"Trust" Democrats on the TPP Chapter Leaks: They're only drafts so they're meaningless.

[cali]

Baloney. Claiming that the leaked Environmental, Copyright and Investment Chapters are meaningless because they may have changed or may change in the future, is like saying the dress rehearsal for a play has no relationship to what the audience will see on opening night.

There have been 20 rounds of negotiations. The last chapter leaked, the Investment chapter, was released after all 20 rounds. The other 2 were released after most of those negotiations. Changes may yet come, but they won't be big changes- only a few issues are still under negotiation. Even if you want to argue that, what you can't argue is that the drafts give us insight into what the U.S. negotiators have pushed.

These are important chapters. And they aren't all that's been leaked. Lots of documents regarding the process have, as well.

So, yeah. We don't have access to the entire agreement- not even close. The most transparent administration ever has invoked the National Security system to shroud it in unprecedented secrecy. That's bullshit because it's been seen by reps from such corporations as Halliburton and Cargill- and many others, as well by all the member nations.

You want to insist that we know absolutely nothing about the TPP and should trust Daddy, er, I mean President Obama, go for it, but that assertion is not accurate.

[newfie11]

1. So very true!!!!!!!!! Nt

[cali]

2. It seems absurd to have to repeatedly point out the obvious.

[newfie11]

12. Yes it is

Apparently people have a problem with short term memory retention.

[Maedhros]

3. All is for the best, believe in what we're told.

Blind men in the market, buying what we're sold.

[pa28]

4. Obama wanted the TPP finalized in it's form of April of last year.

If there are any changes it won't be coming from the administration.

So, if you refuse to read the agreement or think about the agreement based on the idea it's not final you are just being willfully ignorant. Sorry.

Obama promised improved environmental protections in the TPP that would "fix" the problems with NAFTA. Recently leaked chapters of the agreement say it's simply not true.

[cali]

5. Do you have a link that confirms that? Thanks.

[cali]

6. kick

[Scuba]

7. Kickety kick kick.

[cali]

8. why thanks, Scuba

The trust duers don't want to address this.

[gratuitous]

9. It's too early, it's too late

There will apparently never be a Goldilocks Moment, the time when it's just right to be concerned about or object to the TPP. Or, if there is a Goldilocks Moment, it will be discernible only in retrospect: "You should have brought that up in March 2015*, now it's too late!"

*Specifically, March 12, 2015 between 1300 and 1303 GMT.

[cali]

11. lol. that's hitting the nail on the head

[bigwillq]

10. I don't trust any politician.

I dislike when politicians use the word "trust" or the phrase "trust me"

No, thanks.

[cali]

13. kick