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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 08:31 AM Apr 2015

The Clintons Still Aren’t Corrupt - By Michael Tomasky

If you live in Hillary-Conspiracy-Land, she turned State into a giant shakedown operation. Back here on Planet Earth, it’s a tad different.

So now I’m supposed to believe that Hillary Clinton turned the Department of State into a giant shakedown operation? According to Beltway conventional wisdom, it seems that I am compelled to believe exactly that. Because you know those Clintons.

And so we have a lot of credulous hand-waving about this new book. Conservative sharpen their knives, liberals sweat bullets that it’s all over. But very few people stop to think: Clinton has been in our faces for 20-plus years. Where is any evidence of real corruption? I don’t mean stuff you may not have liked or that kinda looked funny. I mean actual, Rhode-Island-style, steal-a-hot-stove corruption.

Don’t say Whitewater. She endured millions of dollars’ worth of investigations by a prosecutor (Ken Starr) who quite obviously wanted to nail her to the wall, and he came up with nothing. I still remember, by the way, the hopped-up political atmosphere after Bill Safire wrote a column calling her a “congenital liar” and predicted that she was going to be indicted any day now. It was not unlike the mood this week, as we anticipate The New York Times and The Washington Post’s reducing themselves into effectively collaborating with Fox News to trumpet Peter Schweizer’s book. But Safire was wrong, as he in fact so often was about so many things, and Starr never got her.

Cattle futures, billing records—it’s all the same. Thousands of people, people who hate her and want to see her thrown in jail, have been over and over and over these things. I know that the fact that she walks freely among us suggests to many people that she and Bill are so brilliantly devious that they always knew exactly how to get away with it. But just maybe Occam’s Razor applies here, and she’s never done anything illegal.

And now she is supposed to have muscled through a trade deal with Colombia to thank a donor to her husband’s foundation. Right. Look at the chronology.

The man whose business interests the Colombia deal apparently advanced was named Frank Giustra, a Bill friend who has, as we shall see, come up before in the media in this connection. Giustra gave the Clinton Foundation $131 million—$31 million in 2006, (NOTE: this initially said 2005 but has been corrected) and another $100 million pledged that same year that he made good on over the next three years, up through 2008.

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The Clintons Still Aren’t Corrupt - By Michael Tomasky (Original Post) DonViejo Apr 2015 OP
Thank you. That was what I was waiting for. underpants Apr 2015 #1
... 99Forever Apr 2015 #2
It's hard to believe the Clintons, knowing she would probably run for President, enough Apr 2015 #3
Yup. Agschmid Apr 2015 #4
Republicans are dying to spend the next four years implying it in investigations. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2015 #14
Yes. ImaPolitico Apr 2015 #18
Too bad the GOP voters won't concern themselves in the least with fact checking any of this nt okaawhatever Apr 2015 #5
Too bad a bunch of posters here won't concern themselves with fact checking either nt Hekate Apr 2015 #10
This. riqster Apr 2015 #25
A bunch, glad you said it that way. I am out of energy defending the Democratic Party NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #26
Thank you for chiming in, NJNP Hekate Apr 2015 #36
Not according to some here...... Historic NY Apr 2015 #6
That idiot writer didn't even have to investigate or do any reporting OKNancy Apr 2015 #7
Love to read this writers columns. ImaPolitico Apr 2015 #16
I was obviously not writing about Tomsky. I was writing about Schweizer OKNancy Apr 2015 #19
repug makes shit up - i don't believe anything they say samsingh Apr 2015 #8
Do not forget ImaPolitico Apr 2015 #17
agreed samsingh Apr 2015 #22
NOTHING they EVER say is true unless it is a coincidence. NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #27
Thank. You. Jesus Christ on a Trailer Hitch, how can people keep swallowing this? Hekate Apr 2015 #9
Because the rethugs keep shoving it down their throats. Swallowing is a survival thing. I am not jwirr Apr 2015 #11
Kick & recommended. William769 Apr 2015 #12
OK, so you take a list of all of the donors to the Clinton Foundation hollowdweller Apr 2015 #13
Problem for the author of the book, Peter Schweizer, and the GOP is simple.... DonViejo Apr 2015 #20
That author is a CREEP of the first order!!!!!!!!! MADem Apr 2015 #24
Well known punk, but "joe and jill dont pay much attention america" dont know that NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #28
This is their version of Swift Boating Hillary. Taking her strength and trying to turn it pnwmom Apr 2015 #15
MUCH MUCH more to come and expect to see it flaunted around here ALL day long NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #29
Heh, I'll never understand people fucking up the chronology of events. joshcryer Apr 2015 #21
Tomasky doesn't mention Phil Gramm. Octafish Apr 2015 #23
Cute false equivalency and despicably nasty smear. emulatorloo Apr 2015 #30
So I got to defend Phil Gramm? No thanks. Octafish Apr 2015 #32
No one asked you to defend that crook Graham. But you knew that already. emulatorloo Apr 2015 #33
What makes you angrier, that I said corruption is legal or that Phil and Bill do business together? Octafish Apr 2015 #35
Well ain't you a piece of work? Hekate Apr 2015 #37
Good thing I didn't bring up Jackson Stephens. Octafish Apr 2015 #38
Once again, the anti-tranparency crowd is after you! Rex Apr 2015 #39
That OP was in September 2008. Octafish Apr 2015 #40
NP. They are desperate to get rid of you. Rex Apr 2015 #41
The things that are really wrong with the Clintons won't be discussed during the campaign. Orsino Apr 2015 #31
The Clinton Cash book is a right wing attack piece financed by Murdoch and the idiot funding Cruz Gothmog Apr 2015 #34

