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So, how are the Freepers handling the Socialist victory in France... (Original Post) TheMightyFavog May 2012 OP
Well it will be Obama's fault. You watch everything is Obama's fault. southernyankeebelle May 2012 #1
Dont know for the freepers, but seems that even dems get crazy Mass May 2012 #2
These days "socialism" means in Europe what it means everywhere elst eridani May 2012 #3
Sad that when pressed even sensible people will stick to their religion and magical thinking TheKentuckian May 2012 #8
Not all liberals are democratic socialists or supporters of socialism. Starry Messenger May 2012 #9
yikes BOG PERSON May 2012 #16
here you go appleannie1 May 2012 #4
what a bunch of fucking idiots Skittles May 2012 #7
"See how well socialism works when there is a lack of "other people's money" to redistribute." HughBeaumont May 2012 #11
capitalism is all about redistributing wealth from the poor to the rich. provis99 May 2012 #14
Just curious,why wouldn't you check that yourself if you're interested? virgogal May 2012 #5
Who cares? MineralMan May 2012 #6
I'd think you'd care... fuddyduddy May 2012 #10
Former. I quit going there in 2006. MineralMan May 2012 #13
It Just Reinforces right wing Pundits' Talking Points fascisthunter May 2012 #12
I don't think people on the right care much about France or their elections RZM May 2012 #15
Go look and tell us. emilyg May 2012 #17
+1 Dragonbreathp9d May 2012 #19
France should IMMEDIATELY freeze the assets of EVERY French citizen worth over a million euros BanTheGOP May 2012 #18

Mass

(27,315 posts)
2. Dont know for the freepers, but seems that even dems get crazy
Sun May 6, 2012, 07:08 PM
May 2012

Here is Robert Reich's post today.

http://robertreich.org/post/22542609387


The Answer Isn’t Socialism; It’s Capitalism that Better Spreads the Benefits of the Productivity Revolution
SUNDAY, MAY 6, 2012
Francois Hollande’s victory doesn’t and shouldn’t mean a movement toward socialism in Europe or elsewhere. Socialism isn’t the answer to the basic problem haunting all rich nations.
...
We don’t need socialism. We need a capitalism that works for the vast majority. The productivity revolution should be making our lives better — not poorer and more insecure. And it will do that when we have the political will to spread its benefits.

Hell, I thought he had a lot more understanding of what socialism means in Europe? Why does he fear a system where the state provides a decent safety net and tries to provide for its citizens (though it is far from perfect).

I dont disagree with his analysis of the problems in the West, but his paper suggests he has no idea what the left wing parties in Europe stand for (not far from what he is asking for). This is something I would expect from the freepers, but not from him.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
3. These days "socialism" means in Europe what it means everywhere elst
Sun May 6, 2012, 07:13 PM
May 2012

A commitment to invest in public goods. Is there anyone anywhere (except for a few fringies) who thinks that the government should be making shoes instead of building the infrastructure that makes making and selling shoes and other things possible? Hoping Hollande doesn't knuckle under to the banksters.

TheKentuckian

(25,023 posts)
8. Sad that when pressed even sensible people will stick to their religion and magical thinking
Sun May 6, 2012, 08:02 PM
May 2012

There is not nor has there ever been a capitalism that works for the vast majority of people because it is a system designed from the root to benefit the few at the expense of the many.

Technological advances and increasing efficiencies will make broadly beneficial capitalism even more unworkable as time marches on and our current lifestyle (and life) funding set up leaves more and more behind.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
9. Not all liberals are democratic socialists or supporters of socialism.
Sun May 6, 2012, 08:08 PM
May 2012

That's why the Democratic Party is such a melange of economic philosophies. Liberalism is a catch-all phrase for the left in the US, but it was a philosophy that originally supported capitalism over feudalism.

appleannie1

(5,066 posts)
4. here you go
Sun May 6, 2012, 07:35 PM
May 2012

Hmmmm....we may be seeing Germans marching through Paris again in about a year. (Just kidding....)


3 posted on Sun May 06 2012 14:14:42 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) by JoeDetweiler
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To: nuconvert
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H. L. Mencken.
See how well socialism works when there is a lack of "other people's money" to redistribute.

4 posted on Sun May 06 2012 14:17:34 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: nuconvert
Watching the race between Nicolas Sarkozy and Francois Hollande reminds me of watching the race between Barack Obama and Willard Romney...


5 posted on Sun May 06 2012 14:17:34 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) by aMorePerfectUnion ("I'm comfortable with a Romney win." - Pres. Jimmy Carter)
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To: nuconvert
France just stepped off the cliff.
Can hardly wait to see the 75% taxes
take effect.


6 posted on Sun May 06 2012 14:18:42 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: nuconvert
When will they ever learn....
But then again, we are next in line.

7 posted on Sun May 06 2012 14:21:15 GMT-0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: nuconvert
Looks like France will be going the way of Greece and Spain. It’s going to get really ugly across the pond very soon.

Skittles

(153,138 posts)
7. what a bunch of fucking idiots
Sun May 6, 2012, 07:54 PM
May 2012

as usual they are completely clueless, just repeating shit they've been told by their dittomasters

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
11. "See how well socialism works when there is a lack of "other people's money" to redistribute."
Sun May 6, 2012, 08:12 PM
May 2012

One can pretty much say the same thing about post-70s Crapitalism.

 

provis99

(13,062 posts)
14. capitalism is all about redistributing wealth from the poor to the rich.
Sun May 6, 2012, 09:46 PM
May 2012

Robin Hood in reverse; essentially no different than economic feudalism, despite the claims of capitalists.

 

fascisthunter

(29,381 posts)
12. It Just Reinforces right wing Pundits' Talking Points
Sun May 6, 2012, 08:15 PM
May 2012

and their think tanks' objectives, that France is to be hated, not rejected, just hated.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
15. I don't think people on the right care much about France or their elections
Sun May 6, 2012, 09:50 PM
May 2012

To the extent there will be a RW narrative about this, my guess is that it will be:

'Europe is a mess and the election results in Greece and France show this. The EU is in a hole and they don't know how to get out - the only thing the people there know for sure is that they don't want to have to pay for it. (insert inaccurate Obama comparison).'

Dragonbreathp9d

(2,542 posts)
19. +1
Mon May 7, 2012, 01:51 PM
May 2012

I don't want to venture there with a Max Von Sydow type guide or I could loose my mind in the abyss!

 

BanTheGOP

(1,068 posts)
18. France should IMMEDIATELY freeze the assets of EVERY French citizen worth over a million euros
Mon May 7, 2012, 02:36 AM
May 2012

France should IMMEDIATELY freeze the accounts of everyone over a million dollars UNTIL they get their mandatory 75% rates in place. There are reports that the rich are leaving, along with their ill-gotten fortunes from the productive sweat of the poor, to London.

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