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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAs of today, I am supporting Bernie Sanders for President.
He may not win. Most likely he won't.
But that is not the most important reason to give him my vote.
The reason he will have my vote is that the Democratic Party has lost its way. Somebody needs to put it back on the right track. Somebody needs to talk about issues that matter to average Americans. Bernie has shown that he is willing to do that.
We, as Democrats, need to know what other Democrats are thinking about money in politics, about secret trade treaties, about preserving and strengthening Social Security, about cutting back on the military adventurism, about how our democracy is corrupted by money, etc. It is not acceptable to many of us that some candidates may want to be ambiguous on these issues. We need to hear them talk about those issues. We can no longer vote on blind faith.
I want my Party to believe in the same principles and issues that I believe in. That may seem unrealistic to a lot of Democrats? Bernie Sanders has been talking about the issues that I think are most important to our country. We need to have the discussion. It will be healthy for the Democratic Party.
(I reserve the right to change my vote if Elizabeth Warren changes her mind and decides to run)
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)but, until that time I will look over all the candidates looking for the one closest to my views. At this point that would be Bernie Sanders.
LiberalLoner
(9,761 posts)CK_John
(10,005 posts)switch to DEM and if he runs as a IND the Koch brothers will pump 45 million into his campaign and own it within an hour.
kentuck
(111,052 posts)...not that there is anything wrong with being an Independent Socialist. But surely our ideas should stand for more than our political Label...?
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)he has more perspicacity than 99% of Congress.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)He may change his mind. But he doesn't just put words together based on research by people who decide what sells in politics.
He thinks and then he talks.
He is really great one on one in unrehearsed situations. He handles the unexpected question well.
In short, he is authentic. It is very hard to pick on a person who is authentic. The public senses the reality, the genuine remorse or pain or joy or outrage or love. It's something very deep within us.
Bernie is himself. That is how he will defeat all the criticism and ridicule of himself.
I think that people will like him.
And people are really sick of the trade agreements, etc.
sendit
(58 posts)How can anyone that calls them selves progressive not support him
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)At this unfortunate time in the history of our 'democratic' form of government, someone like Sanders would be worth devoting heavy volunteering time across the country for, in what would have to be record numbers. Fight the money in the trenches, not on the airwaves.
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Look into where he has raised money in the past, he has I think perhaps the best record regarding taking money from wealthy interests. Where do you get the idea that the Kochs can buy him for a few million dollars?
The front runner I can see, she is already purchased by the banks, probably room for one more at the 'ol influence troth in that camp. Remember she had no problem with the Kochs giving her and the other founding members of the DLC money (and seats on the board of that center right organization) when they started up.
CK_John
(10,005 posts)Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)That he has no say in the matter if the Kochs want to give him money?
You are apparently not to be taken seriously in a discussion.
May be worth a laugh or two tho.
CK_John
(10,005 posts)him on the ballot in all 50 states.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Still not to be taken seriously, he has not been conspiring with the kocks to do anything with them in any states let alone fifty.
You are just a slanderous ....
....no one is buying your lies.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)If he found out the Koch-heads were pulling a stunt like that, Bernie would immediately denounce that and dissassociate himself from it.
And once he did, nobody would fall for a Koch-backed scam like that.
So stop smearing Bernie about something you know perfectly well he wouldn't do.
Bernie has nothing in common with Nader.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)see Citizens United.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)If Bernie was put on the ballot against his will.
You can't hold Bernie responsible for the Kochs doing that if they tried it, either.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)But I guarantee you some would vote for him if he was on the ballot, as is their right.
QuestionAlways
(259 posts)this may be because under the rules a candidate can not coordinate with a PAC supporting him. The Koch brothers can form and pump 45 million into an independent campaign PAC, if Bernie ran as an Independent. The Pac would try to pull votes away from Hillary, under the guise of being for Bernie, and thus help the Republican (major) party.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)totodeinhere
(13,056 posts)Do you have a link to his saying that?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)and then Rubio (or one of them) wins.
It's easy...
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Why do you think he will partner with them?
Why slander Sanders as you do?
If he runs he may or may not win the primary, I hope he does, I will vote accordingly and NY is early I believe this cycle.
Are you saying the Kocks align with FDR values and are opposed to the DLC alumni in the race (a group they once supported financially)?
Bullshit! - all of this innuendo!
I suppose he is to be labeled a "papa paul" supporter, as well as "a tool of the Kochs" now.
I think you are slandering a good man.
I think you are now the third person on my ignore list
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I don't think that he would partner with them.