underpants

(182,773 posts)
1. Thank you. That was what I was waiting for.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 08:48 AM
Apr 2015

I was going to search for how *SCANDAL! this rich guy got richer* but I knew sooner or later I would get the whole story here on DU.

So there is time travel involved. See! They were ever so right about all those years when they were continually wrong.

enough

(13,256 posts)
3. It's hard to believe the Clintons, knowing she would probably run for President,
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:03 AM
Apr 2015

would have allowed their Foundation to get into anything nefarious.

ImaPolitico

(150 posts)
18. Yes.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 06:40 PM
Apr 2015

Repub-led Congress have done nothing but coast for going on seven years not to mention all their time off away from Washington. OMG, what would Boehner do if he could not play golf with his rich corp buddies at posh country clubs and raise big bucks for his coffers. MSM. They only want to report when the President golfs because that is really newsworthy to them. And it brings in a lot of hits for their Internet articles thus more ad revenue.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
26. A bunch, glad you said it that way. I am out of energy defending the Democratic Party
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:43 PM
Apr 2015

and Hillary Clinton. Around here that is a full time job.

And I get such a laugh out of it, I am so liberal I make HRC look like Nixon

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
6. Not according to some here......
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:44 AM
Apr 2015

guilty even when the foundations books are open to examination. I'd match what the Clinton foundation has done world wide to change people lives vs the Koch bros any day.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
7. That idiot writer didn't even have to investigate or do any reporting
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 10:36 AM
Apr 2015

He got all the information from the OPEN RECORDS of the foundation.
Then he just made up the rest.

ImaPolitico

(150 posts)
16. Love to read this writers columns.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 06:28 PM
Apr 2015

He is not an "idiot writer. "He has a name-- Michael Tomsky from Daily Beast. He is a great writer and tells the truth. Thank you.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
19. I was obviously not writing about Tomsky. I was writing about Schweizer
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 06:51 PM
Apr 2015

the Republican who wrote the book which is the subject of this article

samsingh

(17,595 posts)
8. repug makes shit up - i don't believe anything they say
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 11:08 AM
Apr 2015

hey - they stole the PRESIDENCY in 2000. they started multiple wars through lies. they probably let 911 happen to get support (remember cheney's comment about needing a new pearl harbor?).

nothing should be put past them. i don't believe anything coming out of their sick, twisted, stinky mouths.

