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sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 08:35 PM Apr 2015

President Barack Obama: A Phenomenal President That History Will Remember Well


President Barack Obama addresses an Organizing for Action (OFA) summit in Washington



A powerful speech full of facts. Shame on the Democrats fundraising against President Obama. That includes you, Sen. Elizabeth Warren. He has proven himself over and over and over again. He brought us back from the brink of a depression and saved the economy; which has been creating jobs month after month. Over 16 million people have comprehensive and affordable insurance thanks to him. He saved the auto industry. He has been a champion for the environment. He put two women on the Supreme Court. He fought for credit card and Wall Street Reform. The first bill he signed was the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act into law. He cut taxes for over 98% of middle and working class families. He is proposing free community college. He increased Pell Grants for millions of students. He reformed the student loan program. He righted the wrong of the crack cocaine and powder cocaine sentencing laws. He created an effective and comprehensive task force to curb the surge of police violence against citizens. He has put money into job training so that millions can have a better future. He has made sure Native Americans have a seat at the table and have a hand in creating policies that protect and make sure their communities flourish. He has been fighting for economic fairness and against income inequality years before these so called Democrats considered it an issue. He has fought for LGBT rights. What more must he do to prove that he is ALWAYS and has ALWAYS been on the side of working, middle class, and marginalized folks?




Shame on any Democrat who distances himself or herself from President Barack Obama. Shame on any Democrat saying this trade agreement would destroy America. That includes you, Sen. Warren. He campaigned hard for her. That he has to defend himself like this is abhorrent. Shame on them. They are not fit to shine his shoes. He has been a phenomenal president and history will remember him well.

More Here http://theobamadiary.com/2015/04/23/president-barack-obama-a-phenomenal-president-that-history-will-remember-well/

