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cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
Mon May 7, 2012, 06:53 PM May 2012

The NSA is building a massive data center in Utah to read every email you'll ever send.

Many of us are aware that little of what we say on social networks is really private. But you'd think your emails would be safe from prying eyes — especially those of your government. Not so, once the government completes work on a top-secret Utah data center reportedly built to spy on civilian communications.

The $2 billion facility, slated to be complete by September 2013, is allegedly designed to be able to filter through yottabytes (10^24 bytes) of data. Put into perspective, that's greater than the estimated total of all human knowledge since the dawn of mankind. If leaked information about the complex is correct, nothing will be safe from the facility's reach, from cell phone communications to emails to what you just bought with your credit card. And encryption won't protect you — one of the facility's priorities is breaking even the most complex of codes.

The good news (if there is any) is that the sheer volume of internet traffic and emails sent in a single day is far too much to be read by human eyes. Instead, the government will likely need to rely on complicated algorithms to assess each transmission and decide if they represent a security threat. So you're probably out of the government's earshot here... as long as you watch what you say.

more ways at the link:

The FBI maintains detailed files on numerous public, semi-public, and private figures.

Homeland Security is reading your tweets and Facebook status messages.

Your ISP may soon be required to keep files on what sites you visit.

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/technology-blog/4-high-tech-ways-federal-government-spying-private-153556125.html

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The NSA is building a massive data center in Utah to read every email you'll ever send. (Original Post) cynatnite May 2012 OP
sick! fascisthunter May 2012 #1
And all the emails you've sent in the past will receive a complementary Mormon baptism. tanyev May 2012 #2
BWAHAHAHAHA Generic Other May 2012 #8
!!! LadyHawkAZ May 2012 #16
What happens if we start listing fake ancestors? aquart May 2012 #46
As long as they're baptized, it doesn't matter. n/t cynatnite May 2012 #52
If your message is really important you just send a raven. jp11 May 2012 #3
Dark wings dark words. white_wolf May 2012 #30
settle down. sensible woodchucks know if ya haven't done anything wrong, ya got nothing to worry KG May 2012 #4
When I told a woodchuck co-worker about this, IDemo May 2012 #13
Attention conservatives: this is your big fucking government!!!! Initech May 2012 #5
Can they crack word substitution? Auggie May 2012 #6
They just use a simple grammar checker fer that... don't ya know Agony May 2012 #10
Well, you'd have to change "North Tower" too ... Auggie May 2012 #48
Why are we letting our government do this shit to us? whatchamacallit May 2012 #7
It is not "our" government anymore and hasn't been for some time. nt PufPuf23 May 2012 #21
Good point whatchamacallit May 2012 #24
No democratic republic can long endure without an informed citizenry. Selatius May 2012 #29
They gonna do spellcheck and correct our grammar too? Generic Other May 2012 #9
Time to buy some carrier pigeons Autumn May 2012 #11
massive DURec KG May 2012 #12
This image will be on a plaque outside the entrance: IDemo May 2012 #14
That's not the face that's taking away our rights NOW... FiveGoodMen May 2012 #20
True, maybe just the words since that's been the sentiment for a decade.. IDemo May 2012 #22
I for one welcome our new NSA overlords! Rex May 2012 #15
I would like to read more about this. NCTraveler May 2012 #17
I don't recall any citizenship questions when I signed up for my email account. bluedigger May 2012 #31
Why would there be a citizenship question on your email account. nt. NCTraveler May 2012 #35
So the government would know to stay out of it? bluedigger May 2012 #36
Really? NCTraveler May 2012 #38
You said you were okay with it if it was for non-citizens. bluedigger May 2012 #43
You can read much more about this at this link bupkus May 2012 #37
Thank you. nt. NCTraveler May 2012 #40
You're welcome. Enjoy the very frightening article. nt bupkus May 2012 #42
But computer algorithms couldn't POSSIBLY make a mistake kenny blankenship May 2012 #18
The good news... progressoid May 2012 #19
Everyone should install PGP or GPG, or at least learn Navajo slackmaster May 2012 #23
what if a file was encrypted twice. KCS72000 May 2012 #63
You may be right. I don't grok cryptology. slackmaster May 2012 #64
Read ALL of them? Good luck with that! Odin2005 May 2012 #25
Hey, I was told that the US should become more like Cuba. joshcryer May 2012 #26
I'll have to make mine ultra-ultra boring then Turbineguy May 2012 #27
They're spying on us to protect our freedoms. Kinda like screwing for chastity. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2012 #28
I actually don't send out so many emails usrname May 2012 #32
Good! Let 'em have all the spam! Better yet... longship May 2012 #33
Interesting davidthegnome May 2012 #34
Jam their system. Make sure you have the "bad words" in every email you send. Zalatix May 2012 #39
If this is a federal initiative. NCTraveler May 2012 #41
Good, they can hire a biliion monkeys to read them all too. bemildred May 2012 #44
Loyalty Quotient and Terror Quotient will be assigned to each citizen/ resident by computer. kenny blankenship May 2012 #58
Bring it. nt bemildred May 2012 #60
I pity the fool that has to read mine... BiggJawn May 2012 #45
This is what happens when we keep pretending everything is okay woo me with science May 2012 #47
Secrecy is a funny business. Robb May 2012 #49
STELLAR WIND: NSA program spied on "hundreds of millions" of Americans, says Thomas Drake jakeXT May 2012 #50
IMO Mr Dixon May 2012 #51
You're right about that. EFerrari May 2012 #55
Didn't we use to have something called the Fourth Amendment? Comrade Grumpy May 2012 #53
IMO Mr Dixon May 2012 #54
Top-secret, eh? GeorgeGist May 2012 #56
It is no longer necessary to ask whether fascism is coming. nt BlueIris May 2012 #57
Obviously the solution is to counter LiberalEsto May 2012 #59
Didn't the Xfiles have a season revolve around data collecting? sarcasmo May 2012 #61
One way to mess them up DFW May 2012 #62
They can read mine if they want, but that's got to be the worst job in the world bhikkhu May 2012 #65

