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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSICK SICK SICK SICK SICK woman puts arrow in cat's head - cheers on FB. And she's a vet! *GRAPHIC*
Oh Dear God what the fuck is wrong with people? The cat wasn't even feral - and had been neutered.
Here is the cat she killed - Tiger.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Statement from Washington Animal Clinic
"Dear Friends, Clients, and other interested folks. We just learned of the conduct that is discussed below. We are absolutely appalled, shocked, upset, and disgusted by the conduct. We have parted ways with Ms. Lindsey. We do not allow such conduct and we condemn it in the strongest possible manner. Please know that when informed of this we responded swiftly and appropriately and please do not impute this awful conduct to the Washington Animal Clinic or any of its personnel."
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Fucking sociopath.
Suich
(10,642 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)removed. Who do people need to contact to get that done I wonder? No one who does something like that should have a Vet's license.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)"NOTE: We have disabled comments on this story due to repetitive violations of our terms of use, including death threats made against the veterinarian."
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)never be anywhere near an animal especially as a vet.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)May that fucking @#$%^ look over her shoulder for the rest of her life.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)thinks cruelty to animals is something to lol about.
840high
(17,196 posts)Demonaut
(8,914 posts)should she die or be injured for a terrible mistake and bad judgement??
BTW I have a cat and have had many over the years, I love animals, people laugh at my empathy for animals.
but I do not think she should be hurt or killed.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Texas State Board of Veterinary Medical Examiners
Complaints Against a Veterinarian page:
http://www.tbvme.state.tx.us/Complaints.php
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Why am I not surprised?
Apologies to our many good TX DUers, but man there are some crazy freaks walking around down there.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)Texas is the only state I've lived in where I've seen communities come together to maintain feral cat groups and participate in trapping and fixing feral cats before releasing them.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)neighborhoods here. The people here have done an incredible job.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Walking around in every state. The more populous ones seem to have a higher percentage though.
Texasgal
(17,045 posts)Really?
My Mother and Aunt run one of the biggest feral cat and release programs in the country! You obviously have NO idea about Texas or Texans in general.
Paladin
(28,254 posts)This woman found out just how serious by rightfully losing her job for this ugly act.
EL34x4
(2,003 posts)Hope her student loans are paid off.
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)Go find another career, asshole.
City Lights
(25,171 posts)May this follow her for fucking EVER!
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)is never hired again.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)She is sick.
City Lights
(25,171 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)edgineered
(2,101 posts)This resident thinks the vets mistake was posting it on Facebook! For people this far removed from the concept of right and wrong there is no hope, no amount of explaining will ever educate them:
6:44 p.m.
Despite the controversy, fired veterinarian Kristen Lindsey does have supported in Washington County.
Shannon Stoddard stopped by the Washington Animal Clinic with balloons and a thank you note.
"She's amazing. Shes caring, Stoddard said. Shes a good vet, so maybe her bad choice of posting something on Facebook was not good. But I don't think she should be judged for it."
avebury
(10,952 posts)I would never take any of my pets to her or to a practice that hired her.
If she does not lose her license, the public needs to keep an eye out to see if anybody else hire her in order to institute a black ball of any practice foolish enough to hire her.
Social media can be the best tool to drive vile people like this out of business. The best reaction is to fight to get her license revoked, that no other vet practice hires her, and that people know what she has done.
edgineered
(2,101 posts)at those moments in which she identified Tiger, drew, took aim, and plotted the precise time to let fly the deadly arrow any semblance of morality or feeling was totally absent. Extending that disregard for life into a practice of medicine, well hell, I wouldn't trust her to clip the cat's nails.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)a sociopath who kills domestic animals, in this case most likely someone's pet, using a bow and arrow and then being proud of it and yes, for bragging about it on FB. But the posting of it is being judged because of the content of the post. I'm sure she has posted many other things on FB that no one judged her for, it's the act depicted in the pic you fucking moron.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)still_one
(92,183 posts)tblue37
(65,336 posts)She was like Zimmermann. She wanted a chance to kill a living creature, so she went out hunting, just like Zimmermann wanted to kill someone like Trayvon, so he went out hunting for a victim.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Update: Austin County Sheriffs office reports, We have a Deputy and a Lieutenant on the scene at this time, conducting the investigation. The dispatchers are getting bombarded with calls, according to the update. For public safety, the sheriffs office has asked the public to avoid tying up dispatch and to wait for an update in the investigation.
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2016341/police-in-texas-investigating-facebook-image-of-alleged-veterinarian-holding-dead-tomcat-first-bow-kill/#rgcczl0wRv8rVM7D.99
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Joe Mason
Does it ever amaze you how stupid people are?
Im usually not amazed, but today I woke up and had a bunch of alerts on Facebook. When I clicked on them, I gotta say, I was amazed.
A lady named Kristen Lindsey apparently posted a photo on Facebook of her holding a dead cat. Along with the photo appears a caption that reads My first bow kill lol. The only good feral Tom cat is one with an arrow through its head. Vet of the year award gladly accepted.
Pretty stupid, huh?