Yet....What more must he do to prove that he is ALWAYS and has ALWAYS been on the side of working, middle class, and marginalized folks?
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President Barack Obama: A Phenomenal President That History Will Remember Well (Original Post) sheshe2 Apr 2015 OP
Don't get mad at DU, it's a very niche group. JaneyVee Apr 2015 #1
Edited.... sheshe2 Apr 2015 #3
He will be remembered as a good President but not as a great one. yourout Apr 2015 #2
I disagree. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #4
What is ttp? craigmatic Apr 2015 #20
Fat fingered....fixed. yourout Apr 2015 #22
ok what's tpp? craigmatic Apr 2015 #45
The Trans-Pacific Partnership lovemydog Apr 2015 #66
The latest outrage du jour for DU's outrage addicts LordGlenconner Apr 2015 #113
Sorry but this one is personal.....I saw first hand the damage NAFTA, GAT, and... yourout Apr 2015 #140
Maybe by some, but by most, he'll be remembered as one of the best and most BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #26
Sadly, we do know why. BlueCaliDem. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #36
Two words: McCain/Palin..... underahedgerow Apr 2015 #96
A very good President, not a great one. Yorktown Apr 2015 #92
Greatness will be determined after he leaves office still_one Apr 2015 #133
You should be on Fox News Tommy2Tone Apr 2015 #130
No...not even close. yourout Apr 2015 #139
In time he will be seen as one of our greatest Presidents madokie Apr 2015 #5
madokie. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #7
The love goes both ways She madokie Apr 2015 #10
That's already happening now, madokie - despite the howling from the BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #34
mindless worship and adulation for the self-proclaimed "moderate republican"? he's got some msongs Apr 2015 #6
He never called himself that,but if a two-word sound-bite floats your boat, who am I to disabuse you Hekate Apr 2015 #9
Obama realizes he's basically a 1980's Republican; why don't you believe him? MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #90
Just like Al Gore is alleged to have claimed he "invented the Internet" out of context quotes... Hekate Apr 2015 #98
Feel free to provide more context. MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #100
Whatever for? You're an old poster of more than 31,000 posts, not a newbie needing info. Hekate Apr 2015 #106
Or, you're making things up. MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #109
Goad away. Bye for now. Hekate Apr 2015 #110
Well Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #99
No, it was our President who said that. MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #101
Out of context, of course Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #102
Help us out here... MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #104
Did you agree with Reagan? Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #107
One step at a time. You made an accusation, let's work that out. MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #108
I made an an observation Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #111
I posted the video, too. MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #114
What a load Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #115
I find it highly amusing that you make little vomit-glyphs for MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #117
Sure you do Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #118
Yep, to the minds of certain special folks here "I would be CONSIDERED a moderate Republican" Number23 Apr 2015 #124
Speaking of the easily foolable Bobbie Jo Apr 2015 #129
Says "page can't be displayed" but it's probably the lappers of all things Kucinich, huh? Number23 Apr 2015 #131
Talk about a load. cui bono Apr 2015 #121
Oh yes he did. cui bono Apr 2015 #120
ROFLMAO. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #12
Do you know how and why he said that? lovemydog Apr 2015 #74
Why so level headed and frank? Sheepshank Apr 2015 #141
Oh fuck it is religion now. Wow. JanMichael Apr 2015 #8
Maybe you're taking the op a bit out of context? JaneyVee Apr 2015 #14
No. JanMichael Apr 2015 #17
Yeah. You actually are. eom BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #27
No I am not. eom. JanMichael Apr 2015 #29
Whatever helps you sleep at night, Jan. eom BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #31
Idols do not but life itself does. Get a grip. eom. JanMichael Apr 2015 #33
I'm not the one between you and I who is losing it here. BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #35
Ha. You are too cute. Concern is not "losing it". Toodleseom. JanMichael Apr 2015 #37
Question? sheshe2 Apr 2015 #49
Thanks for your 'concern'. lovemydog Apr 2015 #76
Well~ sheshe2 Apr 2015 #39
Yeah, you are. "religion"?! Good grief, the President has supporters on DU and get accused of Cha Apr 2015 #138
Religion!? sheshe2 Apr 2015 #25
I doubt you would. I cannot believe the LC lyrics didn't strike a nerve. JanMichael Apr 2015 #28
K~ sheshe2 Apr 2015 #40
You're supposed to stack up all of President Obama's accomplishments lovemydog Apr 2015 #77
Sheshe, I was hoping to be in before the onslaught. Only one piece of heartfelt advice, sistah.... Hekate Apr 2015 #11
Hey sweets. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #16
Fan clubs don't tend to last longer than 5 years after celebs working career is over n/t betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #13
Jimmy Carter rocks. Scurrilous Apr 2015 #15
KnR sheshe2 Apr 2015 #18
+1 Hekate Apr 2015 #19
Great response! greatauntoftriplets Apr 2015 #23
Jimmy Carter has supporters who believe in his ideas betterdemsonly Apr 2015 #24
Ya know~ sheshe2 Apr 2015 #47
Perfect mcar Apr 2015 #42
+100 MineralMan Apr 2015 #95
Sorry, your ignorance is showing when you get on here and insult Pres Obama and his supporters Cha Apr 2015 #44
Have I told you how much I love you, Cha. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #51
Always good to "hear", she, from such a Cha Apr 2015 #55
Cha... sheshe2 Apr 2015 #57
I know and I hate that this is happening.. There's a lot of Cha Apr 2015 #58
I think it's good that she is supporting the unions in her State. lovemydog Apr 2015 #78
Always like your "2 cents" lovemydog.. you're so diplomatic.. Cha Apr 2015 #82
Wasn't there someone else who attacked Obama with a similar "celebrity" meme? NYC Liberal Apr 2015 #112
Oh yeah, a RWing talking point.. Ooooops! Cha Apr 2015 #123
The Beatles are still popular with lots of younger people I've met. lovemydog Apr 2015 #79
You're probably right about "fan clubs". NanceGreggs Apr 2015 #86
I may not agree with everything he's done, but YES he sure has been a great president napkinz Apr 2015 #21
Yes! nt sheshe2 Apr 2015 #38
Thank you napkinz! Cha Apr 2015 #46
The question I'd like answered, sheshe, is...why the rage against TPP and not the TTIP? BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #30
Blue Cali... sheshe2 Apr 2015 #53
You're welcome, sheshe. BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #59
Very good point. treestar Apr 2015 #88
Hey, BlueCaliDem~ sheshe2 Apr 2015 #122
I just might do that, sheshe. :-) BlueCaliDem Apr 2015 #142
Thanks for posting 4now Apr 2015 #32
Agree. lovemydog Apr 2015 #81
Yes, Obama is a "Phenomenal President"! Thank you Nerdy Wonka for writing your OP and Mahalo Cha Apr 2015 #41
Agreed. Nt stevenleser Apr 2015 #43
He doesn't have a single thing to prove, if he felt like he did not earn the NPP Rex Apr 2015 #48
Hey Rex~ sheshe2 Apr 2015 #56
"Ha, I post pics, cause I like pics. sometimes I do it to piss off the masses" cui bono Apr 2015 #119
+1 We must treat congressional elections lovemydog Apr 2015 #83
'But, but!' Obama is... *sputter, sputter*... Evil! Just like this one before... freshwest Apr 2015 #50
Thank you.... sheshe2 Apr 2015 #62
Perfect, fresh.. EarlG Got It. So did Putin.. Cha Apr 2015 #65
And that was ALL we got out of Libya and Syria. They wouldn't sign on, were either killing or were freshwest Apr 2015 #80
Yesiree Bob! libodem Apr 2015 #52
I think History will look back on Obama as more quietly transformative than he gets credit for, now. Warren DeMontague Apr 2015 #54
Shame. Bonobo Apr 2015 #60
Let me say this loudly and clearly Jack Rabbit Apr 2015 #61
" Our representatives in Congress are forbidden from discussing it in public"? ucrdem Apr 2015 #63
To tired to comment on then thread above yoursl sheshe2 Apr 2015 #67
It seems the President has a new plan to destroy America. ucrdem Apr 2015 #69
I do need to hit the pillow...... sheshe2 Apr 2015 #71
LOL ucrdem Apr 2015 #73
It is true Jack Rabbit Apr 2015 #68
I think ucrdem Apr 2015 #72
That's not an answer to the question Jack Rabbit Apr 2015 #75
I currently oppose it Jack Rabbit. lovemydog Apr 2015 #85
your first sentence is so over the top treestar Apr 2015 #87
Boom! sheshe2 Apr 2015 #125
You must be a Republican. MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #91
Here ya go Mr Manny~ sheshe2 Apr 2015 #94
I guess Hillary's not the only one kissing up to Warren MannyGoldstein Apr 2015 #97
Yes he is. ucrdem Apr 2015 #64
Best progressive President in my lifetime. lovemydog Apr 2015 #70
Thank you lovingmydog. sheshe2 Apr 2015 #126
He won't be more widely appreciated until Jamaal510 Apr 2015 #84
I'm sure you're already on the NSA's Nice list, so maybe dial it back a little. Orsino Apr 2015 #89
I believe how he will go down in history..... NCTraveler Apr 2015 #93
K&R ismnotwasm Apr 2015 #103
Yep Faux pas Apr 2015 #105
Couldn't agree more, my dear she. It's just sad that we have to wait for that recognition. Tarheel_Dem Apr 2015 #116
And, the President is Fighting for the most Progressive Trade Deal in history.. I don't care what Cha Apr 2015 #127
Thank you so much for posting this! sheshe2 Apr 2015 #128
UR Welcome.. I should have posted the link.. "After All This Has He Earned Nothing" and more.. Cha Apr 2015 #134
When you posted this.... sheshe2 Apr 2015 #135
Oh good!.. and I am Cha Apr 2015 #137
Assuming this is not sarcasm, I agree with you. Does that me I agree with still_one Apr 2015 #132
Nothing like a little image polishing on a Friday night. NaturalHigh Apr 2015 #136
... napkinz Apr 2015 #143
He will be remembered as average at best LittleBlue Apr 2015 #144

