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kentuck

(111,052 posts)
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 05:38 PM Apr 2015

As of today, I am supporting Bernie Sanders for President.

He may not win. Most likely he won't.

But that is not the most important reason to give him my vote.

The reason he will have my vote is that the Democratic Party has lost its way. Somebody needs to put it back on the right track. Somebody needs to talk about issues that matter to average Americans. Bernie has shown that he is willing to do that.

We, as Democrats, need to know what other Democrats are thinking about money in politics, about secret trade treaties, about preserving and strengthening Social Security, about cutting back on the military adventurism, about how our democracy is corrupted by money, etc. It is not acceptable to many of us that some candidates may want to be ambiguous on these issues. We need to hear them talk about those issues. We can no longer vote on blind faith.

I want my Party to believe in the same principles and issues that I believe in. That may seem unrealistic to a lot of Democrats? Bernie Sanders has been talking about the issues that I think are most important to our country. We need to have the discussion. It will be healthy for the Democratic Party.


(I reserve the right to change my vote if Elizabeth Warren changes her mind and decides to run)

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As of today, I am supporting Bernie Sanders for President. (Original Post) kentuck Apr 2015 OP
I will vote for the eventual Democratic Nominee Sherman A1 Apr 2015 #1
Me too. LiberalLoner Apr 2015 #12
Bernie's problem he one of those people that can't make a decision. He won't CK_John Apr 2015 #2
I would agree with you that he should run as a Democrat... kentuck Apr 2015 #5
They'll spend more to Vilify,nullify, and try to dismiss him as old, even though orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #9
Yes, But he has integrity. That is -- he does what he says. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #84
What he is , is honest sendit Apr 2015 #93
A rare species . orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #145
And that's why there must be a powerful counter-force to oppose big money. RiverNoord Apr 2015 #162
Bernie can't be bought by the Kochs as you imply. You do not know his history re money do you? Dragonfli Apr 2015 #14
Bernie has no say in who donates or sets up a pac to support a candidate CK_John Apr 2015 #29
You are saying they will buy him whether he likes it or not? Dragonfli Apr 2015 #32
They already have 50 states organization ready to collect signatures and get CK_John Apr 2015 #44
Documentation? And the candidate does have the right to say NO. jwirr Apr 2015 #59
I was wrong, you aren't even worth a laugh or two. Dragonfli Apr 2015 #64
Bernie wouldn't go there and you know it. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #71
Again it's sort of out of his control... Agschmid Apr 2015 #122
Nobody would vote for Bernie as a third-party candidate Ken Burch Apr 2015 #134
I wasn't trying to hold him responsible. Agschmid Apr 2015 #137
Bernie has said he would not run as a Independent in the GE QuestionAlways Apr 2015 #97
This. Agschmid Apr 2015 #123
The last I heard he said he hadn't made his mind yet on running as a Democrat. totodeinhere Apr 2015 #130
All they have to do is put up SuperPac ads in his favor in Purple states... Agschmid Apr 2015 #121
Why would they support him over the Republican? Dragonfli Apr 2015 #126
... Agschmid Apr 2015 #129
Your entire premise rests on the assumption that he is a liar Dragonfli Apr 2015 #131
And people still think Warren is going to run... Agschmid Apr 2015 #138
Accepting donations does not equal selling out. He's never sold out in his life. Stop smearing. merrily Apr 2015 #151
The Kochs can set up PACs pro and anti Bernie. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #87
Perfect one word for Bernie: genuine Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #95
I agree, that's a good word for him. haikugal Apr 2015 #127
Good thinking there sammythecat Apr 2015 #166
He said he would not run as an Ind. bunnies Apr 2015 #17
He wouldn't run as an Independent. bvf Apr 2015 #23
This is a moot point. tazkcmo Apr 2015 #35
Republicans using Bernie Mnpaul Apr 2015 #49
That reminds me, I still haven't watched that interview! arcane1 Apr 2015 #53
He is a moral, fair-minded man. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #89
And he was never a Republican at any point in his life. Ikonoklast Apr 2015 #108
I thought he said he was undecided about running as a Dem or as an Indie. merrily Apr 2015 #159
He did. tazkcmo Apr 2015 #181
Funny that some apparently heard only part of that. merrily Apr 2015 #182
We all know he's not going to go Nader on us. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #69
absolutely correct. He will either run as a Democrat or not run. We will know soon enough still_one Apr 2015 #128
No, several posters above are pushing the meme he will run as a spoiler with the help of the Kochs. Dragonfli Apr 2015 #132
That is ABSOLUTELY NOT what we are saying... Agschmid Apr 2015 #140
