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misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 03:02 PM Apr 2015

US sends aircraft carrier to Yemeni waters

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/239416-us-sends-aircraft-carrier-to-yemeni-waters


(short article. This is just recently being reported)
The Pentagon is sending a U.S. aircraft carrier to waters around Yemen, following Iran's deployment of seven to nine ships, some carrying weapons.

The U.S. is sending the USS Theodore Roosevelt and at least one destroyer to the Gulf of Aden, said Pentagon spokesman Army Col. Steve Warren.

The Pentagon also said reports that the carrier will intercept Iranian ships carrying weapons is not true.

"Certainly it's going there because of Yemeni instability, but it's not going there to intercept any ships," said Warren.


The Roosevelt was in the Persian Gulf, but was sent through the Strait of Hormuz into the Gulf of Aden on Monday to conduct "maritime security operations," according to Warren.

The deployment comes after The Hill reported on Friday that Iran was sending an armada of seven to nine ships -- some carrying arms -- potentially to resupply the Houthi rebels in Yemen.

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Col Steve Warren disputes this article from the AP

http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/300688051.html


US warship heading to Yemeni waters prepared to block Iranian weapons shipments


WASHINGTON — The U.S. Navy aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt is steaming toward the waters off Yemen to beef up security and join other American ships that are prepared to intercept any Iranian vessels carrying weapons to the Houthi rebels fighting in Yemen.

Navy officials said Monday that the Roosevelt was moving through the Arabian Sea. The U.S. Navy has been beefing up its presence in the Gulf of Aden and the southern Arabian Sea amid reports that a convoy of about eight Iranian ships is heading toward Yemen and possibly carrying arms for the Houthis. Navy officials said there are about nine U.S. warships in the region, including cruisers and destroyers carrying teams that can board and search other vessels.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the ship movement on the record.
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US sends aircraft carrier to Yemeni waters (Original Post) misterhighwasted Apr 2015 OP
Who are we there to defend? Saudi Arabia? TwilightGardener Apr 2015 #1
We are probably trying to prevent Iran from sending additional arms to the rebels. The best way okaawhatever Apr 2015 #9
We're already actively helping SA fight the Houthis. TwilightGardener Apr 2015 #13
FYI, the President of Yemen is NOT democratically elected OR legitimate. Xithras Apr 2015 #20
"Democratically elected president"? Oh lord. Scootaloo Apr 2015 #29
Clearly we're about to make war with Syria LordGlenconner Apr 2015 #2
LOL..or somebody in the M.E. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #3
We are at war with Syria Jesus Malverde Apr 2015 #21
Bad headline. U.S. Carriers N E V E R travel alone. ChairmanAgnostic Apr 2015 #4
They should have reported "carrier strike group". bluedigger Apr 2015 #5
Appears Col Warren stepped out to hush the AP reporting. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #7
I wondered what happened to Tom Ridge. bluedigger Apr 2015 #8
I'd forgotten about him. What DID happen to Tom Ridge? misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #11
According to open source info sarisataka Apr 2015 #10
certainly makes sense, perhaps its nothing to worry about. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #12
Even if we don't plan sarisataka Apr 2015 #14
A departure from the usual on in one out? nt Depaysement Apr 2015 #31
True. My AF son in law says the same thing & laughed & shook his head. Whaa? misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #6
None of these countries mentioned are our "friends"... PCIntern Apr 2015 #16
Thanks for stating so clearly. we only have one ally. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #17
What has our friend done for us lately? Jesus Malverde Apr 2015 #22
Ya know I couldn't even begin to sort out the hornets nest I see in the M.E. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #24
Wesley Clark: "Our friends and allies funded ISIS to destroy Hezbollah" Jesus Malverde Apr 2015 #26
What do you mean exactly? JonLP24 Apr 2015 #23
Our friends are authoritarian corrupt governments that open their borders to JonLP24 Apr 2015 #19
Good post. bookmark for a future read Thanks. misterhighwasted Apr 2015 #28
I agree JonLP24 Apr 2015 #30
easily sunk? Lurker Deluxe Apr 2015 #15
Drip, drip, drip KamaAina Apr 2015 #18
Since when does the US Navy send a single carrier nadinbrzezinski Apr 2015 #25
After the bombs drop .. seveneyes Apr 2015 #27

okaawhatever

(9,457 posts)
9. We are probably trying to prevent Iran from sending additional arms to the rebels. The best way
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 04:05 PM
Apr 2015

for this to die down is to not give additional fighting equipment to either side.

