I am pro comprehensive sex edication. I beleive it empowers everyone and prevents unwanted pregnancy

[arely staircase]

All unwanted pregnancies should be rare whether the woman in question choses to carry it to term. And that is her choice and nobody else's.

[PeaceNikki]

1. Again, are you claiming that BC is 100% effective?

[arely staircase]

8. No. of course not. you are confused nt

[Nye Bevan]

10. The OP said that unwanted pregnancies should be "rare", not "non-existent".

Surely that implies a less than 100% success rate for birth control?

[arely staircase]

14. she doesn't do inferencing nt

[Joanie Baloney]

2. I believe in spellcheck n/t

[arely staircase]

3. and I thank Jesus for selfless humanitarians

Like yourself. Welcome to du.

[Joanie Baloney]

4. I've been here longer than you

And I don't know what spellcheck comments have to do with humanitarianism, but fine. Your message is detoured by your laziness.

[PowerToThePeople]

9. almost 3 times as long.

[arely staircase]

11. and proud we all are of you nt

[trumad]

68. Ha---Boom goes the Dynamite

Sweet takedown Joanie.

[arely staircase]

69. what would rush think? nt

[Jackpine Radical]

5. You are now hereby dubbed, now and forever on DU--

Spellchick.

[Joanie Baloney]

6. Thank you!

I am honored.

[PeaceNikki]

7. Me, too!! But since it and BC are not and will never be 100% effective, I'm also pro-abortion.

[arely staircase]

12. what other preventable medical proceedures are you "pro" ? nt

[PeaceNikki]

13. All of them, I suppose. Medical decisions are between patient and doctor.

[PowerToThePeople]

15. every medical procedure is preventable.

Just do not go to the doctor.

[Novara]

17. The need for abortion isn't "preventable"

....by the availability and use of birth control. Wake up - this is not a perfect world where everyone uses perfect birth control perfectly 100% of the time and there is a zero failure rate. This is not a perfect world where women are not raped. This is not a perfect world where there is no incest, no coerced sex in relationships, no drunken couplings, ho casual hookups, etc. Wake up. Your ideal world where abortion is "preventable" doesn't exist.

It is enshrined in law. It is a legal and safe procedure. Those who wish it away aren't living in reality.

[beam me up scottie]

36. ^^^THIS^^^

Saying it's "preventable" is victim blaming, pure and simple.

[arely staircase]

64. unwanted pregnancies should be reduced through education

which means comprehensive knowledge of bc.

[Ilsa]

66. Comprehensive knowledge of bc includes its failure rates and

Limitations, such as people who are allergic to latex, can't take the Pill, and the failure rates of each form of bc.

You talk as if there would never be an unwanted pregnancy if every understood sex ed and birth control. That's completely unrealistic because bc has failure rates.

That must be the class you missed.

[bettyellen]

21. Wow, your judgey attitude toward women who need an abortion is crystal clear now.

I reject it, as well as an advice you have for those of us who have long fought for abortion rights.

[cali]

22. I believe that poster's views have more to

do with defending HRC's "rare, legal and safe" rhetoric than anything else.

[PeaceNikki]

24. Me, too.

[cali]

25. Nikki, I really want to take the opportunity

to thank you for your fantastic posts on abortion.

[PeaceNikki]

27. And thank you.

We're all political junkies here and we all have specific topics about which we are especially passionate, this is mine.

As frustrating as it can be to debate with some, it's incredibly empowering to have the discussions with people who share my passion.

So, thanks.

[beam me up scottie]

56. Well I agree with your right to choose a triple bypass

but I think it was preventable and you should be counseled about alternatives.

[onecaliberal]

63. I am for whatever medical procedures me and my doctor

Decide to be necessary. Why do people think having a vagina and uterus make one incapable of making their own fucking decisions?

[roody]

16. Cuba sets an excellent example. Thorough

and accurate sex education and full reproductive health care which of course includes abortion.

[Trillo]

18. Did you see this thread?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026525698

One of the tweets:

"The regular health teacher in trying to shut my kid up
referred to "LGBYT." And how the board decides what
we learn.

Sexual education is about more than just birth control.

[bettyellen]

19. It's meaningless without unrestricted access to both contraception and abortion.

[AwakeAtLast]

29. Absolutely!

Excellent point!

[eggplant]

38. And without the means, access is meaningless. Please give to the less fortunate!

http://www.fundabortionnow.org/

New to abortion funding? It’s all here – where we are, how we got here, and how we can reverse more than three decades of discrimination against women living in poverty. Sure, there’s a lot you can learn, but the most important thing is what you already know: Women’s lives matter. That’s why we need to fund abortion. It’s why we need to overturn the Hyde Amendment and every other obstacle that stands between a woman and the abortion she needs. It’s why we need you.