After the week we had where that heartless hunter posted a photo of her cuddling up next to a dead giraffe she killed was shredded all over social media, this idiot decides to do the same thing with a cat?
http://www.burlingtoncountytimes.com/news/bragging-about-hurting-a-cat-not-smart-if-you-re/article_28bbbf06-54e0-50e6-ad0b-7731f71c09c8.html
Suich
(10,642 posts)broke my heart.
I just watched a giraffe being born last weekend at the Dallas Zoo on Animal Planet.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)She should lose her license.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)jonno99
(2,620 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)I was just hoping against hope.
City Lights
(25,171 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)need to be felonies. I am speechless. Who in their right mind would shoot a domestic cat? That is one sick woman.
Poor Tiger.
RKP5637
(67,107 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)It makes it easier to find them.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)This person is a monster.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)Sweet mother of Ceiling Cat.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)The clinic where she worked even put ductape over her name.
hlthe2b
(102,234 posts)janlyn
(735 posts)would anyone with her thought process WANT to be a vet!!!
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)They need to look at her clinic records. I'm sure there is more.
tblue37
(65,336 posts)RKP5637
(67,107 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)I wonder how many other innocent pets she has purposely killed while pretending to treat them!!! She's a dangerous psychopath and I hope she gets put away from society!!!
RIP Tiger
dhill926
(16,337 posts)seriously disturbing. she needs to do time, and of course lose her license.
stage left
(2,962 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)They stay that way and get even worse with time.
Initech
(100,067 posts)ohnoyoudidnt
(1,858 posts)It is amazing how someone smart enough to earn such a degree could do something that stupid.
Initech
(100,067 posts)Killing a cat with a bow and arrow was obviously something that was planned, and she went and bragged about it on Facebook with a horribly graphic picture at that. Talk about throwing away your education.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Who would want to hire a sociopath.
Downtown Hound
(12,618 posts)It ran out in front of me and it was late at night, there was no way I could avoid it. I cried over its body, told it how sorry I was, and felt like shit for quite some time afterwards.
I can't imagine the kind of sick mind that would post a picture like that on FB after INTENTIONALLY killing one. Hope this follows her for a long time.
Liberalagogo
(1,770 posts)that the cat WAS NOT Feral!
http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/Veterinarian-Brags-About-Killing-Cat-with-Bow-and-Arrow--300293461.html
Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #35)
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sakabatou
(42,152 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)She was also condemned online by a number of people in her profession.
Larry Wallace, who said he had been a veterinarian for 40 years, said on Facebook: 'I have never in my long career heard of such an atrocious act by a member of my profession.
'This person most be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
'She took an oath to protect and heal not to killing innocent life. I will be contacting my national association about this matter as she has tarnished the profession for which she has chosen.'
Underneath the clinic's statement, Sheilah Christensen wrote: 'She needs to be in jail for animal abuse - follow your state state statutes re animal abuse. Take her license away -- my God, what did she do to the animals in her care at your clinic.'
Cruelty to animals is a Class A misdemeanor under penal code 42.092: A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly tortures an animal or in a cruel manner kills or causes serious bodily injury to an animal.
Lindsey interned at Equine Sports Medicine & Surgery in Weatherford from 2012 to 2013.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3044354/My-bow-kill-lol-Self-proclaimed-vet-year-fired-posting-picture-holding-dead-cat-ARROW-head-allegedly-hunted-animal-shot-it.html#ixzz3XcRurh9z
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LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Looks like she enjoys watching animals cut open and killed.
Sick person
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Update #4: The Texas Veterinary Medical Association released a statement about the veterinarian condemning the alleged actions of the veterinarian.
This individuals actions directly violate the veterinarians oath taken to use his or her scientific knowledge and skills for the benefit of society through the protection of animal health and welfare, the prevention and relief of animal suffering, the conservation of animal resources, the promotion of public health and the advancement of medical knowledge. We are saddened and disturbed by the unfortunate actions of this individual, and we remind Texas residents that this conduct is not reflective of the veterinary profession or of the veterinarians who strive to embody the words of the veterinarians oath every day.
The press release from the TVMA can be found in its entirety online.
http://www.pitchengine.com/pitches/4e3cdfb2-67bd-43f3-aa0a-348e938a2398
Looks like she won't have a vet license for long.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)She should get the equivalent of a lawyer being disbarred for life.
Pisces
(5,599 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)What else has this heartless sicko been up to?
Initech
(100,067 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)1) I personally have no problem with killing feral animals. They're a menace to wildlife, and to actual pets, through disease and attacks. No, this was not a feral animal, but I'm betting the woman had no way of knowing this. It looks like Sticksville out there, and mistaking a farm cat for a feral, away from the farm, is not a hard mistake to make.
2) an arrow through the head is certain to have killed the thing before any sort of pain could register. It was not a cruel death. Pretty certainly a cleaner kill than achieved by most deer hunters in the area, I'd imagine.
That said... why pose for a picture? What kind of yee-haw bullshit is that? if you're killing vermin, just kill vermin and dispose of their corpses. The Orkin man does not pose with a brace of dead rats.
I'm weirded out by that decision. but i'll hold my final judgement until I hear her reaction to finding out that this animal was someone's pet.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)You are so ignored!