Good point. I've already seen RW bloggers suggesting that. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #81
It's a ridiculous point. smokey nj Apr 2015 #98
He can't make a decision? Really? What exactly are you basing that on? rhett o rick Apr 2015 #109
I thought he said he might run as a Dem, if he got support for that. merrily Apr 2015 #150
not sure why I bother to respond to your invariably bizarre claims cali Apr 2015 #157
is he running? lame54 Apr 2015 #3
I would vote for Sanders and Warren over Clinton but... ananda Apr 2015 #4
I resentfully, regretfully would also, I'm going to do whatever to help orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #7
United we Stand... kentuck Apr 2015 #10
Believe me I see hillary as same old story, Sanders/ Warren is orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #24
It would help her a little if she came out against the TPP, I think? kentuck Apr 2015 #28
the old "It will have to pass so I can see what's in it" - I thought that was Pelosi's old tact. Dragonfli Apr 2015 #42
She'll use the same out as WMD's , I fear . N/T orpupilofnature57 Apr 2015 #56
Yes, I support Hillary, but I want her to come out against Fast Track NOW QuestionAlways Apr 2015 #99
our only hope for change handmade34 Apr 2015 #90
This message was self-deleted by its author Sheepshank Apr 2015 #163
+1. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #82
Just waiting to see if he gets in - we'll know soon. polichick Apr 2015 #6
Welcome aboard. If he's running it's up to us to make sure his message gets out there Autumn Apr 2015 #8
I hope someone delivers your message. kentuck Apr 2015 #11
Here's the thing, all those little short blurbs Bernie posts? I post them on my FB Autumn Apr 2015 #19
Those are great ! kentuck Apr 2015 #20
My republican Niece in Texas who always shared conservative crap is sharing stuff from Bernies FB Autumn Apr 2015 #21
Bravo ! kentuck Apr 2015 #22
We are at a crossroads here. We need change and we need it now. Autumn Apr 2015 #25
The motto: kentuck Apr 2015 #30
That's a good one, can't wait to see what Bernie come up with. Autumn Apr 2015 #36
We needed it long ago, but I'll settle for now since that's the best that is possible. merrily Apr 2015 #153
And I would predict a mass grass root movement. zeemike Apr 2015 #112
His words get the hell shared out of them on Facebook, from many pages. arcane1 Apr 2015 #41
Thank You Autumn kacekwl Apr 2015 #85
Yes. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #91
I wish handmade34 Apr 2015 #92
This message was self-deleted by its author NightWatcher Apr 2015 #13
Well we support different candidates but I respect your view. hrmjustin Apr 2015 #15
I stand with you, kentuck. hifiguy Apr 2015 #16
Peace kentuck Apr 2015 #18
I also support Bernie. NYC_SKP Apr 2015 #26
+1. NRaleighLiberal Apr 2015 #39
Great post, kentuck MissDeeds Apr 2015 #27
We need to take a stand. kentuck Apr 2015 #34
I'm with you, kentuck. Excellent post. I agree on every point. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #31
K&R..... daleanime Apr 2015 #33
I'm Ready For Oligarchy - Are You? - Vote HRC - The 1% Manchurian Candidate cantbeserious Apr 2015 #37
I feel the same as you. I admire his values and actions. Sienna86 Apr 2015 #38
Is he running? Did I miss the announcement.. one_voice Apr 2015 #40
I met him many H2O Man Apr 2015 #43
Hey! kentuck Apr 2015 #46
This is a curious H2O Man Apr 2015 #51
There is an unease amongst the masses... kentuck Apr 2015 #58
The Great Unwashed Autumn Apr 2015 #74
It's getting awfully hot in this handcart hifiguy Apr 2015 #76
That's exctly why the TeaParty was so easy to gin up hootinholler Apr 2015 #105
Great! Thanks. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #94
Too Bad he is not running,,,,,, Cryptoad Apr 2015 #45
He hasn't said that. Ken Burch Apr 2015 #73
Last I heard, he's deciding on April 30th arcane1 Apr 2015 #77
when did Bernie say he isn't running? 2banon Apr 2015 #102
Has he announced that he's running? workinclasszero Apr 2015 #47
If he were to run bvf Apr 2015 #143
And I won't vote for a Democrat who will sell us out, just because they're a Democrat.[n/t] Maedhros Apr 2015 #174
Has he declared yet? Dr Hobbitstein Apr 2015 #48
Is he a Democrat? blue neen Apr 2015 #50
Bernie has said on many occasions that he won't run as an Independent. Maedhros Apr 2015 #175
When he announces I will support him. emulatorloo Apr 2015 #52
If he runs, I'll vote for Bernie. Ilsa Apr 2015 #54
It really ticks me off grandpamike1 Apr 2015 #55
The folks that wipe and dangle for Jamie, Lloyd, the surrvilence state and the whole "stakeholder" TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #61
Damn tootin'!! nt hifiguy Apr 2015 #183
Pardon me for a moment Sherman A1 Apr 2015 #78
+1. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #83
, 2banon Apr 2015 #104
I love Bernie, his ideas, but vote for Hillary QuestionAlways Apr 2015 #111
If his label is actually death at the polls, he won't survive the primary anyway. merrily Apr 2015 #154
so the danger, then, is that the GOP will pass bad laws--laws so bad it wouldn't matter MisterP Apr 2015 #118
My vote is mine to cast, not yours. Maedhros Apr 2015 #176
Then don't risk it. Don't risk losing those votes. Run a better candidate. [nt] Jester Messiah Apr 2015 #178
