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President Barack Obama addresses an Organizing for Action (OFA) summit in Washington
A powerful speech full of facts. Shame on the Democrats fundraising against President Obama. That includes you, Sen. Elizabeth Warren. He has proven himself over and over and over again. He brought us back from the brink of a depression and saved the economy; which has been creating jobs month after month. Over 16 million people have comprehensive and affordable insurance thanks to him. He saved the auto industry. He has been a champion for the environment. He put two women on the Supreme Court. He fought for credit card and Wall Street Reform. The first bill he signed was the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act into law. He cut taxes for over 98% of middle and working class families. He is proposing free community college. He increased Pell Grants for millions of students. He reformed the student loan program. He righted the wrong of the crack cocaine and powder cocaine sentencing laws. He created an effective and comprehensive task force to curb the surge of police violence against citizens. He has put money into job training so that millions can have a better future. He has made sure Native Americans have a seat at the table and have a hand in creating policies that protect and make sure their communities flourish. He has been fighting for economic fairness and against income inequality years before these so called Democrats considered it an issue. He has fought for LGBT rights. What more must he do to prove that he is ALWAYS and has ALWAYS been on the side of working, middle class, and marginalized folks?
Shame on any Democrat who distances himself or herself from President Barack Obama. Shame on any Democrat saying this trade agreement would destroy America. That includes you, Sen. Warren. He campaigned hard for her. That he has to defend himself like this is abhorrent. Shame on them. They are not fit to shine his shoes. He has been a phenomenal president and history will remember him well.
More Here http://theobamadiary.com/2015/04/23/president-barack-obama-a-phenomenal-president-that-history-will-remember-well/
Yet....What more must he do to prove that he is ALWAYS and has ALWAYS been on the side of working, middle class, and marginalized folks?
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)I'll give it a KNR!
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)yet not sure I totally agree.
Thanks JaneyVee.
yourout
(7,524 posts)His unwillingness to take on the banksters and the Bush cabal are to big to overlook.
On edit....the long term damage from TPP could wipe out pretty much all the good will people currently have for him.
2nd edit....fixed typo.
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)He will go down in history as transformational.
craigmatic
(4,510 posts)yourout
(7,524 posts)craigmatic
(4,510 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) is a proposed regional regulatory and investment treaty. As of 2014, twelve countries throughout the Asia-Pacific region have participated in negotiations on the TPP: Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore, the United States, and Vietnam.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Partnership
LordGlenconner
(1,348 posts)yourout
(7,524 posts)the other so called Free Trade Agreements caused.
It hit me and a lot of people I know pretty hard in the wallet.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)transformational presidents of modern times.
For others, he'll never do enough to even be considered mediocre but we all know why.
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)You know and I know, yet tonight I won't say it because people love to give me a hide when I do. My last hide fades away tomorrow night.
It was from my Op that everyone matters.
underahedgerow
(1,232 posts)Just imagine where we would be today had they 'won' the office.
I can't even begin to lend a thought to the unspeakable horrors we would have had to witness.
Ugh, gives me the serious creeps!!!!!!!! Yikes!!!!!
Yorktown
(2,884 posts)He was served with a lousy hand: the 2007-8 Great Recession, unemployment up, the Iraq/Afghan mess and the ensuing deficit dug by GW.
He managed to smooth the waters of recession and unemployment, drew down the Iraq/Afghan quagmires, helped promote free trade with the TPP and introduced the Affordable Care Act. Mighty achievements.
The failings: QE overspending, leading to a continuation of unsustainable deficits. Did not start to lean of the Arab regimes supporting terror. And radicalization of the Russian dictatorship could have been avoided by negotiating over an Ukrainian controlled schedule.
But I guess comments are easier to make than to get all this done.
So, all in all, a very good report card.
still_one
(92,061 posts)Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)Your opinion of this president is main stream there.
yourout
(7,524 posts)I like Obama and think he is a good man but my bar for greatness is much higher than yours.
madokie
(51,076 posts)I believe that wholeheartedly.