GReedDiamond
(5,311 posts)...I have no one on ignore.
But I will in a minute.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Elephant runs over the human pac leader of a hunting squad.
This website (that posted condolences) and its ilk - are now, also, on my ignore/chit-list.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026528896
cui bono
(19,926 posts)missing for two days. If that is the case then how can this cat killer determine that it is a feral cat and a tomcat?
I hope she gets a huge lawsuit on her hands. If someone did that to one of my cats... boy oh boy...
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)A pet cat is not, totally agreed. A feral cat, however, is. I'm sorry but at no point is a voracious alien predator an acceptable part of the wilderness landscape.
1) The determiner is that it is a cat, without collar or tags, or any other sign of ownership, wandering the outdoors. And from the look of the area, there's a lot of "outdoors" to go around, so you can't really just assume "oh, that must be the neighbor's cat." As far as she likely knew, this was a feral out killing the local critters and spreading distemper every which way.
2) It's... well, it's really easy to tell if a cat is a tom, if they're not neutered.
Now of course, if she knew the cat... that's an entirely different thing. And she's a veterinarian, so, that's not at all impossible.
She's probably going to face more than a lawsuit - it's actually illegal to intentionally kill cats like she did. Trap-and-euthanize is permissible, but shooting them, kill traps, and the like are not (though with kill traps, it's almost impossible to prove intent.)
My advice is to keep your cats indoors. If they go outside, go outside with them, and a leash and harness. it keeps your cat safe, it keeps other people's cats safe, it keeps the local critters safe, and it keeps coyotes and raccoons from seeing your neighborhood as a buffet line.
Texasgal
(17,045 posts)First off.. Feral cats CAN be unidentified. They usually have there right ear clipped.
If she is a real vet and have concern for animals she would attest try to identify the cat! If the ear was not clipped it most likely belonged to someone or needed to get in the catch and release program.
She makes me wanna BARF!
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)And like I said, I'm creeped out by the whole "lookit what I done shotted!" posing. Even making the assumption - and yes I'm making an assumption - that she thought she was doing good, that's just... unsettling. Feral or not, it was a living creature, after all, and she's just hanging it there like a freaky toy.
I can understand where she may have been coming from. This doesn't mean i endorse her at all, just that i'm willing to offer a 'well, maybe" dvil's advocate argument.
BainsBane
(53,031 posts)It was AWFUL. They are literally like rats. I don't think people realize. They think they are like pet cats. They are not, not even like strays. There is a HUGE difference between a stray and a feral cat. That said, there should be no way a vet could mistake a pet for a feral cat since they don't act remotely similar. A feral cat doesn't come up to a person. It runs away, hides, and comes out only to hunt or scavenge. They don't act like the same species as domestic cats. I know that much, with no vet training. She should have been able to tell the difference immediately. He's also way too well fed to be feral.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Vets go out of their way to help get ferals spayed and ears clipped.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Seen a lot of "kill 'em all!" responses regarding 'scary-looking' dogs on DU that make me want to smack people with a board.
I just want to say again, i'm not advocating people go out and start killing cats. Not in the least!
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)[But you say you have no problem with killing feral animals.
46. Devil's advocate post...
1) I personally have no problem with killing feral animals. They're a menace to wildlife, and to actual pets, through disease and attacks. No, this was not a feral animal, but I'm betting the woman had no way of knowing this. It looks like Sticksville out there, and mistaking a farm cat for a feral, away from the farm, is not a hard mistake to make.
2) an arrow through the head is certain to have killed the thing before any sort of pain could register. It was not a cruel death. Pretty certainly a cleaner kill than achieved by most deer hunters in the area, I'd imagine.
That said... why pose for a picture? What kind of yee-haw bullshit is that? if you're killing vermin, just kill vermin and dispose of their corpses. The Orkin man does not pose with a brace of dead rats.
I'm weirded out by that decision. but i'll hold my final judgement until I hear her reaction to finding out that this animal was someone's pet.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I don't have a problem with it, no - feral cats, dogs, hogs, they're menaces to the environment, wildlife, and other people's pets. But that's not advocacy, it's indifference. I don't think people should go our loaded for cat. For one, no, not every animal out there is a feral, as this incident certainly proves. For another, allow me to reiterate - don't kill anything you're not going to eat. And if you have any amount of income, subsistence isn't necessary. Third, it's illegal - this woman is going to be in a mess of legal trouble, and not just from the cat's owners.
But if someone kills a feral animal, It's not going to be the end of my world.
And yes, an arrow to the head is almost certainly a cleaner kill than a bullet to the lungs (for instance - good shot in deer hunting). However, it's almost certainly pure 'luck" in this case - she could have easily hit the animal somewhere else an consigned it to a pretty awful way out. Another reason to not advocate it.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Adios.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)for millennia. There are non-socialized domestic cats. You know who else is a menace? Human Beings.
You don't even make any sense: They are a menace! But don't kill anything you 're not going to eat.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)You can add as many syllables as you like, it's still the same thing as "feral."
