Hillary Clinton is running for president...

[one_voice]

not Bill's blow job. I cannot even believe we're discussing this. I feel like I've fallen down some alternate universe rabbit hole where a woman is responsible for what her fucking husband did.



His indiscretion brought up to smear Hillary...seriously

[mcar]

1. Kick for sense

Thank you.

[Autumn]

2. They are tied together throughout history, that's not gonna go away.

Ever. Ken Starr and the republicans made sure of that.

[leftofcool]

4. Of course not.

But, Hillary is NOT her husband. Some of us are a bit sick of hearing about Bill's blow job.

[Autumn]

6. I got sick of that one the first news report, years ago

[Rex]

55. I'm still pissed off at the Congressional Dems that stabbed BD in the back!

That sham of a investigation, given legal support by DINOs.

[Autumn]

56. It was a disgrace. And that stupid old supreme court guy in those fucking robes

he had special made for the impeachment has stuck with me vividly. That blew my ass out of the water.

[pnwmom]

52. What Dem won't they smear? Didn't we learn anything from the swift boating of John Kerry?

No candidate is safe from their vicious, unfounded attacks. At least the Clintons know how to fight back.

[cherokeeprogressive]

3. Glad I missed those threads. n/t

[Scuba]

5. There are lots of good reasons to want someone other than Hillary. Bill's antics ain't one of them.

[winter is coming]

9. +1,000,000. n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

14. Agreed.

I couldn't muster up the high dudgeon over it then, sure as shit am not going to now.

[one_voice]

32. Me either..

I didn't much care back then I really don't care now. I always thought it was between Hillary & Bill. Dragging it out now is gross.

[misterhighwasted]

7. And some here are just shocked & insulted when their hate shows itself & they are called haters.

The anti Hillary speak is hate. I see they have treated her campaign logo like something mocking, the way that Limbaugh would do.
We have a few Limbaughs & Becks among us.

[Warren DeMontague]

15. Um, people mock things like logos all the time in politics.

There will be a primary. Some attacks on HRC are lame (like trying to spin up old Clenis outrage) but that does not mean her campaign is entitled to not be criticized at all.

Once she's the nominee, if she is, it will be a different story, but she's not the nominee yet.

[misterhighwasted]

25. Disagree. But you may see it as acceptable. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

27. I do, as a matter of fact.

And I think trying to paint ALL criticism of HRC's campaign as somehow "right wing" ("using words? that's what Rush Limbaugh does- he uses words!&quot is an exceedingly weak position to argue from.

[misterhighwasted]

28. As someone did in #17?? Glad you see this as lame. Its Limbaugh's childish playbook.

[Warren DeMontague]

50. Ah... What the sam hell are you talking about?

Please, try to keep it linear.

Um, okay, responding to what I'm sort of guessing you're trying to say:

One can think bringing up the blowjob and impeachment are pretty fucking weak and lame- (most of us, I'm pretty sure, thought ken starr dragged the country through two years of totally pointless crap that wasnt the business of anyone outside the Clintons and those immediately involved)

....and still not be on board with Hillary's more pablum-like campaign statements, or her history of voting for things like the IWR, or even her logo, for that matter.

(full disclosure: i think the logo is aesthetically sort of ugly, but in terms of symbolic value it doesnt bother me at all)

You have fallen into the logical fallacy of "right wingers criticize hillary so everyone who criticizes hillary is a right winger"-- which is like logic for carrots and other semi-sentient organic life forms.

I have to believe you're putting on an act, and are in reality smarter than that.

[LiberalElite]

36. They just didn't like the logo - how does this

make them like right wing assholes? Please do go on.

[misterhighwasted]

42. No point. If you're ok with it then I know the Limbaughs & Becks happily exist here on DU.

Do their work for them.
It's beneath me, however.
I'd prefer to attack the riders in The Clown Car.
They are America's real threat.
They will change the Nation forever.

Isn't that the true goal of our Limbaughs & Becks, afterall?
Appears so.

[LiberalElite]

44. This is beyond ridiculous -

someone criticizes a logo and theyr'e Limbaughs and Becks? Explain that. I'm waiting. I suspect I'll be waiting a long time for an explanation that makes sense.

[misterhighwasted]

45. If you don't 'get it'by now I doubt I can give an answer to satisfy you.

Really, it's not like the first time this stuff has been addressed here on DU.
You don't want an answer. Just a pissin match.
Bye.

[NanceGreggs]

8. Allow me to add ...

I KNOW I'm not logged into a RW site, and yet I often get the feeling lately that I have somehow wound up on one nonetheless.

[LiberalElite]

37. Maybe, just maybe if you all weren't so

damn touchy about anything and everything posted that doesn't absolutely adore Hillary, you wouldn't feel like you were on a rw website. Try a little introspection.

[NanceGreggs]

39. Maybe, just maybe ...

... if I weren't posting on a website that purports to be supportive of Democrats, I wouldn't find the posting of RW talking points as jarringly inappropriate as they are.

And the minute I see the phrase "doesn't absolutely adore Hillary", I know I am dealing with someone who isn't politically astute enough to know the difference between support and adoration.

