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Mon Apr 20, 2015, 06:39 AM

It is to vomit. Judith Miller pushing new book to say 'We were not lied into war' on Morning Joke.

Miller pretending the war criminals of the Bush regime simply 'got it wrong', saying 'no evidence that they lied'.

Historic revisionism on a monumental level, and the morning joke crew are lapping it up, and sympathizing with her whining about being a scapegoat and not a cheerleader for war.

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Reply It is to vomit. Judith Miller pushing new book to say 'We were not lied into war' on Morning Joke. (Original post)
Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 OP
vt_native Apr 2015 #1
Cha Apr 2015 #2
butterfly77 Apr 2015 #3
unblock Apr 2015 #4
Enthusiast Apr 2015 #14
C_U_L8R Apr 2015 #5
Botany Apr 2015 #6
CTyankee Apr 2015 #7
Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #9
riderinthestorm Apr 2015 #35
DirkGently Apr 2015 #8
Art_from_Ark Apr 2015 #10
Surya Gayatri Apr 2015 #11
Enthusiast Apr 2015 #12
BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2015 #24
Gidney N Cloyd Apr 2015 #13
Jefferson23 Apr 2015 #15
FiveGoodMen Apr 2015 #36
Jefferson23 Apr 2015 #37
FiveGoodMen Apr 2015 #38
Jefferson23 Apr 2015 #39
Thor_MN Apr 2015 #16
Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #17
rurallib Apr 2015 #18
One of the 99 Apr 2015 #19
merrily Apr 2015 #20
GoneFishin Apr 2015 #21
Buzz Clik Apr 2015 #22
Martin Eden Apr 2015 #23
still_one Apr 2015 #27
leveymg Apr 2015 #28
jwirr Apr 2015 #25
still_one Apr 2015 #26
Orsino Apr 2015 #29
JonLP24 Apr 2015 #30
Gothmog Apr 2015 #31
spanone Apr 2015 #32
rafeh1 Apr 2015 #33
moondust Apr 2015 #34
kentuck Apr 2015 #40
moondust Apr 2015 #41
msanthrope Apr 2015 #42

Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 06:47 AM

1. Vince Bugliosi's movie

addresses this canard.

The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 06:49 AM

2. Says the Liar attempting to protect the other Liars.. and doing it poorly.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 06:54 AM

3. Exactly...

 

Kick&Recommended!

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 06:56 AM

4. in many situations, people make more of intent than they should. results matter.

sorry, but when you set about to knowingly kill even one person, never mind hundreds of thousands, you have an affirmative moral obligation to "get it right".

never mind that few of us believe her that the administration didn't know full well that it was all a lie; even if they were all duped, they had an obligation to do everything they could to make sure they weren't getting duped.

if there's "no evidence they lied" (ha!) then there's certainly no evidence they bothered to find out if what they were peddling had anything remotely to do with the truth.

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Response to unblock (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 07:52 AM

14. No. They knowingly lied. For sure. They didn't need to find out, they knew it was a lie.

No one could have believed Iraq was a nuclear threat to this nation. NO. Way.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 07:16 AM

5. Complete fabrications

The bullshit Miller and Bushco methodically peddled were not in any way just "getting it wrong". It was a grand deception without a doubt. And Miller is a liar.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 07:17 AM

6. Judy you were one of the people doing the lying and getting your talking points from Dick Cheney

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who then quoted that very same stuff he gave to you through Scooter Libby in your NYT's
writing as proof of Iraq's WMD program. No amount of soap and water can wash the blood
of your hands.

Trying selling your crap to the family of Dr. Kelly who figured out that the case for war
in Iraq was a bunch of lies and whose last email before he "commited suicide" was to you
Ms. Kelly.



Judy is Lady Macbeth, "Out out damn spot."

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 07:24 AM

7. not everyone on the panel was "lapping it up". The reporter from the

NYT and John Heileman weren't. They were questioning her with real skepticism if not thinly veiled contempt.

I love Heleman in particular. He's getting a bit fed up with Joe and the likes of Nicolle when she is on the show.

There was a lot of revisionism coming out of Miller's mouth...I loved her statement "I went to jail for the 1st Amendment."

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 07:29 AM

9. I heard the NYT guy

(and don't really consider him part of the 'crew') but missed Heileman's words, the dogs got into a barking fight that rose and fell during the segment. I'm glad to hear there was more pushback than I caught.

And yes, the 'went to jail for the first amendment' was pretty bile-inducing all on its own.

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Response to CTyankee (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 11:14 AM

35. There's at least one DUer who makes the exact same statement as Ms Miller

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025686670

Trots it out regularly and shamelessly....