KG

(28,749 posts)
4. settle down. sensible woodchucks know if ya haven't done anything wrong, ya got nothing to worry
Mon May 7, 2012, 07:06 PM
May 2012

about.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
13. When I told a woodchuck co-worker about this,
Reply to KG (Reply #4)
Mon May 7, 2012, 07:58 PM
May 2012

he rolled his eyes and went immediately to Snopes.

Initech

(100,013 posts)
5. Attention conservatives: this is your big fucking government!!!!
Mon May 7, 2012, 07:09 PM
May 2012

You really want to trim our deficits? Why don't we eliminate like 2/3 of the money we spend on defense every year - it's more like an extra 2 or three times what the rest of the world spends!! This is completely absurd - almost as much as those damn pat downs we have to endure at the airport.

Agony

(2,605 posts)
10. They just use a simple grammar checker fer that... don't ya know
Mon May 7, 2012, 07:54 PM
May 2012

I mean... "set the cupcake under the north tower"? come on! why would a normal patriot say that?

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
7. Why are we letting our government do this shit to us?
Mon May 7, 2012, 07:49 PM
May 2012

Are we really just a nation of stupid assholes, who will let the government do whatever the fuck they want as long it's framed as "protection from terror"?

Selatius

(20,441 posts)
29. No democratic republic can long endure without an informed citizenry.
Mon May 7, 2012, 09:13 PM
May 2012

An ignorant populace is as much an agent of tyranny as any charismatic type A personality with sights set on war, conquest, and control of everybody.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
17. I would like to read more about this.
Mon May 7, 2012, 08:04 PM
May 2012

If this is being set up to collect information on US citizens I have a real problem with it. It should not be constitutional. If if it is for non US citizens I have no problem with it.

bluedigger

(17,085 posts)
31. I don't recall any citizenship questions when I signed up for my email account.
Mon May 7, 2012, 09:17 PM
May 2012

First pet's name? Check.

bluedigger

(17,085 posts)
43. You said you were okay with it if it was for non-citizens.
Mon May 7, 2012, 10:05 PM
May 2012

How do you think the government can tell the difference?

 

bupkus

(1,981 posts)
37. You can read much more about this at this link
Mon May 7, 2012, 09:46 PM
May 2012

To this Wired News article from the Ides of March 2012:

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/1
The NSA Is Building the Country’s Biggest Spy Center (Watch What You Say)

The NSA has become the largest, most covert, and potentially most intrusive intelligence agency ever.
Under construction by contractors with top-secret clearances, the blandly named Utah Data Center is being built for the National Security Agency. A project of immense secrecy, it is the final piece in a complex puzzle assembled over the past decade. Its purpose: to intercept, decipher, analyze, and store vast swaths of the world’s communications as they zap down from satellites and zip through the underground and undersea cables of international, foreign, and domestic networks. The heavily fortified $2 billion center should be up and running in September 2013. Flowing through its servers and routers and stored in near-bottomless databases will be all forms of communication, including the complete contents of private emails, cell phone calls, and Google searches, as well as all sorts of personal data trails—parking receipts, travel itineraries, bookstore purchases, and other digital “pocket litter.” It is, in some measure, the realization of the “total information awareness” program created during the first term of the Bush administration—an effort that was killed by Congress in 2003 after it caused an outcry over its potential for invading Americans’ privacy.