I wavered posting this in the BOG or GD. I said to hell with it, this goes in GD on a Democratic board. Hey, I have been flamed before.
Love you madokie.
madokie
(51,076 posts)As best I can see we walk hand in hand
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)always-wrong Right and those on the far-Left who don't like him for whatever reason they can conjure, he's already seen as one of our greatest presidents.
Having won both of his elections with over 51% of the vote says as much.
msongs
(67,361 posts)good qualities but new messiah is not one of them IMO
Hekate
(90,560 posts)...of your fantasy?
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)"The truth of the matter is that my policies are so mainstream that if I had set the same policies that I had back in the 1980s, I would be considered a moderate Republican,"
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/272957-obama-says-his-economic-policies-so-mainstream-hed-be-seen-as-moderate-republican-in-1980s
Fiscally, he's to the right of Reagan.
Hekate
(90,560 posts)....are such fun, aren't they Manny?
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Thanks.
Hekate
(90,560 posts)You know what you're doing; you can find you way through the forest of information technology.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)I guess any readers of this thread will have to decide for themselves.
Hekate
(90,560 posts)Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)I guess you should know from Reagan, and all that...
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Was that unclear?
While Elizabeth Warren, I, and some other *were* 1980s Republicans and realized we were wrong, our President is currently claiming that he still is a 1980s Republican. Do you agree with our President that Ronald Reagan's policies were basically the way to go?
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Wading through the mass of strawmen in that post...
Let me ask you, did you agree with Reagan? Seems you're the one in this discussion who actually voted for him.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)What context am I leaving out?
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)People can draw their own conclusions without your "assistance."
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Then I'll be happy to answer your question.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)about taking one line from an interview and
applying your predicable spin to it. This particular tidbit has been "worked through" ad nauseam.
Again, considering you're the only one in this discussion who actually voted for Reagan, I made the additional observation that you would know from Reagonite thinking on the matter.
I'm not jumping through your diversionary hoops over your interpretation of this sound bite. It's been done to death, and that you continue to hold it up as some kind of AHAH!!11 moment is just silly.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Seems pretty clear.
The President currently aligns himself with Ronald Reagan's policies, and your accusation that his words were taken out of context is clearly false.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Like I said, people can draw their own conclusions without your assistance.
I just find it deeply ironic that you, of all people, would reach for the Reagan comparisons without batting an eye.
I have no use for Reaganites, particularly the holier than thou types.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)people who favored Republican policies 30 years ago, but no longer do... yet are tremendously fond of a person who claims that he currently favors those same policies.
If I didn't know better... nah, never mind.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Nah, nevermind indeed.
Keep piling it on, your audience awaits.
What a load. Fuck Reagan and his enablers.
eta: you can underline your words until your fingers fall off, but your emphasis doesn't make those words any more accurate. Considering the source...
Number23
(24,544 posts)by presumably the uninformed masses is the same thing as saying "hey y'all, I AM a moderate Republican."
So not worth the time or trouble. And as you said, that old canard has been debunked, rebunked and then debunked again so many times it is beyond obvious that anyone that trots it out now is trying to fool the easily foolable.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)The same crowd lined up with the high fives and hell yeahs for this guy too...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6548590
Brilliant.
Number23
(24,544 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)The video is right there. I just posted if for someone else who claimed he never likened himself to a moderate Republican.
The denial of facts on here is astounding.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)You can google or search my posts for lots more links to him saying it - I've had to let plenty of his fans know about it. Talk about fantasy...
I never called him a new messiah, now did I?
You on the other hand intimated...
good qualities but new messiah is not one of them IMO
That those that support him are mindless worshipers. We mindlessly adore. Way to go msongs! Way to go!
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)I'm pretty sure he said that in the context of fighting for something that conservative democrats and all republicans were opposing. That what he was proposing was merely something that a moderate republican during the Eisenhower era would have supported. You know, the Eisenhower era when from what I've read, the highest marginal tax rate on personal income was over 80%. Now it's down around 34%. So, I'm pretty sure he said that from a standpoint of urging something more progressive.