ImaPolitico

(150 posts)
17. Do not forget
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 06:32 PM
Apr 2015

What Jebbie Bush did while Guv/Florida to help his big bro ( Georgie Boy) win the election.
The only way Repubs can win is by cheating.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
11. Because the rethugs keep shoving it down their throats. Swallowing is a survival thing. I am not
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 12:33 PM
Apr 2015

a Hillary supporter in the primary but I think this is the dumbest anti-Hillary issue of all. They knew from the start that they would be watched and they are not dumb.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
13. OK, so you take a list of all of the donors to the Clinton Foundation
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 12:55 PM
Apr 2015

Then you investigate their business dealings.

Then you look for any policy decision during the Obama Administration that would be in their favor.

Since Obama in my book was more conciliatory and friendly with banks and businesses than bankrupt homeowners or underpaid workers I would say just the law of averages would indicate that you could probably find some policy decision that benefitted 50% or better of Clintons donors.

Seems like if the reporting on this book is halfway real that it will only serve to excite the crazy, conspiracy minded GOP grassroots. The Kenya born and Fema Camp crew.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
20. Problem for the author of the book, Peter Schweizer, and the GOP is simple....
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 07:17 PM
Apr 2015
Schweizer Admits He Cannot Prove Allegations In Clinton Cash
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026546681

and:

The Media Is Hyping A New, Unreleased Anti-Hillary Book. Here’s What It Really Says.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026546719

MADem

(135,425 posts)
24. That author is a CREEP of the first order!!!!!!!!!
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:39 PM
Apr 2015
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Schweizer


Peter Franz Schweizer is an American author, academic, and political consultant. He is currently the president of the Government Accountability Institute, and is a former William J. Casey Research Fellow at the Hoover Institution....


Say no more!!!!!!!!!

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
15. This is their version of Swift Boating Hillary. Taking her strength and trying to turn it
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 05:48 PM
Apr 2015

into a weakness.

Before, it was slick Willie married to boring, frumpy, good-goody (maybe Lesbian) Hillary.

So now they're trying to turn her into slick Willie. It won't work unless we're all idiots.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
29. MUCH MUCH more to come and expect to see it flaunted around here ALL day long
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:45 PM
Apr 2015

The shit we are gonna have to put up with until the convention because of the way the rules work around here, will be massive

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
21. Heh, I'll never understand people fucking up the chronology of events.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 11:38 PM
Apr 2015

It's always the first thing I check when it comes to dealings. People make shit up all the time, say two truths, put them side by side, and it looks terrible. But they leave out the timeline, which makes it an outright lie.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
23. Tomasky doesn't mention Phil Gramm.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 10:02 AM
Apr 2015

Technically, he's not corrupt, either. His actions, though, have served the same purpose: Emptied the Public Treasury into Private and well-connected Pockets.

Today, Phil's a Vice Chairman at UBS -- Swiss recipient of US taxpayer dollars during the Great Bankster Bailout of 2008:

SOURCE: http://financialservicesinc.ubs.com/revitalizingamerica/SenatorPhilGramm.html

So while it's not technically breaking the letter of the law, the spirit, somehow, comes out the lesser in getting trampled for the experience.

Some of why DUers and ALL voters should care about Phil Gramm.

emulatorloo

(44,116 posts)
30. Cute false equivalency and despicably nasty smear.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:47 PM
Apr 2015

"Technically, he's not corrupt, either. His actions, though, have served the same purpose: Emptied the Public Treasury into Private and well-connected Pockets. "

Back up your innuendo that HRC has emptied the public treasury into private and well connected pockets like Gramm did.

Of FUCKING DELETE IT.

Already discredited Wingnut smears like "Clinton Cash" or conspiracy kook fact-free assertions don't count.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
32. So I got to defend Phil Gramm? No thanks.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:53 PM
Apr 2015
Know your BFEE: Phil Gramm, the Meyer Lansky of the War Party, Set-Up the Biggest Bank Heist Ever.