yourout

(7,524 posts)
2. He will be remembered as a good President but not as a great one.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 08:44 PM
Apr 2015

His unwillingness to take on the banksters and the Bush cabal are to big to overlook.

On edit....the long term damage from TPP could wipe out pretty much all the good will people currently have for him.

2nd edit....fixed typo.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
66. The Trans-Pacific Partnership
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 12:58 AM
Apr 2015

The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) is a proposed regional regulatory and investment treaty. As of 2014, twelve countries throughout the Asia-Pacific region have participated in negotiations on the TPP: Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore, the United States, and Vietnam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Partnership

yourout

(7,524 posts)
140. Sorry but this one is personal.....I saw first hand the damage NAFTA, GAT, and...
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 09:24 PM
Apr 2015

the other so called Free Trade Agreements caused.

It hit me and a lot of people I know pretty hard in the wallet.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
26. Maybe by some, but by most, he'll be remembered as one of the best and most
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 09:27 PM
Apr 2015

transformational presidents of modern times.

For others, he'll never do enough to even be considered mediocre but we all know why.

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
36. Sadly, we do know why. BlueCaliDem.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 09:51 PM
Apr 2015

You know and I know, yet tonight I won't say it because people love to give me a hide when I do. My last hide fades away tomorrow night.

It was from my Op that everyone matters.

underahedgerow

(1,232 posts)
96. Two words: McCain/Palin.....
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 10:05 AM
Apr 2015

Just imagine where we would be today had they 'won' the office.

I can't even begin to lend a thought to the unspeakable horrors we would have had to witness.

Ugh, gives me the serious creeps!!!!!!!! Yikes!!!!!

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
92. A very good President, not a great one.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 07:42 AM
Apr 2015

He was served with a lousy hand: the 2007-8 Great Recession, unemployment up, the Iraq/Afghan mess and the ensuing deficit dug by GW.

He managed to smooth the waters of recession and unemployment, drew down the Iraq/Afghan quagmires, helped promote free trade with the TPP and introduced the Affordable Care Act. Mighty achievements.

The failings: QE overspending, leading to a continuation of unsustainable deficits. Did not start to lean of the Arab regimes supporting terror. And radicalization of the Russian dictatorship could have been avoided by negotiating over an Ukrainian controlled schedule.

But I guess comments are easier to make than to get all this done.

So, all in all, a very good report card.

yourout

(7,524 posts)
139. No...not even close.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 09:21 PM
Apr 2015

I like Obama and think he is a good man but my bar for greatness is much higher than yours.

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
7. madokie.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 08:54 PM
Apr 2015

I wavered posting this in the BOG or GD. I said to hell with it, this goes in GD on a Democratic board. Hey, I have been flamed before.

Love you madokie.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
34. That's already happening now, madokie - despite the howling from the
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 09:47 PM
Apr 2015

always-wrong Right and those on the far-Left who don't like him for whatever reason they can conjure, he's already seen as one of our greatest presidents.

Having won both of his elections with over 51% of the vote says as much.

msongs

(67,361 posts)
6. mindless worship and adulation for the self-proclaimed "moderate republican"? he's got some
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 08:51 PM
Apr 2015

good qualities but new messiah is not one of them IMO

Hekate

(90,560 posts)
9. He never called himself that,but if a two-word sound-bite floats your boat, who am I to disabuse you
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 08:57 PM
Apr 2015

...of your fantasy?

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
90. Obama realizes he's basically a 1980's Republican; why don't you believe him?
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 07:23 AM
Apr 2015

"The truth of the matter is that my policies are so mainstream that if I had set the same policies that I had back in the 1980s, I would be considered a moderate Republican,"

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/272957-obama-says-his-economic-policies-so-mainstream-hed-be-seen-as-moderate-republican-in-1980s

Fiscally, he's to the right of Reagan.

Hekate

(90,560 posts)
98. Just like Al Gore is alleged to have claimed he "invented the Internet" out of context quotes...
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 11:34 AM
Apr 2015

....are such fun, aren't they Manny?

Hekate

(90,560 posts)
106. Whatever for? You're an old poster of more than 31,000 posts, not a newbie needing info.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 12:15 PM
Apr 2015

You know what you're doing; you can find you way through the forest of information technology.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
109. Or, you're making things up.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 12:21 PM
Apr 2015

I guess any readers of this thread will have to decide for themselves.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
101. No, it was our President who said that.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 11:50 AM
Apr 2015

Was that unclear?

While Elizabeth Warren, I, and some other *were* 1980s Republicans and realized we were wrong, our President is currently claiming that he still is a 1980s Republican. Do you agree with our President that Ronald Reagan's policies were basically the way to go?

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
102. Out of context, of course
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 11:58 AM
Apr 2015

Wading through the mass of strawmen in that post...