*IF* Bernie were to run as an independent (which he says he won't). The Koch Bros. will ABSOLUTELY start a PAC in his favor and run adds in purple states to pull votes away from the DEM candidate thus ensuring a win for the Republican. Again this is Citizens United at work, the Koch brothers (or any republican donor) would be fools not to take advantage of that opportunity...
Bernie himself would have nothing to do with it, but he wouldn't have to thats how SuperPac's work.
And even if he denounced the actions they took, it would still most likely effect the outcome of the vote.
Sorry thats just the way it is, and I am not slandering anyone.
Also it's foolish to ignore someone who has a reasonable point...
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)That will only run to be a spoiler, that is why it is slanderous, without your assumption, your reply to me would not even exist.
That is all I have to say to you, congrats, you are one of only three whose bullshit is too much for even me to want to read - I usually find even the worst posters merely amusing (in a train wreck sort of way)
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)You call them out like you are calling me out?
merrily
(45,251 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Bernie will stand on his own two feet (or sit) and say what he thinks, what he knows to be true. He is pretty untouchable. He is a funny looking guy, and he doesn't try to "fix" it. He doesn't have ego in the game. He has the desire to do what is right.
It is very hard to ridicule or criticize a candidate who is as genuine as Bernie Sanders.
Bernie is an extremely moral man in the sense that he tries to do what is right even if sometimes he makes mistakes. There is no other candidate or potential candidate (other than maybe Elizabeth Warren) who stand on his level when it comes to social morality and honesty.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)haikugal
(6,476 posts)sammythecat
(3,568 posts)That is just perfect. Bernie Sanders is genuine. Absolutely genuine. It's such a dreadful reality that being genuine sets him apart from just about every single one of our "leaders" in Washington. He's for the people and he tells the truth. In other words, he does his fucking job and that makes him the exception. It's awful, the situation we're in.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Months ago at a speech in NH I attended. He has no intention of being a spoiler. He made that very clear.
bvf
(6,604 posts)What makes you say he can't make a decision, btw?
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)Sen. Sanders is on record as saying he will not run as a spoiler candidate and will in no way allow his actions to enable, assist or aide a Republican victory.
He is adamant on this point.
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)Ran into a big fail last week on Fox News Sunday. Wallace tried baiting him into criticizing Hillary but he was having no part of it.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Thanks!!
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)He will let Hillary say what she thinks, and he will say what he thinks.
I want to see a debate between Hillary and Bernie Sanders. I very much want to see that. And let the best candidate win the primary.
I have volunteered for Bernie Sanders and I hope others do too.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Other so-called potential and current candidates cannot say the same.
merrily
(45,251 posts)It doesn't matter to me. Either way, I will be voting in the Dem Primary.
tazkcmo
(7,300 posts)And followed it up with the not helping the GOP qualifier.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Just give that one a rest.
still_one
(92,061 posts)Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)A bunch of slanderous bullshit that is pissing me off.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)We are saying if he does run (which is his right), then they will take advantage of that. Why wouldn't they?
You don't get to just pretend that we are saying that?!?!
I've voted for Bernie multiple times in VT, and I support him as a politician, so your meme is just that.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Telling Koch to "hedge" their bets with Bernie Sanders.
smokey nj
(43,853 posts)In His First Appearance On Meet The Press Bernie Sanders Terrifies The Koch Brothers
http://www.politicususa.com/2014/09/14/appearance-meet-press-bernie-sanders-terrifies-koch-brothers.html
Bernie Sanders Wont Be Entering the Koch Brothers Primary
http://www.thenation.com/blog/195929/bernie-sanders-wont-be-entering-koch-brothers-primary
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Sen Sanders knows that if he runs for president he and his family will be subject to attack that no one should have to be subject to. He has indicated that he is willing to take the risk if he gets enough people to back him. If that's what you are basing your he "can't make a decision" on, I am disappointed. He doesn't enjoy the comfort of having the Olgarchs behind him. I hope you will support him and not the Oligarch's choice.
merrily
(45,251 posts)No one will own his campaign but him, regardless of who donates. You have zero basis to make that claim.
cali
(114,904 posts)But that is your usual steaming pile. You are wrong. He's my senator.
lame54
(35,262 posts)ananda
(28,834 posts)... if Clinton is the eventual nominee, I will support her and
vote for her.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Sanders/Warren however I can .
kentuck
(111,052 posts)Divided we Fall...
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)our only shot for change .
kentuck
(111,052 posts)But she said she would decide once it was completed...??
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)Sounds like the same sort of reasoning, she will decide when it is passed if she "likes" it or not I suppose.