The Sting

In the best rip-off, the mark never knows that he or she was set up for fleecing.
In the case of the great financial meltdown of 2008, the victim is the U.S. taxpayer.
Going by the lack of analysis in Corporate McPravda, We the People are in for a royal fleecing.



Don’t just take my word about the current situation between giant criminality and the politically connected.

[font color="green"][font size="5"]You see, there is evidence of conspiracy. An honest FBI agent warned us in 2004 about the coming financial meltdown and the powers-that-be stiffed him, too.[/font size][/font color]

The story’s below. And it’s not fiction. It is true to life.



The Set-Up

You don’t have to be a fan of Paul Newman or Robert Redford to smell a BFEE rat. The oily critter’s name is Gramm. Phil Gramm. He helped Ronald Reagan push through his trickle-down fiscal policy and later helped de-regulate the nation's once-healthy Saving & Loan industry. We all know how well that worked out: Know your BFEE: They Looted Your Nation’s S&Ls for Power and Profit.

In 1999, then-super conservative Texas U.S. Senator Gramm helped pass the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Financial Services Modernization Act. This law allowed banks to act like investment houses. Using federally-guaranteed savings accounts, banks now could make risky commercial and real-estate loans.

The law should’ve been called the Gramm-Lansky Act. To those who gave a damn, it was obviously a potential disaster. During the bill’s debate, the specter of a “taxpayer bail-out” was raised by Sen. Byron Dorgan of North Dakota, warning about what had happened to the deregulated S&Ls.

Gramm wasn’t alone on the deregulation bandwagon. The law passed, IIRC, like 89-9. More than a few of my own Democratic faves went along with this deregulation, “get-government-off-the-back-of-business” law.

Today we have their love child, MOAB—for the Mother Of All Bailouts.


The Mark

In a sting, someone has to supply the money to be ripped off. Crooks call that person the mark or target or mope. In the present case, that’s the U.S. taxpayer.

Today’s financial crisis seems like a re-run of what happened to the Savings & Loans industry in the late 1980s. Well it is a lot like what happened to the S&Ls. Then, as now, it’s the U.S. taxpayer who gets to pick up the tab for someone else’s party.

Don’t worry, U.S. taxpayer. You’re getting something (among several things) for your $700 billion. You’re getting all the bad mortgage-based paper on almost all of Wall Street. I’d rather have penny stocks, because if there ever was something of negative value it’s the complicated notes and derivatives based on this mortgage debt.



When it comes to Bush economic policy, left holding the bag are We the People, er, Mopes. Don’t worry, it can’t get worse. As St. Ronnie would say, “Well. Yes.” You see, what the bag U.S. taxpayers hold is less than empty. It’s filled with bad debt.


The Mastermind

Chief economist amongst these merry band of thieves and traitors was one Phil Gramm (once a conservative Democrat and then an ultraconservative Republican-Taxus). An economist by training and reputation, Gramm was one of the guiding lights of Reaganomics, the cut taxes, domestic spending, and regulations while raising defense-spending to new heights. In sum, it was a fiscal policy to enrich friends – especially the kind connected to the BFEE.




Foreclosure Phil

Years before Phil Gramm was a McCain campaign adviser and a lobbyist for a Swiss bank at the center of the housing credit crisis, he pulled a sly maneuver in the Senate that helped create today's subprime meltdown.


David Corn
MotherJones.com
May 28, 2008

Who's to blame for the biggest financial catastrophe of our time? There are plenty of culprits, but one candidate for lead perp is former Sen. Phil Gramm. Eight years ago, as part of a decades-long anti-regulatory crusade, Gramm pulled a sly legislative maneuver that greased the way to the multibillion-dollar subprime meltdown. Yet has Gramm been banished from the corridors of power? Reviled as the villain who bankrupted Middle America? Hardly. Now a well-paid executive at a Swiss bank, Gramm cochairs Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign and advises the Republican candidate on economic matters. He's been mentioned as a possible Treasury secretary should McCain win. That's right: A guy who helped screw up the global financial system could end up in charge of US economic policy. Talk about a market failure.