And yes, they are a menace - they tear up wildlife and are primary vectors for diseases such as distemper. Why do you think you need to get your housecat vaccinated? it's not because magical disease fairies come in through the window at night and tickle Snookums' nose with viral particle-dust. it's becuse of the other animals out there ranging around carrying these diseases.
This does not mean i think people ought to go out and kill the animals, though. I think feral populations need to be controlled, absolutely - catch 'em, spay 'em, and let the colonies die out at their own time. Better yet, re-home the things if at all possible (and it often is; cats can become home critters after living wild, it's humans who get stuck on the notion). But it's just that if someone kills a feral cat, i'm not going to get terribly upset about it.
and yes, human beings are a menace. and without careless cat-jockeys who think Snookums should be free to roam around tearing up all the birds and squirrels he feels he needs to, there wouldn't be any feral cats in the first place. But no, miserable, ignorant, lazy people who think cats can "sustain themselves" insist on letting mr. Fluffums roam around, making all the "Li'l Fluffums" he can squirt out ("it's cruel to neuter!" tearing up the neighborhood's other cats, denuding the bluebird colonies and otherwise acting exactly as one would expect a very able predator with the instinctual stuntings of domestication to act like.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)You are not being a devil's advocate, you are being an apologist.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I'm making the case for why I can understand her reasoning. At least up until she starts bragging about it. Really, lady?
I do not support "do it yourself" methods of critter management, for the simple reason that there's next to no way to guarantee you can kill the animal without it suffering. This arrow shot was exceptional, and it actually makes me wonder about the circumstances of it.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)It's stupid and uncaring.
The problem is: people not caring.
kcr
(15,315 posts)The fact she posed for that picture is pretty damning evidence that her judgment wasn't based on sound reasoning that your benefit of the doubt wants to give her. She saw that cat and immediately wanted to grab her bow and have herself a hunt! So she could brag on Facebook and people could see how cool she was. Her desire to present an image on facebook was more important than her profession and now it will cost her and I say good. If she'd thought about it for a moment she wouldn't be in this position. That poor cat, and its poor owners. Shame on her.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)now,as that does not happen in the wild, a vet might have reason to wonder if the cat is owned. Check to see if the cirter isch ipped perhaps?
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)tblue37
(65,336 posts)way that arrow went in--and from how thoroughly it went in. He was looking to be petted, and she was looking to kill something.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)And now I see the vanes... they're like three inches from the animal's face, and it looks like it went through the eyebow and out below th ear.
I'd figured it was the opposite way just 'cause of the way she was holding it. 'Cause even a small animal's skull has plenty of stopping power at a decent range.
This animal was shot at less than ten feet, facing her - and from the apparent angle, it might have been eating something or she was crouching.
I already wasn't a fan, but... wow. Wow.
I know I've upset some people with my viewpoints so far on this thread. But fuck's sake. You're right, it looks like she just walked up and pegged the thing while it was expecting treats.
BainsBane
(53,031 posts)and just sit there. She should know that much.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)A lot of people still let their cats out.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Though frankly, people shouldn't let their cats out unmanaged.
I inherited an "outdoor" cat - a poor old thing, like ten years old, rangy as hell. she would not use the litterbox, and was too old to train (or if she was trainable at that age, i didn't know how.) My solution? Toilet tissue and vinegar. Better I endurethe fragrance of cat poop for a few moments than let Cow Nose become raccoon chow. or, as happened the time she DID slip out, get torn up by hte neighbor's "outdoor cat."
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)of pets that have been spayed or neutered. They take a small piece of skin out of their ear. You can tell if a cat or dog has been spayed or neutered here too. I cannot believe anyone would play devil's advocate to a person who would do such a thing to a cat, whether it was feral or a pet.
Trillo
(9,154 posts)They can hang themselves and choke to death. There are cat collars that have quick release buckles, but those cost $5 or more, and they're always losing them, so regular replacement becomes quite an expense.
tblue37
(65,336 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)tblue37
(65,336 posts)easy target. She obviously shot him at close range. He was probably sitting in front of her, looking up and expecting to be petted.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)whether it is feral or a pet, so go ahead and kill it? Wow.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)As I said, I'm taking a devil's advocate position here.
PassingFair
(22,434 posts)Because your smelling of sulfur in this thread.
The shooting of this cat is absolutely indefensible.
frankieallen
(583 posts)Your position sounds nice but is not reality
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Especially considering this woman is a vet. She has to know people still let their pet cats out.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)that was almost impossible to keep in when she wanted out
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Very dangerous, because of all the things that can happen, including being killed by a person like this one.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)I think someone poisoned her
BlueinOhio
(238 posts)Probably just used as an excuse. I have to wonder how many animals she has tortured and killed before this. Potential serial killers will start with animals and work up. So animal cruelty is important. Sorry but I worked with someone that looked for any excuse to kill neighborhood pets. She also stoled items from people at work to hold as trophies. Certain ones will put themselves in positions to be close to their victims.
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)...wtf?
I still love ya' man but what the 'effing actual fuck?
I live in a farming community where feral cats are out of control. That said, I would never condone harming a cat or any other species of fellow 'human' being; to include spiders, mice, ants, plants, et al., ...unless there was a damned good, justifiable reason for doing so. We share this earth together.