SA has a formal request from the democratically elected president and a defense treaty to back it up in international courts. Iran (if they are sending weapons) is in the wrong and should be stopped.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
13. We're already actively helping SA fight the Houthis.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 04:19 PM
Apr 2015

We're getting sucked in to a new proxy war. Iraq, Syria, and now Yemen.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
20. FYI, the President of Yemen is NOT democratically elected OR legitimate.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 08:22 PM
Apr 2015

When he ran for election, he "won" with over 98% of the vote in an election that was widely denounced as fraudulent and in a nation where vast parts of the population hate him (he was a close ally of the former military dictator, and kept the former dictators son on to run the military). The fighting that broke out after the election led to a UN brokered ceasefire in which the guy agreed to resign by 2014. Even though he was illegitimate, he was left in for two years to keep the country from splintering apart.

2014 is over and (surprise, surprise) the guy didn't resign. This was the Houthi's #2 reason for starting the war (#1 was the fact that the guy didn't lift a finger to prevent AQAP from slaughtering the Shia Houthi's, leading to a widespread belief that he was using AQAP to commit a proxy genocide against their people).

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
29. "Democratically elected president"? Oh lord.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 08:53 PM
Apr 2015

Look, it's forgivable to not know much about Yemen. it's not exactly one of hte world powerhouses. But DO try to learn about it before jumping into the subject.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
3. LOL..or somebody in the M.E.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 03:14 PM
Apr 2015

Maybe just a show of force for now, but that won't deter Iran.
Read this morning that Saudi issued high security alert for fear of being attacked "in MALLS or OIL FIELDS.

Hmmm, "attacked in Malls," we have had the same threat. It makes one wonder. just sayin.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
4. Bad headline. U.S. Carriers N E V E R travel alone.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 03:20 PM
Apr 2015

Too fucking big of a target, too easily sunk, not well protected.

They always go with a bunch of subs, mid-sized ships, destroyers, and other specialty boats solely there to protect against cruise missiles, subs, and surface ships that might pose a danger.

So, we are sending a fleet to meet the Iranian fleet. Oh, good. Nothing can go wrong.

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
5. They should have reported "carrier strike group".
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 03:24 PM
Apr 2015

With the 9ish ships already there, it will double our presence, more or less.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
7. Appears Col Warren stepped out to hush the AP reporting.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 03:44 PM
Apr 2015

The fact that Saudi also put their oil fields & population on high Alert today is rather unnerving.
Is the bigger threat coming from Saudi or Iran? Who is shoving whom?

sarisataka

(18,501 posts)
10. According to open source info
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 04:06 PM
Apr 2015

CSG 12 has the Roosevelt , two cruisers and six destroyers. Per Navy doctrine there are likely 1-2 subs and a handful of support vessels.

Some ship might detatch to patrol the Gulf or on other missions but it is safe to bet the majority are with the carrier.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
12. certainly makes sense, perhaps its nothing to worry about.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 04:11 PM
Apr 2015

Maybe their just doing maneuvers.
What an effin mess.

sarisataka

(18,501 posts)
14. Even if we don't plan
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 04:28 PM
Apr 2015

to stop Iranian ships, which I believe, such a redeployment serves two purposes.

1 it keeps the Iranians looking over their shoulder at the Roosevelt as a potential threat while on the other side the Saudis present a definite threat.

2 it put the CSG in a much better tactical position. They are out of the claustrophobic waters of the Gulf and into the open ocean in case any shots start firing between Iran and Saudi Arabia

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
6. True. My AF son in law says the same thing & laughed & shook his head. Whaa?
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 03:32 PM
Apr 2015

They did say the SSRosevelt was being accompanied by a destroyer. I kinda doubt they are giving out exact information to the Press anyway.
Why Col Warren disputed the AP story .

So suppose they are going with destroyers etc. I am not so sure if they are fearing the possible need to USE force or if it is just a strong-arm showing of force to Iran.