I hear you, I support him too, you will NOT vote for him, however, in the november election NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #57
Are you for real? winter is coming Apr 2015 #62
YOu didnt read what I said, I said he, or for you I guess I have to add ANYBODY cant vote NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #63
I did read what you said. Thanks for confirming that it's a waste of time to read your posts. n/t winter is coming Apr 2015 #65
So how does one vote for Bernie if he isnt on the ballot by his OWN CHOICE? NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #66
I will write his name in if I have to. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #125
Hypothetical ? here: YOUR vote is the swing vote. You write in Bernie and as a result Scott Walker NoJusticeNoPeace Apr 2015 #169
bravo! PowerToThePeople Apr 2015 #60
I am voting for Bernie in the primary and for whoever wins in the general. jwirr Apr 2015 #67
If Senator Sanders runs for the Dem Nominee, he has my support too. KnR/nt chknltl Apr 2015 #68
I will vote for the eventual Democratic Nominee flying-skeleton Apr 2015 #70
I too do G_j Apr 2015 #72
Good on you, kentuck. Octafish Apr 2015 #75
I have volunteered for Bernie Sanders. JDPriestly Apr 2015 #79
Me too BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #106
He is older than I am, and I consider myself old. And he doesn't JDPriestly Apr 2015 #119
I hope so BrotherIvan Apr 2015 #146
Welcome kacekwl Apr 2015 #80
I support Bernie too! Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2015 #86
I'm supporting Titleist as my favorite golf ball. BKH70041 Apr 2015 #88
Welcome home! Zorra Apr 2015 #96
I'd like to draft Brown but I'm down with Bernie. TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #100
Honestly... Everything he's stood for better represents the Democratic party, so we all should. MrMickeysMom Apr 2015 #101
I couldn't agree more. NorthCarolina Apr 2015 #103
I am voting for Clinton in the primaries,even if Sanders runs arely staircase Apr 2015 #107
Hillary hopes he will run customerserviceguy Apr 2015 #110
Huge K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Apr 2015 #113
I would LOVE a dual ticket! blondie58 Apr 2015 #114
I'm voting for Bernie Sanders too. liberal_at_heart Apr 2015 #115
Not Ready For Hillary 2016 blkmusclmachine Apr 2015 #116
I'm not Ready for Hillary, either. rury Apr 2015 #120
plus another! n/t wildbilln864 Apr 2015 #117
Me too, but as of several months ago. Populist_Prole Apr 2015 #124
No, he won't win. Absolutely not. Practicality trumps idealism BreakfastClub Apr 2015 #133
What you may call "purity"... kentuck Apr 2015 #136
Just give us the chance Bernie! sabrina 1 Apr 2015 #135
Not me.. The guy is willing to lie about Obama and an agreement important to our Hoyt Apr 2015 #139
So Bernie Sanders is a liar Ichingcarpenter Apr 2015 #141
Not only that, but he is a liar that they think will run with Koch help Dragonfli Apr 2015 #142
how do you know he's lying? cali Apr 2015 #160
Add to the mountains of evidence that the Turd Way are the enemy in league with the corporate wing TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #188
If that were true, you'd be outnumbered 8 to 2. Hoyt Apr 2015 #189
The words are in English but they don't come together to mean anything TheKentuckian Apr 2015 #190
I would agree with those that say he should run as a Democrat. kentuck Apr 2015 #144
Moreso traditionally than many that hold office with a D beside their name. mmonk Apr 2015 #147
Let's not say, "he may not win" marym625 Apr 2015 #148
He has my vote in the primaries RoccoR5955 Apr 2015 #149
I will vote for Bernie in the NH primary and I hope he wins the nomination. Vinca Apr 2015 #152
I too will vote Joe Worker Apr 2015 #155
As of today, I am supporting your supporting Bernie Sanders for President... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2015 #156
Well rtracey Apr 2015 #158
I will vote for whom I feel imthevicar Apr 2015 #161
I'm not pointing fingers... kentuck Apr 2015 #164
I don't agree that he 'most likely won't' win. If he was up against whatever loony RiverNoord Apr 2015 #165
Sanders will not be able to win. It's too bad, but the country will Sheepshank Apr 2015 #167
Sanders can do nothing for the Democratic Party until he JOINS the Democratic Party.... George II Apr 2015 #168
Me too. Thanks! closeupready Apr 2015 #170
so are hanging at a DEM site, but throw your lot in with a NON DEM Sheepshank Apr 2015 #171
I always vote for who I want in the primary. It's already bought and paid for anyway. valerief Apr 2015 #172
No, it doesnt seem unrealistic..........it is unrealistic. cstanleytech Apr 2015 #173
Hear, hear! Jester Messiah Apr 2015 #177
Again he is not a Democrat and he is not running. upaloopa Apr 2015 #179
Kentuck donnasgirl Apr 2015 #180
No idea why anyone would support Hillary over Bernie or Warren RedCappedBandit Apr 2015 #184
Because Bernie is NOT going to get the funding he'll need ... staggerleem Apr 2015 #185
Is that because people don't agree with him on policy, RedCappedBandit Apr 2015 #186
Huge K&R woo me with science Apr 2015 #187
Have I stumbled into the IndependentUnderground? philosslayer Apr 2015 #191
Early endorsement for Bernie: kentuck Apr 2016 #192

