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Wed Apr 22, 2015, 07:38 AM Apr 2015

Harry Reid on giving President Obama fast-track authority: "Hell no"

The Hill ‏@thehill 39s40 seconds ago
Harry Reid on giving President Obama fast-track authority: "Hell no" http://hill.cm/6mtPeeE

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid on Tuesday said he is emphatically against the new trade powers legislation that is moving through Congress.

"I have never, ever ... supported a trade agreement, and I'm not going to start now," the Nevada Democrat told reporters. "So the answer is not only no, but hell no."

Reid said that he won't be actively trying to sink the trade bill, but added that "Ron Wyden knows how I feel."

Wyden should "slow this thing down a little bit,” Reid said.


read: http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/239550-reid-im-a-hell-no-on-trade-bill
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Harry Reid on giving President Obama fast-track authority: "Hell no" (Original Post) bigtree Apr 2015 OP
K&R! Sherman A1 Apr 2015 #1
K&R SamKnause Apr 2015 #2
Thank you, Harry! MissDeeds Apr 2015 #3
harry unchained? mopinko Apr 2015 #4
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Apr 2015 #5
Thank you, Harry. Dont call me Shirley Apr 2015 #6
"Reid said that he won't be actively trying to sink the trade bill". n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2015 #7
i.e.- Kabuki Theater appal_jack Apr 2015 #14
Explain how Harry can make that happen, please. Who will support him in that endeavor? MADem Apr 2015 #17
You want me to explain to you how a Senator might mount a filibuster? Really? appal_jack Apr 2015 #18
Yeah--I want you to identify his compatriots, and how he's going to get it on the schedule.. MADem Apr 2015 #21
That's not how things worked when Reid was majority leader. appal_jack Apr 2015 #22
Reid WANTED them to make asses of themselves. Good grief, that was always obvious. MADem Apr 2015 #23
See: The First Rule of Holes BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #38
He could help Bernie who is also elderly make a stand Mojorabbit Apr 2015 #31
No one knows the rule book better than Harry. But even though the article called it MADem Apr 2015 #40
'Hell No!' is good enough for me. sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #24
Give em hell Harry! raindaddy Apr 2015 #8
A pity our man Harry didn't have more help staying "MAJORITY" leader--it would give him a bit more MADem Apr 2015 #9
That's how Dem voters roll MaggieD Apr 2015 #10
When will they realize that it matters more than, say, Big Time Wrestling, or the MADem Apr 2015 #16
You nailed it MaggieD Apr 2015 #33
Just like McConnell went from tactical genius to bumbling oaf when he became majority leader. geek tragedy Apr 2015 #12
Ain't that the truth. I, myself, prefer my Democrats in the majority...and I appreciate MADem Apr 2015 #15
A principled ACTUAL fight now might help the 2016 Democratic campaigns. appal_jack Apr 2015 #19
Harry's done. He's retiring at the end of his term. MADem Apr 2015 #20
And yet after all the ridicule and laughs yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #29
It's not our way. We're the Party of Adults, not the party of crying whiners. nt MADem Apr 2015 #30
If only the voters wanted the adults in office yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #32
Too many people bought the bullshit that "there's no difference between the two parties." And they MADem Apr 2015 #41
What's funny about cheering for a Politician when s/he is RIGHT and criticizing them when they are sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #25
What's funny about losing the majority? Nothing. MADem Apr 2015 #26
I agree, tell it to the Party Leadership. We worked hard to get that majority for nearly sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #27
"We" didn't work hard enough to keep it, though. nt MADem Apr 2015 #28
Maybe you didn't, but I know most Dems did. Without cooperation from the sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #35
I work every election--local, state and federal. nt MADem Apr 2015 #37
Avoid small planes at all costs. n/t DefenseLawyer Apr 2015 #11
There was this other guy named Harry... bayareaboy Apr 2015 #13
Harry needs to actively sink it. Harry needs to LEAD a FILIBUSTER of Fast Track. Faryn Balyncd Apr 2015 #34
Right. He is a lame duck like the President. nm rhett o rick Apr 2015 #36
Reid is grandstanding, he knows TPA will pass the Senate. tritsofme Apr 2015 #39
 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
14. i.e.- Kabuki Theater
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 10:48 AM
Apr 2015

Any Senator saying "Hell NO" should be threatening a filibuster.

Anything else is empty rhetoric.

k&r for every bit of fight we can muster though,

-app

MADem

(135,425 posts)
17. Explain how Harry can make that happen, please. Who will support him in that endeavor?
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 11:25 AM
Apr 2015

Which Senator should he pick to read from Dr. Seuss?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
21. Yeah--I want you to identify his compatriots, and how he's going to get it on the schedule..
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 12:10 PM
Apr 2015

I don't see him even making an attempt. So please--do tell us how he'd do it, and who would stand with him.

He's pushing eighty and ill, it won't be him standing and speaking for hours....so do tell us who will carry this out?

 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
22. That's not how things worked when Reid was majority leader.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 01:12 PM
Apr 2015

I seem to recall Republicans mounting filibusters with just a memo. Reid's response then was "Oh well, we don't have the votes to over-ride, so..."

But keep on excusing weakness and passivity on the Democrats' side, and then blaming voters for insufficient enthusiasm. I predict splendid returns in 2016 on this strategy.

-app

MADem

(135,425 posts)
23. Reid WANTED them to make asses of themselves. Good grief, that was always obvious.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 01:19 PM
Apr 2015

Except, apparently, to you.