Perhaps a word or two about fast track legislation while we are waiting for her to decide would be in order?
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)QuestionAlways
(259 posts)She does not have to know what is in TPP in order to do that.
handmade34
(22,756 posts)is to motivate and get all good people out to vote... our only hope for change is to get people out to vote to get the Republicans out of office and good democratic/progressive people in... our only hope for change is action by all of US!!
Hillary Clinton will be a fine President as long as we elect Democrats to take over the Legislature and we continue to work for what is good and healthy for our people and environment...
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polichick
(37,152 posts)Autumn
(44,980 posts)because he can win. He should be announcing one way or the other by the end of the month.
kentuck
(111,052 posts)Autumn
(44,980 posts)Bernie Sanders. Independent Senator from Vermont. They get a lot of likes and shares and even my republican friends and family members like them I'll post one one where he says something about taking care of our Veterans and they go ape shit over it, they are all Independent Socialists from Vermont, they just don't know it. . People hear his message, people like his message.
kentuck
(111,052 posts)I always share them on FB.
I think he might get more Republican votes than some folks might think? They are willing to look at ideas over a Party Label, such as Independent Socialist. If it makes sense and sounds like the truth, most folks are willing to listen. Labels are nothing but labels. Its ideas that are real. Bernie is simply saying it is time to change directions...
Autumn
(44,980 posts)page. It's a start. We can do this.
My ideal ticket would be Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders.
And they could flip a coin to see who was on top of the ticket.
And it would not matter to me if they ran as Democrats or as Independents. Ideas mean more than Party labels.
Autumn
(44,980 posts)More of the same old corporate bipartisanship from two parties seeing to the needs of the wealthy over the needs of the poor, the elderly and the working class can't go on those people are drowning.
kentuck
(111,052 posts)Time For A Change In Direction ?
Autumn
(44,980 posts)It's gonna be good. I think his would be something like that.
merrily
(45,251 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)Either way that ticket was structured...people are tired of hell at the same old same old.
And you would see a change in congress as well
And if it is Hillary with anyone else it will be the same old same old and few will vote...and perhaps another president Bush.
That is my prediction for what it is worth.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)It seems like every good quote that passes through my news feed ends up being a Sanders quote
kacekwl
(7,013 posts)for spreading the message.
handmade34
(22,756 posts)all Vermonters were Independent Socialists
and I really want Bernie in the Senate!!
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hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I'm pulling for Warren but I love Sanders just as much and for the same reasons.
K/R
NRaleighLiberal
(60,006 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)I support Bernie too, 100 percent!
K&R
kentuck
(111,052 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)Sienna86
(2,148 posts)We need to find the very best candidate out there who represents us. I won't give up.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)shit, I miss everything.
H2O Man
(73,506 posts)years ago. If he does enter the Democratic primary contest, I would be very interested. While I haven't made any decision on who I'd voe for in the primary, I would definitely make a financial contribution to his campaign. I believe that would be a solid investment in having a discussion of important issues.
Thank you for this OP/thread.
Recommended.
H2O Man
(73,506 posts)election cycle, is it not?
kentuck
(111,052 posts)They are not happy with the direction we are going.
Autumn
(44,980 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)and even some of the sheeple are beginning to sense something is very wrong.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)My mistake was dismissing them as astroturf instead of astrokudzu.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)besides, it does your candidate no harm if Bernie runs in the primaries and caucuses.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Oh and, he's not a Democrat either.
I would not vote for an independent with no chance to win. That would just get us President Cruz or some other republican whack job.
bvf
(6,604 posts)it would be as a Democrat. I don't have a cite at my fingertips, but I'm fairly certain he's said as much.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)It's cool if you support him (hell, I think he'd make an EXCEPTIONAL president), but I hadn't heard he had declared and joined the Democratic Party at this point.
blue neen
(12,319 posts)I thought this forum was Democratic Underground.
Until, and unless, Bernie Sanders a) Switches to the Democratic Party and b) Declares he is running for President as a Democrat, then any more talk of Sanders is moot.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)He would switch to the Democrats before announcing.
emulatorloo
(44,058 posts)He needs to run!
Ilsa
(61,690 posts)I'll vote for the Democratic nominee and hope it's Bernie.
grandpamike1
(193 posts)To hear that people who would be turned off by HRC, would, either not vote, vote for someone else, and take a chance that a Republican gets the Presidency. Selfish, is one of the words to describe people of this sort. A house, Senate and Presidency with Republicans in all those offices, would mean that the next picks for the Supreme Court would be filled with ideologue Republicans like the ones we have now, and the though of that, even if I hated HRC is something I do not want to consider.