She had no business killing any style or brand of cat, regardless of that cat's perceived social station. The fact that she posted her escapades on facebook only confirms for me that she's a malignant narcissistic psychopath... Just like the bish from Utah that posed with a dead giraffe, I find them both deplorable.
Our brain pans are bigger. We have opposable thumbs. For this reason, it is incumbent upon us to figure out humane solutions to logistically challenging, humanist issues. A massive federal catch and release, FREE spay and neuter program (especially in rural farming communities,) would be an example of a preferable solution to the nationwide feral cat conundrum.
The problem, in this case, isn't about the issue of feral cats. It is, however, about psychopathic/sociopathic individuals trying to justify their excessively amoral, murderous tendencies by posting their offensive look-at-me selfies on social media. Not only was the the murder of that cat completely unnecessary and inhumane, it was cruel and abhorrent.
That woman is not a veterinarian, she's a lunatic and a pariah. She has no business being around ANY animals, whatsoever... Period. Padlock.
She sucks and I hope she gets fired!
TYY
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Seriously, like i'm saying elsewhere, i don't advocate going out and killing cats. For a number of reasons. As you say, there are other options for controlling them. "Do it yourself" is certainly at the bottom of that particular list.
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)...she's absolutely fucking pathological! Life is not going to be kind to her, until she does some self-reflective introspection and begins to take personal responsibility for her actions.
She's scary. I'm glad she's being removed from her current close proximity to animals; and/or humans for that matter.
TYY
tblue37
(65,336 posts)clinic she worked at got wind of what had happened.
tblue37
(65,336 posts)eggplant
(3,911 posts)On Fri Apr 17, 2015, 10:27 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
Devil's advocate post...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6525360
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
some sick fuck shots an arrow through someone's pet cat and this DU'er wants to play devil's advocate? It is so insensitive and disturbing. Please hide this.
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That said, what the heck is up with all these alerts trying to squelch what amounts to nothing more than an opposing opinion? Did killing Free Speech become a Progressive value when I wasn't looking? Put the person on "ignore" if you need to, but quit with the business of hiding anything you object to.
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snooper2
(30,151 posts)OFF THE GAMES!
no more PS4 for you!
tblue37
(65,336 posts)young adult cat last July who had been neutered and ear-notched by a catch and release program. Tico had been hanging around my apartment for a while, looking for attention but too shy to be touched until I gained his trust. I finally got close enough to grab him, and when I first saw that he was neutered, I assumed he was a pet, since I didn't know at the time about the ear-notching that signaled a neutered feral. I just thought he'd been in a fight.
But the fact that this cat was neutered and obviously well cared for was a sign that he might well be someone's pet. Besides, the way that arrow was positioned indicates that she almost certainly shot at him as he sat right in front of her looking up at her, probably expecting to be petted. That, too, suggests a pet, not a feral cat, since ferals tend to be shy. My Tico desperately wanted to be given attention, so he hung around my apartment and shadowed me on my walks, and even sat outside my window and visited with my other 3 cats, but it took some time for him to trust me enough to get close enough for me to grab him and take him inside.
I bet she knew this was someone's pet. This woman was on the hunt, looking for a living creature to kill, and a friendly, affectionate pet cat was an easy target.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)I have two cats that I took in after they started living in my yard. (4 years apart). The first one has a little notch in each ear but I don't remember seeing them when I took her in so I figured she got them in fights later on - there's a bully stray in the neighborhood. But now I'm wondering if that's what they are, at least one of them, the second one I'm sure she just got sometime after I took her in. It took her a while to get used to me petting her and the sound of plastic bags would send her running, I'm sure because it sounded like something coming up in the leaves. She had been living in my yard for a few months before I was able to befriend her and she was spayed.
tblue37
(65,336 posts)perhaps one half inch long, or even a tiny bit longer than that. Quite noticeable, though, even from a distance.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)I'm sure she got them herself somehow.
tblue37
(65,336 posts)to me. It is still very noticeable, though, and there is a roundish part at the inner end of the notch.
Logical
(22,457 posts)ohnoyoudidnt
(1,858 posts)Posing for a picture as if she was some hunter killing an elephant for sport should be enough to tell you about her character. So you mean that if it wasn't someone's pet, her behavior as a veterinarian was okay?
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)We all already know it was a pet - I was willing to extend that she made a mistake. I mean, beyond hte mistake of her super-creepy facebook picture.
After having the position of th arrow pointed out to me, yeah, I'm 100% certain she knew this animal wasn't a feral. 'Cause it would require her to be really close to the animal, with it facing her - most cats 'in the rough" even house pets, will work to keep strange humans far away - ferals certainly so. But this animal obviously trusted her, indicating either they already knew each other, or it was very well-socialized or, if nothing else, she was feeding it at the time.
AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)She is a fucking @#$%^&.
Initech
(100,067 posts)Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)I am truly disgusted. I hate her.
WestSeattle2
(1,730 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)doesn't give a shit about.
PassingFair
(22,434 posts)GReedDiamond
(5,311 posts)...this vile creature known as "Kristen Lindsey."