Let me ask you, did you agree with Reagan? Seems you're the one in this discussion who actually voted for him.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
108. One step at a time. You made an accusation, let's work that out.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 12:20 PM
Apr 2015

Then I'll be happy to answer your question.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
111. I made an an observation
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 12:40 PM
Apr 2015

about taking one line from an interview and
applying your predicable spin to it. This particular tidbit has been "worked through" ad nauseam.

Again, considering you're the only one in this discussion who actually voted for Reagan, I made the additional observation that you would know from Reagonite thinking on the matter.

I'm not jumping through your diversionary hoops over your interpretation of this sound bite. It's been done to death, and that you continue to hold it up as some kind of AHAH!!11 moment is just silly.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
114. I posted the video, too.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 12:56 PM
Apr 2015

Seems pretty clear.

The President currently aligns himself with Ronald Reagan's policies, and your accusation that his words were taken out of context is clearly false.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
115. What a load
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 01:18 PM
Apr 2015

Like I said, people can draw their own conclusions without your assistance.

I just find it deeply ironic that you, of all people, would reach for the Reagan comparisons without batting an eye.

I have no use for Reaganites, particularly the holier than thou types.


 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
117. I find it highly amusing that you make little vomit-glyphs for
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 03:52 PM
Apr 2015

people who favored Republican policies 30 years ago, but no longer do... yet are tremendously fond of a person who claims that he currently favors those same policies.

If I didn't know better... nah, never mind.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
118. Sure you do
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 03:58 PM
Apr 2015

Nah, nevermind indeed.

Keep piling it on, your audience awaits.

What a load. Fuck Reagan and his enablers.

eta: you can underline your words until your fingers fall off, but your emphasis doesn't make those words any more accurate. Considering the source...





Number23

(24,544 posts)
124. Yep, to the minds of certain special folks here "I would be CONSIDERED a moderate Republican"
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 08:12 PM
Apr 2015

by presumably the uninformed masses is the same thing as saying "hey y'all, I AM a moderate Republican."

So not worth the time or trouble. And as you said, that old canard has been debunked, rebunked and then debunked again so many times it is beyond obvious that anyone that trots it out now is trying to fool the easily foolable.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
121. Talk about a load.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 05:38 PM
Apr 2015

The video is right there. I just posted if for someone else who claimed he never likened himself to a moderate Republican.

The denial of facts on here is astounding.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
120. Oh yes he did.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 05:30 PM
Apr 2015


You can google or search my posts for lots more links to him saying it - I've had to let plenty of his fans know about it. Talk about fantasy...

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
12. ROFLMAO.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 09:00 PM
Apr 2015

I never called him a new messiah, now did I?

You on the other hand intimated...

mindless worship and adulation for the self-proclaimed "moderate republican"? he's got some
good qualities but new messiah is not one of them IMO


That those that support him are mindless worshipers. We mindlessly adore. Way to go msongs! Way to go!

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
74. Do you know how and why he said that?
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 01:30 AM
Apr 2015

I'm pretty sure he said that in the context of fighting for something that conservative democrats and all republicans were opposing. That what he was proposing was merely something that a moderate republican during the Eisenhower era would have supported. You know, the Eisenhower era when from what I've read, the highest marginal tax rate on personal income was over 80%. Now it's down around 34%. So, I'm pretty sure he said that from a standpoint of urging something more progressive.

As for the messiah comment, I've never seen anyone here call him a messiah. Frankly I find that to be a right wing meme that also doesn't seem to die.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
141. Why so level headed and frank?
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 09:32 PM
Apr 2015

One would think you aren't buying the clap trap, and out of context noodling a few on this thread are trying to push lol

JanMichael

(24,873 posts)
8. Oh fuck it is religion now. Wow.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 08:54 PM
Apr 2015

I actually like President Obama (compared to the total corporatist he is decent guy) but unchecked idolization seems somehow childish and weird.

Remember Living Colour? That's what I hear in your OP:

Look in my eyes, what do you see?
The Cult of Personality
I know your anger
I know your dreams
I've been everything you want to be
I'm the Cult of Personality
Like Mussolini and Kennedy
I'm the Cult of Personality
The Cult of Personality
The Cult of Personality
Neon lights, a Nobel Prize
When a mirror speaks, the reflection lies
You won't have to follow me
Only you can set me free
I sell the things you need to be
I'm the smiling face on your TV
I'm the Cult of Personality
I exploit you
Still you love me
I tell you one and one makes three
I'm the Cult of Personality
Like Joseph Stalin and Gandhi
I'm the Cult of Personality

EDIT: And I am a total Socialist too. Go figure.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
35. I'm not the one between you and I who is losing it here.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 09:48 PM
Apr 2015

I suggest you take your own, um, sage advice.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
76. Thanks for your 'concern'.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 01:39 AM
Apr 2015

I know the difference between religion and respecting a President's accomplishments in spite of, not because of, vehement opposition from both the right and the left.

Cha

(296,849 posts)
138. Yeah, you are. "religion"?! Good grief, the President has supporters on DU and get accused of
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 09:06 PM
Apr 2015

"religion" and whatever else just because we appreciate what all he has accomplished since he's been in office.

I laugh at your accusations.

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
25. Religion!?
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 09:19 PM
Apr 2015


Okay, that's what you read here. Got it. I guess, I think?! Wait, what???? I have no clue where you are coming from. Thanks for the laugh.

JanMichael

(24,873 posts)
28. I doubt you would. I cannot believe the LC lyrics didn't strike a nerve.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 09:30 PM
Apr 2015

They do with me because I and a hard Lefty and even I get the weird idolization reflected in images, font, heightened defensiveness, and general gushing.