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
1. I will vote for the eventual Democratic Nominee
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 05:41 PM
Apr 2015

but, until that time I will look over all the candidates looking for the one closest to my views. At this point that would be Bernie Sanders.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
2. Bernie's problem he one of those people that can't make a decision. He won't
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 05:43 PM
Apr 2015

switch to DEM and if he runs as a IND the Koch brothers will pump 45 million into his campaign and own it within an hour.

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
5. I would agree with you that he should run as a Democrat...
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 05:46 PM
Apr 2015

...not that there is anything wrong with being an Independent Socialist. But surely our ideas should stand for more than our political Label...?

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
9. They'll spend more to Vilify,nullify, and try to dismiss him as old, even though
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 06:03 PM
Apr 2015

he has more perspicacity than 99% of Congress.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
84. Yes, But he has integrity. That is -- he does what he says.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 08:13 PM
Apr 2015

He may change his mind. But he doesn't just put words together based on research by people who decide what sells in politics.

He thinks and then he talks.

He is really great one on one in unrehearsed situations. He handles the unexpected question well.

In short, he is authentic. It is very hard to pick on a person who is authentic. The public senses the reality, the genuine remorse or pain or joy or outrage or love. It's something very deep within us.

Bernie is himself. That is how he will defeat all the criticism and ridicule of himself.

I think that people will like him.

And people are really sick of the trade agreements, etc.

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
162. And that's why there must be a powerful counter-force to oppose big money.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 10:30 AM
Apr 2015

At this unfortunate time in the history of our 'democratic' form of government, someone like Sanders would be worth devoting heavy volunteering time across the country for, in what would have to be record numbers. Fight the money in the trenches, not on the airwaves.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
14. Bernie can't be bought by the Kochs as you imply. You do not know his history re money do you?
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 06:09 PM
Apr 2015

Look into where he has raised money in the past, he has I think perhaps the best record regarding taking money from wealthy interests. Where do you get the idea that the Kochs can buy him for a few million dollars?

The front runner I can see, she is already purchased by the banks, probably room for one more at the 'ol influence troth in that camp. Remember she had no problem with the Kochs giving her and the other founding members of the DLC money (and seats on the board of that center right organization) when they started up.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
32. You are saying they will buy him whether he likes it or not?
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 06:43 PM
Apr 2015

That he has no say in the matter if the Kochs want to give him money?

the Koch brothers will pump 45 million into his campaign and own it within an hour.


You are apparently not to be taken seriously in a discussion.

May be worth a laugh or two tho.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
44. They already have 50 states organization ready to collect signatures and get
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 07:00 PM
Apr 2015

him on the ballot in all 50 states.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
64. I was wrong, you aren't even worth a laugh or two.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 07:36 PM
Apr 2015

Still not to be taken seriously, he has not been conspiring with the kocks to do anything with them in any states let alone fifty.

You are just a slanderous ....

....no one is buying your lies.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
71. Bernie wouldn't go there and you know it.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 07:53 PM
Apr 2015

If he found out the Koch-heads were pulling a stunt like that, Bernie would immediately denounce that and dissassociate himself from it.

And once he did, nobody would fall for a Koch-backed scam like that.

So stop smearing Bernie about something you know perfectly well he wouldn't do.

Bernie has nothing in common with Nader.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
134. Nobody would vote for Bernie as a third-party candidate
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:50 AM
Apr 2015

If Bernie was put on the ballot against his will.

You can't hold Bernie responsible for the Kochs doing that if they tried it, either.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
137. I wasn't trying to hold him responsible.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:05 AM
Apr 2015

But I guarantee you some would vote for him if he was on the ballot, as is their right.

 

QuestionAlways

(259 posts)
97. Bernie has said he would not run as a Independent in the GE
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 08:29 PM
Apr 2015

this may be because under the rules a candidate can not coordinate with a PAC supporting him. The Koch brothers can form and pump 45 million into an independent campaign PAC, if Bernie ran as an Independent. The Pac would try to pull votes away from Hillary, under the guise of being for Bernie, and thus help the Republican (major) party.

totodeinhere

(13,056 posts)
130. The last I heard he said he hadn't made his mind yet on running as a Democrat.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:31 AM
Apr 2015

Do you have a link to his saying that?

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
121. All they have to do is put up SuperPac ads in his favor in Purple states...
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:10 AM
Apr 2015

and then Rubio (or one of them) wins.

It's easy...

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
126. Why would they support him over the Republican?
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:24 AM
Apr 2015

Why do you think he will partner with them?
Why slander Sanders as you do?

If he runs he may or may not win the primary, I hope he does, I will vote accordingly and NY is early I believe this cycle.

Are you saying the Kocks align with FDR values and are opposed to the DLC alumni in the race (a group they once supported financially)?

Bullshit! - all of this innuendo!

I suppose he is to be labeled a "papa paul" supporter, as well as "a tool of the Kochs" now.


I think you are slandering a good man.

I think you are now the third person on my ignore list

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
129. ...
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:31 AM
Apr 2015

I don't think that he would partner with them.

*IF* Bernie were to run as an independent (which he says he won't). The Koch Bros. will ABSOLUTELY start a PAC in his favor and run adds in purple states to pull votes away from the DEM candidate thus ensuring a win for the Republican. Again this is Citizens United at work, the Koch brothers (or any republican donor) would be fools not to take advantage of that opportunity...

Bernie himself would have nothing to do with it, but he wouldn't have to thats how SuperPac's work.

And even if he denounced the actions they took, it would still most likely effect the outcome of the vote.

Sorry thats just the way it is, and I am not slandering anyone.

Also it's foolish to ignore someone who has a reasonable point...

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
131. Your entire premise rests on the assumption that he is a liar
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:38 AM
Apr 2015

That will only run to be a spoiler, that is why it is slanderous, without your assumption, your reply to me would not even exist.
That is all I have to say to you, congrats, you are one of only three whose bullshit is too much for even me to want to read - I usually find even the worst posters merely amusing (in a train wreck sort of way)

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
138. And people still think Warren is going to run...
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:07 AM
Apr 2015
Your entire premise rests on the assumption that he is a liar


You call them out like you are calling me out?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
151. Accepting donations does not equal selling out. He's never sold out in his life. Stop smearing.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 07:51 AM
Apr 2015

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
87. The Kochs can set up PACs pro and anti Bernie.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 08:17 PM
Apr 2015

Bernie will stand on his own two feet (or sit) and say what he thinks, what he knows to be true. He is pretty untouchable. He is a funny looking guy, and he doesn't try to "fix" it. He doesn't have ego in the game. He has the desire to do what is right.

