improve their lot in life too.

Obviously you don't care.

[PowerToThePeople]

20. No, I do.

And I have first hand experience with US companies manufacturing on foreign soil.

There are ways to improve their standard of living. Colonizing their lands with our corporations is not a way to improve their lot.

Edit - And, the majority or the negatives of these areas are a direct result of actions which the United States has taken in regards to these areas to begin with. We destroy the countries with our MIC, then bring in our Corporations to "save" (enslave) them.

[Hoyt]

21. Agree with that.. Now it's time to help countries like Vietnam. Most don't care though.

And I'm not convinced it will hurt us.

[Change has come]

23. How are the corn farmers in Mexico doing?

Would you say their lot has improved?

[Hoyt]

24. If they gave up dirt farming and got a job at the new Audi plant or Martin guitars, yes.

[Faryn Balyncd]

8. K & R. Now is the time to defeat it. We cannot afford to be demoralized.

[deutsey]

14. +1

[Initech]

10. TPP will turn the Koch Bros into dictators and the middle class into a third world country. w

[PowerToThePeople]

18. "Free-trade" is nothing more than modern day international slave trade. n/t

[appalachiablue]

22. +1

[treestar]

26. There is nothing to back up that statement

How do we know it is true? We are always expected to simply accept the conclusion.

Which is odd because the same people will call us cheerleaders for supporting Obama, even if we have reasons.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

27. . . . and so must Hillary; she's no champion of the people. Keep speakin truth to power Bernie, WE LOVE YOU!