I understand why you do not understand my comment.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
77. You're supposed to stack up all of President Obama's accomplishments
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 01:45 AM
Apr 2015

Last edited Fri Apr 24, 2015, 02:16 AM - Edit history (1)

against Living Colour lyrics, and take a strong stance in favor of the rock band.

Hekate

(90,560 posts)
11. Sheshe, I was hoping to be in before the onslaught. Only one piece of heartfelt advice, sistah....
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 08:59 PM
Apr 2015

Do not, repeat do not, rise to the bait. We need you here.

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
16. Hey sweets.
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 09:06 PM
Apr 2015

Thank you Hekate. Will remain calm or ignore them in my mind, 'cause I see all that is said. I have no one on ignore.

I so love ya sista!

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
47. Ya know~
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 10:40 PM
Apr 2015

You have no clue about his supporters at all. You call them fans Are we stupid mindless groupies>

So just to piss you off here is a picture, or two of his awesomeness.











I so love this.



Wow, you said this. I can't believe it. Obama is an image to us? We are just stupid fans of a perceived idol. This President lacks depth and intellect as do his supporters.

Jimmy Carter has supporters who believe in his ideas
not fans who like his image.

'
Holy..................Dear goddess save us all. We can't have fun for one moment? We are not allowed to celebrate this President?





Cha

(296,849 posts)
44. Sorry, your ignorance is showing when you get on here and insult Pres Obama and his supporters
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 10:26 PM
Apr 2015

by calling him a celeb and his supporters fans.

Cha

(296,849 posts)
55. Always good to "hear", she, from such a
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 11:18 PM
Apr 2015

loving person as yourself.

Mahalo for posting this, she.. This dustup with Sen Warren has been on my mind all day since I read this ..

Elizabeth Warren is Not Telling the Truth About The Trans-Pacific Partnership Trade Deal

snip//

More precisely, President Obama is telling the truth about the deal, and Senator Warren is not. Since the TPP deal is still under negotiation, the merits of the final agreement are (or will be) debatable, but the deceptive rhetoric being employed by Warren is not.

snip//

"This is not a new phenomenon, and one which Sen. Warren seems to understand in the context of the P5+1 talks. When she is shocked, SHOCKED that the TPP deal isn’t available for public viewing while it is still being negotiated, she is not telling you the truth. She knows that the reason the deal isn’t available while it’s being negotiated is, right or wrong, because public pressure could, at any point, derail a flawed but fixable agreement. The reason she gives, however, is quite literally unbelievable:

Why? Here’s the real answer people have given me: “We can’t make this deal public because if the American people saw what was in it, they would be opposed to it.”

Seriously, Sen. Warren? “People” have given it to you? Way to narrow it down, because I was going to go away convinced you’d been advised by hoot owls, who are notorious liars. Why the secrecy, though? If these “people” are so sure TPP is a horrible deal, why can’t we talk to them? Can other people besides you see them?

Senator Warren calls TPP a “top secret” deal, she’s not telling you the truth. Any member of Congress can see it now, and before Congress votes on it, the final deal will be posted online for 60 days. What we can see now is the USTR summary of the deal, which, granted, isn’t the deal, but it isn’t nothing.

Finally, when Senator Warren says that the TPA bill leaves us “virtually no ability to stop it from the Senate or the House,” or concern-trolls about “fixing” a final deal through an amendments process that TPA shuts off, she’s not telling you the truth. The final deal, after its 60-day public review period, will receive an up-or-down vote, which means Congress can quite easily stop the deal. It just means that a minority in Congress can’t obstruct the deal. Ditto the amendments, which would not be a way to “fix” a final deal since the other 11 nations involved would also insist on that authority, irreparably gumming up the negotiations. Amendments, in this case, are a way to obstruct a final deal. See “nuclear deal, Iran” once again."

MOre..
http://thedailybanter.com/2015/04/elizabeth-warren-is-not-telling-the-truth-about-the-trans-pacific-partnership-trade-deal/

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
57. Cha...
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 11:37 PM
Apr 2015

She is my Senator, yet I don't like this either,

Finally, when Senator Warren says that the TPA bill leaves us “virtually no ability to stop it from the Senate or the House,” or concern-trolls about “fixing” a final deal through an amendments process that TPA shuts off, she’s not telling you the truth.The final deal, after its 60-day public review period, will receive an up-or-down vote, which means Congress can quite easily stop the deal. It just means that a minority in Congress can’t obstruct the deal. Ditto the amendments, which would not be a way to “fix” a final deal since the other 11 nations involved would also insist on that authority, irreparably gumming up the negotiations. Amendments, in this case, are a way to obstruct a final deal. See “nuclear deal, Iran” once again."


Me, I am sticking with the adult in the room with the level head,. He has not proved me wrong yet.

Cha

(296,849 posts)
58. I know and I hate that this is happening.. There's a lot of
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 11:48 PM
Apr 2015

good coming from Sen Warren but this disingenuous red meat rhetoric is not helping.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
78. I think it's good that she is supporting the unions in her State.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 01:52 AM
Apr 2015

I think Senator Warren and President Obama get along fine.

Even if Warren's comments do nothing more than stick up for unions and / or her constituents in Massachusetts, I think it's healthy debate. Also I think her comments will push the President and Congress to make it more available to the public and potentially more helpful for American workers.

The real liars are the right wing. On the big issues like taxing the top 2%, war, gay rights, tons of huge stuff.

Just my two cents. Hope you're good Cha! Aloha!