She's already lost her job, but I hope she does some jail time, and, after that, ends up working in a WalMart or McDonalds for minimum wage, at best.
A sick fuck, she is.
mucifer
(23,537 posts)Millions of animals with horrific suffering.
No one goes to jail.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Because someone eats meat doesn't mean they don't give a shit about someone putting an arrow through a pet's head.
If you really want to go out on a tangent you can say that people shouldn't own unnecessary pets that are carnivores and require "animal cruelty and suffering" in order to feed them, not to mention the millions of "animal cruelty and suffering" dealt from free range cats. That's certainly PETA's position, which includes the unnecessary termination of pets, which if you think about it isn't that much better than the vet in the OP.
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/downloads/PetaKillsAnimals.pdf
mucifer
(23,537 posts)not for millions of pigs, cows and sheep and baby chicks. I just don't get it. The conditions on factory farms are insane. There's lots of videos that prove this. No one goes to jail. But, for one dog or one cat they do.
It's how I feel. You haven't convinced me otherwise.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)...and it doesn't require abstaining from viable sources of protein.
I could care less about convincing you of anything. You seem to be the one wanting shame people into becoming vegan.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)There are more humane ways to raise animals for meat and if one purports to care about animals they should be concerned about factory farming and attempt to eliminate it. One method is to eliminate the need for it.
Not to mention it's better for the planet overall to change our diet away from so much meat since for the most part it takes much less resources to make a meal from vegetation than from beef.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)diet. I have eliminated red meat and pork but do eat poultry sometimes - generally about 3 times/week - and the occasional bacon. If I buy it myself I buy organic free range, but I can't only eat at restaurants that serve that because work buys me lunch every day. And I can't always eat organic veggies because of that as well, but pretty much only buy organic with very few exceptions. I don't eat fish mostly for health reasons but I'm aware that we are supposed to run out of fish in about 50 years.
I can't live without a computer, but I limit my electricity use. I only have lights on that I need and use LED bulbs now.
I save the water I run in the tub to get to the hot water in a bucket and use that water to flush my toilet. I don't always completely turn off the water as I shampoo and soap up though.
So the point is, even if you can't completely live a life in perfect accordance with your beliefs, if everyone cut back a good percentage and was actually conscious of how they are contributing to things and what they are wasting and took steps to adjust and lessen their impact, we would need so much less energy and water and factory farming.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)I just reject the one that says we must all be vegan or we can't possibly give a shit about animals without being a hypocrite.
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Plants have feelings too.
Let's just all starve to death upon birth;
and say its g0d's way of rushing us to heavens.
Peregrine Took
(7,413 posts)Even ants and lady bugs. My husband is the same way.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)A lot of animal rights activists have issues with PETA so that's a strawman argument.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Which kinda makes your response a strawman argument, btw.
Just sayin'
cui bono
(19,926 posts)you were responding to. If that's not how you meant it, then great! And I apologize.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)That poster said they couldn't understand why someone who eats meat can possibly give a flying fuck about a cat getting shot through the head. To which I pointed out that cats are carnivores that require the meat of other creatures to survive. So basically it seems just as odd that such a person would give a flying fuck about a non-native and nonessential animal that must eat other animals to survive. I also pointed out that at least PETA's position is consistent on that note because they manage to kill just about every cat they can get their hands on.
Reter
(2,188 posts)Last edited Sun Apr 19, 2015, 08:43 PM - Edit history (1)
This isn't the place.
SamKnause
(13,101 posts)How soon before someone sets up a Go Fund Me account for her ???
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)"A veterinarian in Brenham, Texas lost her job and has allegedly received death threats after posting a picture online of herself with a cat she killed with a bow and arrow, KBTX-TV reported on Friday.
Officials at the Washington Animal Clinic terminated Kristen Lindseys employment after the picture from her Facebook page surfaced on Thursday. Lindsey can be seen holding the arrow, which is stuck inside the animals head.
My first bow kill, lol, she wrote. The only good feral tomcat is one with an arrow through its [sic] head! Vet of the year award Gladly accepted.
Lindsey took down her page after criticism began flooding in, but at one point she bragged that she would not lose her job over killing the cat, stating, Like someone would get rid of me. Im awesome!"
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)What an idiot.
3catwoman3
(23,975 posts)...more like it. What a horrible person.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)if that were my fur baby. To SEE a photo of my baby like that? OMG!
It's bad enough if it were feral.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Anyone did that to my cat would get big payback.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)But I'd have the hammer.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)by that murderer. So sorry his humans had such a grievous loss. I send them my heartfelt sympathy. I hope they can find some peace somehow.
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)I hope this subhuman garbage loses her license.
Beringia
(4,316 posts)what kind of a vet is she, insane.
IcyPeas
(21,863 posts)that cat is beautiful. it doesn't even look feral -- he's too clean and well kept looking.
I wonder if the owners have made a statement. The woman driving and speaking in the video loves her Tiger. She must be absolutely devastated. Heartbreaking.