Uneasy feel to this considering how fragile the ME currently is.
What happened that Saudi issued the high alert for it's valuable oil .

I cannot even keep track of who is friend & who is foe in that corner of the world.

PCIntern

(25,491 posts)
16. None of these countries mentioned are our "friends"...
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 04:45 PM
Apr 2015

I cannot believe some of the discussions here. This has been going on for thousands of years - like they care what Americans "think", which, AFAIC, is an oxymoron in itself.

Like it or not, we have one and only one country in the region which is our friend, despite all the vituperative hatred voiced by some here on DU for it.

And the Pentagon knows it.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
24. Ya know I couldn't even begin to sort out the hornets nest I see in the M.E.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 08:37 PM
Apr 2015

Tonight on Chris Hayes I am told that ISIS actually grew out of the US's removal of Saadam in Iraq.

And they are pissed at the USA. Forever.
Raa Raa Raa.

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
26. Wesley Clark: "Our friends and allies funded ISIS to destroy Hezbollah"
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 08:42 PM
Apr 2015


“The end of the Assad regime would sever Hezbollah’s lifeline to Iran, eliminate a long-standing threat to Israel, bolster Lebanon’s sovereignty and independence, and inflict a strategic defeat on the Iranian regime. It would be a geopolitical success of the first order. More than all of the compelling moral and humanitarian reasons, this is why Assad cannot be allowed to succeed and remain in power: We have a clear national security interest in his defeat. And that alone should incline us to tolerate a large degree of risk in order to see that this goal is achieved.


http://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/floor-statements?ID=e460be36-c488-e7de-8c38-64c3751adfce

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
23. What do you mean exactly?
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 08:37 PM
Apr 2015

The US has "friends" in the geopolitical sense of the word & Saudi Arabia & various countries mainly the ones with US military installations & Western multinationals. If you mean Israel as our friend pleasing & covering for Saudi Arabia has been a tricky balancing act for years. When Truman "recognized" Israel he was the only one in his administration that actually wanted to do so. All his advisers were against it because it would piss off our oil buddy Saudi Arabia, Truman said his concerns were with "justice not oil" but the bending over backwards & hypocrisy is ridiculous. We are even saving shot down Saudi fighter pilots.

Trillions in arms deals & the US does much of the same with the Saudi coalition. Jordan was a huge CIA rendition ally.

The nature of this thing has gone of thousands of years because they are unfortunate to be located in the middle of all those continents, Turkey especially. Been captured, re-captured so many times & the US sells them more arms than anybody. The US though wasn't an active player until California Oil Company found oil in Saudi Arabia in the 1930s, actually had high perceptions when France & Britain were the hated ones now since the 1930s US perceptions are at rock bottom. They may not care what we think but the civilians see us picking sides like we are with Yemen in favor of the world class human rights violators

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
19. Our friends are authoritarian corrupt governments that open their borders to
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 08:15 PM
Apr 2015

to US & western (mostly Britain) multinationals. Dictators or even Democratic countries that nationalize their oil production are our enemy.

You have had AQAP controlling the Southwest territory for the longest time but when the Houthis seized the capital that was a big concern which came a Saudi led coalition featuring Egypt, Qatar, Kuwait, UAE, Morocco, Bahrain, Sudan, and Jordan. I have yet to look into the country profile of UAE but all those countries are oppressive human rights violators that are mostly dictatorships.

Kuwait is pretty Democratic -- the Parliament appoints a Monarchy that can apparently dissolve them whenever convienent which is kind of weird but only the wealthy elite & corruption is rampant. Bribery & kickbacks are incredibly common

--

CAIRO — Two of Kuwait’s largest banks thought it a bit suspicious when about $92 million was transferred into the accounts of two members of Parliament.

So the National Bank of Kuwait and the Kuwait Finance House alerted the public prosecutor, who decided last week to open an investigation not just into those suspicious deposits, but also into the account activity of seven other members of Parliament, as well.

<snip>

The corruption inquiry threatens to put the government into an impossible position, Mr. Ghabra said. If the emir allows Parliament to remain in place while at least one-fifth of its members are investigated for graft, he risks the growth of ever larger street protests and an erosion of public trust. But if he dissolves Parliament and calls for new elections, public outrage could help usher in a legislature hostile to the monarchy and more assertive in demands for constitutional changes.