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 07:27 AM

8. No way.

Wow.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 07:40 AM

10. It was so obviously a lie

How could anyone believe that a country that had been the most sanctioned, the most surveilled, the most bombed country in the world during the 12 years leading up to Iraq War II, and which had barely had the ability to lob a missile at Israel in Iraq War I, could somehow, during that time, develop weapons of mass destruction that could reach the US or the UK?

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 07:40 AM

11. And, those aspen are still turning (in their grave) in Colorado...

 

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 07:49 AM

12. No one could have honestly believed Iraq was capable of delivering a nuclear weapon.

The Mushroom Cloud lie was a lie with a purpose. That purpose was to coerce the American people to accept a war that was against their best interests. It was designed to stoke fear. It didn't fool me for one second.

This is what happens in a Nazi kind of nation where only one side is heard from in the media.

If you listen to your media and no one is calling Dubya Bush a liar and a traitor, your media is one sided and biased.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #12)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 09:40 AM

24. this is why I can't bear M$M.

I just don't go near it. Here is where I find out about the slime from the video.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 07:51 AM

13. Here's part of Jesse Kornbluth's book review on Amazon:


For those who have had the good fortune to know nothing about Ms. Miller and her role as an enabler of the Bush Administration’s marketing of the Iraq invasion, here’s the briefest of primers.

Miller was a dogged reporter whose special knack was cultivating powerful men as sources. It’s tricky to write a sentence like that --- you can’t help sounding like the pundits who call Hillary Clinton “aggressive.” But that was, in fact, how Miller operated;

(snip)

But when Bush became President, her sources narrowed: Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, Scooter Libby. If she didn’t have an agenda, they did. They have it still, and if anyone took them seriously, we would have already leveled Tehran.

In the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, government officials made remarkable claims. Dick Cheney insisted that 9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta had met an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague a few months before Atta flew a plane into the World Trade Center. (That meeting didn’t happen.) Condoleezza Rice also saw ties between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein. (Despite all evidence to the contrary, Rice was still saying this in 2006.) But the biggest whopper was Miller’s claim about Iraq’s intentions to develop weapons of mass destruction.

As an embedded reporter in Iraq, Miller saw buried ingredients for chemical weapons production. Well, she didn’t exactly see them. “Clad in nondescript clothes and a baseball cap,” she wrote in the Times, a former low-level Iraqi scientist known as Curveball “pointed to several spots in the sand where he said chemical precursors and other weapons material were buried.” A few hours after that piece was published, Dick Cheney went on “Meet the Press” and quoted Miller. Others followed. Bob Simon, of “60 Minutes,” was quick to see through the kabuki. "You leak a story to the New York Times," he told Franklin Foer of New York Magazine, "and the New York Times prints it, and then you go on the Sunday shows quoting the New York Times and corroborating your own information. You've got to hand it to them. That takes, as we say here in New York, chutzpah."

It took two years for Miller to admit her reporting couldn’t be confirmed: “WMD—I got it totally wrong.” But it wasn’t her fault; she was deceived by her sources. Well, not even deceived. They meant well. They just got it wrong. It’s a defense we hear often. Indeed, it’s the single best argument against the passive voice: “Mistakes were made.”

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 07:54 AM

15. She can spin it all she likes, history has her down for her role. She is a vile human being. n/t

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Response to Jefferson23 (Reply #15)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 05:31 PM

36. History apparently isn't going to do anything about it

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Reply #36)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 06:03 PM

37. Often historians are the only ones who bring justice..she will be remembered for what she

was..a complicit asshole. Her spin now will not change that, ever.

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Response to Jefferson23 (Reply #37)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 06:07 PM

38. That's not justice.

An analogy:

Someone kidnaps, rapes, tortures and murders some innocent victim.

The perp never goes to trial, lives a full life, dies happy.

Much later someone says, "You know, he was really guilty."

Justice? Not hardly.

Even bringing the criminal to trial and punishing them appropriately isn't justice (the victim didn't deserver to die that way!) but having someone point out -- much later -- that an injustice was done...

It is so wrong to call THAT justice that saying so is a crime against humanity.

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Reply #38)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 06:13 PM

39. I don't agree, not at all. When we learn of past egregious wrongs in history and we learn

who was responsible and why it all happened as it did..when the historical record is
clear, that is the only justice some people ever receive..the truth. Future generations
will know what happened, that is important.


Do I want and demand that Bush and company be tried for their crimes, I do.