Hope they throw the book at this so called vet.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)Poor critter.
spanone
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Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)There's not enough bail money on the planet to get me out of the trouble I'd get in.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Trillo
(9,154 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 18, 2015, 12:00 AM - Edit history (1)
though depending on where the kill occurred, suing may be pointless. Most folks love house-type cats, and even if they trespass, generally leave them alone. Around here they're generally welcome as they hunt and kill gophers, which puts them in competition with BigChem and their gopher poisons.
He was such a pretty cat. If he was a pet, it was nothing to kill, the cat wouldn't have had the full fear of humans ferals typically have. I am in total fear of two cats, which as kittens I bottle fed, getting out of the house. They would likely walk up to just about anyone and presume friendship.
tblue37
(65,336 posts)of her and looked up at her expecting to be petted.
Trillo
(9,154 posts)The angle of the arrow leads me to believe the cat was not both sitting facing and looking up at her, and it seems more likely he was moving away from her at the moment of impact. Perhaps he approached, but sensed something was wrong, and tried to move away.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)See the green feathers? She's holding the arrow by the point. The cat was looking towards her when she shot it. The arrow traveled most of it's length through the cat's head.
Poor Tiger.
Trillo
(9,154 posts)I stand corrected, the cat was directly facing her, you are correct about the feathers. I hope Scootaloo is correct that this was an illegal act, and that she gets some lawful punishment.
tblue37
(65,336 posts)a person's pet cat cannot be killed without the owner's permission.
I just hope the law follows through on this and really punishes her for what she did. You can bet she knew she was killing someone's pet, but she was eager for a chance to kill something with a bow and arrow, and a trusting pet cat was an easy target for her.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)And still can't form a coherent post about how completely sickened I am by this. What a psychopath this woman is. Hope justice is done. Loss of job and licence and hopefully serious jail time. (Most of which seems to have happened or is at least being looked into/investigated.) People who harm animals are a danger to society. Bragging about it shows a total lack of humanity. The suffering she inflicted on this pet and his family is unforgivable.
VScott
(774 posts)tblue37
(65,336 posts)arrow is positioned, and the way it went right through the skull means she was standing very close to the poor cat, and he was probably looking up at her, all sweet and thinking she meant to pet him!
She obviously used his sweet, trusting nature against him to get close enough to kill him that way.
TubbersUK
(1,439 posts)BainsBane
(53,031 posts)I've seen feral cats. They don't hang out all cute around people. They are wild, more like rats.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)phil89
(1,043 posts)No hope for this ghoul.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)not defending what she did, but still sort of a fucked up thing to say.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)It may not be "politically correct" but I bet it was on the mind of many in this thread.
Obviously, no one literally wishes her to die, but what that poster said is a normal reaction to this atrocious act.
What is "fuct up" is the fact that someone ( and a vet, out of them all) put a freaking arrow throw the skull of an innocent pet cat, and then held it up to take pictures and brag on social media of "what great vet she is". That is what's fuct up!!!!
I'm so sick of people making excuses for animal abuse. Not saying you did, but you have to understand how animal lovers feel when an innocent soul is executed in cold blood like Tiger was!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)People get lectured here for suggesting that Dzhokhar Tsaernev deserves the DP... hell, people get lectured for even suggesting he be sent to prison for his whole life.
I think putting the arrow in the cat's head is MASSIVELY fucked up, but I also think wishing death on a human being in this thread is inappropriate.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)People say things when upset.
The only fuct up thing here is what that psychopath did.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)saying "gee, that's kind of a fucked up thing to say" doesn't mean I think the person is serious.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)And my opinion is we should focus on the real "fuct up" thing here, not on people's reactions to what happened.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Like i said.. While the putting of the arrow in the cat's head is appallingly horrific and I do hope she is charged with the maximum possible level of criminal animal cruelty, it is kind of funny to me that some people on DU absolutely lose their shit with outrage at the thought that the guy who giggled as he blew up an 8 year old child might be "deprived of his liberty for his entire life" (oh no!) and to suggest he should be is "distressingly un-progressive"
But the woman who shoots a cat with a crossbow? No punishment is too severe!
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Yesterday.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6521699
Getting back to the topic, again, what she did sucks and i hope the authorities are looking into it.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)But she will only get a slap on the hand, since animal abuse, especially first offence, is only a misdemeanor in TX.
Hopefully she will lose her licence at least. I have a feeling this is not her first kill of a pet.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I suspect in other states it would be a different story.
Logical
(22,457 posts)are as bad as the poster.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Look at the other comments of people outraged.
Logical
(22,457 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)How much do you wanna bet the above poster wasn't serious?
No one wants the psychopath's death. Just for her to be held accountable for her crimes.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)Everybody will.
QuestionAlways
(259 posts)Mail Message
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Hope she dies.
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Wow, wishing a human dead over killing a cat! Please hide this.
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Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)you're doing it wrong.
romanic
(2,841 posts)This is the most fucked up story I've read all day and even though there was a warning, I did NOT expect to see that picture of the poor cat and the fucked up so-called "vet" that killed him. I hope this "lady" enjoys her one-way ticket to Hell.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)and as a human.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)mrs_p
(3,014 posts)And was shocked by her post. All comments were positive about her "kill" she is an avid hunter as is most of her friends, I presume). Well, I promptly de friended her, an acquaintance from vet school, not a friend, no loss.