But “this is more than just a data center,” says one senior intelligence official who until recently was involved with the program. The mammoth Bluffdale center will have another important and far more secret role that until now has gone unrevealed. It is also critical, he says, for breaking codes. And code-breaking is crucial, because much of the data that the center will handle—financial information, stock transactions, business deals, foreign military and diplomatic secrets, legal documents, confidential personal communications—will be heavily encrypted. According to another top official also involved with the program, the NSA made an enormous breakthrough several years ago in its ability to cryptanalyze, or break, unfathomably complex encryption systems employed by not only governments around the world but also many average computer users in the US. The upshot, according to this official: “Everybody’s a target; everybody with communication is a target.”

For the NSA, overflowing with tens of billions of dollars in post-9/11 budget awards, the cryptanalysis breakthrough came at a time of explosive growth, in size as well as in power. Established as an arm of the Department of Defense following Pearl Harbor, with the primary purpose of preventing another surprise assault, the NSA suffered a series of humiliations in the post-Cold War years. Caught offguard by an escalating series of terrorist attacks—the first World Trade Center bombing, the blowing up of US embassies in East Africa, the attack on the USS Cole in Yemen, and finally the devastation of 9/11—some began questioning the agency’s very reason for being. In response, the NSA has quietly been reborn. And while there is little indication that its actual effectiveness has improved—after all, despite numerous pieces of evidence and intelligence-gathering opportunities, it missed the near-disastrous attempted attacks by the underwear bomber on a flight to Detroit in 2009 and by the car bomber in Times Square in 2010—there is no doubt that it has transformed itself into the largest, most covert, and potentially most intrusive intelligence agency ever created.


kenny blankenship

(15,689 posts)
18. But computer algorithms couldn't POSSIBLY make a mistake
Mon May 7, 2012, 08:07 PM
May 2012

and by that simple erroneous assumption, or faulty piece of data, or unwarranted correlation, cause the government to mistakenly regard ordinary citizens as criminal or terror suspects. It could never happen that the government might populate a secret enemies list on which thousands perhaps tens of thousands of perfectly innocent people might be trapped, not knowing their "pre-suspect" status and unaware of how suspicions and ratings passed around from marketing corporation to alaphabet government security agency to credit bureau dogs their life and misshapes their destiny. People would never be scooped off the streets by unmarked vans belonging to obscure agencies and indefinitely detained in undisclosed locations, under unknown charges, fake names, and on the basis of unseen, unchallengeable evidence.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/07/anne-lenhart-cvs-arrested_n_1496927.html

When Ann Lenhart hobbled into her Dallas-area CVS pharmacy on crutches, her leg was engulfed in a large brace and she had a permanent IV line in her arm.

She was looking to fill a prescription for Norco, a powerful narcotic she'd been prescribed the previous month after shattering her kneecap while doing volunteer work in Haiti. (h/t The Consumerist)

Lenhart spent a night in the Dallas County jail while the police tried to contact her doctor, according to a local television station in Dallas Fort Worth, Texas. The following day she was released on bond and was charged with obtaining a controlled substance by fraud, CBS 11 News reported.

The police eventually dropped the charges after speaking with Lenhart's doctor, who confirmed the legitimacy of the prescription but said he never received a call from CVS. A CVS representative told CBS that the company is "investigating how this unfortunate incident occurred and we are working to resolve the matter with Ms. Lenhart."

progressoid

(49,916 posts)
19. The good news...
Mon May 7, 2012, 08:19 PM
May 2012
The good news (if there is any) is that the sheer volume of internet traffic and emails sent in a single day is far too much to be read by human eyes. Instead, the government will likely need to rely on complicated algorithms to assess each transmission and decide if they represent a security threat. So you're probably out of the government's earshot here... as long as you watch what you say.


Yeah, that is good news.


 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
23. Everyone should install PGP or GPG, or at least learn Navajo
Mon May 7, 2012, 08:27 PM
May 2012

Bright morning turtle running, working under blooming mesquite tree.

KCS72000

(312 posts)
63. what if a file was encrypted twice.
Tue May 8, 2012, 07:08 PM
May 2012

encrypt a file with pgp v 1.0 and the resulting scramble was encrypted with another different algorithm, how could it possibly be decrypted, since the first decryption would not yield any recognizable words.

just a thought.