“All that the government has in its hand is money, and it thinks it can use it to buy itself time,” Mr. Ghabra said, “but this scandal came about because the government has been using money to buy loyalty” from lawmakers. “We are getting more and more into a situation where money cannot solve the country’s problems. Those who have it do not use it wisely, and the result is a scandal like this that carries a very high political cost.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/22/world/middleeast/corruption-inquiry-rocks-kuwait.html

There was also a huge Army officer scandal at Arif Jan from 2005-2008 whose job was to find businesses to contract a variety of supplies & services (the biggest one was a water bottle company) so they took bribes to give the businesses the contracts. The defense contractors were doing this to as well but unlike the military don't have a UCMJ & independent enforcement such as CID who conducted the investigation & charged the Officers (a few killed themselves after they were caught).

Egypt I'm not really sure, on paper they're Democratic & there was a popular uprising against the Saudi-Qatari backed Mubarak which led to Morsi so Saudi-Qatar helped out the overthrow of him for the next guy who is their friend that recently jailed protestors for lifetime sentences -- including a US journalist. During this time the US sold them military weapons & equipment.

The Yemen government was a top 10 most corrupt country widely considered a "kleptocracy" that was a brutal human rights violators of dissenters or those suspicious of being of dissenters.

The government and its security forces, often considered to suffer from rampant corruption,[262] have been responsible for torture, inhumane treatment, and extrajudicial executions. There are arbitrary arrests of citizens, especially in the south, as well as arbitrary searches of homes. Prolonged pretrial detention is a serious problem, and judicial corruption, inefficiency, and executive interference undermine due process. Freedom of speech, the press, and religion are all restricted.[263] Journalists who tend to be critical of the government are often harassed and threatened by the police.[222] Homosexuality is illegal, punishable by death.[264]

Since the start of the Shia insurgency, many people accused of supporting Al-Houthi have been arrested and held without charge or trial. According to the U.S. State Department International Religious Freedom Report 2007, "Some Zaydis reported harassment and discrimination by the Government because they were suspected of sympathizing with the al-Houthis. However, it appears the Government's actions against the group were probably politically, not religiously, motivated".[265]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemen#Contemporary_Yemen

Your question is interesting on many levels, one reason why is because Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (with many Saudi nationals in their ranks) which is an enemy both the US & Houthis forces share but fighting on the same side as the Hadi loyalists which is who the Saudi-coalition is backing.

Yemen has had countless civil wars since the '60s and probably much longer before, generally the divisions remain the same. The area Houthis control was always the "Socialist" or "Marxist" side & the Hadi & AQAP side right wing. After "North" & "South Yemen" reunified in 1990 there was a Socialist purge. For the longest time Saudi Arabia has been assisting the side that wasn't "Socialist" and somehow AQAP magically appears.

It is easier to make sense of it all when viewing all these conflicts & who is allied with who from an economics lens. Iran nationalizes oil production & a lot of other things including subsidizing health care & other social programs so them gaining influence is a threat to Gulf corporations & foreign multinationals. Saudi Arabia is driven by pushing their Wahabbism but they're practically Libertarian in the sense of regulations & labor rights (non-existent, especially for the imported poor of Asian & Africa workers) -- acquiring massive wealth with human trafficking & slavery.

It gets complicated other places such as the Iraqi government which is allied with Iran with the Iran backed militias (who Iraq prefers to use the unregulated army than the Iraq Army) & ISIS really complicates thing (heavily financed by wealthy donors from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, & Qatar) so you have the US on the same side as Iran basically but Iraq has record levels of oil production & exports with Shell, Exxon, & BP. Iraq also has Russian & Chinese oil companies there too, Iraq is one of those countries that purchase arms from both US & Russia. Which is why the US is OK with the Iraq government for now even though they are brutally oppressing the countries religious minorities.

ISIS I'd guess the US cares so much is they threaten the oil production in a country that handles it more favorably on their terms but the biggest oil field are in the South east corner (where Saddam accused Kuwait of slant drilling in the '90s). Whoever controls the rivers controls the water supply controls the country, Saddam flooded Shia crops or shut it off whenever they were uncooperative, same idea behind the river & dam battles.