Is that going to happen? Not likely.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 08:11 AM

16. So she is claiming manslaughter instead of first degree murder?

 

The fact is they did the crime(s). If they want to plea bargain, OK. Let's save a trial and give them a very generous (for them) sentence. Say a day each for every Iraqi death. Let them become eligible for parole once they have served 10% on their sentence. In 2151, we can see if they have been rehabilitated.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 08:34 AM

17. Judith...YOU LIE!!!

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 08:42 AM

18. It is amazing. She proudly perades herself as a fool of the highest order

and there is a whole segment of media prepared to put her out front and claim she is believable and sell her story to a easily persuaded public. If they do their job well, maybe they can elect another Bush to do it again.

America, yes we are exceptional

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 09:03 AM

19. I really wish some interviewer would really challenge her

Hope she goes on the Daily Show before Stewart leaves.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 09:09 AM

20. Patently, Miller is the most trustworth source on this, second only to Dick Cheney.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 09:22 AM

21. She is outing herself as being complicit in the lies rather than being a victim of them.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 09:25 AM

22. Yeah. She was a willing pawn of Cheney.

 

I guess she is trying to clear her conscience and hoping no one is paying attention.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 09:38 AM

23. She was on Bill Maher Friday night

Although he disagreed with her, Bill failed to challenge Miller on a lot of her bullshit.

Maher can be a smug jerk, but I'm willing to overlook that because his show can be very funny and sometimes interesting. But it really pisses me off when he fails to do his homework and he lets a bunch of RW bullshit slip by unrefuted.

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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #23)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 09:54 AM

27. I agree, Maher didn't do his job. I would really love to see Jon Stewart interview that liar.

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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #23)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 10:02 AM

28. I got exactly the same impression. Maher was sloppy and half awake during that interview.

Going through the motions. Could have been a terrifically entertaining and eye opening encounter, but Bill wasn't into that with her. Disappointing.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 09:40 AM

25. The liar says the liar did not lie. Don't bother to buy the book. I just summerized it for you.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 09:53 AM

26. I couldn't watch her on Bill Maher, and from what I heard, he let her off the hook also. What they

are trying to do is rewrite history. Her excuse is that I wasn't the only one who did it. Bullshit. Knight Ridder, and others were reporting that there were no WMDs. The UN inspectors were also reporting the same thing. So what these so-called criminal reporters did was get their talking points from the bush administration. She was dating Scooter Libby for gosh sakes.

As far as I am concerned she and the other lazy and inept reporters who pushed this lie, have as much blood on their hands as the bush administration.

She belongs right where she is today, with murdoch and is ilk

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 10:33 AM

29. "Listen carefully, Norman: I'm lying." n/t

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 10:39 AM

30. LOL

Coming from the person who wrote inaccurate news articles.

The whole book is full of lies I imagine, starting with title.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 10:39 AM

31. Judith Miller is trying to re-write history

Her role in selling the Iraq war is clear and she will not be successful

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 10:41 AM

32. dear judy, a MILLION people dead is not just 'getting it wrong' torture is not 'getting it wrong'

fuck you and your ilk

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 10:52 AM

33. in military fact

bush and military chiefs knew for sure saddam had no wmd. elese no military head in his right mind would have piled up 100k troops in kuwait ripe for vaporisation

If saddam had any wmds he would not have been invaded

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 11:12 AM

34. On Maher she blamed the intelligence community for getting it wrong.

Same bullshit BushCo has used all along. "It's all the intelligence community's fault" is a pretty safe claim for them to make because independent investigators will not be allowed into the CIA and NSA to dig up the truth, which no doubt has always existed down at street level where real people handle real intelligence--or the lack thereof--without a political agenda.

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Response to moondust (Reply #34)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 06:18 PM

40. As if that is supposed to make it alright?

No one is at fault because every one believed the intelligence community? The "intelligence community" is not at fault. Therefore, no one can be held accountable.

She seems to be saying, "If you can't trust the CIA, who can you trust?"...

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Response to kentuck (Reply #40)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 07:27 PM

41. She was just on Chris Hayes' show.

Among other things, she claims she had followed the situation in Iraq for a long time before the 2003 invasion and that "everybody" in the international press believed Saddam still had WMD.

It wouldn't surprise me if BushCo dreamed up the whole scheme well in advance, maybe even in the 90s, to invade Iraq for the oil on the pretense that it was to take out Saddam's WMD, then after it's over and there's no WMD to blame the intelligence community since independent investigators can't get in there to find out the truth.

Maybe someday an old CIA analyst with terminal cancer will write a book to set the record straight. Until then everybody in the CIA who knew the truth is probably watched very closely, bribed and threatened as necessary to keep their mouths shut.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Original post)

Mon Apr 20, 2015, 07:31 PM

42. She needs more jail. nt

 

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