It is very hard to ridicule or criticize a candidate who is as genuine as Bernie Sanders.

Bernie is an extremely moral man in the sense that he tries to do what is right even if sometimes he makes mistakes. There is no other candidate or potential candidate (other than maybe Elizabeth Warren) who stand on his level when it comes to social morality and honesty.

sammythecat

(3,568 posts)
166. Good thinking there
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 11:04 AM
Apr 2015

That is just perfect. Bernie Sanders is genuine. Absolutely genuine. It's such a dreadful reality that being genuine sets him apart from just about every single one of our "leaders" in Washington. He's for the people and he tells the truth. In other words, he does his fucking job and that makes him the exception. It's awful, the situation we're in.

 

bunnies

(15,859 posts)
17. He said he would not run as an Ind.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 06:12 PM
Apr 2015

Months ago at a speech in NH I attended. He has no intention of being a spoiler. He made that very clear.

tazkcmo

(7,300 posts)
35. This is a moot point.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 06:44 PM
Apr 2015

Sen. Sanders is on record as saying he will not run as a spoiler candidate and will in no way allow his actions to enable, assist or aide a Republican victory.
He is adamant on this point.

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
49. Republicans using Bernie
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 07:07 PM
Apr 2015

Ran into a big fail last week on Fox News Sunday. Wallace tried baiting him into criticizing Hillary but he was having no part of it.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
89. He is a moral, fair-minded man.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 08:20 PM
Apr 2015

He will let Hillary say what she thinks, and he will say what he thinks.

I want to see a debate between Hillary and Bernie Sanders. I very much want to see that. And let the best candidate win the primary.

I have volunteered for Bernie Sanders and I hope others do too.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
108. And he was never a Republican at any point in his life.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:20 PM
Apr 2015

Other so-called potential and current candidates cannot say the same.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
159. I thought he said he was undecided about running as a Dem or as an Indie.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 08:29 AM
Apr 2015

It doesn't matter to me. Either way, I will be voting in the Dem Primary.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
132. No, several posters above are pushing the meme he will run as a spoiler with the help of the Kochs.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:44 AM
Apr 2015

A bunch of slanderous bullshit that is pissing me off.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
140. That is ABSOLUTELY NOT what we are saying...
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:09 AM
Apr 2015

We are saying if he does run (which is his right), then they will take advantage of that. Why wouldn't they?

You don't get to just pretend that we are saying that?!?!

I've voted for Bernie multiple times in VT, and I support him as a politician, so your meme is just that.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
81. Good point. I've already seen RW bloggers suggesting that.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 08:10 PM
Apr 2015

Telling Koch to "hedge" their bets with Bernie Sanders.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
109. He can't make a decision? Really? What exactly are you basing that on?
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:34 PM
Apr 2015

Sen Sanders knows that if he runs for president he and his family will be subject to attack that no one should have to be subject to. He has indicated that he is willing to take the risk if he gets enough people to back him. If that's what you are basing your he "can't make a decision" on, I am disappointed. He doesn't enjoy the comfort of having the Olgarchs behind him. I hope you will support him and not the Oligarch's choice.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
150. I thought he said he might run as a Dem, if he got support for that.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 07:49 AM
Apr 2015

No one will own his campaign but him, regardless of who donates. You have zero basis to make that claim.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
157. not sure why I bother to respond to your invariably bizarre claims
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 08:12 AM
Apr 2015

But that is your usual steaming pile. You are wrong. He's my senator.

ananda

(28,834 posts)
4. I would vote for Sanders and Warren over Clinton but...
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 05:46 PM
Apr 2015

... if Clinton is the eventual nominee, I will support her and
vote for her.

 

orpupilofnature57

(15,472 posts)
7. I resentfully, regretfully would also, I'm going to do whatever to help
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 05:55 PM
Apr 2015

Sanders/Warren however I can .

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
28. It would help her a little if she came out against the TPP, I think?
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 06:40 PM
Apr 2015

But she said she would decide once it was completed...??

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
42. the old "It will have to pass so I can see what's in it" - I thought that was Pelosi's old tact.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 06:51 PM
Apr 2015

Sounds like the same sort of reasoning, she will decide when it is passed if she "likes" it or not I suppose.

Perhaps a word or two about fast track legislation while we are waiting for her to decide would be in order?

 

QuestionAlways

(259 posts)
99. Yes, I support Hillary, but I want her to come out against Fast Track NOW
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 08:40 PM
Apr 2015

She does not have to know what is in TPP in order to do that.

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
90. our only hope for change
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 08:21 PM
Apr 2015

is to motivate and get all good people out to vote... our only hope for change is to get people out to vote to get the Republicans out of office and good democratic/progressive people in... our only hope for change is action by all of US!!

Hillary Clinton will be a fine President as long as we elect Democrats to take over the Legislature and we continue to work for what is good and healthy for our people and environment...

Response to kentuck (Reply #10)

Autumn

(44,980 posts)
8. Welcome aboard. If he's running it's up to us to make sure his message gets out there
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 05:57 PM
Apr 2015

because he can win. He should be announcing one way or the other by the end of the month.

Autumn

(44,980 posts)
19. Here's the thing, all those little short blurbs Bernie posts? I post them on my FB
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 06:13 PM
Apr 2015

Bernie Sanders. Independent Senator from Vermont. They get a lot of likes and shares and even my republican friends and family members like them I'll post one one where he says something about taking care of our Veterans and they go ape shit over it, they are all Independent Socialists from Vermont, they just don't know it. . People hear his message, people like his message.

