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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 05:32 PM Apr 2015

Do you think a candidate can support globalization AND "toppling the 1%" at the same time?


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Do you think a candidate can support globalization AND "toppling the 1%" at the same time? (Original Post) Ken Burch Apr 2015 OP
you need to define both terms arely staircase Apr 2015 #1
OK: Ken Burch Apr 2015 #3
ah, another anti Clinton post arely staircase Apr 2015 #5
No...a post that raises a serious question. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #6
Sometimes, there really are more important issues than our favorite politicians. I have had to sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #8
You mean since globalization is for the benefit of the 1%? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Apr 2015 #2
Yes. Just ask Hillary. Cosmic Kitten Apr 2015 #4
Perhaps she misspoke and meant "topple BY 1%". Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2015 #7
Hillary is treading dangerous waters here. She's making herself look like a super hypocrite AZ Progressive Apr 2015 #9
Its Saturday Cartoons with my big bowl of sugary cereal Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #10
That's the least controversial thing ever. joshcryer Apr 2015 #11
Of course. Germans, Swedes and many others do not see a contradiction. pampango Apr 2015 #12
It's inspired by her, but is an open question Ken Burch Apr 2015 #13
I agree. We need laws "to limit corporate power and protect social justice values such as strong pampango Apr 2015 #14

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
1. you need to define both terms
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 05:36 PM
Apr 2015

I am not trying to be an ass, but I would need to know what you mean by "globalization" and "toppling." If you mean can someone support free trade and also want to address income disparity, then yes, but witha lot of caveats.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
3. OK:
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 07:29 PM
Apr 2015

For the purposes of this poll, I'll define "globalization" as the process of trade "liberalization" that's been underway since the Canada-U.S. Free Trade Accord of the late 1980's-a process which began with the removal of the protective tariffs small countries have used to prevent multinational corporations from seizing control of their economy and then went on to allowing said corporations to be exempt from environmental, workplace safety and labour laws in the countries they have moved into and even allowed those corporations to force elected governments to reduce or eliminate social benefits on t he ground that social programs are an unfair subsidy of the businesses originally headquartered in those countries.

"Toppling the 1%" is a slogan used by a newly declared Democratic presidential candidate-a candidate who has historicall been the darling of said 1% and a champion of trade liberalization.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
6. No...a post that raises a serious question.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:53 AM
Apr 2015

I'd ask it about any candidate who takes such a conflicting set of positions.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
8. Sometimes, there really are more important issues than our favorite politicians. I have had to
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:26 AM
Apr 2015

abandon my support for a Democrat I have long admired, Ron Wyden. I defended him when he was a lone voice sometimes against the Bush administration's anti Constitutional assault on our Civil Liberties. When he warned us against the TPP before we had an idea about what was going on with this most important issue.

But when a politician betrays the trust of those who have long supported them, as Wyden has by joining Paul Ryan and Hatch in pushing Fast Track of the TPP I have to choose between him and this country's future.

I do not believe in being emotionally attached to any politician. Keeping the focus on what is best for this country has made it easier to avoid the strenuous task of trying to defend a politician when they are clearly wrong.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
2. You mean since globalization is for the benefit of the 1%?
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 06:52 PM
Apr 2015

I think the poll says it all, but no doubt some TPP boosters will be along to say yes.

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
9. Hillary is treading dangerous waters here. She's making herself look like a super hypocrite
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:32 AM
Apr 2015

Will the American people buy this level of phoniness? Obama actually looked honest, but I think a lot of people can see through this charade of Hillary.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
11. That's the least controversial thing ever.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:37 AM
Apr 2015




Globalization is leading to less poverty and a higher standard of living. Not defending it, merely saying that's what is happening.

http://www.gapminder.org/

pampango

(24,692 posts)
12. Of course. Germans, Swedes and many others do not see a contradiction.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 06:36 AM
Apr 2015

And, assuming this poll is aimed at Hillary, she is not even my 1st or 2nd choice, to be our presidential candidate.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
13. It's inspired by her, but is an open question
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 08:14 PM
Apr 2015

that would be applied to any candidate taking the same views.

And what Swedes and Germans and probably the other countries you're thinking off have is based mainly on social democracy, not "free trade"....those countries have many, many laws in place that we don't have to limit corporate power and protect social justice values such as strong unions, a decent social wage, and real environmental safeguards

pampango

(24,692 posts)
14. I agree. We need laws "to limit corporate power and protect social justice values such as strong
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 09:11 PM
Apr 2015

unions, a decent social wage, and real environmental safeguards." Without those more or less trade is not going to make things better for Americans.

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