Iraq like Yemen & Afghanistan is a top 10 country. Business corruption & corruption in general is rampant in Iraq especially in the area of awarding business contracts (a lot like Kuwait).

Syria is ruled by the Alawite (sect of Shia Islam) Assad who is up there in human rights violations but the reason the US occasionally mentions an interest in regime change is because they nationalize oil production & are very picky with foreign investors they let in. Mostly India & China.

This was recent information

A more recent entrant into the Syrian oil sector was the United Kingdom's Gulfsands Petroleum. At the beginning of 2011, its oil fields produced 20,700 bbl/d (3,290 m3/d).[40] As of February 2012, Gulfsands has suspended its Syria operations and entered into a force majeure due to EU sanctions on the Syrian government prohibiting the trade of oil.[41] Gulfsands dealings in Syria were also hit by EU sanctions due to Syrian tycoon Rami Makhlouf, a cousin of the Syrian president formally owning a 5.7 percent stake in the company,[28] with this stake being suspended in August 2011 due to specific sanctions relating to Makhlouf.[42] Other international players include or included: Canada's Suncor, Poland's Kulczyk, US-Eygptian firm IPR, Croatia's INA, Russia's Stroytransgas and Soyuzneftegaz, and Triton Singapore.[32][43]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Syria#Oil

Also where Syria is located is highly significant. The Aleppo through Baghdad to Kuwait City was a major trade route historically for centuries & there is a reason why the Suez Canal was built. US went as far to recruiting rebels that the CIA smuggled into Turkey flew to Qatar to train & equip them. Syria is a proxy mess but as far as who assisted the Sunni rebels whether moderate or the fundamentalist Wahabbis are Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Morocco, Jordan, Bahrain, & UAE among bunch which includes the US & France.

Assad is supported by Iran & Iraq with the Iran backed militias but also Russia. Iraq is the odd one but the ISIS & Al-Nusra 35d are also fighting to overthrow their government as well as Assad.

US also provided Kurdistan air support which helped them gain control of more territory in Iraq than they had before it all started. Not sure if because they were useful as don't know where they stand on the KRG's dispute but Exxon & everybody has contracts there so they aren't a problem right now. they helped the highest elected Sunni official flee from the Iraq government under Al-Maliki from a political prosecution where he got the death penalty in a trial without him into exile in Turkey & have provided refugee camps. Many of Iraq's & Syria's displaced refugees. But KRG is also an enemy of the Iraq government but share the ISIS enemy.

Anyways, this their current situation in Iraq

Iraqi Kurdistan
Tensions between Iraqi Kurdistan and the central Iraqi government mounted through 2011-2012 on the issues of power sharing, oil production and territorial control. In April 2012, the president of Iraq's semi-autonomous northern Kurdish region demanded that officials agree to their demands or face the prospect of secession from Baghdad by September 2012.[49]

In September 2012, the Iraqi government ordered the KRG to transfer its powers over the Peshmerga to the central government. Relations became further strained by the formation of a new command center (Tigris Operation Command) for Iraqi forces to operate in a disputed area over which both Baghdad and the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) claim jurisdiction.[50] On 16 November 2012 a military clash between the Iraqi forces and the Peshmerga resulted in one person killed.[50] CNN reported that 2 people were killed (one of them an Iraqi soldier) and 10 wounded in clashes at the Tuz Khurmato town.[51]

During the 2014 Northern Iraq offensive, Iraqi Kurdistan seized the city of Kirkuk and the surrounding area, as well as most of the disputed territories in Northern Iraq.

On 1 July 2014, Massud Barzani announced that that "Iraq's Kurds will hold an independence referendum within months."[52] After previously opposing the independence for Iraqi Kurdistan, Turkey has later given signs that it could recognize an independent Kurdish state.[52][53] On 11 July 2014 KRG forces seized control of the Bai Hassan and Kirkuk oilfields, prompting a condemnation from Baghdad and a threat of "dire consequences," if the oilfields were not relinquished back to Iraq's control.[54] In November 2014, Ed Royce introduced a bill to arm the Kurds directly, rather than working through the local governments.[55]

<snip>
Petroleum and mineral resources

KRG-controlled parts of Iraqi Kurdistan contain 4 billion barrels of proven oil reserves. However, the KRG has estimated that the region contains around 45 billion barrels (7.2×109 m3) of unproven oil resource.[93][94][95][96] Extraction of these reserves began in 2007.