Gramm's long been a handmaiden to Big Finance. In the 1990s, as chairman of the Senate banking committee, he routinely turned down Securities and Exchange Commission chairman Arthur Levitt's requests for more money to police Wall Street; during this period, the sec's workload shot up 80 percent, but its staff grew only 20 percent. Gramm also opposed an sec rule that would have prohibited accounting firms from getting too close to the companies they audited—at one point, according to Levitt's memoir, he warned the sec chairman that if the commission adopted the rule, its funding would be cut. And in 1999, Gramm pushed through a historic banking deregulation bill that decimated Depression-era firewalls between commercial banks, investment banks, insurance companies, and securities firms—setting off a wave of merger mania.

But Gramm's most cunning coup on behalf of his friends in the financial services industry—friends who gave him millions over his 24-year congressional career—came on December 15, 2000. It was an especially tense time in Washington. Only two days earlier, the Supreme Court had issued its decision on Bush v. Gore. President Bill Clinton and the Republican-controlled Congress were locked in a budget showdown. It was the perfect moment for a wily senator to game the system. As Congress and the White House were hurriedly hammering out a $384-billion omnibus spending bill, Gramm slipped in a 262-page measure called the Commodity Futures Modernization Act. Written with the help of financial industry lobbyists and cosponsored by Senator Richard Lugar (R-Ind.), the chairman of the agriculture committee, the measure had been considered dead—even by Gramm. Few lawmakers had either the opportunity or inclination to read the version of the bill Gramm inserted. "Nobody in either chamber had any knowledge of what was going on or what was in it," says a congressional aide familiar with the bill's history.

It's not exactly like Gramm hid his handiwork—far from it. The balding and bespectacled Texan strode onto the Senate floor to hail the act's inclusion into the must-pass budget package. But only an expert, or a lobbyist, could have followed what Gramm was saying. The act, he declared, would ensure that neither the sec nor the Commodity Futures Trading Commission (cftc) got into the business of regulating newfangled financial products called swaps—and would thus "protect financial institutions from overregulation" and "position our financial services industries to be world leaders into the new century."

Subprime 1-2-3

Don't understand credit default swaps? Don't worry—neither does Congress. Herewith, a step-by-step outline of the subprime risk betting game. —Casey Miner

CONTINUED…

http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2008/07/foreclo...




A fine mind for modern Bushonomics. Kill the middle class. Then, rob from the poor to give to the rich.

The Mentor



Anyone who’s ever heard him talk knows that Gramm must’ve learned all this stuff from somebody. He could never think it all up on his own. He had to have help. That’s where Meyer Lansky, the man who brought modern finance to the Mafia, comes in.



Money Laundering

Answers.com


EXCERPT...

History

Modern development


The act of "money laundering" was not invented during the Prohibition era in the United States, but many techniques were developed and refined then. Many methods were devised to disguise the origins of money generated by the sale of then-illegal alcoholic beverages. Following Al Capone's 1931 conviction for tax evasion, mobster Meyer Lansky transferred funds from Florida "carpet joints" (small casinos) to accounts overseas. After the 1934 Swiss Banking Act, which created the principle of bank secrecy, Meyer Lansky bought a Swiss bank to which he would transfer his illegal funds through a complex system of shell companies, holding companies, and offshore accounts.(1)

The term "money laundering" does not derive, as is often said, from Al Capone having used laundromats to hide ill-gotten gains. It was Meyer Lansky who perfected money laundering's older brother, "capital flight," transferring his funds to Switzerland and other offshore places. The first reference to the term "money laundering" itself actually appears during the Watergate scandal. US President Richard Nixon's "Committee to Re-elect the President" moved illegal campaign contributions to Mexico, then brought the money back through a company in Miami. It was Britain's Guardian newspaper that coined the term, referring to the process as "laundering.&quot 3)


Process

Money laundering is often described as occurring in three stages: placement, layering, and integration.(3)

Placement: refers to the initial point of entry for funds derived from criminal activities.