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
86. You're probably right about "fan clubs".
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 03:31 AM
Apr 2015

But those who campaigned for, donated to, and supported this President throughout his remarkable tenure in office are not "fans" - we are citizens grateful for his leadership, and appreciative of his accomplishments.

How incredibly sad that you apparently don't know the difference between the two.

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
21. I may not agree with everything he's done, but YES he sure has been a great president
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 09:13 PM
Apr 2015

I am listening to both sides on TPP. I have to admit, much of the talk is beyond my ken. So I won't speak about that which I am still in the process of trying to understand.

But the subject line nails it: President Barack Obama: A Phenomenal President That History Will Remember Well







BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
30. The question I'd like answered, sheshe, is...why the rage against TPP and not the TTIP?
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 09:37 PM
Apr 2015

Both are the same trade deals only with different parts of the globe.

The TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership) is being negotiated between the U.S. and Asian and South and Central American countries.

The TTIP (Transatlantic Trade Investment Partnership) is being negotiated between the U.S. and the European Union.

So why do I hear Senator Warren, Sanders, and Rep. Grayson, exclusively, loudly wailing against the TPP and they say next to nothing about the TTIP while both trade deals are being simultaneously negotiated?

Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
53. Blue Cali...
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 11:08 PM
Apr 2015

Interesting post.

Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (T-TIP)

The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (T-TIP) is an ambitious, comprehensive, and high-standard trade and investment agreement being negotiated between the United States and the European Union (EU). T-TIP will help unlock opportunity for American families, workers, businesses, farmers and ranchers through increased access to European markets for Made-in-America goods and services. This will help to promote U.S. international competitiveness, jobs and growth.

The U.S. and EU economies are two of the most modern, most developed, and most committed to high standards of consumer protection in the world. T-TIP aims to bolster that already strong relationship in a way that will help boost economic growth and add to the more than 13 million American and EU jobs already supported by transatlantic trade and investment. T-TIP will be a cutting edge agreement aimed at providing greater compatibility and transparency in trade and investment regulation, while maintaining high levels of health, safety, and environmental protection. T-TIP presents an extraordinary opportunity to strengthen the bond between vital strategic and economic partners.


https://ustr.gov/ttip


Hair on fire as always. Blame the president always. This one is very interesting.Sounds like we will clearly benefit here. I must read more. Thank you.

Cha

(296,849 posts)
41. Yes, Obama is a "Phenomenal President"! Thank you Nerdy Wonka for writing your OP and Mahalo
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 10:15 PM
Apr 2015

to you for posting it, she.

I don't know what this business is that Senator Warren is doing but I believe the President. They've had 1700 meetings on TTP. Congress knows what's going on. And, the Trade Deals have always been in secret but they will be shown before the final deal.. is my understanding.

"I would not be doing this trade deal if I did not think it was good for the middle class. And when you hear folks make a lot of suggestions about how bad this trade deal is, when you dig into the facts they are wrong," Obama said.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/21/politics/obama-trade-democratic-opposition/






 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
48. He doesn't have a single thing to prove, if he felt like he did not earn the NPP
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 10:44 PM
Apr 2015

then I know he has to feel it is fully earned now. Watching Congress fumble around him as he floats like a butterfly just out of reach. All their garbage about impeachment, comparing him to their god Reagan, trying to sabotage him from the very start, fucking over people that need medical care. The GOP shows now more than ever their bitter contempt for minorities and really everyone in the labor force.

Obama is a world leader, sad to say we haven't had one of those in a while in the White House. HRC or whomever (throw that in there so I don't get roasted) takes over will have 8 years to prove themselves as good. I maintain the GOPukers destroy their brand worse and worse with every election.

Shame we don't treat congressional elections the same as the POTUS. So many people fuck up and blame Obama, when they hardly ever notice Congress. The SCOTUS paid for.

Great thread!



sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
56. Hey Rex~
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 11:19 PM
Apr 2015
Shame on any Democrat who distances himself or herself from President Barack Obama. Shame on any Democrat saying this trade agreement would destroy America. That includes you, Sen. Warren. He campaigned hard for her. That he has to defend himself like this is abhorrent. Shame on them. They are not fit to shine his shoes. He has been a phenomenal president and history will remember him well.


Thanks!

Ha, I post pics, cause I like pics. sometimes I do it to piss off the masses.

Ha!



cui bono

(19,926 posts)
119. "Ha, I post pics, cause I like pics. sometimes I do it to piss off the masses"
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 05:29 PM
Apr 2015

So when you are remembering that there is another human being on the other end of the kb - or however you phrased it in your OP - you are picturing them being angry because of something you posted.

I thought your OP was all about being nice to others? You never did answer but I'll take this as you saying that you only need to be nice to people who agree with you or who have a disability. And the latter might be in question, since you have no idea if you are pissing off someone who has a disability. If, in fact, you are even actually pissing anyone off at all. Most of the people you think this might piss off are well above that sort of thing. They are actually here discussing real issues and policy.

So that makes you feel good, to think you are pissing people off. Wow. So much for your OP.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
83. +1 We must treat congressional elections
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 02:01 AM
Apr 2015

the same as the POTUS if we expect better results.

Hi Rex!

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
50. 'But, but!' Obama is... *sputter, sputter*... Evil! Just like this one before...
Thu Apr 23, 2015, 10:48 PM
Apr 2015


Apply liberally to the outrage...

Okay, says the benighted ones, but Fast and Furious! Umbrella Gate! Benghazi! Email gate (wait, those two are someone else), and, uh, ANWAR, Keystone!