As for the messiah comment, I've never seen anyone here call him a messiah. Frankly I find that to be a right wing meme that also doesn't seem to die.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)One would think you aren't buying the clap trap, and out of context noodling a few on this thread are trying to push lol
JanMichael
(24,873 posts)I actually like President Obama (compared to the total corporatist he is decent guy) but unchecked idolization seems somehow childish and weird.
Remember Living Colour? That's what I hear in your OP:
Look in my eyes, what do you see?
The Cult of Personality
I know your anger
I know your dreams
I've been everything you want to be
I'm the Cult of Personality
Like Mussolini and Kennedy
I'm the Cult of Personality
The Cult of Personality
The Cult of Personality
Neon lights, a Nobel Prize
When a mirror speaks, the reflection lies
You won't have to follow me
Only you can set me free
I sell the things you need to be
I'm the smiling face on your TV
I'm the Cult of Personality
I exploit you
Still you love me
I tell you one and one makes three
I'm the Cult of Personality
Like Joseph Stalin and Gandhi
I'm the Cult of Personality
EDIT: And I am a total Socialist too. Go figure.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)JanMichael
(24,873 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)JanMichael
(24,873 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)I suggest you take your own, um, sage advice.
JanMichael
(24,873 posts)sheshe2
(83,654 posts)Your thoughts on Snowden and Greenwald?
Off topic yet~
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)I know the difference between religion and respecting a President's accomplishments in spite of, not because of, vehement opposition from both the right and the left.
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)Cha
(296,849 posts)"religion" and whatever else just because we appreciate what all he has accomplished since he's been in office.
I laugh at your accusations.
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)Okay, that's what you read here. Got it. I guess, I think?! Wait, what???? I have no clue where you are coming from. Thanks for the laugh.
JanMichael
(24,873 posts)They do with me because I and a hard Lefty and even I get the weird idolization reflected in images, font, heightened defensiveness, and general gushing.
I understand why you do not understand my comment.
Got it.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 24, 2015, 02:16 AM - Edit history (1)
against Living Colour lyrics, and take a strong stance in favor of the rock band.
Hekate
(90,560 posts)Do not, repeat do not, rise to the bait. We need you here.
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)Thank you Hekate. Will remain calm or ignore them in my mind, 'cause I see all that is said. I have no one on ignore.
I so love ya sista!
betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Looks like you're wrong.
your post, Scurrilous!
Damn that was good.
Brava or Bravo!
greatauntoftriplets
(175,729 posts)betterdemsonly
(1,967 posts)not fans who like his image.
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)You have no clue about his supporters at all. You call them fans Are we stupid mindless groupies>
So just to piss you off here is a picture, or two of his awesomeness.
I so love this.
Wow, you said this. I can't believe it. Obama is an image to us? We are just stupid fans of a perceived idol. This President lacks depth and intellect as do his supporters.
not fans who like his image.
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Holy..................Dear goddess save us all. We can't have fun for one moment? We are not allowed to celebrate this President?
Love Pres. Carter.
I also agree with she2.
MineralMan
(146,262 posts)Cha
(296,849 posts)by calling him a celeb and his supporters fans.
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)You are a blessing to DU. One of the best.
Cha
(296,849 posts)loving person as yourself.
Mahalo for posting this, she.. This dustup with Sen Warren has been on my mind all day since I read this ..
Elizabeth Warren is Not Telling the Truth About The Trans-Pacific Partnership Trade Deal
snip//
More precisely, President Obama is telling the truth about the deal, and Senator Warren is not. Since the TPP deal is still under negotiation, the merits of the final agreement are (or will be) debatable, but the deceptive rhetoric being employed by Warren is not.
snip//
"This is not a new phenomenon, and one which Sen. Warren seems to understand in the context of the P5+1 talks. When she is shocked, SHOCKED that the TPP deal isnt available for public viewing while it is still being negotiated, she is not telling you the truth. She knows that the reason the deal isnt available while its being negotiated is, right or wrong, because public pressure could, at any point, derail a flawed but fixable agreement. The reason she gives, however, is quite literally unbelievable:
Seriously, Sen. Warren? People have given it to you? Way to narrow it down, because I was going to go away convinced youd been advised by hoot owls, who are notorious liars. Why the secrecy, though? If these people are so sure TPP is a horrible deal, why cant we talk to them? Can other people besides you see them?