Layering: refers to the creation of complex networks of transactions which attempt to obscure the link between the initial entry point, and the end of the laundering cycle.

Integration: refers to the return of funds to the legitimate economy for later extraction.

However, The Anti Money Laundering Network recommends the terms

Hide: to reflect the fact that cash is often introduced to the economy via commercial concerns which may knowingly or not knowingly be part of the laundering scheme, and it is these which ultimately prove to be the interface between the criminal and the financial sector

Move: clearly explains that the money launderer uses transfers, sales and purchase of assets, and changes the shape and size of the lump of money so as to obfuscate the trail between money and crime or money and criminal.

Invest: the criminal spends the money: he/she may invest it in assets, or in his/her lifestyle.

CONTINUED...

http://www.answers.com/topic/money-laundering



The great journalist Lucy Komisar has shone a big light on the subject:



Offshore Banking

The U.S.A.’s Secret Threat


Lucy Komisar
The Blacklisted Journalist
June 1, 2003

EXCERPT…

In 1932, mobster Meyer Lansky took money from New Orleans slot machines and shifted it to accounts overseas. The Swiss secrecy law two years later assured him of G-man-proof banking. Later, he bought a Swiss bank and for years deposited his Havana casino take in Miami accounts, then wired the funds to Switzerland via a network of shell and holding companies and offshore accounts, some of them in banks whose officials knew very well they were working for criminals. By the 1950s, Lansky was using the system for cash from the heroin trade.

Today, offshore is where most of the world's drug money is laundered, estimated at up to $500 billion a year, more than the total income of the world's poorest 20 percent. Add the proceeds of tax evasion and the figure skyrockets to $1 trillion. Another few hundred billion come from fraud and corruption.

Lansky laundered money so he could pay taxes and legitimate his spoils. About half the users of offshore have opposite goals. As hotel owner and tax cheat Leona Helmsley said---according to her former housekeeper during Helmsley's trial for tax evasion---"Only the little people pay taxes." Rich individuals and corporations avoid taxes through complex, accountant-aided schemes that routinely use offshore accounts and companies to hide income and manufacture deductions.

The impact is massive. The IRS estimates that taxpayers fail to pay in excess of $100 billion in taxes annually due on income from legal sources. The General Accounting Office says that American wage-earners report 97 percent of their wages, while self-employed persons report just 11 percent of theirs. Each year between 1989 and 1995, a majority of corporations, both foreign- and U.S.-controlled, paid no U.S. income tax. European governments are fighting the same problem. The situation is even worse in developing countries.

The issue surfaces in the press when an accounting scam is so outrageous that it strains credulity. Take the case of Stanley Works, which announced a "move" of its headquarters-on paper-from New Britain, Connecticut, to Bermuda and of its imaginary management to Barbados. Though its building and staff would actually stay put, manufacturing hammers and wrenches, Stanley Works would no longer pay taxes on profits from international trade. The Securities and Exchange Commission, run by Harvey Pitt---an attorney who for more than twenty years represented the top accounting and Wall Street firms he was regulating---accepted the pretense as legal.

"The whole business is a sham," fumed New York District Attorney Robert Morgenthau, who more than any other U.S. law enforcer has attacked the offshore system. "The headquarters will be in a country where that company is not permitted to do business. They're saying a company is managed in Barbados when there's one meeting there a year. In the prospectus, they say legally controlled and managed in Barbados. If they took out the word legally, it would be a fraud. But Barbadian law says it's legal, so it's legal." The conceit apparently also persuaded the Securities and Exchange Commission.

CONTINUED…

http://www.bigmagic.com/pages/blackj/column92e.html



Socialize the risk for Wall Street. Privatize the loss to Uncle Sam’s nieces and nephews. Congratulations, Dear Reader! Now you know as much as Phil Gramm.