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
20. Those are great !
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 06:19 PM
Apr 2015

I always share them on FB.

I think he might get more Republican votes than some folks might think? They are willing to look at ideas over a Party Label, such as Independent Socialist. If it makes sense and sounds like the truth, most folks are willing to listen. Labels are nothing but labels. Its ideas that are real. Bernie is simply saying it is time to change directions...

Autumn

(44,980 posts)
21. My republican Niece in Texas who always shared conservative crap is sharing stuff from Bernies FB
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 06:25 PM
Apr 2015

page. It's a start. We can do this.

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
22. Bravo !
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 06:29 PM
Apr 2015

My ideal ticket would be Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.

And they could flip a coin to see who was on top of the ticket.

And it would not matter to me if they ran as Democrats or as Independents. Ideas mean more than Party labels.

Autumn

(44,980 posts)
25. We are at a crossroads here. We need change and we need it now.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 06:38 PM
Apr 2015

More of the same old corporate bipartisanship from two parties seeing to the needs of the wealthy over the needs of the poor, the elderly and the working class can't go on those people are drowning.

Autumn

(44,980 posts)
36. That's a good one, can't wait to see what Bernie come up with.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 06:45 PM
Apr 2015

It's gonna be good. I think his would be something like that.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
112. And I would predict a mass grass root movement.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 10:00 PM
Apr 2015

Either way that ticket was structured...people are tired of hell at the same old same old.
And you would see a change in congress as well
And if it is Hillary with anyone else it will be the same old same old and few will vote...and perhaps another president Bush.

That is my prediction for what it is worth.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
41. His words get the hell shared out of them on Facebook, from many pages.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 06:50 PM
Apr 2015

It seems like every good quote that passes through my news feed ends up being a Sanders quote

Response to kentuck (Original post)

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
26. I also support Bernie.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 06:39 PM
Apr 2015

I'm pulling for Warren but I love Sanders just as much and for the same reasons.

K/R

Sienna86

(2,148 posts)
38. I feel the same as you. I admire his values and actions.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 06:45 PM
Apr 2015

We need to find the very best candidate out there who represents us. I won't give up.

H2O Man

(73,506 posts)
43. I met him many
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 06:58 PM
Apr 2015

years ago. If he does enter the Democratic primary contest, I would be very interested. While I haven't made any decision on who I'd voe for in the primary, I would definitely make a financial contribution to his campaign. I believe that would be a solid investment in having a discussion of important issues.

Thank you for this OP/thread.

Recommended.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
76. It's getting awfully hot in this handcart
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 07:58 PM
Apr 2015

and even some of the sheeple are beginning to sense something is very wrong.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
105. That's exctly why the TeaParty was so easy to gin up
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:01 PM
Apr 2015

My mistake was dismissing them as astroturf instead of astrokudzu.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
73. He hasn't said that.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 07:55 PM
Apr 2015

besides, it does your candidate no harm if Bernie runs in the primaries and caucuses.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
47. Has he announced that he's running?
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 07:02 PM
Apr 2015

Oh and, he's not a Democrat either.

I would not vote for an independent with no chance to win. That would just get us President Cruz or some other republican whack job.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
143. If he were to run
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 03:04 AM
Apr 2015

it would be as a Democrat. I don't have a cite at my fingertips, but I'm fairly certain he's said as much.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
48. Has he declared yet?
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 07:06 PM
Apr 2015

It's cool if you support him (hell, I think he'd make an EXCEPTIONAL president), but I hadn't heard he had declared and joined the Democratic Party at this point.

blue neen

(12,319 posts)
50. Is he a Democrat?
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 07:07 PM
Apr 2015

I thought this forum was Democratic Underground.

Until, and unless, Bernie Sanders a) Switches to the Democratic Party and b) Declares he is running for President as a Democrat, then any more talk of Sanders is moot.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
175. Bernie has said on many occasions that he won't run as an Independent.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:39 PM
Apr 2015

He would switch to the Democrats before announcing.

grandpamike1

(193 posts)
55. It really ticks me off
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 07:12 PM
Apr 2015

To hear that people who would be turned off by HRC, would, either not vote, vote for someone else, and take a chance that a Republican gets the Presidency. Selfish, is one of the words to describe people of this sort. A house, Senate and Presidency with Republicans in all those offices, would mean that the next picks for the Supreme Court would be filled with ideologue Republicans like the ones we have now, and the though of that, even if I hated HRC is something I do not want to consider.

TheKentuckian

(25,020 posts)
61. The folks that wipe and dangle for Jamie, Lloyd, the surrvilence state and the whole "stakeholder"
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 07:32 PM
Apr 2015

gang while robbing the poor and working people into fucking oblivion have some fucking nerve to even mention selfishness is crazy.

Prop up and expand too big to fail and you want to try to take to task the people trying to make it?

The Turd Way power grab has been running unopposed for a generation and you have the nerve to whine about people having enough? Please. Can the lame as guilt trips and fucking help instead of tossing us an anchor while making a path of rose petals for the greediest motherfuckers in all of human history.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
78. Pardon me for a moment
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 08:04 PM
Apr 2015

Each of us is entitled to their opinions and to make up their own mind as to their choice in both the primary elections and in November of 2106. One hopes that those are informed decisions, but even if not, those decisions belong to the individual, they may chose to vote for Candidate "A" or "B" or not to vote at all as they may feel that the candidates do not represent their beliefs.