[hifiguy]

46. Blammo.

We have a winner.

[cali]

20. abortion has never been rare. It's unlikely ever to be rare

legal or not.

Abortion services need to be broadly available and have ease of access.

[arely staircase]

23. preventing unwanted pregnancies is so important

It is why we need comprehensive sex education in our schools. It will reduce the number of abortions simply because an invasive medical procedure will have been rendered less necessary.

[cali]

26. abortion availability is equally important and even more urgent

because that right has all but vanished for millions. Btw, a large percentage of abortions are not surgical.

[arely staircase]

54. of course it should be

I live in Texas where it under assault big time. This is also abstinence education country. Bad mix. Lots of unwanted pregnancies with no abortion option very sad.

[cali]

61. no disagreement with you there

I live in Vermont. No abortion restrictions, good access. I hate what's going on in your state and so many others.

[AwakeAtLast]

30. How do you prevent rape?

Incest?

[PeaceNikki]

31. Or failure of contraception?

[cali]

33. or that people screw up no matter how much education they may have

And teenagers are famous for being reckless and believing they're invincible

[PeaceNikki]

34. Exactly, everyone is deserving of ALL choices for any pregnancy.

Plus - Sweden. They have phenomenal sex education AND the highest abortion rate in the region.

[arely staircase]

57. stop conflating refusal to identify as "pro abortion" as an anti choice position

just stop. Please.

[PeaceNikki]

60. Abortion: a moral & positive choice that liberates women, saves lives, & protects families

Stop acting like it's something shameful that only happens to ignorant uneducated people.

Just stop.

[arely staircase]

55. you can't mt

[Bluenorthwest]

32. This is interesting to me, because you have promoted the Pope on DU and the Pope

is not only opposed to abortion, but to all contraception including condoms and his Church teaches people condoms do not help prevent HIV transmission but actually spread HIV. They offer dishonest, pernicious, dogmatic sex education, no contraception and no disease prevention knowledge, and yet you have in fact spoken of him as a radical reformer, dismissing his aggressive anti sex ed, anti contraception, anti choice AND anti abortion teachings as somehow not as important as him saying one day on his private plane that he considers those with less from time to time, while auditing the massive wealth of his personal Bank at the Vatican....

[beam me up scottie]

35. Ah, that explains a LOT, doesn't it?

Thank you, Bluenorthwest.

I was wondering where this was coming from.

[arely staircase]

59. I am never surprised by what others find interesting

however odd.

[jberryhill]

28. I also support sexual edification

[Rex]

37. Actually is it Sex edictation, gives a whole new meaning to 'distance learning'.

They should outllaw those dam intertubes I tells ya! Dam kids and their dam sexting!

[bravenak]

39. I think full abortion access saves lives.

I think you forget they days of back alley abortions. They are back. All the education in the world wont make abortion rare. This moralizing about how rare they should be allows assholes to limit access based on their silly ass archaic rules about sexuality and morals.
I think you need to educate yourself instead of moralizing about how rare you want it to be. I don't give two shits about how rare you'd prefer it to be. I care that women have full access without your shaming them on how rare it needs to be. Moralizing prigs are annoying. Moralizing and shit leads to coathangars and knitting needle abortions on kitchen tables. Shit.

[PeaceNikki]

40. This

Thank you.

[bravenak]

41. No, Thank You.

You are awesome.

[PeaceNikki]

43. As are you.

Vaginal ultrasound, heh

[bravenak]

44. Thank you.

[beam me up scottie]

42. "All the education in the world wont make abortion rare."

Amen, bravenak.



Moralizing prigs moralize from a place of privilege.

[bravenak]

45. Yep. Place of Privilege.

That shit is getting tired as hell.

[hifiguy]

47. That history seems to be long forgotten by far too many.

Outstanding point!

[bravenak]

48. It's shocking to even read this stuff.

Maybe this part of the op's 'education' was lacking in the details of the reality of abortion prohibition.

[smokey nj]

49. Well said, bravenak!!

[bravenak]

50. .

[cyberswede]

51. Excellent post.

[bravenak]

52. Thanks.

I guess the op didn't like it tho.

[cali]

53. bravo, bravenak

Has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?

[bravenak]

58. Yes it does.

[myrna minx]

67. I love your posts! Thank you.

[gwheezie]

62. I would prefer to avoid a pregnancy

But I'm thankful abortion was easy and affordable when I wanted one. I became sexually active when birth control pills required your husbands permission and abortion was illegal. I support birth control and abortion available for all women who want it for any reason and that it be safe and affordable.
My grandmother had an abortion in the 1930's it almost killed her.

[arely staircase]

65. i agree with every bit of that nt