The Diversion

Still, a global financial meltdown sounds like something bad. Making things worse, we’re hearing that Uncle Sam is broke! Flat busted. Tapped out.

That’s odd, though. We the People see the Treasury being emptied with tax breaks for the wealthy and checks to the companies they own that make money off of war. Want to know how to make a buck these days? Invest in the likes of Halliburton and Northrup Grumman. Anything in the warmongering business connected to Bush and his cronies will weather the downturn or depression.

The Wall Street Journal -- a paper owned and operated by Fox News’ head, Rupert Murdoch – was very quick to promote the crisis, as DUer JustPlainKathy observed. The paper was even faster to pounce on a solution: What’s needed is a safety net for banks. And quick as a wink, they found the answer!
Only the U.S. taxpayer has the wherewithal to prevent the collapse of the global financial system -- a global economic meltdown that would freeze up credit and investment and expansion and prosperity and a return to the Great Depression. Who can be against that?

Oh. Kay. Sounds about right – Rupert the Alien agreeing with what Leona Helmsley said: “Only the little people pay taxes.”



Gramm and McCain also are in favor of privatization. How nice is that?

The Getaway

George Walker Bush and his right-wing pals feel they can get away with this, their latest rip-off the American taxpayers. Who can blame them? When compared to their clear record of incompetence, lies, fraud, theft, mass-murder, warmongering and treason, what’s a few trillion dollar rip-off?



Still, it's weird how they act.
They must really think they’ll be welcomed with open arms in Paraguay and Dubai and Switzerland.
Going by the welcome the world gave the Shah of Iran, they’re in for a big surprise.

The FBI Guy

Don’t say we weren’t warned. An intrepid FBI agent with something sorely lacking in the rest of the Bush administration, integrity, blew the whistle on the bank thing…



FBI saw threat of mortgage crisis

A top official warned of widening loan fraud in 2004, but the agency focused its resources elsewhere.

By Richard B. Schmitt
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

August 25, 2008

WASHINGTON — Long before the mortgage crisis began rocking Main Street and Wall Street, a top FBI official made a chilling, if little-noticed, prediction: The booming mortgage business, fueled by low interest rates and soaring home values, was starting to attract shady operators and billions in losses were possible.

"It has the potential to be an epidemic," Chris Swecker, the FBI official in charge of criminal investigations, told reporters in September 2004. But, he added reassuringly, the FBI was on the case. "We think we can prevent a problem that could have as much impact as the S&L crisis," he said.

Today, the damage from the global mortgage meltdown has more than matched that of the savings-and-loan bailouts of the 1980s and early 1990s. By some estimates, it has made that costly debacle look like chump change. But it's also clear that the FBI failed to avert a problem it had accurately forecast.

Banks and brokerages have written down more than $300 billion of mortgage-backed securities and other risky investments in the last year or so as homeowner defaults leaped and weakness in the real estate market spread.

SNIP…

Most observers have declared the mess a gross failure of regulation. To be sure, in the run-up to the crisis, market-oriented federal regulators bragged about their hands-off treatment of banks and other savings institutions and their executives. But it wasn't just regulators who were looking the other way. The FBI and its parent agency, the Justice Department, are supposed to act as the cops on the beat for potentially illegal activities by bankers and others. But they were focused on national security and other priorities, and paid scant attention to white-collar crimes that may have contributed to the lending and securities debacle.

Now that the problems are out in the open, the government's response strikes some veteran regulators as too little, too late.

Swecker, who retired from the FBI in 2006, declined to comment for this article.

But sources familiar with the FBI budget process, who were not authorized to speak publicly about the growing fraud problem, say that he and other FBI criminal investigators sought additional assistance to take on the mortgage scoundrels.

They ended up with fewer resources, rather than more.

CONTINUED…

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-mortgagefraud25-2008aug25,0,6946937.story



We were warned and nothing happened.

Repeat: And nothing happened.