Senator Warren calls TPP a top secret deal, shes not telling you the truth. Any member of Congress can see it now, and before Congress votes on it, the final deal will be posted online for 60 days. What we can see now is the USTR summary of the deal, which, granted, isnt the deal, but it isnt nothing.
Finally, when Senator Warren says that the TPA bill leaves us virtually no ability to stop it from the Senate or the House, or concern-trolls about fixing a final deal through an amendments process that TPA shuts off, shes not telling you the truth. The final deal, after its 60-day public review period, will receive an up-or-down vote, which means Congress can quite easily stop the deal. It just means that a minority in Congress cant obstruct the deal. Ditto the amendments, which would not be a way to fix a final deal since the other 11 nations involved would also insist on that authority, irreparably gumming up the negotiations. Amendments, in this case, are a way to obstruct a final deal. See nuclear deal, Iran once again."
MOre..
http://thedailybanter.com/2015/04/elizabeth-warren-is-not-telling-the-truth-about-the-trans-pacific-partnership-trade-deal/
She is my Senator, yet I don't like this either,
Me, I am sticking with the adult in the room with the level head,. He has not proved me wrong yet.
Cha
(296,849 posts)good coming from Sen Warren but this disingenuous red meat rhetoric is not helping.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)I think Senator Warren and President Obama get along fine.
Even if Warren's comments do nothing more than stick up for unions and / or her constituents in Massachusetts, I think it's healthy debate. Also I think her comments will push the President and Congress to make it more available to the public and potentially more helpful for American workers.
The real liars are the right wing. On the big issues like taxing the top 2%, war, gay rights, tons of huge stuff.
Just my two cents. Hope you're good Cha! Aloha!
Cha
(296,849 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,135 posts)Cha
(296,849 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)But those who campaigned for, donated to, and supported this President throughout his remarkable tenure in office are not "fans" - we are citizens grateful for his leadership, and appreciative of his accomplishments.
How incredibly sad that you apparently don't know the difference between the two.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)I am listening to both sides on TPP. I have to admit, much of the talk is beyond my ken. So I won't speak about that which I am still in the process of trying to understand.
But the subject line nails it: President Barack Obama: A Phenomenal President That History Will Remember Well
Cha
(296,849 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Both are the same trade deals only with different parts of the globe.
The TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership) is being negotiated between the U.S. and Asian and South and Central American countries.
The TTIP (Transatlantic Trade Investment Partnership) is being negotiated between the U.S. and the European Union.
So why do I hear Senator Warren, Sanders, and Rep. Grayson, exclusively, loudly wailing against the TPP and they say next to nothing about the TTIP while both trade deals are being simultaneously negotiated?
Makes you wonder, doesn't it?
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)Interesting post.
The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (T-TIP) is an ambitious, comprehensive, and high-standard trade and investment agreement being negotiated between the United States and the European Union (EU). T-TIP will help unlock opportunity for American families, workers, businesses, farmers and ranchers through increased access to European markets for Made-in-America goods and services. This will help to promote U.S. international competitiveness, jobs and growth.
The U.S. and EU economies are two of the most modern, most developed, and most committed to high standards of consumer protection in the world. T-TIP aims to bolster that already strong relationship in a way that will help boost economic growth and add to the more than 13 million American and EU jobs already supported by transatlantic trade and investment. T-TIP will be a cutting edge agreement aimed at providing greater compatibility and transparency in trade and investment regulation, while maintaining high levels of health, safety, and environmental protection. T-TIP presents an extraordinary opportunity to strengthen the bond between vital strategic and economic partners.
https://ustr.gov/ttip
Hair on fire as always. Blame the president always. This one is very interesting.Sounds like we will clearly benefit here. I must read more. Thank you.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Always happy to contribute in some small way.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Things that make you go "hmm."