TheKentuckian
(25,020 posts)gang while robbing the poor and working people into fucking oblivion have some fucking nerve to even mention selfishness is crazy.
Prop up and expand too big to fail and you want to try to take to task the people trying to make it?
The Turd Way power grab has been running unopposed for a generation and you have the nerve to whine about people having enough? Please. Can the lame as guilt trips and fucking help instead of tossing us an anchor while making a path of rose petals for the greediest motherfuckers in all of human history.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Each of us is entitled to their opinions and to make up their own mind as to their choice in both the primary elections and in November of 2106. One hopes that those are informed decisions, but even if not, those decisions belong to the individual, they may chose to vote for Candidate "A" or "B" or not to vote at all as they may feel that the candidates do not represent their beliefs.
While you may not agree with the choices that others make, I would hesitate to engage in what appears to be name calling. You may believe them to be "Selfish", but it may be that they view the world differently than you do.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)QuestionAlways
(259 posts)The fact that he is a self-declared socialist is a killer in the GE. Low information voters think socialist equals Russia. I love him and his ideas, but I must vote or Hillary and a sane SCOTUS.
merrily
(45,251 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)who, hypothetically, backed them?
right?
this is what we're supposed to oppose, correct?
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)I will not vote for the status quo anymore. I will vote for the candidate that best represents my interests. If that candidate is a Democrat, then great. If not, so be it.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)unless he beats whoever is running in the Democratic election because he has sworn NOT to run as 3rd party
unless you write in his name, I guess
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)The OP isn't a toddler. Telling him whom he may NOT vote for as if he were trying to snag an extra cookie is ludicrous. It's an excellent way, however, to ensure that people won't take you seriously.
NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)for Bernie in nov unless he won the democratic primary
do you understand that?
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)You sure are rude, BTW
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)NoJusticeNoPeace
(5,018 posts)is the next president.
You check off next to Hillary's name, and he isnt.
What do you do?
PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)chknltl
(10,558 posts)flying-skeleton
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G_j
(40,366 posts)Run Bernie Run!!
Octafish
(55,745 posts)I'm so old I remember where Bernie's standing was called the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)He speaks truth to power. We need someone who is fearless.
And he is.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I think this country needs someone with his integrity very badly. It makes me so sad to hear, "He's too old" or "He looks funny." This isn't American Idol, this is our country, slipping into ruin. I want someone that can't be bought. That's pretty much the measure now.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)focus on his looks. He isn't vain. He is not overly concerned about those superficial things. And that will work for him. That will be an asset for him.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)I think many are drawn to looks so might go for O'Malley rather than someone who doesn't give them a tingle. I think Independents might be swayed (I think for all the conservatives that might agree with what he says, their preachers will tell them that gawd said to vote for Jeb and that will be that). We'll see. I'm surprised at how low people go on this board alone.
kacekwl
(7,013 posts)to the party. Run Bernie Run.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)But he's not announced he's running, has he?
BKH70041
(961 posts)Until I miss a very makable putt, then I reserve the right to switch.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,020 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)I believe it because I've witnessed them all in action. He represents the platform we should all support.
K&R
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)If Bernie is in it, I'll do my part to try and help him win it.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)If he is the nominee I will support him enthusiastically.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)That will accomplish two things.
First, it will legitimize her claim to the Democratic nomination by actually beating an opponent, no matter how outmatched he may be.
Second, Bernie will make her look younger to the voters.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)blondie58
(2,570 posts)Warren/Sanders. It would be perfect.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)rury
(1,021 posts)wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)BreakfastClub
(765 posts)in politics. Purists forget that to our party's detriment. That's the reason I could never fully adore Ted Kennedy. He railed against Jimmy Carter not being liberal enough and tried to primary a sitting president. He had a hand in giving us Ronald Reagan as a result of his idealism. He also killed Carter's healthcare reform because it wasn't liberal enough. That hurt a lot of people, set us back 30 years, and ultimately killed many who died without access to adequate health care.
Idealism has its place, but it isn't in politics. On the other side of the aisle, we see the purists doing the same thing; shutting down government, insisting on their way or the highway, turning Americans against them because they insist on purity over politics. Politics is dirty, and the best that you can hope for is a good compromise most of the time. It's not for the purist, that's for sure.
kentuck
(111,052 posts)..others may call common sense necessity.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Great OP, we so need an opposition party.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)future for votes and recognition. None of the good he's done changes that.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)interesting
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)As a spoiler.