While you may not agree with the choices that others make, I would hesitate to engage in what appears to be name calling. You may believe them to be "Selfish", but it may be that they view the world differently than you do.

 

QuestionAlways

(259 posts)
111. I love Bernie, his ideas, but vote for Hillary
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:38 PM
Apr 2015

The fact that he is a self-declared socialist is a killer in the GE. Low information voters think socialist equals Russia. I love him and his ideas, but I must vote or Hillary and a sane SCOTUS.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
118. so the danger, then, is that the GOP will pass bad laws--laws so bad it wouldn't matter
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 10:35 PM
Apr 2015

who, hypothetically, backed them?

right?

this is what we're supposed to oppose, correct?

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
176. My vote is mine to cast, not yours.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:41 PM
Apr 2015

I will not vote for the status quo anymore. I will vote for the candidate that best represents my interests. If that candidate is a Democrat, then great. If not, so be it.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
57. I hear you, I support him too, you will NOT vote for him, however, in the november election
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 07:17 PM
Apr 2015

unless he beats whoever is running in the Democratic election because he has sworn NOT to run as 3rd party

unless you write in his name, I guess

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
62. Are you for real?
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 07:34 PM
Apr 2015

The OP isn't a toddler. Telling him whom he may NOT vote for as if he were trying to snag an extra cookie is ludicrous. It's an excellent way, however, to ensure that people won't take you seriously.

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
63. YOu didnt read what I said, I said he, or for you I guess I have to add ANYBODY cant vote
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 07:35 PM
Apr 2015

for Bernie in nov unless he won the democratic primary

do you understand that?

NoJusticeNoPeace

(5,018 posts)
169. Hypothetical ? here: YOUR vote is the swing vote. You write in Bernie and as a result Scott Walker
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:48 PM
Apr 2015

is the next president.

You check off next to Hillary's name, and he isnt.

What do you do?

flying-skeleton

(696 posts)
70. I will vote for the eventual Democratic Nominee
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 07:52 PM
Apr 2015

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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
75. Good on you, kentuck.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 07:57 PM
Apr 2015

I'm so old I remember where Bernie's standing was called the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
79. I have volunteered for Bernie Sanders.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 08:07 PM
Apr 2015

He speaks truth to power. We need someone who is fearless.

And he is.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
106. Me too
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:11 PM
Apr 2015

I think this country needs someone with his integrity very badly. It makes me so sad to hear, "He's too old" or "He looks funny." This isn't American Idol, this is our country, slipping into ruin. I want someone that can't be bought. That's pretty much the measure now.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
119. He is older than I am, and I consider myself old. And he doesn't
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 10:45 PM
Apr 2015

focus on his looks. He isn't vain. He is not overly concerned about those superficial things. And that will work for him. That will be an asset for him.

BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
146. I hope so
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 05:40 AM
Apr 2015

I think many are drawn to looks so might go for O'Malley rather than someone who doesn't give them a tingle. I think Independents might be swayed (I think for all the conservatives that might agree with what he says, their preachers will tell them that gawd said to vote for Jeb and that will be that). We'll see. I'm surprised at how low people go on this board alone.

BKH70041

(961 posts)
88. I'm supporting Titleist as my favorite golf ball.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 08:19 PM
Apr 2015

Until I miss a very makable putt, then I reserve the right to switch.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
101. Honestly... Everything he's stood for better represents the Democratic party, so we all should.
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 08:48 PM
Apr 2015

I believe it because I've witnessed them all in action. He represents the platform we should all support.

K&R

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
107. I am voting for Clinton in the primaries,even if Sanders runs
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:16 PM
Apr 2015

If he is the nominee I will support him enthusiastically.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
110. Hillary hopes he will run
Wed Apr 22, 2015, 09:37 PM
Apr 2015

That will accomplish two things.

First, it will legitimize her claim to the Democratic nomination by actually beating an opponent, no matter how outmatched he may be.

Second, Bernie will make her look younger to the voters.

BreakfastClub

(765 posts)
133. No, he won't win. Absolutely not. Practicality trumps idealism
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:46 AM
Apr 2015

in politics. Purists forget that to our party's detriment. That's the reason I could never fully adore Ted Kennedy. He railed against Jimmy Carter not being liberal enough and tried to primary a sitting president. He had a hand in giving us Ronald Reagan as a result of his idealism. He also killed Carter's healthcare reform because it wasn't liberal enough. That hurt a lot of people, set us back 30 years, and ultimately killed many who died without access to adequate health care.

Idealism has its place, but it isn't in politics. On the other side of the aisle, we see the purists doing the same thing; shutting down government, insisting on their way or the highway, turning Americans against them because they insist on purity over politics. Politics is dirty, and the best that you can hope for is a good compromise most of the time. It's not for the purist, that's for sure.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
139. Not me.. The guy is willing to lie about Obama and an agreement important to our
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:08 AM
Apr 2015

future for votes and recognition. None of the good he's done changes that.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
142. Not only that, but he is a liar that they think will run with Koch help
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 02:27 AM
Apr 2015

As a spoiler.

They have a theory that has the Kochs working with him to get on the ballot in all 50 states and then focus on the purple ones just to screw us all!

Read up thread.
It is breaking news in their little world.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
160. how do you know he's lying?
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 08:33 AM
Apr 2015

And you surely don't know what's in the tpp. I know Senator Sanders. I've never Sen any evidence that he's a liar.

TheKentuckian

(25,020 posts)
188. Add to the mountains of evidence that the Turd Way are the enemy in league with the corporate wing
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 09:59 PM
Apr 2015

of the conservative movement.