In November 2011, Exxon challenged the Iraqi central government's authority with the signing of oil and gas contracts for exploration rights to six parcels of land in Kurdistan, including one contract in the disputed territories, just east of the Kirkuk mega-field.[97] This act caused Baghdad to threaten to revoke Exxon's contract in its southern fields, most notably the West-Qurna Phase 1 project.[98] Exxon responded by announcing its intention to leave the West-Qurna project.[99]

As of July 2007, the Kurdish government solicited foreign companies to invest in 40 new oil sites, with the hope of increasing regional oil production over the following 5 years by a factor of five, to about 1 million barrels per day (160,000 m3/d).[100] Gas and associated gas reserves are in excess of 100×1012 cu ft (2,800 km3).[citation needed] Notable companies active in Kurdistan include Exxon, Total, Chevron, Talisman Energy, MOL Group, Genel Energy, Hunt Oil, Gulf Keystone Petroleum, and Marathon Oil.[101]

Other mineral resources that exist in significant quantities in the region include coal, copper, gold, iron, limestone (which is used to produce cement), marble, and zinc. The world's largest deposit of rock sulfur is located just southwest of Erbil (Hewlêr).[102]

In July 2012, Turkey and the Kurdistan Regional Government signed an agreement by which Turkey will supply the KRG with refined petroleum products in exchange for crude oil. Crude deliveries are expected to occur on a regular basis.[103]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Kurdistan

I really went on much longer than intended but I was seriously in a way trying to explain who is our friends & enemies and why and it seems primarily economically motivated. A lot are caught in the middle but the ones we don't fight directly open their oil fields to Exxon Mobile & those that don't have problems. If people rebel against their government because they are disenfranchised & oppressed but play ball with oil production we save Saudi pilots when US citizens in Yemen are trapped in a country being torn apart by Saudi bombs the US. They're trying to stop Iran helping out the Houthis on the same side of the corrupt government with a lot of Southwest Asia & North African countries. Just sad really.

A couple more things

Libya, Gaddafi has nationalized oil production since the 1960s & the hype was so strong but stopped hearing about him until the 2010s that I didn't know he was still alive even. A lot of the usual suspects such as Qatar were on the rebel sides as well -- I recommend this article on Qatar & their foreign policy -- http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/09/30/the-case-against-qatar/

Afghanistan -- I don't even want to begin on that mess which traces back to 1978.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
28. Good post. bookmark for a future read Thanks.
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 08:45 PM
Apr 2015

Its insane to think we know what's going on because as soon as you think you understand who'who & why, you will be proven wrong by something declared or acted upon by another group.


JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
30. I agree
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 09:01 PM
Apr 2015

For me, first I looked into what exactly ISIS wants which was basically another Saudi Arabia which led to me to Wahabbism & then become fascinated & focused into researching. There is so much I don't know & many countries I have yet to look into. Pakistan & the ISI is on my list to research but it was exactly like you said the more I looked.

Ironically, I was going to recommend -- http://www.al-monitor.com/lobbying# -- because they report in the region & report on issues the mainstream media focuses on & issues they ignore but are relevant current events in various countries. The funny thing is I was going to post the home page but I see an interactive map that details lobbying efforts to influence US foreign policy

http://www.al-monitor.com/lobbying#

At the top are various countries Iraq Syria Syria etc tabs for the stories of national interest to those countries Back channel, Congress, & Russia report on a lot of the foreign relations such as Iran-US talks. Good place to look for latest news.

Lurker Deluxe

(1,036 posts)
15. easily sunk?
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 04:39 PM
Apr 2015

Lol, by whom. Although certainly not solo ... but even if it was "easily sunk" is certainly not a valid term. Roll your dice and show your ass, but attacking a US carrier is pretty much suicide by anything except overwhelming force, which is something few can place on the field.

Last one sunk ... we sunk. There has never been a successful attack on a modern super-carrier. Although certainly "sinkable" ... it would be suicide for aggressive force.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
25. Since when does the US Navy send a single carrier
Mon Apr 20, 2015, 08:39 PM
Apr 2015

anywhere in the world, without a battle group?

Headline writers... made me laugh,

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