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)I think you should make this an OP! It is a very interesting question you pose.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)I'm very interested in the responses it will generate.
4now
(1,596 posts)Many Dems. should be ashamed of how treat Obama.
And hello 4now!
Cha
(296,849 posts)to you for posting it, she.
I don't know what this business is that Senator Warren is doing but I believe the President. They've had 1700 meetings on TTP. Congress knows what's going on. And, the Trade Deals have always been in secret but they will be shown before the final deal.. is my understanding.
"I would not be doing this trade deal if I did not think it was good for the middle class. And when you hear folks make a lot of suggestions about how bad this trade deal is, when you dig into the facts they are wrong," Obama said.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/21/politics/obama-trade-democratic-opposition/
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)then I know he has to feel it is fully earned now. Watching Congress fumble around him as he floats like a butterfly just out of reach. All their garbage about impeachment, comparing him to their god Reagan, trying to sabotage him from the very start, fucking over people that need medical care. The GOP shows now more than ever their bitter contempt for minorities and really everyone in the labor force.
Obama is a world leader, sad to say we haven't had one of those in a while in the White House. HRC or whomever (throw that in there so I don't get roasted) takes over will have 8 years to prove themselves as good. I maintain the GOPukers destroy their brand worse and worse with every election.
Shame we don't treat congressional elections the same as the POTUS. So many people fuck up and blame Obama, when they hardly ever notice Congress. The SCOTUS paid for.
Great thread!
Thanks!
Ha, I post pics, cause I like pics. sometimes I do it to piss off the masses.
Ha!
cui bono
(19,926 posts)So when you are remembering that there is another human being on the other end of the kb - or however you phrased it in your OP - you are picturing them being angry because of something you posted.
I thought your OP was all about being nice to others? You never did answer but I'll take this as you saying that you only need to be nice to people who agree with you or who have a disability. And the latter might be in question, since you have no idea if you are pissing off someone who has a disability. If, in fact, you are even actually pissing anyone off at all. Most of the people you think this might piss off are well above that sort of thing. They are actually here discussing real issues and policy.
So that makes you feel good, to think you are pissing people off. Wow. So much for your OP.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)the same as the POTUS if we expect better results.
Hi Rex!
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Apply liberally to the outrage...
Okay, says the benighted ones, but Fast and Furious! Umbrella Gate! Benghazi! Email gate (wait, those two are someone else), and, uh, ANWAR, Keystone!
All the GOP media said so! We have a lot invested in books and articles and outrage! It pays the rent! We refuse to listen to your debunking and read blue links!
*Just thought you might need the comic relief before TSTF...*
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)I did need some comic relief, I love you freshwest.
Cha
(296,849 posts)Thank you!
freshwest
(53,661 posts)libodem
(19,288 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Shame on those yelling "shame".
Shame for what? Consistency?
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)Regardless of President Obama's accomplishments, the Trans-Pacific Partnership will destroy American democracy, and, as far as I am concerned, that means it will destroy America. It will destroy many of these same accomplishments that the writer of the piece justifiably lauds.
That is how easily one dares to say it. It isn't very hard for those us us who believe in telling the truth to the best of one's ability. By the way, I am a Democrat and not at all ashamed to say that I oppose this agreement because it will destroy America.
The verbiage that accompanies the OP was not written by sheshe2. She simply copied the page off The Obama Diary website. It's simply cheer leading and sophistry, which wouldn't bother me if it hadn't attacked those who oppose the TPP, including Senator Warren and shamed them opposing the President's proposal. The sophist says that the TPP will not destroy America, but doesn't tell his readers what it will do to help America or why those who say it will are wrong.
So let me at least say how it will destroy America. The TPP establishes an Investeor-State Dispute Settlement (ISDS) system that will be used by corporations concerned about costly regulations. A three member tribunal of corporate shysters will decide if the investors' case warrants sanctions against the state. The proceedings are secret, but the tribunal will have the authority to order the offending state to reimburse to corporation for unrealized profits due to the regulations passed by democratic governments. That can run into a pretty piece of change that the state's taxpayers will be providing.