All the GOP media said so! We have a lot invested in books and articles and outrage! It pays the rent! We refuse to listen to your debunking and read blue links!

*Just thought you might need the comic relief before TSTF...*

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
80. And that was ALL we got out of Libya and Syria. They wouldn't sign on, were either killing or were
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 01:57 AM
Apr 2015
threatening to kill their citizens with chemical weapons. They suddenly realized it was wrong and went along the majority of nations who quit with the CWC. Obama's focus has always been closely targeted and very narrow every time.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
61. Let me say this loudly and clearly
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 12:25 AM
Apr 2015

Regardless of President Obama's accomplishments, the Trans-Pacific Partnership will destroy American democracy, and, as far as I am concerned, that means it will destroy America. It will destroy many of these same accomplishments that the writer of the piece justifiably lauds.

That is how easily one dares to say it. It isn't very hard for those us us who believe in telling the truth to the best of one's ability. By the way, I am a Democrat and not at all ashamed to say that I oppose this agreement because it will destroy America.

The verbiage that accompanies the OP was not written by sheshe2. She simply copied the page off The Obama Diary website. It's simply cheer leading and sophistry, which wouldn't bother me if it hadn't attacked those who oppose the TPP, including Senator Warren and shamed them opposing the President's proposal. The sophist says that the TPP will not destroy America, but doesn't tell his readers what it will do to help America or why those who say it will are wrong.

So let me at least say how it will destroy America. The TPP establishes an Investeor-State Dispute Settlement (ISDS) system that will be used by corporations concerned about costly regulations. A three member tribunal of corporate shysters will decide if the investors' case warrants sanctions against the state. The proceedings are secret, but the tribunal will have the authority to order the offending state to reimburse to corporation for unrealized profits due to the regulations passed by democratic governments. That can run into a pretty piece of change that the state's taxpayers will be providing.

If that hasn't sunk into you yet, let me summarize it this way: an unelected panel of corporate attorneys will meet in secret, hear evidence in secret and will be expected to give an unbiased (remember, when they're not on leave to do work on an ISDS tribunal, they're defending corporations in court) decision that could cost taxpayers billions. It is an end run around a democratically elected government.

All that stuff that the President has done that the sophist who wrote the the piece in The Obama Diary that finds it way to the OP claims is so great for the environment and his efforts to fight climate change is at risk under this arrangement. Likewise minimum wage increases. Likewise protections for labor unions. Likewise public health. Anything that any of out greedy, slimy corporations think costs them too much money can be challenged to the TPP's ISDS and stopped without any elected representative being able to do anything about it.

Trade Promotion Authority (TPA), also called Fast Track, will put an end to any discussion in Congress about the TPP. There will limited debate with members of the House and Senate unable to offer any amendment to the agreement. It all culminates in a straight up or down vote. Our founding fathers put more thought into writing the Constitution. If we're going to yield sovereign power to make our laws to an unelected tribunal of corporate shysters, then we should at least have good, hearty debate on the matter.

There is another troubling point about the TPP: the secrecy that shrouds the agreement. Our representatives in Congress are forbidden from discussing it in public. The secrecy is being directed at you and me, We, the People. This is wrong. The discussion that shouldn't be happening is discussion in Congress about scheduling a vote. There should be no vote at all on the TPP unless and until the agreement is made public. I can't imagine what is in a trade agreement that would require this level of secrecy. This, too, should ring the alarms.

It isn't our duty to support the President when he's pushing a bad, undemocratic trade deal whose provisions dismantle democracy and sell out our national sovereignty. We didn't support the last President when he prosecuted a ginned up war for oil and we're not going to support the TPP. Our duty is to oppose the trade agreement now, and to rip it to shreds with a campaign of mass civil disobedience if it passes.

Shame on anyone who says our duty to the leader and not to our nation.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
63. " Our representatives in Congress are forbidden from discussing it in public"?
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 12:50 AM
Apr 2015


If only it were true. And if the dispute resolution mechanism is such a burden on signatory states the don't have to sign on and so far they haven't. Anyway these straight-from-Democracy-now tales of terror round the bed are pretty funny so please proceed governor.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
69. It seems the President has a new plan to destroy America.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 01:13 AM
Apr 2015

I thanked him for dropping by to let us know.

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
71. I do need to hit the pillow......
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 01:24 AM
Apr 2015

yet~

This President hates us. He will destroy us all. It has been his plan all along.

Love you ucrdem.

Some here just have the need for smelling salts..............

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
68. It is true
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 01:07 AM
Apr 2015

If not, I'd like to hear your interpretation of this interview:
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ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
72. I think
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 01:25 AM
Apr 2015

that someone needs to explain to Senator Warren that she's a Democrat now and she's running against Mrs Clinton, not the president, as she seems to keep forgetting that fact.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
75. That's not an answer to the question
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 01:35 AM
Apr 2015

What are Ms. Maddow and Senator Warren talking about, if not tha fact that the text to the TPP is secret and that no member of Congress can make it public after reading it?

Another question is why the secrecy? Chew on that one for a while.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
85. I currently oppose it Jack Rabbit.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 02:28 AM
Apr 2015

But I think it's pretty extreme to say it will destroy American democracy and America itself.

Slavery, The Civil War, The Great Depression, Jim Crow, Watergate, Trickle-down economics, those were all pretty trying to our country.

May I kindly suggest that you read some of the proponents views on TPP? Many say that the tribunals aren't anything new to trade deals, nor is the secrecy leading up to public discussion.

I still oppose it until I see it. But I think right now unions and Warren, bless them both, are overstating their case. But like I've said, I still currently oppose it.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
87. your first sentence is so over the top
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 05:43 AM
Apr 2015

yeah, exactly, that is what President Obama is after.