They must think We the People are really stupid. Are we supposed to believe that all that $700 billion in bad debt just happened? Where did all that money go? Who got all the money?

Meyer Lansky moved the Mafia’s money from the Cuban casinos to Switzerland. He did so by buying a bank in Miami. Phil Gramm seems to have done the same thing as vice-chairman of UBS, except the amounts are in the billions.

Who cares? He’s almost gone? Nope. That money still exists somewhere. I have a pretty good idea of where it might be. And George Bush and his cronies are poised to get away with a whole lot of loot.


Who Should Pay for the Bailout

If you are fortunate enough to be one, good luck American taxpayer! You’re in for a royal fleecing. Once the interest is figured into the bailout, we’re looking at a couple of trill.

The people who should pay for the bailout aren’t the American people. That distinction should go to the crooks who stole it -- friends of Gramm like John McCain and George Bush and the rest of the Raygunomix crowd of snake-oil salesmen. For them, the Bush administration -- and a good chunk of time since Ronald Reagan -- has not been a disaster. It’s been a cash cow.

The above was posted on DU on Sept. 21, 2008. (Check out the responses, lots of info from DUers.) What's changed since then? Nothing near what I'd hoped for, certainly.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4055207

emulatorloo

(44,116 posts)
33. No one asked you to defend that crook Graham. But you knew that already.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:06 PM
Apr 2015

I was quite clear in what I said. I said you drew a false equivalency between Graham and HRC to smear HRC.

"Back up your innuendo that HRC has emptied the public treasury into private and well connected pockets like Gramm did."

Nonetheless your blatantly willful misinterpretation of what I asked is answer enough fro me.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
35. What makes you angrier, that I said corruption is legal or that Phil and Bill do business together?
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 04:17 PM
Apr 2015

Here's where I linked to UBS' Vice Chairman and ex-Senator who helped deregulate the banks by gutting Glass Steagall, Phil Gramm:

http://financialservicesinc.ubs.com/revitalizingamerica/SenatorPhilGramm.html



Notice the names in the lower-left. They give me the feeling that the deregulation for progress is bi-partisan. I can understand how pointing that out bothers you. It does me, too.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
39. Once again, the anti-tranparency crowd is after you!
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 06:19 PM
Apr 2015

Pathetic alert...but you know your 'detractors' here cannot stand it when you post facts!

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On Thu Apr 23, 2015, 09:54 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

So I got to defend Phil Gramm? No thanks.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6555440

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This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

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Posts 23 & 32 together are an egregious "smear by association" -- slapping names together on the page, in essence. Now the Clintons are supposedly in cahoots with Phil Gramm & responsible for the collapse of the economy and the bailout and I guess pocketing massive amounts of cash in a deliberate ripoff of Americans.

It's getting nastier and nastier here, and when asked by someone in Ask the Admins, Skinner said it is within our power to curb it during the next year.

So great, I'm putting myself out there with this complaint. It's up to you, Jury.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Apr 23, 2015, 10:16 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

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Explanation: Tinfoilery.
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Explanation: Sorry. But most of the information in the contested post is the absolute truth. There is a little theorizing. But even I could see the housing bust coming from my front yard. Even discussed it with a neighbor. It probably was a set-up. And it was never prosecuted. Leave this post alone. Someone might actually learn the truth from it.
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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
40. That OP was in September 2008.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 06:25 PM
Apr 2015

Held up to the test of time, in addition to scooping Corporate McPravda and CIABCNNBCSFakeNoiseNutworkofRogerAiles as to the truth of the Great Bankster Bailout they were rushing through Congress.

PS: Thank you for posting the info about the jury. I'm very gratified to see six of seven took the time to read the thing.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
31. The things that are really wrong with the Clintons won't be discussed during the campaign.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:48 PM
Apr 2015

The election will hinge on made-up bullshit.

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
34. The Clinton Cash book is a right wing attack piece financed by Murdoch and the idiot funding Cruz
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:31 PM
Apr 2015

This book is wrong in a number of places

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