They have a theory that has the Kochs working with him to get on the ballot in all 50 states and then focus on the purple ones just to screw us all!
Read up thread.
It is breaking news in their little world.
cali
(114,904 posts)And you surely don't know what's in the tpp. I know Senator Sanders. I've never Sen any evidence that he's a liar.
TheKentuckian
(25,020 posts)of the conservative movement.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,020 posts)kentuck
(111,052 posts)It should not be a topic of discussion whether or not he should change his party nomenclature?
His ideas are more important than Party labels.
Bernie is a Democrat.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)I've already signed up so I'm glad you're on board.
marym625
(17,997 posts)We don't need to have a self fulfilling prophecy like that. He can and will win.
We need someone that is strong on domestic policy and cares about the American people. He can have a secretary of state and VP strong on foreign policy that aren't warmongers
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)In the general I shall vote for the Democratic Party's candidate. No matter how bad she/he is, he/she is better than anyone the RepubliCONs put on the ballot!
Vinca
(50,236 posts)In the general I will vote for whoever isn't the Republican.
Joe Worker
(88 posts)for Sanders if he runs. Isn't it disgusting to see this party take on second and third tier issues while ignoring the inferno that is jobs and the economy? (the media is a large part of the problem)
Failed policies since 1983........why would we ever support more of the same abuse?
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,121 posts)Unless, of course, Elizabeth Warren also runs for President. I expect an announcement any day that she's at least considering it.
rtracey
(2,062 posts)I like Bernie Sanders, he is a compassionate, caring individual. Good luck on his nomination. My personally believe he will not be the nominee, but that is strictly my opinion. My reason is this... he will need to become a democrat, and I feel he is doing much better of a job as an independent.
imthevicar
(811 posts)is the best person for the job. Not dried ink from a rubber stamp, nor a shadow of a doubt. I will not vote for any evil, be it the greater or lessor! Don't you dare point your finger at me, for three of them will be pointing back at you for condoning such evil!
kentuck
(111,052 posts)I'm simply stating who I am voting for and why? If he chooses not to run, then I will have to find another candidate.
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)the Republicans would eventually select, he would be able to cultivate massive support among people with some modicum of common sense.
And with respect to a Democratic party primary, his straight talk would distinguish him profoundly from Clinton, whose carefully cultivated style of maneuvering around any definitive answer to any question could render her irrelevant.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)have the fear of Socialism and Communism rammed down their throat....... and remembering the general votership is an uninformed group. They know and see what the media feeds them. The Kochs and Murdock will determine what information will be fed to the public. Sanders will not be able to garner the $1B+ it would take to get out his message.
George II
(67,782 posts)....
I like him, but he's been playing this "I may decide" game too long, and he's turning some of HIS supporters off because of it.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)K&R
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)make sense I suppose.. Explains so very much.
valerief
(53,235 posts)I voted for Jerry Brown instead of Clinton. I voted for Kucinich instead of Obama. And, of course, I voted for the later dethroned President Gore.
cstanleytech
(26,224 posts)Last edited Thu Apr 23, 2015, 04:03 PM - Edit history (1)
No party has every single member on the same exact page and sharing the exact same beliefs and opinions, not the republicans, the democrats or whatever party you care to name unless of course its a party of one in which case its not much of a party.
Now if Sanders runs I will consider him but thats as far as I am willing to go at this time except to say that so far every single republican whos announced that they are running is a wacked out nutjob.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)I will not vote for a conservative, I don't care what party they claim.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)May as well vote for the cookie monster
donnasgirl
(656 posts)I agree and will back you 1000%. Sorry I am late to the post
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)staggerleem
(469 posts)... to run a competitive campaign, and when he realizes that, he's not going to run.
I've sent Bernie's campaign a bit of cash, and may send more when I can, but I'm not expecting much. I'm also not responding to any of the "Run Warren Run" e-mails any more, because I believe her when she says she wants to remain in the Senate, and that she can be VERY effective for us there.
Am I in LOVE with the idea of a Hillary Clinton Presidency? No. Will I vote for her over ANY Republican? You can bet the farm on it! Why? Because on the day the next President is inaugurated, 5 Supreme Court Justices will be 79 or older. If a Republican gets to appoint their replacements, I'm moving to New Zealand!
RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)or is it just because everyone assumes he won't win? Thus, he can't..
I would amend my statement to "No idea why anyone would support Hillary over Bernie or Warren on the policies"
I am in agreement regarding voting for Hillary over any of these republican "candidates".
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(32,139 posts)philosslayer
(3,076 posts)He's not even a Democrat. Why are you here?