 

usrname

(398 posts)
32. I actually don't send out so many emails
Mon May 7, 2012, 09:18 PM
May 2012

and I hardly receive that many from people of interest. If NSA can kindly go through all the incoming email and get rid of the spammy kind, I would be so grateful.

longship

(40,416 posts)
33. Good! Let 'em have all the spam! Better yet...
Mon May 7, 2012, 09:30 PM
May 2012

Let's send all our SPAM to the NSA. Maybe they'll protect us from the insidious Nigerian scam...

My friend, I crave your indulgence. My brother won the Nigerian Lottery for a million dollars...


That, I would go for.

davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
34. Interesting
Mon May 7, 2012, 09:36 PM
May 2012

As someone with nothing to hide, I don't really care what they read of my personal information or whether they listen in on my phone conversations. That is - I don't care if the intent really is to protect this Country. It is not what information is being viewed that concerns me as much as WHO is viewing it. Can we really count on every agent working in the facility, with access to this information... to use it for legal and honest purposes? Sure, about as much as we can count on every cop and fed to be absolutely honest, law abiding and without personal, private agenda.

This is damned dangerous. I'm not sure I like this brave new world we're living in...

 

Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
39. Jam their system. Make sure you have the "bad words" in every email you send.
Mon May 7, 2012, 09:47 PM
May 2012

If a million Americans do this it will melt their entire system down.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
41. If this is a federal initiative.
Mon May 7, 2012, 09:54 PM
May 2012

How is it going forward under President Obama. He is the commander and chief.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
47. This is what happens when we keep pretending everything is okay
Mon May 7, 2012, 10:34 PM
May 2012

and that the betrayals are coming only from the OTHER party.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
49. Secrecy is a funny business.
Mon May 7, 2012, 10:52 PM
May 2012

If this could be done, at least in the manner described. wouldn't you expect it to have been done already?

Were I to be in the business of looking for terrorism in emails, I'd be sure to let everyone know how I was going to do it. Or at least how I'd prefer they think I intended to do it.

Funny business.

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
50. STELLAR WIND: NSA program spied on "hundreds of millions" of Americans, says Thomas Drake
Tue May 8, 2012, 11:59 AM
May 2012

"In effect, the United States of America was turned into the equivalent of a foreign nation for the purpose of dragnet electronic surveillance, on a very wide scale."

video link
http://www.privacysos.org/node/632

Mr Dixon

(1,185 posts)
51. IMO
Tue May 8, 2012, 12:08 PM
May 2012
It is almost certainly already complete and whatever is being reported is a day late and a dollar short to include the systems capabilities. Classic bait and switch, under report system capabilities and misrepresent it’s completion date.

EFerrari

(163,986 posts)
55. You're right about that.
Tue May 8, 2012, 01:21 PM
May 2012

Total Information Awareness turns out to have been a pretend start up of what they were already doing. Amy Goodman had an hourlong presentation on this last week, iirc.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
53. Didn't we use to have something called the Fourth Amendment?
Tue May 8, 2012, 12:46 PM
May 2012

Remember this: "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

So how are they seizing my emails without a warrant or probable cause?

Mr Dixon

(1,185 posts)
54. IMO
Tue May 8, 2012, 01:16 PM
May 2012
Didn’t that last president say the constitution was just a piece of paper? Come on do you really think you can govern a country in 2012 with a document from 1789? We Might as well start advertising Pong and the latest technology. All we can do is hope for the best and prepare for the worst.
 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
59. Obviously the solution is to counter
Tue May 8, 2012, 06:28 PM
May 2012

by sending out zillions of emails every day. In other words, smother them in drivel.

sarcasmo

(23,968 posts)
61. Didn't the Xfiles have a season revolve around data collecting?
Tue May 8, 2012, 06:37 PM
May 2012

I think the one they did started from when you were born.

DFW

(54,253 posts)
62. One way to mess them up
Tue May 8, 2012, 06:43 PM
May 2012

Start or end each FB message or email with Allah or some such word. It will get picked up. Then discuss Aunt Murgatroid's recipe for cream of asparagus soup, and pity the poor National "Security" case officer who is trying to figure out what the words "cream" and "asparagus" REALLY mean.

bhikkhu

(10,711 posts)
65. They can read mine if they want, but that's got to be the worst job in the world
Tue May 8, 2012, 10:01 PM
May 2012

imagine the boredom, imagine the boatload of daily trivial pointlessness, imagine the never-ending influx of useless stuff to go through. Pity the bastards...

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