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ashling

(25,771 posts)
Mon May 7, 2012, 04:10 PM May 2012

No Accountability for Torture - New York Review of Books

more at http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2012/may/07/john-yoo-jose-padilla-torture-lawsuit/

Sometimes I think being American means never having to say you’re sorry. On Wednesday, May 2, the US Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, a federal appeals court in San Francisco, unanimously dismissed a lawsuit against former Justice Department lawyer John Yoo by José Padilla, the US citizen picked up at O’Hare Airport and held in military custody as an “enemy combatant” for three and a half years, during which he says he was subject to physical and psychological abuse.

As an official in the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel from 2001 to 2003, Yoo wrote multiple memos designed to deny “enemy combatants” legal protections that might get in the way of our holding them incommunicado, depriving them of sleep, slamming them into walls, forcing them into painful stress positions, and waterboarding them. Padilla alleged that Yoo’s memos provided the basis for his years in detention, of which twenty-one months were in incommunicado isolation, and authorized his captors to subject him to abuse. As a result, he claims, he was threatened with death and serious physical abuse; shackled in painful stress positions for hours at a time; administered psychotropic drugs; denied medical care; and exposed to extreme temperatures.

The court dismissed the case before the truth of these allegations could be tested. It reasoned that even if Padilla’s allegations were true, it was not “clearly established” that his treatment violated the Constitution, and therefore the suit must be dismissed. John Yoo could not even be sued for the nominal damages of one dollar that Padilla and his mother sought as a way of emphasizing that their desire was for vindication of their rights, not remuneration.

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No Accountability for Torture - New York Review of Books (Original Post) ashling May 2012 OP
I guess the words cruel and unusual have no "clearly established" meanings..... Bandit May 2012 #1
If this was my case gratuitous May 2012 #2

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
1. I guess the words cruel and unusual have no "clearly established" meanings.....
Mon May 7, 2012, 04:17 PM
May 2012

I guess torture in today's USA is sort of like obscenity. Can't really tell you what it is but know it if I see it....

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
2. If this was my case
Mon May 7, 2012, 04:39 PM
May 2012

I'd almost be inclined to take this to the Supremes, to see what sort of legal pretzels the so-called Justices would contort themselves into to excuse crimes against humanity. As long as so many people feel so very good about the results we're getting right now (Justice!), who cares what a bunch of quaint old documents say?

It took a hell of a long time for the Supreme Court to get around to deciding that the tactics of the Red Scare were unconstitutional. By that time, the Scare had served its purpose, and subversive ideas like "share and share alike" were cut out of our national discourse and popular entertainments. Extremism in defense of extremist policies has never been recognized as a vice in the United States.

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