[misterhighwasted]

43. I swear I just answered Rush Limbaugh's post.

Sure smells like Limbaugh stink.

[sufrommich]

10. There's a thread today attacking her for her age

(doesn't she look tired?),and wondering out loud if it's "safe" to elect her because she had a blood clot (what if she's brain damaged,just asking?) and comparing her looks to Elizabeth Warren ( who I'm sure would be deeply offended by sexist crap like that). The article is written by a guy who works for the conservative Cato Institute. This willingness to scrape the bottom of the barrel for an opportunity to attack her is disgusting.

[hrmjustin]

11. What did I miss?

[giftedgirl77]

13. Here's the link...

http://election.democraticunderground.com/10026547013

[hrmjustin]

16. oh ok.

I am avoiding that thread.

[giftedgirl77]

20. I did too, it turned into nothing but mudslinging & nonsense...

But you asked.

[hrmjustin]

22. And I thank you kindly.

[giftedgirl77]

24. No problem.

[Scuba]

18. No mention of blow jobs in that post.

[giftedgirl77]

19. No, it's in the mess of a subthread.

[Scuba]

21. I quit reading when it said the Democratic Party had moved to the left. Ridiculous.

[giftedgirl77]

23. Lol, the whole thing is a hot mess.

[Scootaloo]

26. And that subthread is targeting Bill, not Hillary

[giftedgirl77]

31. I know, that's what the whole OP was about in the 1st place.

If you read the subthread it turned into a huge debate over the damn blow job.

[PowerToThePeople]

12. I feel for you.

I do not support her and think she is a poor choice, but personal attacks and her husband's history should not be part of the discussion.

[Warren DeMontague]

17. DAMN YOU, FIENDISH CLENIS

[awoke_in_2003]

47. All these years later...

it is still All Powerful

[rhett o rick]

29. I so agree. That is a complete distraction. We should concentrate on getting her

to tell us where she stands on the TPP. With Sen Sanders, Sen Warren and the Progressive Wing, or with Mitch McDipshit and the Republicons.

[99Forever]

30. Can't say I've even heard that mentioned till right now on DU.

Must have the right people on ignore, eh?

[Dems to Win]

33. A vote for Hillary is a vote for Bill to become First Gentleman

I cannot even believe we're discussing elevating Bill in prestige once again, while Monica Lewinsky has never been able to find a job or a boyfriend.

I feel like I've fallen down some alternate universe rabbit hole where feminists are being asked to vote for a sexual harrasser in chief to return to the White House as First Gent. This is the best the Democrats can offer?

[sufrommich]

34. God I hope this is satire. nt

[awoke_in_2003]

48. If it is...

it is very bad.

[NYC_SKP]

35. Correct.

It has been suggested in that thread that this on-the-job sexual behavior was just fine because no allegations of abuse were made.

In reality, when the top CEO is doing it with interns, you have a hostile work environment, even when they're consenting adults.

The power differential is so large that it's hard to say that consent is even possible, and such behavior can set a frightening tone for other employees.

It's creepy at the very least, and that's baggage we don't need.

[joshcryer]

51. WTF she walked away a millionaire.

[NanceGreggs]

54. Hate to be the one to break it to you ...

... but there is no such thing as voting for anyone to become First Gentleman. In fact, no such office exists - except in the fevered imagination of some.

"Feminists are being asked to vote for a sexual harrasser in chief to return to the White House as First Gent."

Uh, no.

Feminists are being invited to vote for Hillary Rodham Clinton as the next POTUS. Feminists will cast that vote on the basis of who HRC is, and not on the basis of who her husband is.

Monica Lewinsky's inability to find a "job or a boyfriend" has nothing to do with it. Actually, it has less than nothing to do with it.

Quite frankly, "I feel like I've fallen down some alternate universe rabbit hole" when dreck like this is offered up as something worthy of serious discussion on a political website.

[snooper2]

38. why would you bring it up again if it isn't of interest

chances on reply - 43-1

[one_voice]

40. I wanted to see what your response...

would be. I'm disappointed.

I expected a video.

[Thinkingabout]

41. From other post it does appear some are throwing out the Bill subject.

Hillary will be running on her own good record. I can see the time where Bill will be speaking in favor of Hillary because he also knows her record and her qualifications. The chance of changing some minds is probably nil to none, still does not make their talking points correct. Will I change my mind because of their talking points, no, especially when the talking points are crap.

[Cheese Sandwich]

46. I question HRC's judgement on ...

on the Iraq war, and on trade policy, and on oil pipelines. She has shown bad judgement on these major issues.

But whether or not she showed bad judgement by staying married to a serial adulterer? That's none of my business. It's her own personal issue and doesn't reflect on her abilities or character in any way.

[spanone]

49. 'serial adulterer' link?

[Art_from_Ark]

53. I think that's probably a collective reference to Monica Lewinski,

Gennifer Flowers, and Paula Jones.

[NCTraveler]

57. Seems one person on this board can't type "Monica" enough.

Just waiting for them to pull out Vince Foster. NYC rocks.