He's a smart guy. He knows what sells...and what doesn't. What's clever strategy (avoiding any appearance of being an impediment in the majority OR refusing to act like an ignorant ass in the minority) to most people is apparently "weakness and passivity" to you.

Mojorabbit

(16,020 posts)
31. He could help Bernie who is also elderly make a stand
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 01:43 PM
Apr 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026549089 There is more than one way to approach this. making excuses for politicians is not one of them.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
40. No one knows the rule book better than Harry. But even though the article called it
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:46 PM
Apr 2015

'kind of filibustering' it wasn't that. Not at all. Not even close. It was using the rule book to his advantage. It's a very different thing than sitting up there like a fucking idiot, reading Green Eggs and Ham.

Who's "making excuses for politicians?"

MADem

(135,425 posts)
9. A pity our man Harry didn't have more help staying "MAJORITY" leader--it would give him a bit more
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:26 AM
Apr 2015

say in the matter.

Funny how people who hated him and couldn't say a nice thing about the man are now cheering him on. Would that he'd gotten some of that help during the last election cycle to stay in the catbird seat. Oh well--he will, as he always does, do the best that he can.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
10. That's how Dem voters roll
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 10:26 AM
Apr 2015

Sadly. Sit home because of their purity test that 99% of politicians can't pass. Then bitch when bad things happen.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
16. When will they realize that it matters more than, say, Big Time Wrestling, or the
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 11:24 AM
Apr 2015

outcome of a reality show?

I guess we do get the government we deserve, but I wish more of us were on the "We Deserve BETTER!!!" team!

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
33. You nailed it
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 02:37 PM
Apr 2015

I often think, "well, dang it, we DO get the government we deserve!" But then I immediately think, dang it, we deserve better!

In my mind, we always have to deal with the political reality we find ourselves in. And the political reality just gets worse when people sit home either through apathy or some misguided notion that they will drive the party to the left by not voting.

To my way of thinking, politicians barely care about the people who DO vote for them. They care nothing for the views of the people that don't vote.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
12. Just like McConnell went from tactical genius to bumbling oaf when he became majority leader.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 10:28 AM
Apr 2015

Everything is upside down in the Senate.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
15. Ain't that the truth. I, myself, prefer my Democrats in the majority...and I appreciate
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 11:22 AM
Apr 2015

them when they have to make tough tactical decisions! All we can do is support them and hope for a better day after Nov 2016.

 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
19. A principled ACTUAL fight now might help the 2016 Democratic campaigns.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 11:43 AM
Apr 2015

It only takes one Senator to filibuster. Repubs know how to do it when they are in the minority. Do Dems?

-app

MADem

(135,425 posts)
20. Harry's done. He's retiring at the end of his term.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 12:06 PM
Apr 2015

When the GOP did it when they were in the minority, they were mocked and derided because it was stupid and pointless.

I don't see holding them up as an example does any good or changes any hearts and minds.

The way to fight this is to do it in the media--not by reading horse shit on the floor of the Senate.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
29. And yet after all the ridicule and laughs
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 01:36 PM
Apr 2015

The American public gave them the Senate. I think it is worth a shot to do it. What's the worse that could happen? Late night fodder? So what!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
41. Too many people bought the bullshit that "there's no difference between the two parties." And they
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:49 PM
Apr 2015

stayed home as a consequence.

Hell, I saw that "no difference" shit being shopped HERE....by people who are real good at complaining that nothing gets done, too.

And we wonder why we end up in these fixes...?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
25. What's funny about cheering for a Politician when s/he is RIGHT and criticizing them when they are
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 01:26 PM
Apr 2015

WRONG?

What is 'funny' to me are people who cheer blindly for their favorite politicians no matter how wrong they are sometimes. And opposing politicians blindly even when they do something right.

Too bad the Leadership of the Party lost us the House and Senate.

Reid is right on this, so I'm cheering for him. When he was wrong, and he was, I did not cheer for him.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
26. What's funny about losing the majority? Nothing.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 01:28 PM
Apr 2015

Some folk just can't see the forest for the trees, and they find that something to be proud about.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
27. I agree, tell it to the Party Leadership. We worked hard to get that majority for nearly
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 01:33 PM
Apr 2015

a decade. The Party Leadership threw it away. '

Let's hope they don't lose us the WH also.

We would have lost more if voters didn't take matters into their own hands and save most of the Progressive seats, many not supported by the leadership.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
35. Maybe you didn't, but I know most Dems did. Without cooperation from the
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 04:10 PM
Apr 2015

party leadership, see NJ race for Governor eg, a Blue State, where the party, and a majority of NJ elected Dems abandoned the Progressive Dem, and went further, endorsed and voted for the Republican, it wasn't easy.

Happens a lot these days, so now the grassroots won't be depending on them to support good Dems, they are doing it themselves and succeeding so far.

bayareaboy

(793 posts)
13. There was this other guy named Harry...
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 10:40 AM
Apr 2015

and it seems like he was there for the America labor and decent trade back in the forties.

Faryn Balyncd

(5,125 posts)
34. Harry needs to actively sink it. Harry needs to LEAD a FILIBUSTER of Fast Track.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 03:50 PM
Apr 2015

It's not enough to let Wyden know how you feel.

And Wyden needs to repent and defeat the bill.




K and R. Thanks for posting.










tritsofme

(17,376 posts)
39. Reid is grandstanding, he knows TPA will pass the Senate.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:33 PM
Apr 2015

The deal President Obama negotiates deserves an up or down vote, not obstructionism.

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