The scary thing is she isn't some freaky horrible person. She appears normal, is friendly, and for the most part kind to others.
Besides making me sick to my stomach, the post did make me wonder about her judgement and common sense. I find the whole situation sad. Poor kitty. Stupid woman. She has seriously fucked up her life. And, she deserves to suffer the consequences. I do not hope her dead, though. I hope for a conversion to compassion and love.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)Until they show their true colors. And I believe this woman just did that.
I feel sorry for her - she has destroyed her life. It will take a monumental effort to recover from this unless she only wants to work for and associate with people as uncaring as she demonstrates herself to be. Even though I feel sorry for her, I would not want to have anything to do with her and I don't believe she should ever be allowed to take care of animals or any helpless creature - including children.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)updated version in the Independent today.
I see the Independent blurred out the cat.
May she never practice veterinary medicine again.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)How do people even think that's acceptable, much less be proud enough to show their sociopathy to the world.
I hate to say this, but there's only one animal in that picture that deserves an arrow in their head - and it ain't the cat - and I don't even like cats all that much.
Couldn't watch the video.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)PassingFair
(22,434 posts)Creepy actions and mentality should be dragged into the sunlight.
Bad behavior condoned by small town mentality...
Duck Dynasty type "morality"...
Drag. It. Out.
They are so SHOCKED at condemnation of their insular accepted ways.
Drag. It. Out.
It is indefensible.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)As far as I can tell, this one is not.
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)alphafemale
(18,497 posts)I hope she never has another happy day.
tenderfoot
(8,426 posts)Initech
(100,067 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)Anyway... how did that dumbass make it through veterinary school if she has so little common sense?
laserhaas
(7,805 posts)Doomed to Life in Prison R Us...
Sheessshhhh
okasha
(11,573 posts)Sociopathy isn't curable, and it onsets early. All deaths that occurred under her care at the clinic should be reviewed.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)After several times in the animal ER with IVs which always brought him back to full health for a few months in his latter years, I left him with the vet as I went to work. He called me at work and reported he slept well.
I got off work, went to see him with the vet. He got up for a moment, took a breath and laid down as if to sleep, not breathing anymore. He was gone. I was in my 9th month and it was heartbreaking losing my furry friend.
This vet in the OP is sociopath and media culture celebrates this. Some insist on denying that all they want. But the proof is all around us.
Carl Sagan's opinion on media:
...The dumbing down of America is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance...
An extraterrestrial being, newly arrived on Earth - scrutinizing what we mainly present to our children in television, radio, movies, newspapers, magazines, the comics, and many books - might easily conclude that we are intent on teaching them murder, rape, cruelty, superstition, credulity, and consumerism.
We keep at it, and through constant repetition, many of them finally get it. What kind of society could we create if, instead, we drummed into them science and a sense of hope?
~ Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
This is the Idiocracy in motion, it's not a satire. We are 'monkey see, monkey do' beings, nothing wrong with that, it's one of our greatest strengths for passing knowledge. It's how we learn.
Highly visual, fast moving and with sound, there is nothing as effective as television and movies to teach us. We generally have no filter to resist, we take in the data and it never leaves us. Every single thing we see and hear is a learning process. We can't escape, unless we turn it all off. And then we are in danger of being isolated from the majority as they will be talking a different language than us.
Emotional content in any venue is the most remembered because it engages the limbic system. It goes straight past the buffering part of consciousness, where reflection, reason and logic reside and is registered in the area we call the subsconscious. With physical stimulation at the same time, it is as hard wired as being beaten or raped.
This has been exploited in the last few decades without restraint and in the most negative and nihilistic fashion. It is obviously not done to favor any of us or any living thing. We are being channeled to act as killing machines. And to glory in it. So I'm not surprised at the latest manifestation of it.
JMHO.
tenderfoot
(8,426 posts)There's no way in hell that animal was a treat to her and what an astonishing lack of compassion. I'm wondering if she became a vet for sole purpose of torturing them rather than helping them.
What an asshole that woman is.
tenderfoot
(8,426 posts)FORT COLLINS, Colorado - The school where Kristen Lindsey earned her Doctorate of Veterinary Medicine is not standing behind the Brenham vet after she bragged on Facebook about killing a cat with a bow and arrow.
Lindsey was fired by the Washington Animal Clinic Friday. The Austin County Sheriffs Office is investigating her for possible animal cruelty.
The Dean of the College of Veterinary Medicine and Biomedical Sciences at Colorado State sent the following letter to strongly decry (Lindseys) grotesque actions.
The letter in full: http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/CSU-Not-Supporting-Brenham-Vet-at-Center-of-Cat-Controversy-300573791.html
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)I'm hope there's a jail term/
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)Just sayin
cui bono
(19,926 posts)sinkingfeeling
(51,448 posts)tenderfoot
(8,426 posts)This asshole
onecent
(6,096 posts)onecent
(6,096 posts)A VET, and the petition is so she NEVER WORKS AS A VET AGAIN.