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
144. I would agree with those that say he should run as a Democrat.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 05:17 AM
Apr 2015

It should not be a topic of discussion whether or not he should change his party nomenclature?

His ideas are more important than Party labels.

Bernie is a Democrat.

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
147. Moreso traditionally than many that hold office with a D beside their name.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 07:06 AM
Apr 2015

I've already signed up so I'm glad you're on board.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
148. Let's not say, "he may not win"
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 07:35 AM
Apr 2015

We don't need to have a self fulfilling prophecy like that. He can and will win.

We need someone that is strong on domestic policy and cares about the American people. He can have a secretary of state and VP strong on foreign policy that aren't warmongers

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
149. He has my vote in the primaries
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 07:48 AM
Apr 2015

In the general I shall vote for the Democratic Party's candidate. No matter how bad she/he is, he/she is better than anyone the RepubliCONs put on the ballot!

Vinca

(50,236 posts)
152. I will vote for Bernie in the NH primary and I hope he wins the nomination.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 07:52 AM
Apr 2015

In the general I will vote for whoever isn't the Republican.

 

Joe Worker

(88 posts)
155. I too will vote
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 07:57 AM
Apr 2015

for Sanders if he runs. Isn't it disgusting to see this party take on second and third tier issues while ignoring the inferno that is jobs and the economy? (the media is a large part of the problem)

Failed policies since 1983........why would we ever support more of the same abuse?

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,121 posts)
156. As of today, I am supporting your supporting Bernie Sanders for President...
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 08:04 AM
Apr 2015

Unless, of course, Elizabeth Warren also runs for President. I expect an announcement any day that she's at least considering it.

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
158. Well
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 08:28 AM
Apr 2015

I like Bernie Sanders, he is a compassionate, caring individual. Good luck on his nomination. My personally believe he will not be the nominee, but that is strictly my opinion. My reason is this... he will need to become a democrat, and I feel he is doing much better of a job as an independent.

 

imthevicar

(811 posts)
161. I will vote for whom I feel
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 08:48 AM
Apr 2015

is the best person for the job. Not dried ink from a rubber stamp, nor a shadow of a doubt. I will not vote for any evil, be it the greater or lessor! Don't you dare point your finger at me, for three of them will be pointing back at you for condoning such evil!

kentuck

(111,052 posts)
164. I'm not pointing fingers...
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 10:34 AM
Apr 2015

I'm simply stating who I am voting for and why? If he chooses not to run, then I will have to find another candidate.

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
165. I don't agree that he 'most likely won't' win. If he was up against whatever loony
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 10:36 AM
Apr 2015

the Republicans would eventually select, he would be able to cultivate massive support among people with some modicum of common sense.

And with respect to a Democratic party primary, his straight talk would distinguish him profoundly from Clinton, whose carefully cultivated style of maneuvering around any definitive answer to any question could render her irrelevant.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
167. Sanders will not be able to win. It's too bad, but the country will
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 11:09 AM
Apr 2015

have the fear of Socialism and Communism rammed down their throat....... and remembering the general votership is an uninformed group. They know and see what the media feeds them. The Kochs and Murdock will determine what information will be fed to the public. Sanders will not be able to garner the $1B+ it would take to get out his message.

George II

(67,782 posts)
168. Sanders can do nothing for the Democratic Party until he JOINS the Democratic Party....
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 11:33 AM
Apr 2015

....

I like him, but he's been playing this "I may decide" game too long, and he's turning some of HIS supporters off because of it.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
171. so are hanging at a DEM site, but throw your lot in with a NON DEM
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 12:57 PM
Apr 2015

make sense I suppose.. Explains so very much.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
172. I always vote for who I want in the primary. It's already bought and paid for anyway.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:13 PM
Apr 2015

I voted for Jerry Brown instead of Clinton. I voted for Kucinich instead of Obama. And, of course, I voted for the later dethroned President Gore.

cstanleytech

(26,224 posts)
173. No, it doesnt seem unrealistic..........it is unrealistic.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 01:14 PM
Apr 2015

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No party has every single member on the same exact page and sharing the exact same beliefs and opinions, not the republicans, the democrats or whatever party you care to name unless of course its a party of one in which case its not much of a party.
Now if Sanders runs I will consider him but thats as far as I am willing to go at this time except to say that so far every single republican whos announced that they are running is a wacked out nutjob.

 

staggerleem

(469 posts)
185. Because Bernie is NOT going to get the funding he'll need ...
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 05:17 PM
Apr 2015

... to run a competitive campaign, and when he realizes that, he's not going to run.

I've sent Bernie's campaign a bit of cash, and may send more when I can, but I'm not expecting much. I'm also not responding to any of the "Run Warren Run" e-mails any more, because I believe her when she says she wants to remain in the Senate, and that she can be VERY effective for us there.

Am I in LOVE with the idea of a Hillary Clinton Presidency? No. Will I vote for her over ANY Republican? You can bet the farm on it! Why? Because on the day the next President is inaugurated, 5 Supreme Court Justices will be 79 or older. If a Republican gets to appoint their replacements, I'm moving to New Zealand!

RedCappedBandit

(5,514 posts)
186. Is that because people don't agree with him on policy,
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 05:22 PM
Apr 2015

or is it just because everyone assumes he won't win? Thus, he can't..

I would amend my statement to "No idea why anyone would support Hillary over Bernie or Warren on the policies"


I am in agreement regarding voting for Hillary over any of these republican "candidates".

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