If that hasn't sunk into you yet, let me summarize it this way: an unelected panel of corporate attorneys will meet in secret, hear evidence in secret and will be expected to give an unbiased (remember, when they're not on leave to do work on an ISDS tribunal, they're defending corporations in court) decision that could cost taxpayers billions. It is an end run around a democratically elected government.
All that stuff that the President has done that the sophist who wrote the the piece in The Obama Diary that finds it way to the OP claims is so great for the environment and his efforts to fight climate change is at risk under this arrangement. Likewise minimum wage increases. Likewise protections for labor unions. Likewise public health. Anything that any of out greedy, slimy corporations think costs them too much money can be challenged to the TPP's ISDS and stopped without any elected representative being able to do anything about it.
Trade Promotion Authority (TPA), also called Fast Track, will put an end to any discussion in Congress about the TPP. There will limited debate with members of the House and Senate unable to offer any amendment to the agreement. It all culminates in a straight up or down vote. Our founding fathers put more thought into writing the Constitution. If we're going to yield sovereign power to make our laws to an unelected tribunal of corporate shysters, then we should at least have good, hearty debate on the matter.
There is another troubling point about the TPP: the secrecy that shrouds the agreement. Our representatives in Congress are forbidden from discussing it in public. The secrecy is being directed at you and me, We, the People. This is wrong. The discussion that shouldn't be happening is discussion in Congress about scheduling a vote. There should be no vote at all on the TPP unless and until the agreement is made public. I can't imagine what is in a trade agreement that would require this level of secrecy. This, too, should ring the alarms.
It isn't our duty to support the President when he's pushing a bad, undemocratic trade deal whose provisions dismantle democracy and sell out our national sovereignty. We didn't support the last President when he prosecuted a ginned up war for oil and we're not going to support the TPP. Our duty is to oppose the trade agreement now, and to rip it to shreds with a campaign of mass civil disobedience if it passes.
Shame on anyone who says our duty to the leader and not to our nation.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)If only it were true. And if the dispute resolution mechanism is such a burden on signatory states the don't have to sign on and so far they haven't. Anyway these straight-from-Democracy-now tales of terror round the bed are pretty funny so please proceed governor.
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)Gotta go.
Lol~
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)I thanked him for dropping by to let us know.
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)yet~
This President hates us. He will destroy us all. It has been his plan all along.
Love you ucrdem.
Some here just have the need for smelling salts..............
Ain't that the truth!
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)If not, I'd like to hear your interpretation of this interview:
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ucrdem
(15,512 posts)that someone needs to explain to Senator Warren that she's a Democrat now and she's running against Mrs Clinton, not the president, as she seems to keep forgetting that fact.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)What are Ms. Maddow and Senator Warren talking about, if not tha fact that the text to the TPP is secret and that no member of Congress can make it public after reading it?
Another question is why the secrecy? Chew on that one for a while.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)But I think it's pretty extreme to say it will destroy American democracy and America itself.
Slavery, The Civil War, The Great Depression, Jim Crow, Watergate, Trickle-down economics, those were all pretty trying to our country.
May I kindly suggest that you read some of the proponents views on TPP? Many say that the tribunals aren't anything new to trade deals, nor is the secrecy leading up to public discussion.
I still oppose it until I see it. But I think right now unions and Warren, bless them both, are overstating their case. But like I've said, I still currently oppose it.
treestar
(82,383 posts)yeah, exactly, that is what President Obama is after.
Sounds like a right winger.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Because only a Republican would oppose my President on this!
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)Lol~
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Hey, check this out:
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)200+ reliable troll recs notwithstanding.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Best President in my lifetime.
In my humble opinion, one of the five best Presidents in American history.