Sounds like a right winger.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
70. Best progressive President in my lifetime.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 01:22 AM
Apr 2015

Best President in my lifetime.

In my humble opinion, one of the five best Presidents in American history.

Steered the country away from the biggest economic catastrophe since the Great Depression. Spearheaded the biggest health care reform in American history. Got us out of two wars. Did not start any wars. Pro-environment. Helped save the auto industry while helping American tax payers profit from the deal. Withdrew support for pipeline, thinking of his daughters and all Americans' young children. Restored diplomacy as a first resort. Supported & helped pass some of the most important social legislation since the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act. Oversaw a complete shift in national and local thinking and acceptance of gay marriage and gays in the military. Pushed progressive causes despite vehement Congressional opposition (even in his first two years of his first term when the opposition from democrats was to his right not to his left). Less corruption in his entire Administration that perhaps in any other Administration in American history. Maintained a phenomenal demeanor while being the smartest person in the room, and the wittiest, most compassionate and sincere. Made the word progressive a positive. Introduced the ideas of free community college and reducing or eliminating student loans. Never gave up hope and change. Proved his detractors wrong, over and over and over. His positive effect on younger generations will be felt forever. And there's more to come.

I'm only scratching the surface. This is just off the top of my head. Just adding my two cents to sheshe2's awesome thread.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
84. He won't be more widely appreciated until
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 02:22 AM
Apr 2015

after leaving office. Some of his loudest detractors today might be singing a different tune in the future as a different president struggles to satisfy them while trying to work with Congress.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
89. I'm sure you're already on the NSA's Nice list, so maybe dial it back a little.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 05:56 AM
Apr 2015

However, TPP would like a word with you out back.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
93. I believe how he will go down in history.....
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 07:50 AM
Apr 2015

will be directly related to who is elected next. If the next president is a republican, I believe Obama will be seen as many of the past presidents are seen. If it is a democrat, he could go down as great. Really does depend on a lot of factors. I talk to very few people today who don't have a positive view of Nixon. One of the most conservative people I know claims that Carter was the last honest man to be president. So many variables. Most are simply thought of as someone who held office with positive and negative attributes.

Cha

(296,849 posts)
127. And, the President is Fighting for the most Progressive Trade Deal in history.. I don't care what
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 08:16 PM
Apr 2015

Elizabeth Warren has to say about it.

Cha

(296,849 posts)
134. UR Welcome.. I should have posted the link.. "After All This Has He Earned Nothing" and more..
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 08:44 PM
Apr 2015
The criticism from supposed “allies” like Elizabeth Warren, Allan Grayson, and the labor movement has increased in vitriol and volume.

“Show us the bill!”

“Why is it secret!?”

“This is NAFTA 2!!”

Everyone agrees that no one has seen anything of the deal aside from the summary. And, in perusing the summary, I don’t see anything which approaches an excuse for the Gotterdammerung levels of hysteria.

“It’s being negotiated in secret! It must be bad!”

Name me one treaty which has been negotiated live on C-SPAN.

“NAFTA was awful, so all trade pacts are awful!”

This is a very parochial view. Without growing trade, the economy won’t grow. And NAFTA provides lessons in how not to forge a trade pact, which Pres. Obama is following.

“There are no wage/labor/environmental protections!”

That’s just false. The summary shows this. You can only believe this if you, without evidence, assume the summary is false propaganda.

And that last point leads into the meat of the essay.

“Obama must be lying. He’s sold us out. He’s the corporatist we always knew he was.”

Pres. Obama has operated under a handicap for the 6 and a half years of his presidency.

No, I’m not talking about him being the nation’s first African-American president. There is that. But I’ve come to realize that’s not his largest handicap.

No, I’m referring to the almost messianic hopes pinned on his presidency.

Yes, his campaign and governing themes have been “hope” and “change”. But I defy anyone to point to me where he says “I am the hope,” or “I am the change.”

People heard the words “hope” and “change” and zoned out after that, without listening to the full message. “You are the hope.” “You are the change.”

Nothing is easy. Pres. Obama didn’t promise a path laid with primroses. He emphasized that nothing changes without struggle, without sweat. But Americans, being Americans, pinned all their hopes on a magical being. And when life, being what it is, turned out to be much messier than they had envisioned, they turned on a dime and blamed Pres. Obama.

“He betrayed us! There’s no change, no hope!”

"hattip:http://theobamadiary.com/2015/04/24/after-all-this-has-he-earned-nothing/

she

sheshe2

(83,654 posts)
135. When you posted this....
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 08:48 PM
Apr 2015

I had already been working on an Appreciation thread based on LL's Op. I am so sick of the crap here tonight.

This was awesome Cha!

still_one

(92,061 posts)
132. Assuming this is not sarcasm, I agree with you. Does that me I agree with
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 08:38 PM
Apr 2015

everything he does? Of course not

NaturalHigh

(12,778 posts)
136. Nothing like a little image polishing on a Friday night.
Fri Apr 24, 2015, 08:52 PM
Apr 2015

"Look in my eyes, what do you see?
The cult of personality..."

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
144. He will be remembered as average at best
Sun Apr 26, 2015, 02:52 PM
Apr 2015

And depending upon how far future right-wing administrations take his policies (prosecuting whistleblowers, killing Americans with drones), possibly the man who opened Pandora's box.

I fear more for our future now than when Bush left office. At least then the left was energized to change things, ie hope and change. Now we've been decimated with the realization that these issues can't be changed by voting.

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