Steered the country away from the biggest economic catastrophe since the Great Depression. Spearheaded the biggest health care reform in American history. Got us out of two wars. Did not start any wars. Pro-environment. Helped save the auto industry while helping American tax payers profit from the deal. Withdrew support for pipeline, thinking of his daughters and all Americans' young children. Restored diplomacy as a first resort. Supported & helped pass some of the most important social legislation since the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act. Oversaw a complete shift in national and local thinking and acceptance of gay marriage and gays in the military. Pushed progressive causes despite vehement Congressional opposition (even in his first two years of his first term when the opposition from democrats was to his right not to his left). Less corruption in his entire Administration that perhaps in any other Administration in American history. Maintained a phenomenal demeanor while being the smartest person in the room, and the wittiest, most compassionate and sincere. Made the word progressive a positive. Introduced the ideas of free community college and reducing or eliminating student loans. Never gave up hope and change. Proved his detractors wrong, over and over and over. His positive effect on younger generations will be felt forever. And there's more to come.
I'm only scratching the surface. This is just off the top of my head. Just adding my two cents to sheshe2's awesome thread.
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)after leaving office. Some of his loudest detractors today might be singing a different tune in the future as a different president struggles to satisfy them while trying to work with Congress.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)However, TPP would like a word with you out back.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)will be directly related to who is elected next. If the next president is a republican, I believe Obama will be seen as many of the past presidents are seen. If it is a democrat, he could go down as great. Really does depend on a lot of factors. I talk to very few people today who don't have a positive view of Nixon. One of the most conservative people I know claims that Carter was the last honest man to be president. So many variables. Most are simply thought of as someone who held office with positive and negative attributes.
ismnotwasm
(41,967 posts)Faux pas
(14,645 posts)too bad the tpp will be the last thing he's remembered for.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)Cha
(296,849 posts)Elizabeth Warren has to say about it.
sheshe2
(83,654 posts)Awesome Cha!
Cha
(296,849 posts)Show us the bill!
Why is it secret!?
This is NAFTA 2!!
Everyone agrees that no one has seen anything of the deal aside from the summary. And, in perusing the summary, I dont see anything which approaches an excuse for the Gotterdammerung levels of hysteria.
Its being negotiated in secret! It must be bad!
Name me one treaty which has been negotiated live on C-SPAN.
NAFTA was awful, so all trade pacts are awful!
This is a very parochial view. Without growing trade, the economy wont grow. And NAFTA provides lessons in how not to forge a trade pact, which Pres. Obama is following.
There are no wage/labor/environmental protections!
Thats just false. The summary shows this. You can only believe this if you, without evidence, assume the summary is false propaganda.
And that last point leads into the meat of the essay.
Obama must be lying. Hes sold us out. Hes the corporatist we always knew he was.
Pres. Obama has operated under a handicap for the 6 and a half years of his presidency.
No, Im not talking about him being the nations first African-American president. There is that. But Ive come to realize thats not his largest handicap.
No, Im referring to the almost messianic hopes pinned on his presidency.
Yes, his campaign and governing themes have been hope and change. But I defy anyone to point to me where he says I am the hope, or I am the change.
People heard the words hope and change and zoned out after that, without listening to the full message. You are the hope. You are the change.
Nothing is easy. Pres. Obama didnt promise a path laid with primroses. He emphasized that nothing changes without struggle, without sweat. But Americans, being Americans, pinned all their hopes on a magical being. And when life, being what it is, turned out to be much messier than they had envisioned, they turned on a dime and blamed Pres. Obama.
He betrayed us! Theres no change, no hope!
"hattip:http://theobamadiary.com/2015/04/24/after-all-this-has-he-earned-nothing/
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sheshe2
(83,654 posts)I had already been working on an Appreciation thread based on LL's Op. I am so sick of the crap here tonight.
This was awesome Cha!
Cha
(296,849 posts)beyond pissed, too.
Thanks.. see ya on that thread.
still_one
(92,061 posts)everything he does? Of course not
NaturalHigh
(12,778 posts)"Look in my eyes, what do you see?
The cult of personality..."
napkinz
(17,199 posts)LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)And depending upon how far future right-wing administrations take his policies (prosecuting whistleblowers, killing Americans with drones), possibly the man who opened Pandora's box.
I fear more for our future now than when Bush left office. At least then the left was energized to change things, ie hope and change. Now we've been decimated with the realization that these issues can't be changed by voting.